LordReed:




You need to put that thought out of your head, atheism is not a religion.

Its unfortunate but that is the nature of the universe, the universe don't care about an insignificant population of enlightened ape creatures. If you and I do not care about justice, nobody will, death is final with no god or devil meting out rewards or punishments. It may not be a pleasing prospect but there it is, that is reality.




LoL, if you think nature is perfect then you probably have never been in a raw jungle, where the slightest mistake would get you killed. If man had not tamed nature you think your life expectancy would be high? The vast majority of this universe is hostile to life so you really need to reevaluate what you mean by nature being perfect.

PapiFlin:




because it was there to be tamed..we're superior beings....any harm done (I mean venomous) has it's antidote right there in the same thick raw jungle

and I beg to differ...It makes zero sense to me that they go scot free..There must be a balance....even karma here on earth is as effective af

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think religious people are stupid. I just think they have not really examined the issue.

I am not atheist. In fact I attended Salvation Ministries today. I am just not religious and to answer your question; I believe there is something greater.
To expand:
I believe in a Timeless, Infinitely Intelligent First Cause. I think religions in their many guises are the products of man's feeble attempts to explain this Cause. Reminds me of the story of the 7 blind men trying to describe an elephant.

PapiFlin:




because it was there to be tamed..we're superior beings....any harm done (I mean venomous) has it's antidote right there in the same thick raw jungle

and I beg to differ...It makes zero sense to me that they go scot free..There must be a balance....even karma here on earth is as effective af

PapiFlin:



My first question I usually ask is this, would you clearly say all the terrible men who walked on the surface of the earth(the stalins, hitlers, amins, pol pots e.t.c. )would die and be answerable to NO ONE for the havoc they wrecked on mankind...come on son....look what you people mostly have issues is the people who are religious heads and the (sometimes) nonsense they shove down the throat of it's followers. ...it's just preying on man's stupidity for their selfish gains

PapiFlin:




because it was there to be tamed..we're superior beings....any harm done (I mean venomous) has it's antidote right there in the same thick raw jungle

and I beg to differ...It makes zero sense to me that they go scot free..There must be a balance....even karma here on earth is as effective af

darkchild64:

If Karma were to exist then it would only be fair that you also get punished,perhaps by reincarnating as a cockroach as the Hindus believe,I'm surprised that Christians keep using the word karma without knowing where it really came from

darkchild64:

I've always wanted to say this,thanks to ur post I can
I am an atheist which means I don't believe in "God", but,I like to maintain an open mind when it comes to explaining how the universe came into being,I feel there is a possibility that the universe has a creator,what you might describe as a first cause,but even if that is really the case,it is not enough to conclude that this first cause or creator,whatever you call it is what we know today as "God", I would like to stop here,maybe someday I would create a thread on this

Ranchhoddas:
For me the existence of a First Cause is beyond the scope of possibility. It is a necessity.

I cannot wrap my head around the spontaneity averred by hardcore disbelievers.

The patterns observable in the Universe (symmetry, fractals, spirals etc.) to me point to an order that no explanation for randomness I've read so far can convince me otherwise.
I think we are not just equipped enough to grasp the mind of this First Cause at the stage of our evolution and so we invent myths and fables to fill in the gaps.

I also like to think that this Infinite mind has a sense of humour, that all this is funny to Him. That he is just letting us grope in the dark while He watches on in cosmic amusement.

God: The Ultimate Prankster.

darkchild64:

Well I still maintain that it is a mere possibility for me,now speaking of what the first cause could be,I think it is very wrong to assume that you know what it really is in terms of its nature,I see u already using the article "he", it is important that we understand that even if a first cause exists or existed,it could be something we can not describe or even understand,that is why I totally object to the opinion that a " God" created the universe

CAPSLOCKED:


MOST CHRISTIANS IN THIS COUNTRY REASON ON THE SAME LEVEL WITH COCKROACHES.

Ranchhoddas:
For me the existence of a First Cause is beyond the scope of possibility. It is a necessity.

I cannot wrap my head around the spontaneity averred by hardcore disbelievers.

