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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by achorladey: 4:55pm On Jan 08
Peacefullove:

I was making a point, why running away from it ?


Is birthday celebration which Xmas represent, among the pure worship of the Jews ? Hello, why does your Bible not make any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians ?


Diverting as usual, you are not an expert at this.

Will that apply to Gay and Lesbianism which your bible frowns at ? Should we agree Sex before marriage is good as well ? Cos it is okay in many areas ... When you answer me ... , we will see if that can as well support xmas ( Birthday celebratio considering the way it's referenced in your Bible.


Am awaiting



Peacefullove: I was making a point, why running away from it ?

Achorladey: Good for you to do so.

Peacefullove: Is birthday celebration which Xmas represent, among the pure worship of the Jews ?

Achorladey: Is Festival of dedication celebrated by the jews among the pure worship of the Jews? Was it part of the numerous festival contained in the Mosaic law?


Peacefullove: Hello, why does your Bible not make any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians?

Achorladey: Your question I cannot respond to as Achorladey is not one of the Bible writers.


Peacefullove: Diverting as usual, you are not an expert at this.

Achorladey: You started by saying encyclopedias sources, what is my problem with Encyclopedia sources, you went ahead to state you want to use it to make a point, fine make your point, if you feel I am diverting go back to my initial post on this issue to see what is contained in there. Was it in support or against the CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION. GO BACK and CHECK.

Peacfullove: Will that apply to Gay and Lesbianism which your bible frowns at? Should we agree Sex before marriage is good as well ? Cos it is okay in
many areas ...

Achorladey: I know you are familiar 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Now you see the emphatic Bible viewpoints on all of the things you highlighted above.

How these (gay, lesbianism e. t. c.) relates to CHRISTMAS celebratiion is what I will want you to isolate?

Don't forget......... understandably, OPINIONS may vary from one place to another. HENCE, IT IS WISE TO AVOID TURNING SUCH MATTERS INTO BIG ISSUES(be it PINATAS, GAY, LESBIANISM, CHRISTMAS, BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS, e. t. c) .” Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24 Does this apply or not?

Peacefullove: When you answer me...

Achorladey: The response is available to you.

Peacefullove: we will see if that can as well support xmas ( Birthday celebration considering the way it's referenced in your Bible.

Achorladey: I will be waiting for your response same way you had done for mine regarding the way birthday celebrations is referenced in the Bible.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 5:10pm On Jan 08
Peacefullove:

I was making a point, why running away from it ?


Is birthday celebration which Xmas represent, among the pure worship of the Jews ? Hello, why does your Bible not make any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians ?


Diverting as usual, you are not an expert at this.

Will that apply to Gay and Lesbianism which your bible frowns at ? Should we agree Sex before marriage is good as well ? Cos it is okay in many areas ... When you answer me ... , we will see if that can as well support xmas ( Birthday celebratio considering the way it's referenced in your Bible.


Am awaiting



So since bible did not make any any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians, peacefullove and his colleagues want to assume that it means Christmas is bad.

But we know bible was silent on this Christmas or birthday issue o. Bible never said birthday was bad even though it mentioned herod and pharaoh celebrating o and in the celebrations respectively john the Baptist and the baker were killed.

Another thing bible told us was pharaoh pardoned the cupbearer and the cupbearer told pharaoh about Joseph whom he later made governor.

Going by peacefullove and his colleagues assumptions celebrating birthday is good too cause it can lead to someone being pardoned and God blessing someone in return due to birthday.

You guys just think everyone in the world is daft right?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by achorladey: 5:12pm On Jan 08
Jozzy4:

following keenly to see how he answers that. For the records , that Awake article is a misquote, it discussed a tradition called Pinata., used in many occasions, so the article said what he quote just because it Also states "In fact, piñatas are used in Mexico on many festive occasions, not just for the posadas or for birthdays. And piñatas can be purchased in many forms other than the traditional star shape. They are sometimes made to resemble animals, flowers, clowns." https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102003687 . that's the link to read full article

So people use it in many occasion, graduation , marriage or all other you can think of .. Not always religious, so that is why the Awake state that point.

For Awake response to those who try to misquote like that liar just did. See this link
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200276790/1/0 . totally different from birthdays which the Bible reference only to pagans like you also stated.

Peace bro.


Piñatas I read with interest the article “The Piñata​—An Ancient Tradition.” (September 22, 2003) It left me with some questions. The ties to FALSE RELIGION are well-documented. But the article seemed to take the position that as long as it doesn’t bother someone’s conscience, it is OK. What about birthdays and holidays such as Christmas?
S. W., United States


“Awake!” responds: Christians refrain from any celebrations or customs that continue to involve false religious beliefs or activities that VIOLATE BIBLE PRINCIPLES. For example, the Bible definitely puts birthday celebrations in a bad light. ( Genesis 40:20; Matthew 14:6-10 ) However, if it is very obvious that a custom has no current false religious significance and involves no violation of BIBLE PRINCIPLES, each CHRISTIAN must make a PERSONAL DECISION as to whether he will follow such a CUSTOM.

That's the link you refer us to brother, As regards being a LIAR. Na you SABI. After you na you.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 5:44pm On Jan 08
Peacefullove:

I was making a point, why running away from it ?


Is birthday celebration which Xmas represent, among the pure worship of the Jews ? Hello, why does your Bible not make any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians ?


Diverting as usual, you are not an expert at this.

Will that apply to Gay and Lesbianism which your bible frowns at ? Should we agree Sex before marriage is good as well ? Cos it is okay in many areas ... When you answer me ... , we will see if that can as well support xmas ( Birthday celebratio considering the way it's referenced in your Bible.


Am awaiting



When it gets to gay and lesbianism you say Bible frowns at it but when it gets to birthday and Christmas you say encyclopedias frown at it. Na wa o.

Is it that watchtower organization told you guys to put your assumptions that are never mentioned in the Bible side by side with laws mentioned in the Bible so your assumptions can be accepted by gullible people?

I don't understand. You need to hide in shame o. See your comparison sef it's really disturbing. You sound desperate sef.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 6:27pm On Jan 08
Peacefullove:

I was making a point, why running away from it ?


Is birthday celebration which Xmas represent, among the pure worship of the Jews ? Hello, why does your Bible not make any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians ?


