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Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Gideons708: 7:04am On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


I knew you would write this.

I decided to hang that comment.

If things go wrong it has to be human error.

We simply can't look at his side for any error.

That is my believe.

We are made in God's image and if we humans are bound to error, we are then said to be reflecting God's error.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by HardMirror(m): 7:07am On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


God has created a way of escape from hell.

Follow it and be saved .

Reject it and go hell.

Scriptural.
hehehe. Just listen to yourself.
God created a way to escape hell.
Do you know hell has no hebrew word? It was an idea stolen from the romans that colonised isreal. That is where the word Hades came from. You guys dont know how silly the whole thing you believe is
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 7:22am On Dec 22, 2018
elated177:


Christianity is war path? Where is that in the Scriptures?
Ephesians 6:10-17 NASB
[10]Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.
[11]Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
[12]For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
[13]Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
[14]Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
[15]and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
[16]in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
[17]And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

2 Corinthians 10:3-6 NASB
[3]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh,
[4]for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses.
[5]We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
[6]and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete.

These ones are the most obvious but the theme runs through the entire Scripture.

When Peter says, for example, that we are pilgrims passing through this world, your mind should return to the Exodus when Israel was passing through hostile territory on the way to the Promised Land. They were an army passing through.

When our Lord tells us that He is sending us forth as sheep among wolves and that we should be shrewd like serpents but harmless as doves, it means the exact same thing. There would be no need for shrewdness if there was no war involved. There would be no call to be harmless if there was no danger of harming people who are not enemies.

I could develop another long post on this just describing how the Scripture teaches it.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by MuttleyLaff: 9:22am On Dec 22, 2018
budaatum:
God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million times a million times more, at least.
How do you mean God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive and a million times a million times more, at least?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 9:46am On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


God has created a way of escape from hell.

Follow it and be saved .

Reject it and go hell.

Scriptural.
If hell was real, we'd all go to hell cos everyone "sins" on a daily.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 9:50am On Dec 22, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


Love cannot over rule justice. God is love but yet just. For God so love the world that he gave up Jesus to be condemn for the sins of the world. Justice most be served.

Love cannot prevent justice from reigning.
Real love forgives. Real love doesn't judge.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 9:54am On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
If hell was real, we'd all go to hell cos everyone "sins" on a daily.
Perhaps another proof that you may not have really been trying to get to know God through the Bible as you thought.

The Bible does not teach the above at all. What it teaches is that everyone who goes to hell will do so because they rejected or refused to accept the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on their behalf.

Everyone sins. It doesn't matter whether they believe in Jesus Christ or not. The body we all live in while on this earth makes it impossible to be morally perfect for now. But that is no longer a problem because Jesus Christ has paid for every sin ever committed or is being committed or will be committed by human beings.

The question is whether any given person accepts that Payment as sufficient for them before God or whether they insist on going their own way: by pretending that God's Judgment is nothing to fear or that they can make peace with God some other way.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 9:54am On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
Real love forgives. Real love doesn't judge.
Will you also in real love for your fellow man forgive the terrorists who murder your family?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 10:09am On Dec 22, 2018
Ihedinobi3:

Perhaps another proof that you may not have really been trying to get to know God through the Bible as you thought.

The Bible does not teach the above at all. What it teaches is that everyone who goes to hell will do so because they rejected or refused to accept the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on their behalf.

Everyone sins. It doesn't matter whether they believe in Jesus Christ or not. The body we all live in while on this earth makes it impossible to be morally perfect for now. But that is no longer a problem because Jesus Christ has paid for every sin ever committed or is being committed or will be committed by human beings.

The question is whether any given person accepts that Payment as sufficient for them before God or whether they insist on going their own way: by pretending that God's Judgment is nothing to fear or that they can make peace with God some other way.
I never said I learnt it from the bible. It's just an observation of the world we live in.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 10:13am On Dec 22, 2018
Ihedinobi3:

Will you also in real love for your fellow man forgive the terrorists who murder your family?
I won't because I never claimed to love them. But your god who claimed to love you is willing and ready to send you to hell. What kind of love is that?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 10:34am On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
I never said I learnt it from the bible. It's just an observation of the world we live in.
You observe that if a hell exists we must all go there? And this makes sense to you how exactly?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 10:36am On Dec 22, 2018
Ihedinobi3:

You observe that if a hell exists we must all go there? And this makes sense to you how exactly?
Cos we all "sin" on a daily
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 10:41am On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
I won't because I never claimed to love them. But your god who claimed to love you is willing and ready to send you to hell. What kind of love is that?
Isn't this the problem? Antichristians tend to bob and weave around the problems they create.