The patterns observable in the Universe (symmetry, fractals, spirals etc.) to me point to an order that no explanation for randomness I've read so far can convince me otherwise.
I think we are not just equipped enough to grasp the mind of this First Cause at the stage of our evolution and so we invent myths and fables to fill in the gaps.

I also like to think that this Infinite mind has a sense of humour, that all this is funny to Him. That he is just letting us grope in the dark while He watches on in cosmic amusement.

God: The Ultimate Prankster.

PapiFlin:
the real deal is las las we all goon die one day....then person go know if GOD dey or not....God bless.

PapiFlin:
the real deal is las las we all goon die one day....then person go know if GOD dey or not....God bless.

computergeek:
As a Christian, I have no wish to drag 'learnedness’ with atheists. It's okay if you choose to see me as an uneducated, brain-washed fool because I believe there is a God who sees all and has His own unknown reasons as to why He allows what happens to us to happen. Bad things I believe bruise His heart, because the Bible did say He was hurt when His Son suffered in pain. And yes, I believe in the Bible, as self-contradictory as it may be, I choose to believe.

I am a Catholic. I believe in worshipping God and in honoring the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus, who is God. She pleaded with Jesus on behalf of the bride in Cana, and He did an incredible miracle, even though it was not yet His time, but anything for His sweet Mother. I believe in the efficacy of Her intercession.

I believe in ghosts, because if I said ghosts aren't real, then that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, who is otherwise called Holy Ghost.

I believe there are three persons in one God. Though I don't understand it, I choose to believe.

Now, back to the main issue. An atheist will ask why God allows all those terrible things to happen to us. A Christian would say, to test our faith. An atheist would ask, why test your faith when your squashed legs or burnt skin won't come back to the way they were when you pass the test? A Christian would say, God has His ways and reasons.

My take is that, truly, as a human, I often wonder why these things have to happen. But I've learned, no, I've chosen rather, to never question God. It's a decision I made, deep in my heart, to accept Him as my Supreme Being, as my Champion, attribute things I cannot explain or understand to Him, because it's easier that way. I believe that God has His own way of choosing people who go to Heaven, no human on earth can predict.

I don't believe in all the complexities they attach to modern-day Christianity, I just believe in Jesus's law: Love. Love God with all your might, heart and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. When you love God, you keep His commandments, when you love your neighbor, you share with them and give when they need.

Atheism and Christianity are personal choices. They come from your heart and soul. You choose one or the other. Nobody should be asked to explain this or that or why they choose to believe or not believe.

I believe in God, I believe in the mystery of the Trinity, I believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary, I believe in Purgatory, but most of all, I believe in keeping a clear conscience, and in love.

Bring the arguments on. I'm ready. Ishilove, get in here and drop your take.



Signed: ComputerGeek

LordReed:
My nonbelief does not make me feel more intelligent, it just made me exposed to more information. A person with more information always seems more superior to the one with less.

frank317:


Lol...ain't u amazed when u see human act like they are being controlled with a remote?

A Muslim will strap bomb and kill others because of belief.
A christian married woman will allow a pastor sleep with her because of belief.
A christian will give his money to "God' because of believe while people around him suffer
A christian will bow to image of " Mary" because of belief
A pagan will bow to a horrible looking sculpture because of belief.
A Christian will allow a man step on him because of belief...

They are not really stupid... What they believe in is stupid.

You are not duty bound as christian to allow a man step on u, but u are duty bound to bow to an unknown image called Mary. U are duty bound yo believe that one being u have never seen before is ur father and creator and he has created a mansion for u after u die...

Remind me again.. What's the difference between u and people who allow their pastor step on them. Don't worry, I will tell u.... Wait for it..,.......,.......they allow their pastor step on their body, u allow ur reverend father step on ur brain.

shadeyinka:

I believe you are actually exposed to less information.

Before you object, let me prove it to you.

You believe that only the Physical Existence exist
BUT
Christians believe that BOTH Physical and Spiritual Existence exist.

For you you understand this, I'll use the computer as an allegory

Its like Atheists believe that the Computer is only a Physical Device
BUT
Christians believe that the Computer consists of both the Physical Components and the Software Components.

So who Is really exposed to less information?

The atheist is actually the one who has shut out the existence of the spiritual from the physical reality.

