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Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 7:33pm On Nov 27, 2018
I think this is a necessary question to understand the nature of the disagreements exercised here.

Atheists: What sort of evidence would you think is sufficient enough to convince that God/Gods truly exists?

Theists: What kind of evidence or lack thereof would make you think or lean towards the idea that God/Gods probably do not exist?

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by theoriginalgood: 7:36pm On Nov 27, 2018
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by babyfaceafrica: 7:52pm On Nov 27, 2018
I believe what I believe.. no need for argument
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 8:30pm On Nov 27, 2018
babyfaceafrica:
I believe what I believe.. no need for argument

It wasn't a call to argue but to probe the basis of belief

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by festwiz(m): 10:11pm On Nov 27, 2018
Said it before though. Appears before everyone and proves whatever scriptures he was written from to be true.

Shows all 7+ billion people his creation process, Heals every sick person, resolves all conflict, removes evil, etc whilst the whole world watch him perform his voodoo or magic or science.

Answer questions on space and science. Do aliens exists? Coordinates of his home/abode.

That should be convincing enough, as long as the evidence is infallible.I dunno.

These are not questions I ask myself, 'causw they are caused by doubts and uncertainty.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by Martinez19(m): 10:18pm On Nov 27, 2018
grin grin grin I will comment later.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 10:26pm On Nov 27, 2018
festwiz:
Said it before though. Appears before everyone and proves whatever scriptures he was written from to be true.

Shows all 7+ billion people his creation process, Heals every sick person, resolves all conflict, removes evil, etc whilst the whole world watch him perform his voodoo or magic or science.

Answer questions on space and science. Do aliens exists? Coordinates of his home/abode.

That should be convincing enough, as long as the evidence is infallible.I dunno.

These are not questions I ask myself, 'causw they are caused by doubts and uncertainty.

Appear before everyone, in its form or in human form?
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by SolutionMee: 10:50pm On Nov 27, 2018
cheesy

By mere revealing to me how the Lords angel raped Mary.

By tempting me with Potiphar's wife in place of "impotent" Joseph.

By putting me in Solomon's shoe. 700 concubines is not a bad idea at all.

By rationally justifying the reason why Lot's Daughters raped their father.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by frank317: 10:54pm On Nov 27, 2018
johnydon22:


Appear before everyone, in its form or in human form?


I am in Agreement with him...appear in any form he thinks is convincing enough.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 11:00pm On Nov 27, 2018
frank317:


I am in Agreement with him...appear in any form he thinks is convincing enough.

So, If someone shows up now and be like "I'm God" waves his hand and every sick person in the planet gets healed you'd go like "Yea. I think you are indeed God"
??
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by frank317: 11:21pm On Nov 27, 2018
johnydon22:


So, If someone shows up now and be like "I'm God" waves his hand and every sick person in the planet gets healed you'd go like "Yea. I think you are indeed God"
??
Yes...there are other conditions though, as listed in the post I concurred.

festwiz:
Said it before though. Appears before everyone and proves whatever scriptures he was written from to be true.

Shows all 7+ billion people his creation process, Heals every sick person, resolves all conflict, removes evil, etc whilst the whole world watch him perform his voodoo or magic or science.

Answer questions on space and science. Do aliens exists? Coordinates of his home/abode.

That should be convincing enough, as long as the evidence is infallible.I dunno.

These are not questions I ask myself, 'causw they are caused by doubts and uncertainty.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by festwiz(m): 5:57am On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:


Appear before everyone, in its form or in human form?


Must be in physical form. Wether as a turd or FSM or an eight headed elephant.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by 0temSapien: 6:56am On Nov 28, 2018
Existence is God. We are existing, we are a subsystem of God(the first cause). Anything defined as God by the religous people are mere creatures of God.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 7:34am On Nov 28, 2018
Nobody who doesn't believe in God one way or the other. The atheist are idolaters. Basically they are just another head of the Pagan Hydra. They are sometimes reffered to as religious scientists, living by codes like not drinking or even taking aspirin, not because they believe in God for healing but for the fear of cause and effect which arguably are all man-made. They are into human being worship and believe that Christianity also is a Pagan practice in disguise or as they would call it, Neo-Paganism which makes it easier to join a denominational movement.

