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Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 7:02am On Dec 23, 2018
Please, kindly excise patience in reading the below article. It will save you from the lies coming from those attacking Christmas.


Christmas has been coming under attack of recent with many claiming it is a pagan festival and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ nor his birthday as claimed by Christians. The attack use to be usually around Christmas period but these days they start attacking it right from January.

Let’s examine their argument and weigh them with the Bible to see whether it is accurate and worth making of Christians dump Christmas.

Their argument is just centered around the following themes: Birthday is pagan, Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th, Nimrod, Christmas tree is pagan etc. Let’s examine them one by one and even add more.


1. Birthday is a pagan practice


This statement is majorly held by the Jehovah’s Witnesses which are people in a false religion. They say the reason why Christians should not celebrate their birthday is because “two evil men” were the only ones recorded in the Bible to have celebrated their birthday.  The men are Pharaoh of Egypt and King Herod whom it is recorded that they killed someone on their birthday. Pharaoh killed his chief baker while Herod killed John the Baptist.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying in essence is that because 2 men who existed ages ago decided to kill someone on their birthday, we all existing today should not acknowledge and celebrate our birthday. Which Bible verse says we shouldn't celebrate our birthday? There is no such command found in the Bible, so it is not a sin or wrong to celebrate one's birthday.

If you read Mathew 14;3-10 you will see that Herod killing John the Baptist was not because killing someone on one's birthday was a normal practice. He killed John just to fulfill his promise to his daughter that he would do whatever she wanted for dancing so greatly. His daughter requested for John's head and he had no choice but to fulfill it just to honor his word as a king.

As for Pharaoh, he did absolutely nothing wrong in killing his chief baker because the chief baker and his chief butler offended him.


Genesis 40:1

And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt.  

Pharaoh was even kind enough to spare his butler but killed the baker on his birthday. The punishment the baker got must actually be what he deserved according to the King of Egypt. So there is nothing wrong with him receiving his punishment accordingly.  Therefore, Pharaoh cannot be said to have done any wrong on his birthday. As a matter of fact, he did good, which is having mercy on one of the offenders. So, the talk of not celebrating birthday because two men killed someone on their's holds no water. Pharaoh's kindness of sparing the Butler is the reason why the children of Jacob were spared from famine because the Butler got to tell Pharaoh about the dream interpreting abilities of Joseph.

They also love to quote the below verse to discredit birthday celebration.


Ecc 7:1

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.  

Yes, the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. But does the verse say the day of one's birth is bad? No. If the Bible says the day of one's death is BETTER than the day of one's birth, then it means the day of one's birth is GOOD. Remember Good, Better, Best. Now, since the day of one's birth is GOOD, then it means it is good to celebrate it. Until they can show a verse which says Christians should not celerbate birthdays, I will continue to celebrate birthdays including that of Jesus.

What they are doing by saying we shouldn't celebrate birthdays is basically speaking when God has not spoken. They are telling us to do what the Bible never said. The Bible says such people are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. They tell me to do certain things and try to make it look like it is God that said so.

Matthew 15:9 

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 


2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:


Genesis 10:8-9

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

As seen above, the Bible didn't record anything bad about Nimrod because being a mighty hunter before God is not a bad description of a person. However, the other story about Nimrod can be found in Jewish Talmud written in the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after the New Testament had been in circulation. That's where you will find stories of how Nimrod was a god who married his mother and gave birth to a son Tamuz who also his reincarnation... blah blah blah. Those are all fables written thousands of years after Nimrod died and by people who didn't exist during his days. You can never find any Bible verse that says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas, but I can show you a verse that says we should stay away from Jewish Fables and the commandments of men which don't go with God's word.


Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  

As a Christian, you are not to listen to the Jews or read their religious books other than you reading the Bible. The Jews have been rejected by God because they rejected Jesus Christ. I now wonder why anyone would be expecting me to abandon the celebration of the birth of Jesus my Lord and Savior simply because a book written by Christ rejecting Jews made false claims about Jesus. 

Do you also know that the Talmud of the Jews says that Jesus real father was a Roman soldier named Pantera who slept with Mary? Is that the same book who wrote lies about Nimrod and Jesus that you want to dump Christmas because of? The Jews are antichrists because their religion of Judaism rejects Jesus as the son of God, a thing which the Bible says qualifies one as an Antichrist.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

It is pretty clear why those Jews cooked up shady stories which many are now using to attack the celebration of Christmas. The birth of Jesus, which we celebrate on Christmas day, is a declaration that Judaism, the practice and religion of the Jews, is no longer valid. The birth of Jesus Christ put and end to their believe, that's why they are annoyed. It's silly for you bring the Nimrod information from people whom the Bible calls antichrists and expect me to receive it.

