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The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by alBHAGDADI: 7:15am On Nov 18, 2018
All my life, I've always believed in a rapture doctrine which says before the great tribulation and before the unveiling of the Antichrist, Christians will be raptured into heaven to meet Jesus. They say Jesus will come like a thief in the night, secretly to help his believers escape the tribulation which the Antichrist will unleash.

This concept has been made popular by movies like LEFT BEHIND and some America. televangelists. Before 1800, there was no church or preacher holding such doctrine. It was started by a man named John Darby who even wrote his own Bible which lacked key verses. Today, the doctrine is held by roughly 65% of Christians. The doctrine that we will escape the tribulation is false and not Biblical.

Jesus himself spoke of when the rapture will take place. Notice how his disciples asked him to tell them what the signs of his coming will be.

Mathew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now read the further

24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In verse 9, Jesus spoke of Christians getting delievered up for persecution and are killed. That is the tribulation. But false teachers have taught that the people who will face such are unbelievers who are left behind after Christians have been raptured. Well, basically we all agree that the tribulation involves persecution. But the confusion here is who are the people to face the tribulation? Some believe it is unbelievers after Christians have been raptured, while some say it is Christians who will be persecuted by the Antichrist for failing to received the mark of the beast. Let's allow the Bible settle this confusion.

First, let us see whether Christians will be raptured before the tribulation or not.

[Mathew 24:29-31
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did you see the bold part in the passage above? Did you also see that the rapture takes place immediately after the tribulation of the end times? The events in verse 30 to 31 are the same as described by Apostle Paul in...

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

But some people have deceived many by saying that what Jesus said in Mathew 24 cannot be the rapture because he was talking to the Jews and not to Christians. Why is it not the rapture when it is the same event described by Paul? Trumpet, angels, God's people getting caught up to heaven etc.

Yes, Jesus was talking to the Jews because his disciples who asked him to tell them about the end time were still under Judaism. But if you read Mark 13 and Luke 21, you will see that it's the same thing Jesus said in Mathew 24. At the last verse of Mark 13, Jesus said what he's saying to the people whom some quarters are saying is not the church, he's saying to ALL which includes the church.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Now, we see that the tribulation occurs before the rapture, but who carries out the tribulation and what is it exactly? The tribulation is the persecution of Christians at the end time such as never was and never will be.

Mathew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Christians will be beheaded and persecuted all around the world. This persecution will be carried out by the Antichrist engineered by Satan himself.

Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)


The Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist who exhaust himself above everything called god and forces people to worship him.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Did you read the passage above? Did you see where it spoke about the coming of our Lord Jesus? Did you see in verse 3 that the day which Jesus will come will not exists until the man of sin (Antichrist) is revealed? Read verse 4 as well.

Yet some people say Christians won't face the tribulation even when the Bible says the Antichrist who will persecute during the tribulation will come first before Jesus Christ who will come and deliver Christians from his grip. Many will mistake him for Christ.

Mathew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This Antichrist will wage war against the saints.

Revelations 13:4-8

13 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As you can see above, the Antichrist exhalst himself and blasphemes God's name. Is this not the same man Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, whom he said must first come before Jesus Christ comes back?

Now as seen in verse 7 above, the Antichrist wages war against the saints and will overcome many. Why is he waging war against the saint if some people believe the saints wont be around during the tribulations? In verse 13, everyone on earth is seen worshiping the Antichrist. Those who won't worship him are those whose names are written in the book of life. This is what will anger the Antichrist and make him wage war against them with great tribulation and persecution.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

What we see so far is that people with their names in the book of life won't worship the Antichrist. But I ask, what are they doing on earth? I thought some people said they would have been raptured and escaped.

The proponent of a pre-tribulation rapture doctrine have said that the people left behind will be unbelievers who will now have to pay with their blood to get saved. They are the ones the Antichrist will persecute. This is a lie. If all Christians will be raptured before the tribulation, then those left will be unbelievers who are already tools of Satan. Do you expect someone who doesn't give a damn about Jesus to stand with Jesus when a cutlass is placed on his neck? He will gladly received the mark of the beast because he's not used to suffering for Christ whom he never believed in.

In revelations 12:17, we see that Satan will make war against those who hold the testimony of Jesus Christ. How some people believe that the people that Satan will make war against are unbelievers is what baffles me. Do unbelievers hold the testimony of Jesus? No.