The truth is universal. William Shakespeare was an atheist who didn't believe in Witch Craft, Good or Evil before he met and worked with King James of England.
I have always imagined about the person at the bottom of the celestial food chain that originally formed stardusts which He then organized together to form matter (including the first human being) and activated time. I hear they said the earliest people on planet Earth could live up to 930 years of timeline because there wasn't too much rushing of time. I imagined how the creature, the humans over the years managed to think creatively and built satellites, skyscrapers, road network using primitive tools like logs and irons. Now they are able to throw you in a spot light and see through your skeletons, brains, tissues, every single details of your make up including the formation of the thoughts in your heart. Even make holographic imagrs of dead people appear to speak, heal and think. Yet they have not been able to find God.

I believe the same intelligence that has brought all the other developments is also responsible for the Bible knowledge and the existing of the eternal God. His name is Jesus

You will be shocked to discover how much the Pagans know about God if your eyes are open but yet they will fail to point you towards the heavens. There was a certain Christian Brother who had a vision about himself in Paradise, he saw his mother there as young as 18 years old calling him, my precious brother, everybody was about the same age but the most surprising scene there was when he saw his dead dog in there. When he asked the gaurdian angel about Jesus, he was told that Jesus was still above. he related the visit to the Church, he was criticized from all angles of the Christian preacher team that Paradise is made for only the humans. Then he reffered them to the book of revelation where Jesus is seen with 1000s of his saints descending from the heavens of heaven with horses.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 11:21am On Nov 28, 2018
Explain money ritual scientifically
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 11:49am On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
Explain money ritual scientifically
I have never indulge in money ritual so I cannot tell you how it works since I have not witnessed it up close.

And I bet my balls that you have not witnessed it either.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by hahn(m): 12:12pm On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:
I have never indulge in money ritual so I cannot tell you how it works since I have not witnessed it up close.

And I bet my balls that you have not witnessed it either.

But there also is a business that fetches a lot of money that in fact fuels the idea of blood money. Organ harvesting. It is a very lucrative business. Illegal but lucrative. If you can find buyers from the black market, you can actually kill people, harvest their internal organs and sell them to your buyers for thousands of dollars.

Tell me more please

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 2:26pm On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:
I have never indulge in money ritual so I cannot tell you how it works since I have not witnessed it up close.

And I bet my balls that you have not witnessed it either.

But there also is a business that fetches a lot of money that in fact fuels the idea of blood money. Organ harvesting. It is a very lucrative business. Illegal but lucrative. If you can find buyers from the black market, you can actually kill people, harvest their internal organs and sell them to your buyers for thousands of dollars.
Are you implying that there's nothing like money? ritual
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by frank317: 2:28pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
Are you implying that there's nothing like money? ritual

He answered ur question directly and clearly... Now u are looking to see if he is implying something.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 2:33pm On Nov 28, 2018
frank317:


He answered ur question directly and clearly... Now u are looking to see if he is implying something.
I see no direct answer there. A direct looks like this; there's nothing like that, what people merely do is kill to sell body parts.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by frank317: 3:01pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
I see no direct answer there. A direct looks like this; there's nothing like that, what people merely do is kill to sell body parts.

He said he has never indulged in one and so cannot tell u how it worked since he has not witnessed it.

He was almost sure u have not witnessed one either... But he went ahead to tell u what he knows about harvest of body parts...

But u went ahead to ask if he is implying there is nothing like body rituals. The same thing he told u he has never witnessed, neither has he seen anyone who witnessed it.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 3:05pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
Are you implying that there's nothing like money? ritual

Nope. I'm implying I've never witnessed it so cannot oblige your request to explain it
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 3:41pm On Nov 28, 2018
frank317:


He said he has never indulged in one and so cannot tell u how it worked since he has not witnessed it.

He was almost sure u have not witnessed one either... But he went ahead to tell u what he knows about harvest of body parts...