Once again, all those people who try to force you to do what is not written in the Bible which is the word of God, are actually teaching their man-made commandments and trying to make it the doctrines of God. They tell you not to celebrate Christmas but can't show you were God said so in the Bible.


Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.  

December 25th may have been dedicated to the worship of a false god which I believe the people of those days were influenced by Satan to do such. But many of such people have today come to the realization of the true God and have turned that day into the celebration of him. Satan doesn't own any day because he never created one. All days were created by God and so it is not a bad thing picking any of those days to celebrate the birth of his son who came to save us from our sins. Since all days belong to God our father, what Christians of old did was repossess their father's possession and made it holy. It is the same thing that happens when a demon is driven out of an individual and the Holy Spirit enters into the individual to dwell. You can't tell me that such individual is still demonic, because demons can't reside where the Holy Spirit resides.

All those who say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because December 25th was dedicated to a false god are just hypocrites. Got to their house, you will find a calendar on their wall, and this calendar contains days and months named after false gods. Examples are January dedicated to the false god Janus, Thursday dedicated to Thor, Saturday dedicated to Saturn etc. Are we now to stop existing on each of these days because some ignorant people dedicated them to false and weak gods? If those anti-christmas people say they don't have a calendar at home because they know it contains pagan names, don't they have a calendar app in the phones? Maybe they should throw their phones away because they are walking about with paganism. Apostle Paul said we can eat anything dedicated to gods and put it inside our belly. Any day dedicated to a false god can be taken by we Christians and dedicate it to the true God who created days.

Now, is there anything wrong with celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, eating food with family on that day, exchanging gifts, singing Christmas Carol that most times quote Bible verses etc? There is nothing wrong at all. And for someone to sit somewhere and say Christmas is a wicked festival, I ask, what is wicked about all I listed above? Whoever says we are committing sin for celebrating the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ is a false accuser.


3. Christmas tree is pagan


I'll borrow a quote from Pastor Steven Anderson's sermon on the subject. Read below.


If you still think that Christmas trees are bad, then go right ahead, but let's at least look at the facts tonight, and that's all I want to do, is present the biblical facts tonight. In Jeremiah, Chapter 10, Verse 1, the Bible says, "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O House of Israel. Thus sayeth the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain, for one cut of the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the ax, they deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Right now is where the anti-Christmas people stop reading, and they just take these couple of verses out of context. They stop reading, and they just take Verse 3 and 4, and they say, "Look, it is a vain, heathen custom to cut down a tree," okay, "And to deck it with silver and gold, and to fasten it with nails and hammers." Here's what they say. They say that's what you're doing when you decorate a Christmas tree. They say you've cut down a tree, and you're basically decking it with gold and silver, and they're saying because you put a gold and a silver ornament on it. Okay, that's their view. That is not what this scripture is talking about. If you stop reading right there, you could use that to convince people of your point, but that's not what it's really about, because keep reading.

Look at Verse 5. It says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not. They must needs be borne because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil. Neither also is it in them to do good. For as much as there is none like unto thee, O Lord." 

Stop. What this is talking about, and I'm going to prove it to you from the rest of the chapter, this is talking about cutting down a tree in the forest, and carving it into an idol that is silver or gold plated. When the Bible says that it is decked with gold and silver, that is not saying hanging a silver ball on it. When you deck something over with silver, okay, you are covering it with silver. For example, the deck on your house. Your house might have a deck, okay? It's a covering, is what that means. What the Bible is saying here is that they're carving it into an idol, because look, in Verse 5, he says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not."

Look, nobody thinks that a Christmas tree can speak, or walk, or do good or evil, because it's a tree, right? There are people who carve a tree into an idol of a false god, and they think that that false god can speak, or walk, or do these things, okay? Keep reading. Jump down if you would to Verse 8. It says, "But they are altogether brutish and foolish. The stock," okay, talking about basically the stump of the tree that's being carved, "Is a doctrine of vanities." Watch. Silver spread into plates. Look. Is this a round, silver ornament hanging on the tree? Is this a silver garland? No. It's what I said. It's silver spread into plates, because it's being silver plated, or gold plated, okay? It says, "Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder." Okay?

Jump down to Verse 14. It says, "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the" what? Graven image. "For his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in him. They are vanity." Look, you can't just take two verses out of context. You have to read the whole chapter. This whole chapter is talking about the same subject. Notice the same words are being used. Look at Verse 3, okay? If you have a pen, you may want to underline a few key words here, okay? In Verse 3, the Bible says, "The customs of the people are" what? Vain, and then it says they cut down a tree, right? Okay, now if you jump down to where he's talking about the graven image, he says in Verse 15, "They are vanity."