Diverting as usual, you are not an expert at this.

Will that apply to Gay and Lesbianism which your bible frowns at ? Should we agree Sex before marriage is good as well ? Cos it is okay in many areas ... When you answer me ... , we will see if that can as well support xmas ( Birthday celebratio considering the way it's referenced in your Bible.


Am awaiting


Peacefullove is saying that Christians should view gay , lesbianism and sex before marriage as not OK because the bible said so.
Peacefullove is also saying that Christians should view Christmas and birthday celebrations as not OK because Encyclopedias confirm that disciples viewed birthday celebration which Xmas is all about as dirty.

Peacefullove wants us to accept encyclopedias views on beliefs or laws not mentioned in the Bible.

In conclusion, the reason peacefullove is giving for Christmas being bad/pagan is because encyclopedias confirmed that birthday celebration is dirty and Christmas is celebration of jesus Christ birthday is also dirty.

These people just think say we be mumu sha.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by EdifiedHebrew: 9:14pm On Jan 08
alBHAGDADI:



Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  

As a Christian, you are not to listen to the Jews or read their religious books other than you reading the Bible. The Jews have been rejected by God because they rejected Jesus Christ. I now wonder why anyone would be expecting me to abandon the celebration of the birth of Jesus my Lord and Savior simply because a book written by Christ rejecting Jews made false claims about Jesus. 

Do you also know that the Talmud of the Jews says that Jesus real father was a Roman soldier named Pantera who slept with Mary? Is that the same book who wrote lies about Nimrod and Jesus that you want to dump Christmas because of? The Jews are antichrists because their religion of Judaism rejects Jesus as the son of God, a thing which the Bible says qualifies one as an Antichrist.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

It is pretty clear why those Jews cooked up shady stories which many are now using to attack the celebration of Christmas. The birth of Jesus, which we celebrate on Christmas day, is a declaration that Judaism, the practice and religion of the Jews, is no longer valid. The birth of Jesus Christ put and end to their believe, that's why they are annoyed. It's silly for you bring the Nimrod information from people whom the Bible calls antichrists and expect me to receive it.

Once again, all those people who try to force you to do what is not written in the Bible which is the word of God, are actually teaching their man-made commandments and trying to make it the doctrines of God. They tell you not to celebrate Christmas but can't show you were God said so in the Bible.


Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.  

December 25th may have been dedicated to the worship of a false god which I believe the people of those days were influenced by Satan to do such. But many of such people have today come to the realization of the true God and have turned that day into the celebration of him. Satan doesn't own any day because he never created one. All days were created by God and so it is not a bad thing picking any of those days to celebrate the birth of his son who came to save us from our sins. Since all days belong to God our father, what Christians of old did was repossess their father's possession and made it holy. It is the same thing that happens when a demon is driven out of an individual and the Holy Spirit enters into the individual to dwell. You can't tell me that such individual is still demonic, because demons can't reside where the Holy Spirit resides.

All those who say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because December 25th was dedicated to a false god are just hypocrites. Got to their house, you will find a calendar on their wall, and this calendar contains days and months named after false gods. Examples are January dedicated to the false god Janus, Thursday dedicated to Thor, Saturday dedicated to Saturn etc. Are we now to stop existing on each of these days because some ignorant people dedicated them to false and weak gods? If those anti-christmas people say they don't have a calendar at home because they know it contains pagan names, don't they have a calendar app in the phones? Maybe they should throw their phones away because they are walking about with paganism. Apostle Paul said we can eat anything dedicated to gods and put it inside our belly. Any day dedicated to a false god can be taken by we Christians and dedicate it to the true God who created days.

Now, is there anything wrong with celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, eating food with family on that day, exchanging gifts, singing Christmas Carol that most times quote Bible verses etc? There is nothing wrong at all. And for someone to sit somewhere and say Christmas is a wicked festival, I ask, what is wicked about all I listed above? Whoever says we are committing sin for celebrating the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ is a false accuser.


3. Christmas tree is pagan


I'll borrow a quote from Pastor Steven Anderson's sermon on the subject. Read below.


If you still think that Christmas trees are bad, then go right ahead, but let's at least look at the facts tonight, and that's all I want to do, is present the biblical facts tonight. In Jeremiah, Chapter 10, Verse 1, the Bible says, "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O House of Israel. Thus sayeth the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain, for one cut of the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the ax, they deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Right now is where the anti-Christmas people stop reading, and they just take these couple of verses out of context. They stop reading, and they just take Verse 3 and 4, and they say, "Look, it is a vain, heathen custom to cut down a tree," okay, "And to deck it with silver and gold, and to fasten it with nails and hammers." Here's what they say. They say that's what you're doing when you decorate a Christmas tree. They say you've cut down a tree, and you're basically decking it with gold and silver, and they're saying because you put a gold and a silver ornament on it. Okay, that's their view. That is not what this scripture is talking about. If you stop reading right there, you could use that to convince people of your point, but that's not what it's really about, because keep reading.

Look at Verse 5. It says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not. They must needs be borne because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil. Neither also is it in them to do good. For as much as there is none like unto thee, O Lord." 

Stop. What this is talking about, and I'm going to prove it to you from the rest of the chapter, this is talking about cutting down a tree in the forest, and carving it into an idol that is silver or gold plated. When the Bible says that it is decked with gold and silver, that is not saying hanging a silver ball on it. When you deck something over with silver, okay, you are covering it with silver. For example, the deck on your house. Your house might have a deck, okay? It's a covering, is what that means. What the Bible is saying here is that they're carving it into an idol, because look, in Verse 5, he says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not."

Look, nobody thinks that a Christmas tree can speak, or walk, or do good or evil, because it's a tree, right? There are people who carve a tree into an idol of a false god, and they think that that false god can speak, or walk, or do these things, okay? Keep reading. Jump down if you would to Verse 8. It says, "But they are altogether brutish and foolish. The stock," okay, talking about basically the stump of the tree that's being carved, "Is a doctrine of vanities." Watch. Silver spread into plates. Look. Is this a round, silver ornament hanging on the tree? Is this a silver garland? No. It's what I said. It's silver spread into plates, because it's being silver plated, or gold plated, okay? It says, "Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder." Okay?