Basically, what we've seen so far is that the Antichrist comes first, then follows a great tribulation which involves the persecution of Christians. It is immediately after the tribulation that Jesus Christ will appear and will redeem his people through a rapture.

Don't let anyone deceive you. Prepare yourself for that day which is fast approaching.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Trustme2(m): 7:40am On Nov 18, 2018
We are preparing

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by MrPresident1: 7:53am On Nov 18, 2018
The great tribulation has ended. It ended on the 14th of August 2017. Then we had the sun and moon darken on 21st August 2017

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by onuowu78: 8:22am On Nov 18, 2018
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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by NotBeenPaid: 8:22am On Nov 18, 2018




I just like you for no reason @alBHAGDADI wink



Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Hakeem12(m): 8:22am On Nov 18, 2018
In the beginning there was no sin and everything was good. But it came to pass that Ajègbodò ate the forbidden coco yam in Igbó Olódùmarè, and sin came into the world.

And Shakilimoon was grievously offended, for coco yam was his sacred yam. But he was not angry with his people, the Yam - eating tribes of Africa, for too long. So he sent his only son, Shakamundi, to hit his foot against the Rock of Askamandu, so that whosoever believes in him shall be saved and have early morning erections.

And it came to pass that the peoples of Asia, Europe and America refused to believe in Shakilimoon and his only son and his foot pain from his foot injury on the Rock of Askamandu. And sin multiplied among these people.

Go ye therefore, o yam - eating tribes of Africa, and spread the good message of Shakilimoon and the foot injury of his son, Shakamundi on the Rock of Askamandu, to every creature on the face of the Earth.

The Book of Shakilimoon, Chapter 1, verses 1-10.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by WinningEleven(m): 8:22am On Nov 18, 2018
MrPresident1:
The great tribulation has ended. It ended on the 14th of August 2017. Then we had the sun and moon darken on 21st August 2017
the tribulation is yet to come bro

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by ednut1(m): 8:23am On Nov 18, 2018
Indeed grin
Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Swargu: 8:23am On Nov 18, 2018
Someone said he is preparing, you think they will write it... Buhari is our great tribulation sorry to say he might just win next year and complete the 7 years before we will see the light... Yes he dies the 7th year.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by chibike69: 8:23am On Nov 18, 2018
angry

Religion is a scam

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Toks06: 8:23am On Nov 18, 2018
Whether the rapture happens before or after the great tribulation,Christians should be ready at all times because the day one dies,his rapture has happened..

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by EVILFOREST: 8:23am On Nov 18, 2018
What more TRIBULATION is worse than PMB.....??
The 2ND COMING of PMB will definitely be WORSE, and I pray Nigerians will be alive to even experience the RAPTURE of CHRISTIANS after it, in 2023

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by SarcasticGenius(m): 8:23am On Nov 18, 2018
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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by ekestic1976: 8:24am On Nov 18, 2018
Let's forget about the events of Future and face Present Realities! Rapture, Rapture, Rapture! The last time I checked, nowhere was the word Rapture mentioned or occurred in the Christian Holy Bible! It's only a creation of the American Wonder called Prosperity Christianity evoked now and again to shift the mind of the uninformed to a Sugarcandy El Dorado!

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Liveair: 8:24am On Nov 18, 2018
Nonsense! Keep waiting for your rapture as those who invented the lie continue to make astounding progress.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Ralo(m): 8:24am On Nov 18, 2018
Being a mentally enslaved religious slowpoke might just be the greatest rapture to happen to African Christians

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by kc2hansome(m): 8:25am On Nov 18, 2018
Why is it that we don't have to make declarations before commenting on christian threads
Unlike in suicides threads?

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by obonujoker(m): 8:27am On Nov 18, 2018
The great tribulation is not for Christians alone... the world over... This is however the time the christians will be tested most.... Jesus however, gave us hope that the tribulation days will be shortened, coz if it wasn't, none will be saved.. This shows the severity of the tribulation....

God help us all.....

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by joshnnanna: 8:27am On Nov 18, 2018
You need to study more.

The Church of Jesus Christ will be raptured in glory sometime soon. But those who didn't really believe our message now that we are sharing it will be forced to believe becos of the rapture.