Okay, so what is vain? He says, it's vain to cut down a tree and deck it with gold and silver, and think that it can walk, or talk, or do anything. It's not like the true God. It's a false god. Later on, he says that these graven images or molten images are vain. They are vanity. Okay, he's talking about the same thing. Up earlier, he said in Verse 9, silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman at the hands of the founder. See the word "founder?" Jump down to verse 14. "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the graven image." If you look at this chapter, there's a continuity of thought here. We are on the same subject in Verse 14 that we were in Verse 3. He's going on and on about the fact that they are carving idols out of wood.

What does it mean to grave, to engrave something? If I brought in something to an artisan, and said, "I want this engraved," they're going to carve my name into it, or they're going to carve some kind of wording into it. Okay. What is molten? Molten comes from the word melting. You melt down metal. You melt silver. You melt gold. A graven image is an image that is carved of wood. A molten image is an image that is made of molten metal, okay, and what he's saying here is that they are carving a wooden idol, and then overlaying it, decking it, with molten gold and silver, and they believe that it is like unto the God of Israel. You know what? People today will often compare the God of the Bible to other gods. They'll say, "You know, why should I believe the God of the Bible any more than I believe in the god of Islam, or Buddha, or whatever?"

There's no God like unto the true God, and the idol is vanity. It can't talk. It has to be carried, and God makes it clear He never wants us to make any image of Him. Does the Bible specifically prohibit graven and molten images? Oh, yeah. It's one of the ten commandments. "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image." Okay, so there's no question that graven images and molten images are sinful. That matches perfectly with what Jeremiah 10 is teaching, preaching against graven and molten images. To sit there and say, "This is a Christmas tree," and people will even say, "A Christmas tree is a graven image." Let me ask you something. Where's the engraving? Where is it carved? In what way, shape, or form is it carved in any way? Answer me that.

It is just a tree. You brought the tree, and you put it in the house. There's no carving. Nothing has been molten or melted. Look, it's not an image. What's an image? It's something that's made like unto an animal, or a human, or an angel, or a god. Okay, but hold on a second. They'll say, "Well," and go to Isaiah, Chapter 60. They'll say, "Well, you know, okay. It's not a graven image. You got me, Pastor Anderson." Look, can anybody actually say that a Christmas tree is a graven image when it has zero graving and zero molten? Okay, no. They just say, "Yeah, but Jeremiah 10 said not to do it." No, because we read the whole chapter, and it was clear that the tree that they're cutting down in the forest becomes a graven image.

Cutting down trees is not wrong, unless you're part of the Environmental Protection Agency or something. I don't see how you could say there's anything wrong with going into the forest and cutting down a tree, okay? The sin wasn't cutting down the tree. The sin was then graving the tree, carving the tree into an idol, and overlaying it with gold and silver that it might be worshiped.


To conclude this article, I'll say there is nothing wrong in chosen not to celebrate Christmas just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating it. The only wrong found is when those who don't celebrate it start trying to impose their idea on others as if it is a commandment of God when such is not written in the Bible.


Let me explain the below passage so you will understand fully.


Romans 14

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

This is talking about a vegan/vegetarian and people who eat meat and all things.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

The above says he that eats all things should not despise the one who doesn't. Also the one who doesn't should not judge the one who does.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

The above says we are not to judge each other because we are all servants of God. Our master is the one to judge us. You might says, what has this got to do with Christmas. Just keep reading.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

As seems above, it is good to esteem every day in the same manner. Also it is not a bad thing to esteem one day above others just as we esteem December 25th above other days. Verse 6 says he that regards a certain day regards it unto God and he that doesn't regard it does the same unto God.

Ladies and gentlemen, don't let anybody tell you Christmas is a pagan festival. It is not a pagan god we celebrate when we celebrate Jesus who is the reason for the season. It is not a pagan god's story we read when we read Luke 2 from the Bible on Christmas day. If they try to lie to you, show them this article which I will advise you to bookmark because these people will still come around next year with the same lies.

And please don't forget to send me a Christmas gift. PM Now grin

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Dami12345: 7:07am On Dec 23, 2018
So this poo made first page?.

What is the use of a festival so shrouded with conspiracy, or a religion that constantly has to be defended whilst its " ever living God " is Muter than a silent fart. And as effective as the same Gods it came to replace.
The chosen of this God look more like drug Barron's and even work closely with them.