Jump down to Verse 14. It says, "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the" what? Graven image. "For his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in him. They are vanity." Look, you can't just take two verses out of context. You have to read the whole chapter. This whole chapter is talking about the same subject. Notice the same words are being used. Look at Verse 3, okay? If you have a pen, you may want to underline a few key words here, okay? In Verse 3, the Bible says, "The customs of the people are" what? Vain, and then it says they cut down a tree, right? Okay, now if you jump down to where he's talking about the graven image, he says in Verse 15, "They are vanity."

Okay, so what is vain? He says, it's vain to cut down a tree and deck it with gold and silver, and think that it can walk, or talk, or do anything. It's not like the true God. It's a false god. Later on, he says that these graven images or molten images are vain. They are vanity. Okay, he's talking about the same thing. Up earlier, he said in Verse 9, silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman at the hands of the founder. See the word "founder?" Jump down to verse 14. "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the graven image." If you look at this chapter, there's a continuity of thought here. We are on the same subject in Verse 14 that we were in Verse 3. He's going on and on about the fact that they are carving idols out of wood.

What does it mean to grave, to engrave something? If I brought in something to an artisan, and said, "I want this engraved," they're going to carve my name into it, or they're going to carve some kind of wording into it. Okay. What is molten? Molten comes from the word melting. You melt down metal. You melt silver. You melt gold. A graven image is an image that is carved of wood. A molten image is an image that is made of molten metal, okay, and what he's saying here is that they are carving a wooden idol, and then overlaying it, decking it, with molten gold and silver, and they believe that it is like unto the God of Israel. You know what? People today will often compare the God of the Bible to other gods. They'll say, "You know, why should I believe the God of the Bible any more than I believe in the god of Islam, or Buddha, or whatever?"

There's no God like unto the true God, and the idol is vanity. It can't talk. It has to be carried, and God makes it clear He never wants us to make any image of Him. Does the Bible specifically prohibit graven and molten images? Oh, yeah. It's one of the ten commandments. "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image." Okay, so there's no question that graven images and molten images are sinful. That matches perfectly with what Jeremiah 10 is teaching, preaching against graven and molten images. To sit there and say, "This is a Christmas tree," and people will even say, "A Christmas tree is a graven image." Let me ask you something. Where's the engraving? Where is it carved? In what way, shape, or form is it carved in any way? Answer me that.

It is just a tree. You brought the tree, and you put it in the house. There's no carving. Nothing has been molten or melted. Look, it's not an image. What's an image? It's something that's made like unto an animal, or a human, or an angel, or a god. Okay, but hold on a second. They'll say, "Well," and go to Isaiah, Chapter 60. They'll say, "Well, you know, okay. It's not a graven image. You got me, Pastor Anderson." Look, can anybody actually say that a Christmas tree is a graven image when it has zero graving and zero molten? Okay, no. They just say, "Yeah, but Jeremiah 10 said not to do it." No, because we read the whole chapter, and it was clear that the tree that they're cutting down in the forest becomes a graven image.

Cutting down trees is not wrong, unless you're part of the Environmental Protection Agency or something. I don't see how you could say there's anything wrong with going into the forest and cutting down a tree, okay? The sin wasn't cutting down the tree. The sin was then graving the tree, carving the tree into an idol, and overlaying it with gold and silver that it might be worshiped.


To conclude this article, I'll say there is nothing wrong in chosen not to celebrate Christmas just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating it. The only wrong found is when those who don't celebrate it start trying to impose their idea on others as if it is a commandment of God when such is not written in the Bible.


Let me explain the below passage so you will understand fully.


Romans 14

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

This is talking about a vegan/vegetarian and people who eat meat and all things.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

The above says he that eats all things should not despise the one who doesn't. Also the one who doesn't should not judge the one who does.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

The above says we are not to judge each other because we are all servants of God. Our master is the one to judge us. You might says, what has this got to do with Christmas. Just keep reading.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

As seems above, it is good to esteem every day in the same manner. Also it is not a bad thing to esteem one day above others just as we esteem December 25th above other days. Verse 6 says he that regards a certain day regards it unto God and he that doesn't regard it does the same unto God.

Ladies and gentlemen, don't let anybody tell you Christmas is a pagan festival. It is not a pagan god we celebrate when we celebrate Jesus who is the reason for the season. It is not a pagan god's story we read when we read Luke 2 from the Bible on Christmas day. If they try to lie to you, show them this article which I will advise you to bookmark because these people will still come around next year with the same lies.

And please don't forget to send me a Christmas gift. PM Now grin


Christmas is a complete pagan custom. and you gave a wrong interpretation of Jeremiah 10:1 - 5. in 90's most churches decked idols with gold & silver and called it the manger. because the truth has been known they remove it.

Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus christ was born on Passover.
Exodus 12: 1 - 11 & Exodus 13: 3 - 5. COLOSSIANS 2: 14 - 17.

LUKE 2: 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.


43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

JOHN 18: 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robbe
r.

1 CORINTHIANS 5: 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Please stop bearing false witness against Yahawashi Hamasciach. EXODUS 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Yahawah Bahasham Yahawashi Hamasciach hate your christmas day n new year january for Janus the Roman n Greek god.

AMOS 5: 20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves
.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:19pm On Jan 08
EdifiedHebrew:
Christmas is a complete pagan custom. and you gave a wrong interpretation of Jeremiah 10:1 - 5. in 90's most churches decked idols with gold & silver and called it the manger. because the truth has been known they remove it.

Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus christ was born on Passover.
Exodus 12: 1 - 11 & Exodus 13: 3 - 5. COLOSSIANS 2: 14 - 17.

LUKE 2: 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.


43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

JOHN 18: 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robbe
r.

1 CORINTHIANS 5: 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Please stop bearing false witness against Yahawashi Hamasciach. EXODUS 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Yahawah Bahasham Yahawashi Hamasciach hate your christmas day n new year january for Janus the Roman n Greek god.

AMOS 5: 20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves
.

So you have to assume that Christmas is a pagan custom right? So celebrating the birth of Christ is now a pagan custom abi?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Peacefullove: 7:59am On Jan 09
achorladey:


Peacefullove: I was making a point, why running away from it ?

Achorladey: Good for you to do so.

Address that Encyclopedia view of birthdays celebration !!!