But u went ahead to ask if he is implying there is nothing like body rituals. The same thing he told u he has never witnessed, neither has he seen anyone who witnessed it.
There are many ways to inteprete statements. If you take it as he's never witness, so he can't be questioned about it. I take it as; since none of us and no one he knows has seen the process before, then it's just people's imagination.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 3:44pm On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:


Nope. I'm implying I've never witnessed it so cannot oblige your request to explain it
No need to question my belief then. (you, I or anybody else)
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 3:46pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
Explain money ritual scientifically

You will have to first understand the meaning of ritual and then you would know what money ritual is all about. A ritual a something we do routinely in other to satisfy ourselves or something/someone else. A ritual is a duty or put simply a job. When you're meant to wake up at 6am every morning to work till 6pm routinely, it's is your money ritual.
I think the English word you are looking for is, "blood money" or something similar where people voluntarily donate their spare organs to revive or fulfill another entity. However, there are cases where these organs are forcefully harvested. Now, that is a criminal act.
That said, I'd like to add that this is not the right place to ask such question because it is not in line with the topic.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by PastorAIO: 3:57pm On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:
I think this is a necessary question to understand the nature of the disagreements exercised here.

Atheists: What sort of evidence would you think is sufficient enough to convince that God/Gods truly exists?

Theists: What kind of evidence or lack thereof would make you think or lean towards the idea that God/Gods probably do not exist?


This line of questioning would be a nonstarter unless certain things are established first. I reckon the first thing that must be established What We Mean by God.

A man who worships a rock as God has the evidence right there before him every time he goes to worship.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 4:02pm On Nov 28, 2018
brodalokie:


You will have to first understand the meaning of ritual and then you would know what money ritual is all about. A ritual a something we do routinely in other to satisfy ourselves or something/someone else. A ritual is a duty or put simply a job. When you're meant to wake up at 6am every morning to work till 6pm routinely, it's is your money ritual.
I think the English word you are looking for is, "blood money" or something similar where people voluntarily donate their spare organs to revive or fulfill another entity. However, there are cases where these organs are forcefully harvested. Now, that is a criminal act.
That said, I'd like to add that this is not the right place to ask such question because it is not in line with the topic.
While I appreciate your explanation, I think we all know what I meant. It's the common usage among our people. Now, he asked: What evidence may convince me about the non existence of a Supreme being. I asked him to give me the scientific explanation of 'blood ritual'. Prehaps, if there's nothing spritual about that, there's nothing like a Supreme Being. That's why I asked the question.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 4:15pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
No need to question my belief then. (you, I or anybody else)

Actually there is every need.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 4:24pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
While I appreciate your explanation, I think we all know what I meant. It's the common usage among our people. Now, he asked: What evidence may convince me about the non existence of a Supreme being. I asked him to give me the scientific explanation of 'blood ritual'. Prehaps, if there's nothing spritual about that, there's nothing like a Supreme Being. That's why I asked the question.

This actually got me on the religious side. For example the sacrifice of Jesus was a ritual that was offered once and for all in atornment for sins and a purifier of our conscience which is supposed to be the pass into Paradise. The Bible teaches that after he died and resurrected, he takes the same blood and puts on the cloak of a high priest to meditate on our behalf routinely. Now this is a religious defense about a good and accepted ritual that favour me.
On the scientific side, it could refer to a blood transfusion or organ transplant for money.
I believe the Pagan Witches also have a way of getting blood from a host.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 4:28pm On Nov 28, 2018
brodalokie:


This actually got me on the religious side. For example the sacrifice of Jesus was a ritual that was offered once and for all in atornment for sins and a purifier of our conscience which is supposed to be the pass into Paradise. The Bible teaches that after he died and resurrected, he takes the same blood and puts on the cloak of a high priest to meditate on our behalf routinely. Now this is a religious defense about a good and accepted ritual that favour me.
On the scientific side, it could refer to a blood transfusion or organ transplant for money.
I believe the Pagan Witches also have a way of getting blood from a host.
You're a believer then.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 4:30pm On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:

Actually there is every need.
What's this need?
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 5:33pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
You're a believer then.

Yes bro I am a child of God.

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