Anyways God works in mysterious ways, maybe Good is bad and bad is good in his own book. Because me I yam not understanding oh.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by tsephanyah(f): 7:09am On Dec 23, 2018
If you read this, I’ll add ten years to your life or subtract ten years...you pick.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 7:18am On Dec 23, 2018
tsephanyah:
If you read this, I’ll add ten years to your life or subtract ten years...you pick.
My people suffer for lack of knowledge. How can you be knowledgeable when you refuse to read or study?

You can't even read to save your life. Worse is that you are discouraging others from reading the OP. Please go to Instablog and enjoy yourself there.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by kiddoiLL(m): 7:28am On Dec 23, 2018
I'm glad and excited you took your time to make research and you found out the true names behind all of this days, months and celebration thing. But here's the thing he who knows the truth will be set free by the truth. Not only will Christians celebrate pagan festivals, right from Easter to Christmas, but they've abandoned the real festive periods in the he Bible. The real days of celebration down from The feast of Pentecost down to the feast of Tabernacles and the rest.. The hypocrisy is something else,..Now you know that the days, festivals were changed abi? And still yet most of you guys see nothing wrong with it and focus on it like nothing else. I'll drop this here, you do know the Roman Empire is the 4th kingdom and has been ruling right and that Emperor Constantine is the Roman King that changed almost all Christian laws, festivals and times right? ... I don't see any justification in your post

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 8:07am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:




You contradict yourself.

You say "Yes he wasn't born on December 25th" and "there's a 100% chance he was born on December 25th".

Which one is it uncle?

Quoting Bible verses do not justify anything if you cannot provide incontrovertible proof - especially since the Bible's authenticity cannot be verified.



Reasons for Christmas being a pagan holiday wasn't because of Nimrod (another embarrassing error on your part), it is because of the Roman Sun God - Mithra.

1. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra.

Years after Jesus' death, Christianity gradually grew popular & incited a lot of riots in the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine had to merge the pagan Sun God celebration (Sol Invictus) with Christian doctrines to pacify both parties. The Bible you read today was revised by Bishops & politicians & many books were removed & banned at the Council of Nicaea.

Even the sunday you attend churches was gotten from the pagan religion of Mithraism, the holy day was Sunday and is where we get that word from!



2. Jesus couldn't have been born on December 25th because according to his birth story, shepherds flocked at night.

Shepherds don't flock outside in the Middle East around December (winter). This happens around spring (October).

Its usually cold outside and even snows so how on earth could shepherds have been outside at night with sheep on a hill that would probably be snowcapped and devoid of any grass?!

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Glorymax: 8:07am On Dec 23, 2018
Thanks for your write up. Some very strong arguments shared on some issues.
I also agree with the poster above that 25 th December is a celebration of Roman goddess b/4 Christian changed it to celebrate Jesus's birthday

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 8:15am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
I'm glad and excited you took your time to make research and you found out the true names behind all of this days, months and celebration thing. But here's the thing he who knows the truth will be set free by the truth. Not only will Christians celebrate pagan festivals, right from Easter to Christmas, but they've abandoned the real festive periods in the he Bible. The real days of celebration down from The feast of Pentecost down to the feast of Tabernacles and the rest.. The hypocrisy is something else,..Now you know that the days, festivals were changed abi? And still yet most of you guys see nothing wrong with it and focus on it like nothing else. I'll drop this here, you do know the Roman Empire is the 4th kingdom and has been ruling right and that Emperor Constantine is the Roman King that changed almost all Christian laws, festivals and times right? ... I don't see any justification in your post
Where did I state that days of celebrations were changed?

Easter is no pagan festival. Stop carrying false news.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 8:19am On Dec 23, 2018
Glorymax:
Thanks for your write up. Some very strong arguments shared on some issues.
I also agree with the poster above that 25 th December is a celebration of Roman goddess b/4 Christian changed it to celebrate Jesus's birthday
The issue with those who believe December 25th was used to celebrate a god is that they are confused which god it is. Some say it is Nimrod, which the Bible never called a god, and here you are saying it is a goddess.

Don't allow such fables deceive you. Pagan temples were taken over by Christians when they concerted those pagans. Their days which they dedicated to false gods have also been taken over by Christians who know that those days belong to their Father the Almighty who created them.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 8:29am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:





You contradict yourself.

You say "Yes he wasn't born on December 25th" and "there's a 100% chance he was born on December 25th".

Which one is it uncle?

Quoting Bible verses do not justify anything if you cannot provide incontrovertible proof - especially since the Bible's authenticity cannot be verified.



Reasons for Christmas being a pagan holiday wasn't because of Nimrod (another embarrassing error on your part), it is because of the Roman Sun God - Mithra.

1. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra.