Peacefullove: Is birthday celebration which Xmas represent, among the pure worship of the Jews ?

Achorladey: Is Festival of dedication celebrated by the jews among the pure worship of the Jews? Was it part of the numerous festival contained in the Mosaic law?

Oh, I didn't know
I thought its Pagan nations that celebrate it ? grin grin so daft

I checked Encyclopedia Britannica and it associated it with the Jews, no trace of pagan custom or influence. But the same Encyclopedia when talking about birthday celebration made reference to it as a pagan custom.


It comments " . In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus ... the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices. " Source - Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Why is your bible supporting this encyclopedia by citing only the birthdays of pagans ?



Peacefullove: Hello, why does your Bible not make any reference to Jewish birthday celebration as it did Egyptians?

Achorladey: Your question I cannot respond to as Achorladey is not one of the Bible writers.

Don't be an idiot.
The answer is in the encyclopedia above





Peacefullove: Diverting as usual, you are not an expert at this.

Achorladey: You started by saying encyclopedias sources, what is my problem with Encyclopedia sources, you went ahead to state you want to use it to make a point, fine make your point, if you feel I am diverting go back to my initial post on this issue to see what is contained in there. Was it in support or against the CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION. GO BACK and CHECK.

You don't.have.what it takes to argue intelligently

Respond to.why your Bible support that encyclopedia view by referencing only pagans with birthdays ?

And if your Dundee head thinks the encyclopedia is lying. Present your source grin gringrin too many trolls on NL


Peacfullove: Will that apply to Gay and Lesbianism which your bible frowns at? Should we agree Sex before marriage is good as well ? Cos it is okay in
many areas ...



Achorladey: I know you are familiar 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Now you see the emphatic Bible viewpoints on all of the things you highlighted above.


How these (gay, lesbianism e. t. c.) relates to CHRISTMAS celebratiion is what I will want you to isolate?


Dundee grin grin

The quote I challenged said : it doesn't matter how the practiced is viewed hundreds of years ago, so don't use what happened in times past to judge. Is Gay and Lesbianism accepted in America [u] as a case study [/u)] ? Is an 18 year old free to have sex even if unmarried ?


Will the above make it proper in America according to your earlier quote ?


Don't forget......... understandably, OPINIONS may vary from one place to another. HENCE, IT IS WISE TO AVOID TURNING SUCH MATTERS INTO BIG ISSUES(be it PINATAS, GAY, LESBIANISM, CHRISTMAS, BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS, e. t. c) .” Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24 Does this apply or not?

Peacefullove: When you answer me...

Achorladey: The response is available to you.

Peacefullove: we will see if that can as well support xmas ( Birthday celebration considering the way it's referenced in your Bible.

Achorladey: I will be waiting for your response same way you had done for mine regarding the way birthday celebrations is referenced in the Bible.


grin grin troll
According to the bracket, practicing Gay and lesbianism in a place like US and Canada is PROPER and should not be made an issue ?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Peacefullove: 8:04am On Jan 09
Hairyrapunzel:


So you have to assume that Christmas is a pagan custom right? So celebrating the birth of Christ is now a pagan custom abi?

U see when people with brain are discussing, you shouldn't show face .


Why was Celebration of anyone's birth OPPOSED in the first two centuries of Christianity ?

Why did your Bible support their stance by recording the birthday of pagans ?

I know you don't have sense, so your reply is not anticipated. grin
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by EdifiedHebrew: 8:18am On Jan 09
Hairyrapunzel:


So you have to assume that Christmas is a pagan custom right? So celebrating the birth of Christ is now a pagan custom abi?
Read those verses for proper understanding. Stop worshipping satan, stop encouraging people to worship satan n other host of heavens.

1 Thessalonians 5: 19 Quench not the Spirit.

20 Despise not prophesyings.

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.


23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ was born in the month of Abib (Feast Of Passover) so stop telling lies, december 25th is the birth day of Tarmmuz not the birth day of Yahawashi Hamasciach.

if someone change your birthday will you accept it?.

the churches has no power to change Yahawashi Hamasciach birthday.

DANIEL 7: 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

PSALMS 119: 4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.

99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.

100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.


102 I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.

103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.


106 I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:13am On Jan 09
EdifiedHebrew:
Read those verses for proper understanding. Stop worshipping satan, stop encouraging people to worship satan n other host of heavens.

1 Thessalonians 5: 19 Quench not the Spirit.

20 Despise not prophesyings.

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.


23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ was born in the month of Abib (Feast Of Passover) so stop telling lies, december 25th is the birth day of Tarmmuz not the birth day of Yahawashi Hamasciach.

if someone change your birthday will you accept it?.

the churches has no power to change Yahawashi Hamasciach birthday.

DANIEL 7: 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

PSALMS 119: 4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.

99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.

100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.


102 I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.

103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.


106 I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

So celebration of birth of Jesus Christ is now worshipping Satan according to your assumptions right?

It's still your assumption cause you pull out verses and speculate when none of the verses say such.

Last last na assume you dey assume.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:20am On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


U see when people with brain are discussing, you shouldn't show face .


Why was Celebration of anyone's birth OPPOSED in the first two centuries of Christianity ?

Why did your Bible support their stance by recording the birthday of pagans ?

I know you don't have sense, so your reply is not anticipated. grin


Show us the bible verse shikena. See someone that has sense forcing us to believe what encyclopedias written by uninspired people whom he considers evil, pagan, unrighteous and wicked people wrote say. Lol

You really think we are daft.

Show us bible verse that condemns celebration of birthdays or Christmas?

I know. You will Still not find one. It's only watchtower magazine you will see it from their invisible encyclopedias.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by EdifiedHebrew: 10:32am On Jan 09
Hairyrapunzel:


So celebration of birth of Jesus Christ is now worshipping Satan according to your assumptions right?

It's still your assumption cause you pull out verses and speculate when none of the verses say such.

Last last na assume you dey assume.


Nothing like Assumption . I gave you facts from the scriptures on the day he was born. The same date he was born, was the same date he was crucified. (FEAST OF PASSOVER in April).

the feast of Passover is not in the winter equinox, the Passover is coming up in the Spring equinox. which is called the rebirth of the earth and the original new year declared by the most high in the bible Exodus 12: 1-11, Exodus 13: 3 - 5.