God loves all His Creation. But He also protects each one of them for that exact same reason.

If real love will not judge, then real love will not protect.

So, if anyone decides to oppose God's love for other creatures beside themselves, why should they not be judged to protect those creatures?

You may decide that you don't love terrorists and are therefore free of the contradiction that you wish to create but it is still the global left (populated in very large part by antichristians not unlike yourself) who were pressuring America and Europe to open their doors to hordes of fleeing immigrants from Syria and the Middle East with the very real attendant danger of letting hardened terrorists into their communities. Do you think that their campaign for brotherly love and whatnot was wrong?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 10:42am On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
Cos we all "sin" on a daily
You are missing the point.

If a hell exists, then a judge exists. If that judge exists and we are still here and a hell exists, what would the judge be waiting for to put us all there?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 10:45am On Dec 22, 2018
Ihedinobi3:

You are missing the point.

If a hell exists, then a judge exists. If that judge exists and we are still here and a hell exists, what would the judge be waiting for to put us all there?
The question you asked in the last paragraph is another pointer to the fact that Christianity makes no sense.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 11:30am On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
The question you asked in the last paragraph is another pointer to the fact that Christianity makes no sense.
Let me explain why I try not to take the fight to antichristians:

You just said that from your observation, not from Christian teaching, mind, if hell exists then we must all go there since everyone sins.

Then, I told you that if that is your observation, then you must also observe that a judge exists because who else would create a hell?

The reasonable conclusion from these two observations that you made on your own independent of Christianity is that there must be some reason that human beings are still around and not all in hell. And I asked you what that reason was.

Then you answer now to say that that is why Christianity does not make sense.

The entire argument is built on your observations independent of Christianity but now that you have to explain a part of it that requires work, you blame Christianity for your difficulty.

Do you understand what I mean? There is a very deep dishonesty underlying antichristianity no matter what hue it takes whether atheism, deism or just plain old paganism.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 11:50am On Dec 22, 2018
Ihedinobi3:

When you say that God ought to forgive sinners because He is loving and merciful and commands us to be the same, do you not mean that He ought not to punish evil?
I suppose I do mean evil goes unpunished by God. And if you take away the mythical hell, and God, it does appear to be the case that evil often goes unpunished unless we punish it ourselves.

Imagine politicians who rob us and who's children get to buy their way to rule in perpetuity. The British royal family come to mind. They built their wealth on the back of slaves and theft and I can't see how God punished them for it. Generations later, their descendants are enjoying their forebears ill-gotten wealth. Kind of debunks the idea of a jealous God "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me", wouldn't you say? See note though!

Humans get away with quite a lot of things we'd consider sinful. We console ourselves with "they will go to hell", but that's just a belief. No one really knows if hell really exists such that the neo-Christians are in the process of eliminating the idea completely. Besides, one can sin all one's life, say "Jesus is Lord" with their last breathe, and they get to go to heaven, unpunished.

"Ought", is not the right word. "God very often doesn't punish evil", is more accurate, or in atheist speak, "there just are no gods!"

But (and this is the 'note!') all the above is taking sin to mean sin in its conventional form, and god to be the man in the sky. If sin is considered to mean error, or ignorance or stupidity, and god means that which is right and proper, you might perhaps see how the 'sins' of the father are inflicted on generation after generation until one accepts 'Jesus' (knowledge, wisdom) into one's life and repents from the ignorant ways of oneself and forebears. Britain has done this, and is why it is heaven. While Nigeria continues to sin and is still hell.

I hope you heard of the Nigerian stowaways found on the Grande Tema in the Thames Estuary trying to get into heaven. They will be deported straight back to hell if not imprisoned first for being pirates!

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Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 11:50am On Dec 22, 2018
Gideons708:


We are made in God's image and if we humans are bound to error, we are then said to be reflecting God's error.

Humans have free will.

You can decide to be a porn addict and get stucked in it... and it degenerates to sexual perversions and all.

It is an error and you are responsible for it .

I have decided not to do secular music both video and audio...

This to control what goes in my heart. ..since out of the heart comes the issues of life.

Your decision causes error

My God is a perfect God.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 11:54am On Dec 22, 2018
HardMirror:
hehehe. Just listen to yourself.
God created a way to escape hell.
Do you know hell has no hebrew word? It was an idea stolen from the romans that colonised isreal. That is where the word Hades came from. You guys dont know how silly the whole thing you believe is

OK.

There is a place of ETERNAL DAMNATION ....