Years after Jesus' death, Christianity gradually grew popular & incited a lot of riots in the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine had to merge the pagan Sun God celebration (Sol Invictus) with Christian doctrines to pacify both parties. The Bible you read today was revised by Bishops & politicians & many books were removed & banned at the Council of Nicacea.

Even the sunday you attend churches was gotten from the pagan religion of Mithraism, the holy day was Sunday and is where we get that word from!



2. Jesus couldn't have been born on December 25th because according to his birth story, shepherds flocked at night.

Shepherds don't flock outside in the Middle East around December (winter). This happens around spring (October).

Its usually cold outside and even snows so how on earth could shepherds have been outside at night with sheep on a hill that would probably be snowcapped and devoid of any grass?!


Please try to comprehend simple statement. I never said Jesus was born on December 25th, I only said there is a 100% chance he was born on that day. We are not saying for sure that he was born on December 25th. But why are you all criticizing us for choosing that day to celebrate his birthday when he hasn't criticized us?

We christians chose that day for a purpose which has since been achieved. Whoever was worshiped on that day is no longer worshiped or celebrated because of Jesus who has conquered them all.

You say December 25th was dedicated to a Sun God called Mithra. That is another version quite different from the Nimrod version. Those people celebrated a false sun god because Satan deceived them. They didn't know what they were worshipping.

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship:

They didn't know that Jesus is the true Sun of Righteousness. Below is the Bible calling Jesus the SUN.

Malachai 4:2
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus. Can you now see how Jesus once again took back what belongs to him?

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MrPresident1: 8:37am On Dec 23, 2018
At Christmas we celebrate the birth of the SUN of GOD, who is the son of man, and he is the SON of GOD. He is the Sun of the world

Jesus Christ, the great and mighty and fiery warrior-king, who will come with thunder, is the Sun of God

2 Samuel 22:14-15
14 The Lord thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice.
15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.

Psalm 18:13
The Lord also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 8:39am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:

Please try to comprehend simple statement. I never said Jesus was born on December 25th, I only said there is a 100% chance he was born on that day. We are not saying for sure that he was born on December 25th. But why are you all criticizing us for choosing that day to celebrate his birthday when he hasn't criticized us?

We christians chose that day for a purpose which has since been achieved. Whoever was worshiped on that day is no longer worshiped or celebrated because of Jesus who has conquered them all.

You say December 25th was dedicated to a Sun God called Mithra. That is another version quite different from the Nimrod version. Those people celebrated a false sun god because Satan deceived them. They didn't know what they were worshipping.

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship:

They didn't know that Jesus is the true Sun of Righteousness. Below is the Bible calling Jesus the SUN.

Malachai 4:2
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus. Can you now see how Jesus once again took back what belongs to him?


Wow. grin

"The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus" - on the day of a pagan god?! shocked



Now tell me, if December 25th was truly Christmas, how come Christmas wasn't celebrated until 336AD. That's over 300 years after Jesus' death!

What were Christians doing for 300 good years?

St. Paul died around 68AD, St. Phillip around 80AD (a full 50 years after Jesus' death) yet they made no mention of Christmas. That is glaring.
In allthe letters written to the Churches in Antioch, Ephesus, Tarsus etc, not ONE mention of the most important day of Christianity!! shocked

How is that possible?!


2. The fact that Nimrod was mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean there can't be other Nimrods on earth.
Why do you deliberately choose to be myopic?

There are many Elijahs, Peters, Pauls and even Jesuses in the world today!


You still haven't proven that Jesus was born on December 25th.
All you do is quote meaningless Bible verses.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MrPresident1: 8:44am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:



Wow. grin

"The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus" - on the day of a pagan god?! shocked


Now tell me, if December 25th was truly Christmas, how come Christmas wasn't celebrated until 336AD. That's over 300 years after Jesus' death!

What were Christians doing for 300 good years?

St. Paul died around 68AD, St. Phillip around 80AD (a full 50 years after Jesus' death) yet they made no mention of Christmas. That is glaring.
In allthe letters written to the Chruches in Antioch, Ephesus, Tarsus etc, not ONE mention of the most important day of Christianity!! shocked

How is that possible?!


2. The fact that Nimrod was mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean there can't be other Nimrods on earth.
Why do you choose to be myopic?


Jesus is the Sun. The sun dies at the winter solstice, it stays in the grave for three days, then on the third day it rises again with power and great glory

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MrPresident1: 8:46am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI, you should split your intros into smaller portions divided into posts

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by kiddoiLL(m): 8:47am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Where did I state that days of celebrations were changed?