Thanks

LordReed:


Your analogy fails woefully because software is physical. All the 1s and 0s that get interpreted into the visuals you see onscreen are all physical signals, they don't exist in some nebulous nether world that the computer pulls out when needed.

Look for another analogy, this one sucks.

shadeyinka:

Sorry, software isn't physical
It isn't even tangible
It can't be measured.

A software isn't just magnetic or electric states in a computer ; it is logics and information.

Pls read up a little more

LordReed:


LoL! If it wasn't physical why do you need a medium to transport it? Why doesn't the computer just pick it from some nebulous realm and start operating it? My friend software is tangible, it exists as a physical thing. The information and logic you are talking about are also tangible things that exist as magnetic and/or electric states. What do you think the computer is interpreting to give you the information you view? This post as I type it becomes a tangible thing that exists in my computer and will be transported to yours when you view it.

Look for another analogy my guy, this one still sucks.

BTW Just so you don't get bogged down by how sweet you think your analogy sounds, until any sort of spiritual realm is proven to exist, your imaginations of gods, devils, spirits and souls doesn't not constitute any more information than what Harry Porter and Lord of the Rings has given us.

LordReed:


LoL! If it wasn't physical why do you need a medium to transport it? Why doesn't the computer just pick it from some nebulous realm and start operating it? My friend software is tangible, it exists as a physical thing. The information and logic you are talking about are also tangible things that exist as magnetic and/or electric states. What do you think the computer is interpreting to give you the information you view? This post as I type it becomes a tangible thing that exists in my computer and will be transported to yours when you view it.

Look for another analogy my guy, this one still sucks.

BTW Just so you don't get bogged down by how sweet you think your analogy sounds, until any sort of spiritual realm is proven to exist, your imaginations of gods, devils, spirits and souls doesn't not constitute any more information than what Harry Porter and Lord of the Rings has given us.

shadeyinka:

You never bothered to read up. If you had, you would have known that software codes are intangible. But because you are used to shutting out what you don't want you took this stance.

Use Critical Thinking and you'll unravel the mystery of the computer code.

LordReed:


Software is real and physical unlike imaginary gods and spirits.

shadeyinka:

Ok!
Let me help you out.

Is a computer software C++, Java, Perl or Fortran?
NO!
Is a computer software electrons?
NO!

1. So in a computer, can you describe how a software looks ?

LordReed:


Can you describe how air looks?

shadeyinka:

Do not change the subject.

I know what air is: air is atmospheric gas!

The colour of air depend on the colour of the molecules that make up the gas. For instance chlorine has has a yellowish-green colour. Hydrogen, Nitrogen and Oxygen are colorless.

Moving air is called wind.

Now, answer my own question!

shadeyinka:

Do not change the subject.

I know what air is: air is atmospheric gas!

The colour of air depend on the colour of the molecules that make up the gas. For instance chlorine has has a yellowish-green colour. Hydrogen, Nitrogen and Oxygen are colorless.

Moving air is called wind.

Now, answer my own question!

LordReed:


Software is encoded electronic signals a computer processes into various effects. It is always encoded unto a physical medium, it always requires physical means to propagate it. It is in fact electronic or magnetic states in a physical medium.

BTW you don't get to command me. You don't dictate what I choose to answer.

HellVictorinho:

Even the answer to that question won't change the FACT that 'The Mastermind of Masterminded Nonsense' you call an 'Intelligent Designer' is nothing but an extremely dangerously insane imaginary being!!!!!!

shadeyinka:


Point of correction: Electronic states are meaningless unless they are ordered according to some form of information.

So the question really is: is a computer code a tangible thing or an instruction/information?

Can I dissect a computer and isolate the code/information it contains?

That's what your problem is if you can only look closely. Can one dissect a human being or animal and isolate the code (soul).

What would you call a man who opens up a computer and only finds electrons and atoms and thus concludes that computer codes doesn't exist? (As said, [paraphrased] ...software codes are not the electrons or magnetic states BUT information signals).

Doesn't the soul require the physical biological being to operate?

Who is then the unreasonable?




You don't need to get angry if you can't do just a little critical thinking.

What is the physical evidence that software codes exist in a hard drive or CPU of a computer?
That's the question if you are willing to think