Then they will be the ones who will face this great tribulation becos the constraining power of evil in this world (which is the church and the holy spirit) would have left by then (rapture) thereby giving Satan a field day to torment those who still identify with Jesus.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by TAYO124: 8:28am On Nov 18, 2018
What you do not know with certainty, do not say with certainty.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by dan3214e: 8:28am On Nov 18, 2018
And the Tribulations have started, most Christians don't know ,very ignorant very foolish,Carnal and complacent.
Buhari has started(jihad with Fulani herdsmen terrorists) it in a big way, Buhari is the Anti-Christ In Nigeria appointed by Satan and permitted by The Almighty GOD and being assisted by a descendant of Judas Iscariot(a man who preached the gospel, serve with Jesus, ate with Jesus, cast out demons and heal the sick in Jesus Chris name and, yet yet and yet Betray Jesus) , Yemi Osibanjo.
Immediately after Buhari re-election will usher in a more reinforced, determine,enlargr,embolden and massive destruction at a more higher scale and widespread too.
Oh LORD GOD OF HOSTS,have Mercy upon us and let this evil go away from us in Jesus Christ name, Amen.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by joshnnanna: 8:29am On Nov 18, 2018
chibike69:
angry

Religion is a scam

E go shock you.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by dan3214e: 8:29am On Nov 18, 2018
chibike69:
angry

Religion is a scam
Yes, but Discipleship of JESUS CHRIST IS REAL

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Habeyy(m): 8:31am On Nov 18, 2018
joshnnanna:
You need to study more.

The Church of Jesus Christ will be raptured in glory sometime soon. But those who didn't really believe our message now that we are sharing it will be forced to believe becos of the rapture.

Then they will be the ones who will face this great tribulation becos the constraining power of evil in this world (which is the church and the holy spirit) would have left by then (rapture) thereby giving Satan a field day to torment those who still identify with Jesus.
thank you sir
Some people just read the bible like textbook

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by ChinagoChiBoy(m): 8:31am On Nov 18, 2018
Two things are certain....
It's either your good deeds promotes you to Heaven, or your Bad deeds demotes you to Hellfire.
May God accept our good deeds and forgive our bad deeds and make us tenants of his bossom of bliss.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by DONADAMS(m): 8:32am On Nov 18, 2018
it is already happening oh..or how do we explain this hardship we are facing in this country currently?
Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by whitebeard(m): 8:32am On Nov 18, 2018
it will shock u
Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by Gariki: 8:33am On Nov 18, 2018
I’m a stonch believer of Christ and I have searched for the place Jesus said rapture in the Bible and found non so rapture was invented by people of little faith, if you don’t understand the prophecy of John in revelation ask and you will be guided.. do good love people as you want them to love you and wait for the last day
Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by alBHAGDADI: 8:33am On Nov 18, 2018
joshnnanna:
You need to study more.

The Church of Jesus Christ will be raptured in glory sometime soon. But those who didn't really believe our message now that we are sharing it will be forced to believe becos of the rapture.

Then they will be the ones who will face this great tribulation becos the constraining power of evil in this world (which is the church and the holy spirit) would have left by then (rapture) thereby giving Satan a field day to torment those who still identify with Jesus.
Do you think those whom you say will be left behind after your concept of rapture has taken place will care about Jesus? They never cared, why would they care then? They currently care about worldly things. When the Antichrist should up, they will follow him because he will offer more of what they care about.

Your concept of rapture is false. Didn't you see where Jesus said he will not come until the Antichrist has carried out the tribulation? Can you show us where it is stated that Christians will escape the tribulations ?

You can't cos it doesn't exist.

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by sotall(m): 8:35am On Nov 18, 2018
@OP


You are biblically sound. Thumbs up

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Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by oloriLFC(f): 8:36am On Nov 18, 2018
joshnnanna:
You need to study more.

The Church of Jesus Christ will be raptured in glory sometime soon. But those who didn't really believe our message now that we are sharing it will be forced to believe becos of the rapture.

Then they will be the ones who will face this great tribulation becos the constraining power of evil in this world (which is the church and the holy spirit) would have left by then (rapture) thereby giving Satan a field day to torment those who still identify with Jesus.
God bless you. Rapture first, then the great tribulation
Re: The Rapture Will Not Happen Until Christians Have Faced The Great Tribulation by alBHAGDADI: 8:37am On Nov 18, 2018
ChinagoChiBoy:
Two things are certain....
It's either your good deeds promotes you to Heaven, or your Bad deeds demotes you to Hellfire.
May God accept our good deeds and forgive our bad deeds and make us tenants of his bossom of bliss.

Deeds don't determine how you spend eternity. Believe or rejection of Jesus is what deterMines.

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