Easter is no pagan festival. Stop carrying false news.
No you didn't say it, I only made it known to you that the days of celebrations were changed and Christmas is pagan...so is Easter, you really don't know much do you? Have you searched the history behind Easter? Have you asked yourself why Easter is celebrated the same time and week as the feast of Passover and Unleavened bread in the Bible is being celebrated in Israel?? You really don't know the Festivals that God ordained do you?... You better make your research into history before you always say stuffs, I already showed you there Daniel chapter 7 says it all, how laws and times would be changed by man

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 8:48am On Dec 23, 2018
MrPresident1:



Jesus is the Sun. The sun dies at the winter solstice, it stays in the grave for three days, then on the third day it rises again with power and great glory

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MrPresident1: 8:49am On Dec 23, 2018
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 8:52am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:



Wow. grin

"The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus" - on the day of a pagan god?! shocked


Now tell me, if December 25th was truly Christmas, how come Christmas wasn't celebrated until 336AD. That's over 300 years after Jesus' death!

What were Christians doing for 300 good years?

St. Paul died around 68AD, St. Phillip around 80AD (a full 50 years after Jesus' death) yet they made no mention of Christmas. That is glaring.
In allthe letters written to the Chruches in Antioch, Ephesus, Tarsus etc, not ONE mention of the most important day of Christianity!! shocked

How is that possible?!


2. The fact that Nimrod was mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean there can't be other Nimrods on earth.
Why do you choose to be myopic?

Stop saying a day belongs to a pagan god. Did the pagan god create any day?

You ask to know why it took almost that long before Christians started celebrating Christmas. Was immediately after Jesus ascended that everything about Christianity came into full picture? Even today, it is not everything about Christianity that has been fulfilled. We still have a lot in the book of revelations which are yet to be fulfilled.

Paul and Philip never mentioned Christmas. Guess what, they told us we are free to celebrate as long as the Bible doesn't warn against such celebration. So who are you to judge us when you are not our master?

Everyday belongs to God. Satan is only trying to steal what belongs to God. Remember how h boasted that he was going to be like God. He has since deceived humans into worshiping him like God. But God has since been talking back what belongs to him.

The Nimrod mentioned in the Bible is the Nimrod you liars try to pin this whole thing on. Ask everyone who believes December 25th was dedicated to Nimrod, they will tell you it's the same Biblical nimrod whom the Bible never mentioned him to be a bad guy. So you can't expect me to believe whatever version is out there.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 8:59am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI & MrPresident1 answer these questions or forever remain silent:


1. Why wasn't Christmas mentioned in the Bible?

2. Why did St. Peter, St. Paul and all the authors of the New Testament not make reference to Christmas in the numerous letters they wrote to the churches?

3. How could shepherds be out with their sheep at night on Jesus' birthday if Jesus was born in winter?

4. Why did Christians wait till 336AD (over 300 years after Jesus' death) to celebrate their first Christmas?

5. Why did it take a Pagan (Emperor Constantine) to "remind" Christians to celebrate the most important day of their religion?




PS: You cannot quote Bible verses because the Bible actually has nothing to say about Christmas since the Bible was written long before Christmas (as we are made to believe).

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MrPresident1: 9:01am On Dec 23, 2018
Matthew 24:27
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


This is the coming of the SUN of GOD who is the son of man

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by kiddoiLL(m): 9:02am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


Stop saying a day belongs to a pagan god. Did the pagan god create any day?

You ask to know why it took almost that long before Christians started celebrating Christmas. Was immediately after Jesus ascended that everything about Christianity came into full picture? Even today, it is not everything about Christianity that has been fulfilled. We still have a lot in the book of revelations which are yet to be fulfilled.

Paul and Philip never mentioned Christmas. Guess what, they told us we are free to celebrate as long as the Bible doesn't warn against such celebration. So who are you to judge us when you are not our master?

Everyday belongs to God. Satan is only trying to steal what belongs to God. Remember how h boasted that he was going to be like God. He has since deceived humans into worshiping him like God. But God has since been talking back what belongs to him.

The Nimrod mentioned in the Bible is the Nimrod you liars try to pin this whole thing on. Ask everyone who believes December 25th was dedicated to Nimrod, they will tell you it's the same Biblical nimrod whom the Bible never mentioned him to be a bad guy. So you can't expect me to believe whatever version is out there.
You really don't know poo do you? You just go to church, come back, believe everything you hear and just live....
The Bible, have you ever seen Sunday down to Monday? ... are you even aware they had no names and God named them first day of the week down to the seventh day?? Are you aware Sunday down to Saturday are pagan oriented? Dude you have the net and encyclopedias, make use of them and stop making baseless arguments...You guys will read the Bible and just pick whatever you want and dump the rest

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MrPresident1: 9:03am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:
alBHAGDADI & MrPresident1 answer these questions or forever remain silent:


1. Why wasn't Christmas mentioned in the Bible?

2. Why did St. Peter, St. Paul and all the authors of the New Testament not make reference to Christmas in the numerous letters they wrote to the churches?