JOHN 5: 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

JOHN 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Don't believe as your wicked Popes, Bishops, Priests, Pastors & General overseers said rather believe as the SCRIPTURES said.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:33am On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


Address that Encyclopedia view of birthdays celebration !!!



Oh, I didn't know
I thought its Pagan nations that celebrate it ? grin grin so daft

I checked Encyclopedia Britannica and it associated it with the Jews, no trace of pagan custom or influence. But the same Encyclopedia when talking about birthday celebration made reference to it as a pagan custom.


It comments " . In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus ... the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices. " Source - Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Why is your bible supporting this encyclopedia by citing only the birthdays of pagans ?


Don't be an idiot.
The answer is in the encyclopedia above



You don't.have.what it takes to argue intelligently

Respond to.why your Bible support that encyclopedia view by referencing only pagans with birthdays ?

And if your Dundee head thinks the encyclopedia is lying. Present your source grin gringrin too many trolls on NL



Dundee grin grin

The quote I challenged said : it doesn't matter how the practiced is viewed hundreds of years ago, so don't use what happened in times past to judge. Is Gay and Lesbianism accepted in America [u] as a case study [/u)] ? Is an 18 year old free to have sex even if unmarried ?


Will the above make it proper in America according to your earlier quote ?



grin grin troll
According to the bracket, practicing Gay and lesbianism in a place like US and Canada is PROPER and should not be made an issue ?

He should address what encyclopedias say when you can provide one bible verse to prove you doctrine lol.

Encyclopedias say wedding anniversary, suit, tie, wedding ring, bridal shower, baby shower, days of the week, months of the year are pagan practices and early Christians or apostles viewed them as dirty.

Will you say it's OK to do and wear all these things today because they are now accepted?

Encyclopedia sef shame no let you quote your source cause it's actually a lie.


Let me give you a shocker.
On Gay and lesbianism, Bible condemns such practices. So practices in certain countries do not change bible stance on it.

On Christmas and birthday celebration Bible doesn't say anything about it so practicing it isn't a problem except you want us to start practicing only what encyclopedias say in that case we would refrain from doing anything early Christians were speculated not to do in encyclopedias.

Whether you like o move from pillar to post to prove that encyclopedias showed early Christians viewed birthdays as dirty so we should follow what encyclopedias say na you know.

What I know is we ain't daft. Shame no let you provide Bible verse that says Christians viewed birthdays as dirty. You should hide in shame.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:37am On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


Address that Encyclopedia view of birthdays celebration !!!



Oh, I didn't know
I thought its Pagan nations that celebrate it ? grin grin so daft

I checked Encyclopedia Britannica and it associated it with the Jews, no trace of pagan custom or influence. But the same Encyclopedia when talking about birthday celebration made reference to it as a pagan custom.


It comments " . In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus ... the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices. " Source - Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Why is your bible supporting this encyclopedia by citing only the birthdays of pagans ?


Don't be an idiot.
The answer is in the encyclopedia above



You don't.have.what it takes to argue intelligently

Respond to.why your Bible support that encyclopedia view by referencing only pagans with birthdays ?

And if your Dundee head thinks the encyclopedia is lying. Present your source grin gringrin too many trolls on NL



Dundee grin grin

The quote I challenged said : it doesn't matter how the practiced is viewed hundreds of years ago, so don't use what happened in times past to judge. Is Gay and Lesbianism accepted in America [u] as a case study [/u)] ? Is an 18 year old free to have sex even if unmarried ?


Will the above make it proper in America according to your earlier quote ?



grin grin troll
According to the bracket, practicing Gay and lesbianism in a place like US and Canada is PROPER and should not be made an issue ?

You claim to follow Bible whereas na encyclopedia brittanica you dey quote as the source of your doctrine. Shame on you.

You want us to view gay and lesbianism as bad because Bible says so yet you also want us to view Christmas and birthday as bad because encyclopedia brittanica said so. Shey I once told you that you are cunning and deceitful?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by EdifiedHebrew: 10:46am On Jan 09
TATIME:
By GRACE! Hmmmmmmmmm
So a Christian can choose to celebrate festivals that's not found anywhere in the history of God's loyal worshippers ( not even found in the life and ministry of Jesus Himself) and still claim to be under the GRACE!
I thought GRACE means (underserved kindness) shown to Adam's descendants for STRICTLY following Jesus' footsteps since all have come short of God's glory through Adam's sin! undecided undecided
Maybe you're saying GRACE means adding Jesus' name to WHATEVER people decides to do and His name will turn what is abominable to acceptable before God!
christainity under grace to worship satan and do nonscence.
ROMANS 6: 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


ROMANS 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

ROMANS 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:46am On Jan 09
EdifiedHebrew:
Nothing like Assumption . I gave you facts from the scriptures on the day he was born. The same date he was born, was the same date he was crucified. (FEAST OF PASSOVER in April).

the feast of Passover is not in the winter equinox, the Passover is coming up in the Spring equinox. which is called the rebirth of the earth and the original new year declared by the most high in the bible Exodus 12: 1-11, Exodus 13: 3 - 5.

JOHN 5: 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

JOHN 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Don't believe as your wicked Popes, Bishops, Priests, Pastors & General overseers said rather believe as the SCRIPTURES said.

Which facts? Show me the bible verse that condemns celebration of birthdays and Christmas?

Or is it not in the Bible?
Or show me where Jesus, jehovah or the apostles condemned pharaoh or herod for celebrating birthday?

When you see the bible passages let me know rather put it here let's see. We are waiting.

You think you will just make assumptions and we will believe because we are gullible?
Haba. It's not all religions that forbid independent/critical thinking like your own o.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 10:48am On Jan 09
EdifiedHebrew:

christainity under grace to worship satan and do nonscence.
ROMANS 6: 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

You that is worshipping God cannot show us bible passages where God condemned birthday or Christmas celebrations or viewed it as dirty.

Lol. You people must provide Bible verse o.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by EdifiedHebrew: 10:54am On Jan 09
Hairyrapunzel:


You that is worshipping God cannot show us bible passages where God condemned birthday or Christmas celebrations or viewed it as dirty.