Accepting Jesus as one's saviour and Lord excuses one from this punishment...

His blood purifies.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Gideons708: 11:58am On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


Humans have free will.

You can decide to be a porn addict and get stucked in it... and it degenerates to sexual perversions and all.

It is an error and you are responsible for it .

I have decided not to do secular music both video and audio...

This to control what goes in my heart. ..since out of the heart comes the issues of life.

Your decision causes error

My God is a perfect God.

LMFAO
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 12:01pm On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
Cos we all "sin" on a daily

People have attained a remarkable level of holiness with the help of Jesus...through the holy spirit.

They might not tell you but they are incredibly pure.

However, as humans, one may fall into sin....even though he or she is living a holy life....

When this happens, the blood of Jesus who his children have accepted Will do the work of purification...

...these ones are then JUSTIFIED before God. They appear SINLESS BEFORE GOD..

take a look ....

" And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation,

and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
(Revelation 7: 14)


Why would anyone wash his robe in the blood of the Lamb?
.its because there was a stain....

You cannot stand in God's presence in heaven with sin...even though it is just one out of your total year on earth...

This is due to the holiness of God.

That's why Jesus sacrifice is ESSENTIAL. .....
.that is why is blood is needed.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by HardMirror(m): 12:04pm On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


OK.

There is a place of ETERNAL DAMNATION ....

Accepting Jesus as one's saviour and Lord excuses one from this punishment...

His blood purifies.
the jewish blood will save me from the roman hell. Makes sense
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 12:07pm On Dec 22, 2018
raptex:
Real love forgives. Real love doesn't judge.


What have you done with the forgiveness you have received?

You are alive by his mercy....what have you given him in return for forgiving you?

uh?

You gave him blasphemy and because he is not acting immediately to put you in your place,

You quickly conclude that he doesn't exist....or his powerless...

What exactly do you want from him?

Saying that real love forgives and doesn't judge,..yet you throw back his mercy to his face is hypocritical...

An axe is laid on every tree that has received nourishment and refuses to yield fruit...


Many of you think God is stupid?

Real love doesn't judge...it forgives...

Hypocrites.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 12:09pm On Dec 22, 2018
HardMirror:
the jewish blood will save me from the roman hell. Makes sense


I used the word "one" in replying you for the sake of anyone reading..

Yours is a settled case.

I told you before....

That was a message as a spokesman of God.

You don't need to bother yourself.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by LordReed(m): 12:13pm On Dec 22, 2018
Christians think life is like a Jumanji game, every time you roll a dice some invisible entity is waiting to order some consequence. Meanwhile life and universe operates without a care or thought for you or your actions.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by HardMirror(m): 12:19pm On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:



I used the word "one" in replying you for the sake of anyone reading..

Yours is a settled case.

I told you before....

That was a message as a spokesman of God.

You don't need to bother yourself.

spokes man aye! Please humor me some more. What is god saying about my current ailment?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 12:21pm On Dec 22, 2018
budaatum:

I suppose I do mean evil goes unpunished by God. And if you take away the mythical hell, and God, it does appear to be the case that evil often goes unpunished unless we punish it ourselves.

Imagine politicians who rob us and who's children get to buy their way to rule in perpetuity. The British royal family come to mind. They built their wealth on the back of slaves and theft and I can't see how God punished them for it. Generations later, their descendants are enjoying their forebears ill-gotten wealth. Kind of debunks the idea of a jealous God "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me", wouldn't you say? See note though!

Humans get away with quite a lot of things we'd consider sinful. We console ourselves with "they will go to hell", but that's just a belief. No one really knows if hell really exists such that the neo-Christians are in the process of eliminating the idea completely. Besides, one can sin all one's life, say "Jesus is Lord" with their last breathe, and they get to go to heaven, unpunished.

"Ought", is not the right word. "God very often doesn't punish evil", is more accurate, or in atheist speak, "there just are no gods!"

But (and this is the 'note!') all the above is taking sin to mean sin in its conventional form, and god to be the man in the sky. If sin is considered to mean error, or ignorance or stupidity, and god means that which is right and proper, you might perhaps see how the 'sins' of the father are inflicted on generation after generation until one accepts 'Jesus' (knowledge, wisdom) into one's life and repents from the ignorant ways of oneself and forebears. Britain has done this, and is why it is heaven. While Nigeria continues to sin and is still hell.

I hope you heard of the Nigerian stowaways found on the Grande Tema in the Thames Estuary trying to get into heaven. They will be deported straight back to hell if not imprisoned first for being pirates!
Judging that this was what you said:

budaatum:

God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million times a million times more, at least.