3. How could shepherds be out with their sheep at night on Jesus' birthday if Jesus was born in winter?

4. Why did Christians wait till 336AD (over 300 years after Jesus' death) to celebrate their first Christmas?

5. Why did it take a Pagan (Emperor Constantine) to "remind" Christians to celebrate the most important day of their religion?




PS: You cannot quote Bible verses because the Bible actually has nothing to say about Christmas since the Bible was written long before Christmas (as we are made to believe).

Look my friend, I told you something and you replied with a picture of sarcastic laughter. All that needs to be said has already been said, it is your duty to read them up

The Sun of GOD is coming.

https://www.nairaland.com/4703805/jesus-sun

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 9:05am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
No you didn't say it, I only made it known to you that the days of celebrations were changed and Christmas is pagan...so is Easter, you really don't know much do you? Have you searched the history behind Easter? Have you asked yourself why Easter is celebrated the same time and week as the feast of Passover and Unleavened bread in the Bible is being celebrated in Israel?? You really don't know the Festivals that God ordained do you?... You better make your research into history before you always say stuffs, I already showed you there Daniel chapter 7 says it all, how laws and times would be changed by man

You make claims without proof. Goodbye

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 9:07am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
You really don't know poo do you? You just go to church, come back, believe everything you hear and just live....
The Bible, have you ever seen Sunday down to Monday? ... are you even aware they had no names and God named them first day of the week down to the seventh day?? Are you aware Sunday down to Saturday are pagan oriented? Dude you have the net and encyclopedias, make use of them and stop making baseless arguments...You guys will read the Bible and just pick whatever you want and dump the rest

Because some days were ignorantly named after false gods, we should now stop living in them?

Look man, you have no argument, not one backed with the Bible.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:11am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


Stop saying a day belongs to a pagan god. Did the pagan god create any day?

You ask to know why it took almost that long before Christians started celebrating Christmas. Was immediately after Jesus ascended that everything about Christianity came into full picture? Even today, it is not everything about Christianity that has been fulfilled. We still have a lot in the book of revelations which are yet to be fulfilled.

Paul and Philip never mentioned Christmas. Guess what, they told us we are free to celebrate as long as the Bible doesn't warn against such celebration. So who are you to judge us when you are not our master?

Everyday belongs to God. Satan is only trying to steal what belongs to God. Remember how h boasted that he was going to be like God. He has since deceived humans into worshiping him like God. But God has since been talking back what belongs to him.

The Nimrod mentioned in the Bible is the Nimrod you liars try to pin this whole thing on. Ask everyone who believes December 25th was dedicated to Nimrod, they will tell you it's the same Biblical nimrod whom the Bible never mentioned him to be a bad guy. So you can't expect me to believe whatever version is out there.



1. So, you finally agree that Christmas was a human invention.

If Christmas came into existence in 336AD it means Jesus, Peter, Paul etc know nothing about it which makes it fabricated!

Simple.



2. You are free to celebrate? grin

Really?
So why don't you celebrate Eid El Kabir or No Bra Day too?

What's stopping you?



3. Where is proof that Satan boasted he will be like God?

Asides the Bible (a book which could be fictional), where else does this story exist?

Show us!




4. I do not want to "ask everyone". This isn't a debate of opinion - we are talking facts here.
I'm asking YOU.

And as I have corrected you earlier, Mithra, not Nimrod was the Roman Sun God as at when Christmas was created. His day of celebration was December 25th (long before Christmas came into existence).

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 9:14am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:
alBHAGDADI & MrPresident1 answer these questions or forever remain silent:


1. Why wasn't Christmas mentioned in the Bible?

2. Why did St. Peter, St. Paul and all the authors of the New Testament not make reference to Christmas in the numerous letters they wrote to the churches?

3. How could shepherds be out with their sheep at night on Jesus' birthday if Jesus was born in winter?

4. Why did Christians wait till 336AD (over 300 years after Jesus' death) to celebrate their first Christmas?

5. Why did it take a Pagan (Emperor Constantine) to "remind" Christians to celebrate the most important day of their religion?



PS: You cannot quote Bible verses because the Bible actually has nothing to say about Christmas since the Bible was written long before Christmas (as we are made to believe).

1. Why is your name not mentioned in the Bible?

2. They didn't, but they also didn't stop us from esteeming a day above others nor did they speak against christmas. So you have no right to condemn us.