Lol. You people must provide Bible verse o.
i did not mention birthday, am emphasing on christmas.

by the way i have shown you scriptures when Yahawashi Hamasciach was born, so why are you bearing false witness against his birth day ( FEAST OF PASSOVER in April)
if someone changed your birthday to another date will you accept it?

nobody and no church has the power to change the birthday of Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ from April to december. from spring equinox to winter equinox ok.....

JEREMIAH 10:
1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
(the churches before during christmas decked idols with silver & gold with palm trees and they called it the manger. true or false?) my dear This is where christmas originated from. it is the modern version of this evil customs christains are doing through their evil doctrines.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 12:33pm On Jan 09
EdifiedHebrew:
i did not mention birthday, am emphasing on christmas.

by the way i have shown you scriptures when Yahawashi Hamasciach was born, so why are you bearing false witness against his birth day ( FEAST OF PASSOVER in April)
if someone changed your birthday to another date will you accept it?

nobody and no church has the power to change the birthday of Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ from April to december. from spring equinox to winter equinox ok.....

JEREMIAH 10:
1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
(the churches before during christmas decked idols with silver & gold with palm trees and they called it the manger. true or false?) my dear This is where christmas originated from. it is the modern version of this evil customs christains are doing through their evil doctrines.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

So you are still struggling to provide the bible verse where jehovah, Jesus Christ, apostles or early Christians condemned pharaoh or herod for celebrating birthday.

Quote the bible verse or is it so difficult? or no bible verse mentions such?

We are patiently waiting.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 12:41pm On Jan 09
EdifiedHebrew:
i did not mention birthday, am emphasing on christmas.

by the way i have shown you scriptures when Yahawashi Hamasciach was born, so why are you bearing false witness against his birth day ( FEAST OF PASSOVER in April)
if someone changed your birthday to another date will you accept it?

nobody and no church has the power to change the birthday of Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ from April to december. from spring equinox to winter equinox ok.....

JEREMIAH 10:
1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
(the churches before during christmas decked idols with silver & gold with palm trees and they called it the manger. true or false?) my dear This is where christmas originated from. it is the modern version of this evil customs christains are doing through their evil doctrines.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Let's go to Christmas then.

Show us the bible verse where jehovah, Jesus, disciples or early Christians condemned celebration of the birth of Christ.


Show us the bible verse that said early Christians didn't celebrate the birth of Christ or Christmas

I ain't letting you off the hook. You must provide at least one Bible verse.

It's one thing to assume and its another thing to insult people for not believing your assumptions.

You are calling Christians who celebrate Christmas Satan worshippers. Now show us where bible said those who choose to celebrate birth of Jesus Christ are Satan worshippers?

I know you will never see any bible passage but you must provide one. Because for you to tag them Satan worshippers you should be able to provide a bible verse where it was said that those who celebrated the birth of Jesus Christ are Satan worshippers. Shikena
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Peacefullove: 12:56pm On Jan 09
Hairyrapunzel:


You really think we are daft.

Show us bible verse that condemns celebration of birthdays or Christmas?

And u are really daft, quoted me two or three times Yet failed woefully to answer my question, Like I said sense is not for you, if you had sense you would have questioned why your Bible supported that encyclopedia by mentioning only the birthdays of pagans


If that encyclopedia. Was wrong, there would have been instances of Jews or Christian's celebrating their birthdays which is what xmas is all about . No single instance except pagans, yet your brain didn't see the encyclopedia supported the bible .
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 12:56pm On Jan 09
EdifiedHebrew:
i did not mention birthday, am emphasing on christmas.

by the way i have shown you scriptures when Yahawashi Hamasciach was born, so why are you bearing false witness against his birth day ( FEAST OF PASSOVER in April)
if someone changed your birthday to another date will you accept it?

nobody and no church has the power to change the birthday of Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ from April to december. from spring equinox to winter equinox ok.....

JEREMIAH 10:
1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
(the churches before during christmas decked idols with silver & gold with palm trees and they called it the manger. true or false?) my dear This is where christmas originated from. it is the modern version of this evil customs christains are doing through their evil doctrines.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

So you have to assume that Jeremiah is referring to Christmas tree abi?

You even have to put your assumptions right after the bible verse you quoted. Let me now give you a shocker.

Christmas tree is made of plastic or cut from a real plant, Christmas trees can be moved, They are not nailed or hammered to the ground. They are removed after festive periods, the decorations are made of plastic. Nobody worships or bows to a Christmas tree.
Green and red is Christmas colour. It's a decoration
Not an idol.

At the end of the day you are assuming. You want to force Christmas tree to become the idol Jeremiah talked about.

We make use of our brains o don't think that because independent thinking is forbidden in your organization that means everyone shouldn't use their brains.

I am still waiting for the bible verse that said that Christmas and birthday was condemned by jehovah, Jesus Christ or the apostles.

Show us where Jesus Christ or Jehovah condemned herod or pharaoh for celebrating birthday.

Show us where jehovah or Jesus Christ or the apostles condemned people for celebrating when jesus Christ was born.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 1:05pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


And u are really daft, quoted me two or three times Yet failed woefully to answer my question, Like I said sense is not for you, if you had sense you would have questioned why your Bible supported that encyclopedia by mentioning only the birthdays of pagans


If that encyclopedia. Was wrong, there would have been instances of Jews or Christian's celebrating their birthdays which is what xmas is all about . No single instance except pagans, yet your brain didn't see the encyclopedia supported the bible .



Na you know. Show us the bible verse that said that Christmas or birthday celebration was condemned by jehovah or Jesus or apostles

I know you are already angry to see that someone has spotted your cunning nature. For gay and lesbianism you reference bible for Christmas and birthday being dirty you reference encyclopedias.

Sorry I ain't daft.
If you are right bible would have stated Christmas and birthday celebration were dirty.

Encyclopedias brittanica didn't mention apostles or early Christians celebrating birthday or Christmas does it mean that Jesus or Jehovah condemned it?

That the Early Christians or apostles viewed birthdays as dirty in encyclopedia brittanica does it mean that Jesus or Jehovah condemned it?

You feel you are smart or you have sense. You don't know that you are very foolish and daft.

