OladimejiRufai:


How far?

Where are ur other guys?

How do u meet?

Where do u roll??

u have a Whatsapp group? Can i join?

HappyPagan:

God's work? Really?

All I see is man's money building tithe collection centers (parishes)... You have any receipt that God signed? Paid for? Approved?

Or is God's approval done through the man who convince you he is God's servants?

Opening your eyes, while blind, doesn't improve the darkness.

A whole lot of Nigerian Christians are just faithfools - they don't follow the Bible. They only follow what their Pastor said the Bible said.

Some of you are more scared of criticising the man if God, than you are of sinning... Says a lot about the rubbish state of Christianity in this country...

Emmariks:
Sir, you cannot say the whole bible is Christianity as the word Christianity never existed in the old testament neither were there Christians then. Christianity was heard of in Acts 11:26. Because there were people that were Christ Like. But no body was Christ like in the old testament because Christ had not come then.

sweetrace:


In the same Mathew 23 you quoted, Jesus criticized the religious leaders of his days. As Christian’s are we not supposed to be Christ like? Why would we not say an act is wrong when it is being perpetuated by a religious leader? Why do people keep quoting touch not my anointed without any understanding? Who is God’s anointed? In this dispensation, All Christians are God’s anointed. God has poured out His spirit on us all. Freeze is God’s Anointed so far he has accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior.

pressplay411:


You do realise that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father are the same One God. 1 John 5:7
So when he criticises and judges, it is as God, the only Perfect One without blemish, without Sin.
As Christians we correct one another by exhorting (cautioning, advising and encouraging) one another in love.
Only mature Christians are to judge. Titus 2 (1-15)
Now who determines maturity? That's the question.

Also you made a very valid point, every Christian is anointed. Which is why we are not to judge one another. You carry the same anointing of your pastor, the only difference is commitment. Pastors spend more time following Christ than most members.
A lot of Christians are suffering because they keep judging anointed Christians.
Now imagine how much more unbelievers who judge Christians?

You have to also realise that Christianity is not a regular religion. It is a Love Affair because our God is Love.
Has any one ever insulted someone you love?
Has anyone ever slapped your mom or dad or wife or husband, child or best friend?
What's your reaction
God is always seeking who will love Him enough to follow Him. He now finally finds someone who dedicates his life to follow Him, God puts the person through a lot of sufferings, tests, etc just to turn him into someone He can use.
The person endures all this in his journey of becoming a pastor.
And you, just feel you will insult such a one and God will stand akimbo?

Now Numbers 12 details how Jealous God is for his servants so much that he struch Moses' sister with leprosy immediately even after Moses begged on her behalf. He had to reduce the punishment because of Moses' plea.
Now Jesus Christ Himself said that the least person in His Kingdom is greater than John the Baptist, who was greater than Moses and all the other old testament prophets (according to Jesus).
So imagine how much judgement we expose ourselves to when we judge Christians, Pastors?

JeromeBlack:


Keep quiet, abeg.

The op clearly pointed how Freeze has argued against tithing and prefers to use tithe money for the poor but you are still asking how his preaching has affected the society.

All these brain-dead tithe-lovers

alBHAGDADI:
I didn't say he sacrificed himself to himself.

Go and read my post against.

You expect Jesus to do everything in order for us to know what and what he supports. Why not stop using a spoon since the bible never recorded that he used a spoon. The fact that the Bible didn't record he did or didn't do something is a clear indication that we can chose to do or not do those things.

BluntBoy:


In that case:

No one should be obligated to tithe since Abraham was not obligated by the Law of Moses to tithe. He tithed because he wanted to and not because there was a Law that mandated him to.

Your pastors should stop using Malachi to coerce people into tithing.

Your pastors should stop barring non-tithers from marrying in their churches.

Your pastors should stop threatening people with hell and poverty.

alBHAGDADI:


Somebody finally gets my point. Tithe is not compulsory, so you guys should leave those who believe it works for them alone. It's the pastors that made tithing a joke because of their dubious ways.

0monnak0da:
Enoch Adeboye came out to say

Anyone who does not pay tithe is not going to heaven


Did Jesus say that?

Is that a false doctrine?

Yes or No

Do not beat about the bush

sweetrace:


I will finish reading this later. I just want to vehemently contradict 2 things. The first is that I do not carry my pastors anointing. I carry the anointing of the Holy Spirit. I do not go to pastors to pray for me. I pray directly to my Heavenly Father. I don't need a middle man. The lines are open to me directly. Secondly, your pastor may be more committed to God than you are. But my pastor is not more committed to God than I am. I am running my race just like he is running his. Most of what you wrote is the general opinion or misconception of today's Christians. People like Freeze are refusing to be swayed by the opinions of men. They are searching the word of God for themselves and they are seeking the true meaning of this word. Pastors are not super human, nor do they know God more than whoever is willing to know God for themselves. Christianity is not a relationship with God via pastors. It is a relationship with God directly. You may be surprised that the janitor in your church is more intimate with God than your pastor.

As for some of the things you wrote on judgement, hmmm!!! We are Christians because we are Chrst like. Jesus condemned evil, and we are to do the same. Not judging has been totally taken out of concept. You judge when you decide that someone will go to hell because of his deeds. What you should do is judge his deeds as right or wrong. You are a being with the ability to reason. I actually need to get some work done now.

chiezimah:
The promise of the Messiah was to Abraham's seed (Isaac) before he was born. Staying on the seed, Isaac had Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob and of Jacob's children He chose Judah. God said the Saviour will come from Abraham's seed but He made the choice of which tribe He will come from. The promise was to Abraham. Jesus need not be of the tribe of Levi to be the Saviour. The promise was to Abraham's seed. God made the choice if Judah one of the seed.