I think it is reasonable to say that you are changing your position now. You are rejecting the position that God ought to forgive sinners in favor of a new one that He actually does.

I think that changes like this may testify to some deeper-than-the-surface appreciation that the position of the Bible is true.

God indeed DOES forgive sin - as I pointed out in my first answer. And since - as your post here also acknowledges - Hell is held as real and existing in the Christian Faith - then even sinners who do evil in this world and appear to get away with it still suffer God's Justice in the end in our worldview.

Now, your objection here is that no one has any material proof that hell exists. Therefore, you go on, hell doesn't exist and God does not ultimately punish evil.

But that is an argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The fact that we have no material proof does not mean that it is not true.

Then again, if we all knew for sure that hell exists and cannot doubt that at all, would all human beings have a choice in submitting to God? Would we not all be forced to whether we like it or not? That would mean that many who don't want God telling them what to do would be forced to endure that eternally, not so? Is that consistent with Love as a concept?
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 12:45pm On Dec 22, 2018
LordReed:
Christians think life is like a Jumanji game, every time you roll a dice some invisible entity is waiting to order some consequence. Meanwhile life and universe operates without a care or thought for you or your actions.

Good.

That's your opinion.

God orders things that be through his words...

He sets the laws of motion, matter, weight and heat in place so that he won't have to be creating everything on daily basis.

Engineers try to copy that by producing engines that work in cycles...

Carnot cycle, Rankine cycle, Otto cycle etc.

The fact that these engines work on their own does not mean that someone did not put it in place..

The laws of matter, gravity etc are God's command.

This is my belief...
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by LordReed(m): 1:12pm On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


Good.

That's your opinion.

God orders things that be through his words...

He sets the laws of motion, matter, weight and heat in place so that he won't have to be creating everything on daily basis.

Engineers try to copy that by producing engines that work in cycles...

Carnot cycle, Rankine cycle, Otto cycle etc.

The fact that these engines work on their own does not mean that someone did not put it in place..

The laws of matter, gravity etc are God's command.

This is my belief...

Just prove god ordered anything into motion.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 1:18pm On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:



What have you done with the forgiveness you have received?

You are alive by his mercy....what have you given him in return for forgiving you?

uh?

You gave him blasphemy and because he is not acting immediately to put you in your place,

You quickly conclude that he doesn't exist....or his powerless...

What exactly do you want from him?

Saying that real love forgives and doesn't judge,..yet you throw back his mercy to his face is hypocritical...

An axe is laid on every tree that has received nourishment and refuses to yield fruit...


Many of you think God is stupid?

Real love doesn't judge...it forgives...

Hypocrites.
I never said God doesn't exist. I just don't believe in the woman- hating, slavery- endorsing god of the bible. I don't want anything from him. Instead, I want you to free your mind from slavery.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 1:21pm On Dec 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:


People have attained a remarkable level of holiness with the help of Jesus...through the holy spirit.

They might not tell you but they are incredibly pure.

However, as humans, one may fall into sin....even though he or she is living a holy life....

When this happens, the blood of Jesus who his children have accepted Will do the work of purification...

...these ones are then JUSTIFIED before God. They appear SINLESS BEFORE GOD..

take a look ....

" And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation,

and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
(Revelation 7: 14)


Why would anyone wash his robe in the blood of the Lamb?
.its because there was a stain....

You cannot stand in God's presence in heaven with sin...even though it is just one out of your total year on earth...

This is due to the holiness of God.

That's why Jesus sacrifice is ESSENTIAL. .....
.that is why is blood is needed.
Nobody is holy. From you to your pastor to the Pope.
Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 1:25pm On Dec 22, 2018
Ihedinobi3:

Let me explain why I try not to take the fight to antichristians:

You just said that from your observation, not from Christian teaching, mind, if hell exists then we must all go there since everyone sins.

Then, I told you that if that is your observation, then you must also observe that a judge exists because who else would create a hell?

The reasonable conclusion from these two observations that you made on your own independent of Christianity is that there must be some reason that human beings are still around and not all in hell. And I asked you what that reason was.

Then you answer now to say that that is why Christianity does not make sense.

The entire argument is built on your observations independent of Christianity but now that you have to explain a part of it that requires work, you blame Christianity for your difficulty.

Do you understand what I mean? There is a very deep dishonesty underlying antichristianity no matter what hue it takes whether atheism, deism or just plain old paganism.
Wake up and realize that hell is a scam created to keep you in check.

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