To get your point across on gay and lesbianism you use bible as reference whereas to support your believe that Christmas and birthday celebration is dirty you use encyclopedia brittanica as reference are you that dull?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 1:11pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


And u are really daft, quoted me two or three times Yet failed woefully to answer my question, Like I said sense is not for you, if you had sense you would have questioned why your Bible supported that encyclopedia by mentioning only the birthdays of pagans


If that encyclopedia. Was wrong, there would have been instances of Jews or Christian's celebrating their birthdays which is what xmas is all about . No single instance except pagans, yet your brain didn't see the encyclopedia supported the bible .


"If" always a conditional statement.
Let me help you out

Bible writers forgot to put what was written in encyclopedia brittanica about early Christians and apostles viewing birthday celebration as dirty.

Intact Christians should be using encyclopedia brittanica as the guide to doctrines or beliefs they don't see in the Bible since bible isn't enough as your jehovah forgot to put everything he was thinking about in the Bible.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by achorladey: 2:02pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


Address that Encyclopedia view of birthdays celebration !!!



Oh, I didn't know
I thought its Pagan nations that celebrate it ? grin grin so daft

I checked Encyclopedia Britannica and it associated it with the Jews, no trace of pagan custom or influence. But the same Encyclopedia when talking about birthday celebration made reference to it as a pagan custom.


It comments " . In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus ... the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices. " Source - Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Why is your bible supporting this encyclopedia by citing only the birthdays of pagans ?


Don't be an idiot.
The answer is in the encyclopedia above



You don't.have.what it takes to argue intelligently

Respond to.why your Bible support that encyclopedia view by referencing only pagans with birthdays ?

And if your Dundee head thinks the encyclopedia is lying. Present your source grin gringrin too many trolls on NL



Dundee grin grin

The quote I challenged said : it doesn't matter how the practiced is viewed hundreds of years ago, so don't use what happened in times past to judge. Is Gay and Lesbianism accepted in America as a case study [/u)] ? Is an 18 year old free to have sex even if unmarried ?


Will the above make it proper in America according to your earlier quote ?



grin grin troll
According to the bracket, practicing Gay and lesbianism in a place like US and Canada is PROPER and should not be made an issue ?

Peacefullove: Address that Encyclopedia view of birthdays celebration !!!

Achorladey: Did my first post on this issue surrounds, ENCYCLOPEDIA? What I choose to address is a right I freely exercise, Oga I have no business with addressing birthday celebrations with your encyclopedia.


Peacefullove: Oh, I didn't know
I thought its Pagan nations that celebrate it ? grin grin so daft

I checked Encyclopedia Britannica and it associated it with the Jews, no trace of pagan custom or influence. But the same Encyclopedia when talking about birthday celebration made reference to it as a pagan custom.

Achorladey: Did I ask you to CHECK ENCYCLOPEDIAS to ascertain how the festival of dedication started? You sidestep my reference point and introduced encyclopedias again. Na so people dey fail exams. Read the instructions carefully.


Peacefullove: It comments " . In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus ... [u] the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices.
" Source - Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Achorladey: Enjoy and wallow in your encyclopedias Britannica.

Peacefullove: Why is your bible supporting this encyclopedia by citing only the birthdays of pagans?

Achorladey: The assignment I gave did not include citing encyclopedias as your reference material.


Peacefullove: Don't be an idiot.
The answer is in the encyclopedia above

Achorladey: I refuse to be one, I can only see the stupidity on the use of your encyclopedias when my discussion or what the initial post you respond to didn't cite one.

Peacefullove: You don't have what it takes to argue intelligently.

Achorladey: It's your opinion, you are free to have one and your moniker PEACEFULLOVE can be placed on marble beside it.

Peacefullove: Respond to why your Bible support that encyclopedia view by referencing only pagans with birthdays?

Achorladey: Your case is becoming leading a horse to the river and trying to force it to drink. I hope the message is well passed.

Peacefullove: And if your Dundee head thinks the encyclopedia is lying. Present your source grin gringrin too many trolls on NL

Achorladey: Source material pertaining to what?

Peacefullove: Dundee grin grin

Achorladey: Cast that opinion on marble If you desire.

Peacefullove: The quote I challenged said : it doesn't matter how the practiced is viewed hundreds of years ago,

Achorladey: At least you quoted what I cited from the Awake, not an encyclopedia. Loooool!


Peacefullove:
so don't use what happened in times past to judge.

Achorladey: Is this included in that awake I cited. It will be good to look at it again the WISE one.

Peacefullove: Is Gay and Lesbianism accepted in America [u] as a case study [/u)] ?

Achorladey: The encyclopedias is at your disposal, many answers you seek is in there. You are free to cite as many as possible to back up the question above.


Peacefullove: Is an 18 year old free to have sex even if unmarried?

Achorladey: Based on what source? the encyclopedias, the Bible, laws of the land bordering each nation.

Peacefullove: Will the above make it proper in America according to your earlier quote?


Achorladey: What earlier quote?





Peacefullove:grin grin troll
According to the bracket, practicing Gay and lesbianism in a place like US and Canada is PROPER and should not be made an issue?

Achorladey: if you are interested in making a big issue about it, FEEL FREE to do so with all the resources available at your disposal.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 2:08pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


And u are really daft, quoted me two or three times Yet failed woefully to answer my question, Like I said sense is not for you, if you had sense you would have questioned why your Bible supported that encyclopedia by mentioning only the birthdays of pagans


If that encyclopedia. Was wrong, there would have been instances of Jews or Christian's celebrating their birthdays which is what xmas is all about . No single instance except pagans, yet your brain didn't see the encyclopedia supported the bible .


So since no single instance was birthday celebration mentioned in the Bible except pagans that means it was condemned by jehovah or Jesus Christ?

Let me help you.
Bible forgot to condemn birthday and Christmas celebration.

In fact bible forgot to mention that herod and pharaoh celebrating birthdays made birthdays a pagan custom.

Bible forgot to say that it was because of the birthday celebration that's why pharaoh killed the baker and spared the cupbearer and herod killed john the Baptist.

In fact bible forgot to say that it was the birthday that committed those killings.

When is to criticize gay and lesbianism you reference bible because Bible condemned it but when it is time to criticize Christmas and birthday you reference encyclopedia brittanica because Bible didn't condemn it or say anything on it. Lol


Shame has not still allowed you to bring out bible verse to support your claim. Be opening your wide mouth to say encyclopedia brittanica condemns birthday celebration so it should be condemned.

You think we don't use our brains peacefullove abi?
I no fit laff.