3. Stop repeating trash. No one said for sure Jesus was born in winter even though it is possible.

4. That's cos Christians we're still trying to understand the new faith. That's why Paul had to write different letters to different cities teaching people how to behave in the new faith. Part of his words is that we can celebrate and esteem any day as we like.

5. Who told you it was Constantine that told Christians to celebrate Jesus birthday? Stop making false claims.

The Bible has a lot to say about Christmas. Read Luke 2 to see how angels celebrated and shepherds rejoiced at the news of his birth. It is the same celebration we are imitating.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by kiddoiLL(m): 9:21am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


You make claims without proof. Goodbye
Man STFU, this is from a Bible.... You Know nothing really, you just wake up and do everything you're told to do..Reference to my first post, why do you celebrate Easter same time Passover?? you don't know shít about all these pagan celebrations you people involve in and the real celebrations in the Bible, you ignore

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 9:24am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:



1. So, you finally agree that Christmas was a human invention.

If Christmas came into existence in 336AD it means Jesus, Peter, Paul etc know nothing about it which makes it fabricated!

Simple.



2. You are free to celebrate? grin

Really?
So why don't you celebrate Eid El Kabir or No Bra Day too?

What's stopping you?



3. Where is proof that Satan boasted he will be like God?

Asides the Bible (a book which could be fictional), where else does this story exist?

Show us!



4. I do not want to "ask everyone". This isn't a debate of opinion - we are talking facts here.
I'm asking YOU.

And as I have corrected you earlier, Mithra, not Nimrod was the Roman Sun God as at when Christmas was created. His day of celebration was December 25th (long before Christmas came into existence).

1. Yes, Christmas was a human invention. But is it all human inventions that are bad? Yes, we christians invented it because Jesus himself gave us the power to do so.

Mathew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

We have bound December 25th as a day for the celebration of Jesus. Heaven has also accepted our decision
We have also loosed the pagans from the deceit of Satan. Now they are celebrating Jesus instead of Satan. Or is it Satan's name we called on Christmas?

2. Eid El Kabir is not a Christian festival. Christmas is a Christian festival that's why we celebrate it. Pagans had their own celebration, but I ask, is it their god we celebrate on our own day? No. It is Jesus we celebrate.

3.

Isaiah's 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High

4. Nimrod has no day because he never created any day.

Please stop quoting me Mr Satanist.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:26am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


1. Why is your name not mentioned in the Bible?

2. They didn't, but they also didn't stop us from esteeming a day above others nor did they speak against christmas. So you have no right to condemn us.

3. Stop repeating trash. No one said for sure Jesus was born in winter even though it is possible.

4. That's cos Christians we're still trying to understand the new faith. That's why Paul had to write different letters to different cities teaching people how to behave in the new faith. Part of his words is that we can celebrate and esteem any day as we like.

5. Who told you it was Constantine that told Christians to celebrate Jesus birthday? Stop making false claims.

The Bible has a lot to say about Christmas. Read Luke 2 to see how angels celebrated and shepherds rejoiced at the news of his birth. It is the same celebration we are imitating.


1. Mr Man answer the question and stop deviating please


2. Keyword: "They didn't"... don't add any other thing for us. We don't need sermons.
This proves Christmas was man made


3. If you agree Jesus wasn't born in winter, it means you agree he wasn't born on December 25th.
Another proof that Christmas is man made



4. So Christians couldn't understand the most important day of their religion while the Apostles and the Holy Spirit was with them.
But they finally understood it after a pagan helped them choose a date.

God truly works in mysterious ways grin grin

Anyway, 3rd proof that Christmas is man made.



5. In 336AD, Emperor Constantine set December 25th as the official Christmas Day for the Roman Empire. It has remained so till this very day.

Constantine was a pagan but converted to Christianity on his deathbed and was declared a saint till this very day!

You have internet access and libraries - use them!

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 9:28am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
Man STFU, this is from a Bible.... You Know nothing really, you just wake up and do everything you're told to do..Reference to my first post, why do you celebrate Easter same time Passover?? you don't know shít about all these pagan celebrations you people involve in and the real celebrations in the Bible, you ignore
Don't you know that it was around Passover Jesus was crucified?

What stupid book are you showing me in the picture? Didn't you read where I stated in the OP that we are not to trust Jewish books because they are Antichrist?

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by dingbang(m): 9:29am On Dec 23, 2018
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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by chloride6: 9:30am On Dec 23, 2018
See two fighting up there...

grin grin grin grin grin

Is Christmas a human intervention? Yes

What you choose to celebrate in December is your business.

For me, Christmas isnt even about the birth of Christ...

I have also forgotten Jesus was allegedly born on Dec 25.

December na time to flex, relax, see friends and family, and plan for the new year..

Every Mallam with him Kettle.

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