The Levites we're chosen out of the 12 tribes when they acted on God's instruction. God separated them from the other tribes for the purpose of offering sacrifice and attending the spiritual issues of the people and the temple. The requirement for this service was full dedication without having to do any other job. This demanded they should be taken care of as they will be married and have children. God did not want their attention divided and made the other tribes responsible for providing for them and also the upkeep of the temple. The temple needed musician who would use trumpets, utensils for sacrifices just name it and one of the ways of providing this is through tithing. The occupation of the people at the time was more of farming and rearing of animals, blacksmith, Goldsmith etc and this constituted the offering and tithe given. in our time we have different skill sets hence tithing (monetarily) is the only was to pay our tithe for the running of the temple.

The first time the mention of 10% was made was before the law was given. Abraham was successful in a battle and 10% of the spoil he gave to Melshezedech. His seed continued in this line and in Malachi, when they neglected the temple and caring for the priests, having departed from God, He God said they were robbing Him since they refused to care for God,s buainess. We daily engage in the workplace battle for 30days to earn a salary and also do businesses and 10% of our earning for a financing of a cause u believe is it too much to ask?

When Jesus was in Earth, He never condemed tithe. He said the Pharisees gave tithe of the smallest things but never paid attention to the weightier things of the law like taking care of the poor and widow and fatherless. He went further to say that unless our righteousness (which included tithing as this act was counted as righteousness) exceeds that of the Pharisees, we will not see the Kingdom of God.

Every cause on Earth is financed -good or evil. So is the Church, and one of the ways to do this is to give tithe. The New Testament church which started in Acts gave to finance the gospel. People sold houses and lands and properties to do this. Can we truly say we can sell our houses and land to finance the gospel? That would be really excellent.

Jesus did not come to break the law but to fulfil it. Giving to the kingdom business has it's own blessing. Seeking yea first the kingdom will include doing whatever is necessary (tithe, offering, donations etc) to move the kingdom ideas forward.

we may argue that some pastors use the church money for themselves agreed, however we should focus on accountability from them but this we cannot do from the outside. If u belong to a parish, church. Join the house fellowship. know how it is runned. Just get involved and seek leaders to be accountable. Just the same way we should do with political leadership. Don't fight the giving by people, fight for accountability from the leaders.

God bless.

pressplay411:


Please Ma, it is good to read without a critical mindset.
Otherwise, you will end up only seeing what you want to see and miss the message.

Concerning pastors, did you become the person you are today by studying the bible alone in your room?
Yes, the Holyspirit is our teacher and much more but do you know how deep the Wisdom of God (the bible) is?
You think a babe can just read and understand it?
That is why you need the Ministry of Teachers, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Apostles as you continue your walk with the Holyspirit. This is how we mature into the Ministry. Followers first, then leaders as we grow.
Do not despise the gathering of saints.
Christianity is a personal journey but it is not a solo drill. We all need one another to grow, to correct one another, to impart and impact one another.

Also when I said you carry the same anointing of a pastor, I simply implied we all received the same anointing and baptism of the Holyspirit, Grace and Faith even the same measure as early disciples, in fact the same Holy Spirit in our Lord, Jesus Christ. The only difference is our time and commitment which determines how we grow our Faith through the Rhema (revelation by the Holyspirit).
If you spend more time building your intimacy with the Holyspirit and you let Him teach you the Word as you meditate, You can even outgrow your own pastor with time. But you will need a superdose of humility lest pride sets in and you fall.

God bless you.

sweetrace:


Now I understand your explanation as per carrying the same anointing. And to answer your question. Yes I read the Bible and understood it with the leading of the Holy Spirit. Pastors and churches were giving me conflicting ideas. They were confusing church doctrines with the principles of God. So I decided to seek the word of God myself. After all, I am called to work my salvation with fear and trembling. To call unto God. To look up to the hills. To knock on God’s gate. To ask God and I will receive. To ask God for wisdom and understanding from God. So, I did exactly that.
I don’t really believe I can learn from only pastors. I believe I can learn from even kids. Pastors are not the custodians of God’s words or wisdom. God will lead anyone that is willing. When I go to church, I sit searching the Bible references as the sermon is going on. Often times, I find the pastors trying to twist the words to fit in with their sermons or their point of view. Thank you for taking the time to write with a cool head. But, like I strongly believe everyone should seek God for themselves. It is their true relationship with God that is at stake.
I do believe that pastors should be respected But that’s simply because I believe that every single individual should be honored and respected. If pastors want more respect, then they should earn it.

ollah1:



It's not my fault that comprehension is your problem. It's also not my fault that bigotry and hatred runs in your blood.

speedyconnect3:



You have succeeded in engaging in rigmarole.

The bible says emphatically that you should eat your tithe and that at the third year you should bring to the store house.

This is crystal clear in Deuteronomy 14:22-29.

So how come tithe is paid here and not eaten?


Again, why should tithing be the only thing pentecostal Christians be harping on? Are there no other things in the old ttestament that we have abandoned? Like eating of certain animals?



Again, in the whole of new testament tithe was alluded to just once.


You have refused to think and busy citing malachi 3:10. (It was not even addressed to all Christians but priests)



What about Deuteronomy 14?


Again, do these pastors qualify as levites to receive tithe? They did in the old testament because the had no inheritance.



In the new testament, levites now have inheritance and no longer receive but sell their things too and bring
See Acts4:37.


Use your senses.