The only thing I asked is for you to provide a bible verse where jehovah or Jesus Christ or the apostles condemned Christmas or birthday celebration instead of showing me the verse you are cursing me and forcing me to adopt encyclopedia brittanica stance.

And it's not like the encyclopedia brittanica said early Christians or apostles condemned birthday celebration o. Lol


The only instance siesta was mentioned in the Bible someone was beheaded does it mean that siesta is bad?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Peacefullove: 3:01pm On Jan 09
achorladey:


Peacefullove: Address that Encyclopedia view of birthdays celebration !!!

Achorladey: Did my first post on this issue surrounds, ENCYCLOPEDIA? What I choose to address is a right I freely exercise, Oga I have no business with addressing birthday celebrations with your encyclopedia.


Peacefullove: Oh, I didn't know
I thought its Pagan nations that celebrate it ? grin grin so daft

I checked Encyclopedia Britannica and it associated it with the Jews, no trace of pagan custom or influence. But the same Encyclopedia when talking about birthday celebration made reference to it as a pagan custom.

Achorladey: Did I ask you to CHECK ENCYCLOPEDIAS to ascertain how the festival of dedication started? You sidestep my reference point and introduced encyclopedias again. Na so people dey fail exams. Read the instructions carefully.


Peacefullove: It comments " . In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus ... the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices. " Source - Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Achorladey: Enjoy and wallow in your encyclopedias Britannica.

Peacefullove: Why is your bible supporting this encyclopedia by citing only the birthdays of pagans?

Achorladey: The assignment I gave did not include citing encyclopedias as your reference material.


Peacefullove: Don't be an idiot.
The answer is in the encyclopedia above

Achorladey: I refuse to be one, I can only see the stupidity on the use of your encyclopedias when my discussion or what the initial post you respond to didn't cite one.

Peacefullove: You don't have what it takes to argue intelligently.

Achorladey: It's your opinion, you are free to have one and your moniker PEACEFULLOVE can be placed on marble beside it.

Peacefullove: Respond to why your Bible support that encyclopedia view by referencing only pagans with birthdays?

Achorladey: Your case is becoming leading a horse to the river and trying to force it to drink. I hope the message is well passed.

Peacefullove: And if your Dundee head thinks the encyclopedia is lying. Present your source grin gringrin too many trolls on NL

Achorladey: Source material pertaining to what?

Peacefullove: Dundee grin grin

Achorladey: Cast that opinion on marble If you desire.

Peacefullove: The quote I challenged said : it doesn't matter how the practiced is viewed hundreds of years ago,

Achorladey: At least you quoted what I cited from the Awake, not an encyclopedia. Loooool!


Peacefullove:
so don't use what happened in times past to judge.

Achorladey: Is this included in that awake I cited. It will be good to look at it again the WISE one.

Peacefullove: Is Gay and Lesbianism accepted in America [u] as a case study [/u)] ?

Achorladey: The encyclopedias is at your disposal, many answers you seek is in there. You are free to cite as many as possible to back up the question above.


Peacefullove: Is an 18 year old free to have sex even if unmarried?

Achorladey: Based on what source? the encyclopedias, the Bible, laws of the land bordering each nation.

Peacefullove: Will the above make it proper in America according to your earlier quote?


Achorladey: What earlier quote?





Peacefullove:grin grin troll
According to the bracket, practicing Gay and lesbianism in a place like US and Canada is PROPER and should not be made an issue?

Achorladey: if you are interested in making a big issue about it, FEEL FREE to do so with all the resources available at your disposal.



Dealt with. Next time u won't run your mouth on issues you have no clue about.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 3:08pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:


Dealt with. Next time u won't run your mouth on issues you have no clue about.

You should be hiding your head in shame. You tried to change topic and divert the course of discussion but we caught you. He clearly talked about a feast in the bible and you chose to talk about something in encyclopedia brittanica.

You have no clue on what was being said. You didn't even have an answer because you clearly saw the hypocrisy in your religion. Hide your head in shame.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Peacefullove: 3:14pm On Jan 09
Hairyrapunzel:


You should be hiding your head in shame. You tried to change topic and divert the course of discussion but we caught you. He clearly talked about a feast in the bible and you chose to talk about something in encyclopedia brittanica.

You have no clue on what was being said. You didn't even have an answer because you clearly saw the hypocrisy in your religion. Hide your head in shame.


Mr no sense , grin you are welcomed.

At least you haven't prove it wrong that Bible didn't support that Encyclopedia. Show one single jew or Christian wey do Xmas or birthday make you prove am wrong, u no gree grin grin

We all know that Encyclopedia wasn't lying, even achorladey had to run from it. Good your Bible back it point up.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 3:30pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:



Mr no sense , grin you are welcomed.

At least you haven't prove it wrong that Bible didn't support that Encyclopedia. Show one single jew or Christian wey do Xmas make you prove a wrong, u no gree grin grin

We all know that Encyclopedia wasn't lying, even achorladey had to run from it. Good your Bible back it point up.


So you still can't provide the bible verse that warns Christians from celebrating birthday and Christmas?
You found a bible verse that warns Christians to desist from homosexuality whereas you couldn't find any bible verse that warns Christians from celebrating birthday and Christmas lol.


I no fit laff Mr sense. Encyclopedia brittanica wasn't lying? Who told you that? Lol.

I heard the encyclopedia brittanica has 15editions. Lol

I no fit laff. So you want me to believe something written by uninspired people who you consider pagans and Satan worshippers?
I no fit laff o.
Mr sense doesn't even know that encyclopedia brittanica is edited regularly lol. Information can change anytime.

Someone from the 18th century gave a speculation/assumption on what happened in bible times this thing wasn't written in bible o. The person just assumed it and peaceful love is telling me to swallow it. He is forcing information that can change anytime down my throat. Lol

Encyclopedia brittanica expert.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Hairyrapunzel: 3:32pm On Jan 09
Peacefullove:



Mr no sense , grin you are welcomed.

At least you haven't prove it wrong that Bible didn't support that Encyclopedia. Show one single jew or Christian wey do Xmas or birthday make you prove am wrong, u no gree grin grin

We all know that Encyclopedia wasn't lying, even achorladey had to run from it. Good your Bible back it point up.


You should be hiding your head in shame o.

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