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It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 4:14pm On Jan 03
We are barely days into the New Year and those against tithe/firstfruits have already started launching their attack on the doctrine. According to these people, the concept of firstfruits is not a doctrine for Christians because we are not under the law of Moses. What they fail to know is that even before the forefathers of Moses were born, God had been collecting first fruits from humans. This post will show that it is God himself that ordained the collection of firstfruits and it is not subject to any law.

The first person recorded to have given first fruit or firstling is Abel the son of Adam and Eve. He and his brother Cain were told to do so By God.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

You see, whenever we mention Abel as someone who gave first fruit way before the law of Moses, all those anti-tithers love to give excuses to rubbish such point. One of the excuses they give is that God didn't command or order him to bring any first fruit, which means he did it of his own free will. Before I show you that it is God that commanded Abel and Cain to make that sacrifice, I will first of all like to show you that these anti-tithers understand nothing about the Bible. They don't understand because they lack the spirit of God, that's why someone can deceive them easily against tithing.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
they are life.

They lack the spirit of God, that's why they don't understand the word of God which is spiritually discerned. Now, let me show you that God gave the command for Abel and Cain to offer sacrifice unto him. See what the Bible said below.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Did you notice the words in bold above? The above verse says Abel offered sacrifice to God by faith. This means he believed in the word of God and proceeded to offer the sacrifice. This clearly shows that the word of God told him to do what he did, meaning he didn't do it if his own free will. See what the Bible says about faith and the word of God below.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

As seen above, you can't have faith without hearing the word of God. Now, if the Bible in Hebrews 11:4 says Abel had faith in God towards offering a sacrifice, then it means he heard the word of God telling him to offer the sacrifice. He heard the word of God and had faith in it which made him carry out the command.

It's now ridiculous for people who lack understanding of the Bible to sit somewhere and start saying God never commanded Abel to bring first fruits or firstlings. They read the Bible like it's a romance novel, that's why they never grab anything from the word which is spirit.

It is that same practice of Abel that Abraham followed, his grandson Jacob followed and also the children of Israel under the law of Moses. God is still the same yesterday, today and forever. He change not. If he collected first fruit from the people of old even way before the law of Moses, then what makes you think he has changed?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Yes, I understand that many are angry that today's pastors have abused this doctrine and have enriched themselves with it to the point of living in opulence and flying in jets. But that doesn't mean we should throw away the doctrine which is the word of God. Throwing it away because of them is like throwing away the baby with the bath water.

If you feel your church is one those who have abused this doctrine, then find another church which hasn't; they exist. Mind you, not all churches are really the house of God. As long as the message they preach is works based salvation and not saved by grace alone, then such is not the house of God. Such churches are an example of Cain and his offering. That is why most people who pay first fruits there are not really getting blessed. Let me show you why they are Cain.

Remember we established above that it was the word of God that made Cain and Abel make sacrifice unto God. But how come God rejected Cain's sacrifice but accepted Abel's?

Cain failed to follow instruction given by God's word. How do we know what this instruction is? We know this from Abel's sacrifice which the Bible says God had respect for. Abel made a blood sacrifice unto God, he sacrificed a lamb. Had it been Cain did the same thing, his sacrifice would have been accepted too. Rather, he offered fruits of the ground while Abel offered the blood of a lamb which represents the blood of Jesus Christ who is this Holy Lamb.

Cain's offering was based on his works. He thought if he offered an offering based on his sweat of tilling the soil and harvesting the produce, God will be more pleased by his effort. He failed to obey simple instruction of offering blood sacrifice, instead he relied on his WORKS. His sacrifice represents work based salvation, hence the reason why God rejected it.

Abel on the other hand followed the instructions God gave. He didnt rely on his works but relied on the blood of the lamb which is the same as relying on the blood of Jesus which was sacrificed on the cross. That is what God wants us to do today. But these dubious churches have changed the gospel and are now selling a work based salvation where people No longer rely on the sacrifice of Jesus but on their works of righteousness or their ability not to sin. They have turned their congregation into people who will present works of righteousness which the Bible calls filthy rags before God as their means of salvation.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

They do not know that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. And it is not of our works lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So, if your church is telling you that you can lose your salvation and that salvation involves works, then that is a clear pointer that such a place is not the house of God. That is why the pastors of such churches are very wealthy because they do not believe in God and have fleeced the sheep to stupor. If you continue to give your money whether in offering, tithe or first fruit, just know that your money is not reaching God. It's the same as going to GTBank to send Money to me when I don't bank with them. The money won't get to me. You have to look for the right bank which I have an account with before I can receive the money.

To all those who go about telling people Not to pay tithe or give Money to church, be careful or else God will descend on you.

Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You know little about God's word yet you are going about persuading people to disobeying him. If you have decided not to pay to churches, so be it. But going about telling others to do the same is very dangerous.

Many will come to this thread to try to rubbish it by saying I'm a pastor trying to defend my cake. I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. People who make such claims only do so to prove they are on the wrong. They attack the messenger while they neglect the message. That is being guilty.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by NPComplete: 6:24pm On Jan 03
Albagdadi is fighting hard so he can see money to collect on Sunday. Ever since the message to discourage first fruits was posted online, this man has been sleeplessly creating thread after thread to disabuse people of not paying first fruits.

Sorry bro.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 6:30pm On Jan 03
NPComplete:
Albagdadi is fighting hard so he can see money to collect on Sunday. Ever since the message to discourage first fruits was posted online, this man has been sleeplessly creating thread after thread to disabuse people of not paying first fruits.

Sorry bro.

Many will come to this thread to try to rubbish it by saying I'm a pastor trying to defend my cake. I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. People who make such claims only do so to prove they are on the wrong. They attack the messenger while they neglect the message. That is being guilty.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by NPComplete: 6:47pm On Jan 03
^^^Preemptive tactics. We know the way. Lol. Keep it up and collect more money this Sunday.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 6:49pm On Jan 03
NPComplete:
^^^Preemptive tactics. We know the way. Lol. Keep it up and collect more money this Sunday.
Kindly attack the message and leave the messenger alone. Or is the message too hot to face?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Brock1: 7:13pm On Jan 03
NPComplete:
Albagdadi is fighting hard so he can see money to collect on Sunday. Ever since the message to discourage first fruits was posted online, this man has been sleeplessly creating thread after thread to disabuse people of not paying first fruits.

Sorry bro.
grin grin grin

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by snowxandria(m): 7:17pm On Jan 03
grin another baboon pastor on the loose cheesy Abeg this hungry pastor go and get a bloody job cool and stop making a fool of yourself on this forum

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Michellekabod1(f): 7:25pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:

We are barely days into the New Year and those against tithe/firstfruits have already started launching their attack on the doctrine. According to these people, the concept of firstfruits is not a doctrine for Christians because we are not under the law of Moses. What they fail to know is that even before the forefathers of Moses were born, God had been collecting first fruits from humans. This post will show that it is God himself that ordained the collection of firstfruits and it is not subject to any law.

The first person recorded to have given first fruit or firstling is Abel the son of Adam and Eve. He and his brother Cain were told to do so By God.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

You see, whenever we mention Abel as someone who gave first fruit way before the law of Moses, all those anti-tithers love to give excuses to rubbish such point. One of the excuses they give is that God didn't command or order him to bring any first fruit, which means he did it of his own free will. Before I show you that it is God that commanded Abel and Cain to make that sacrifice, I will first of all like to show you that these anti-tithers understand nothing about the Bible. They don't understand because they lack the spirit of God, that's why someone can deceive them easily against tithing.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
they are life.

They lack the spirit of God, that's why they don't understand the word of God which is spiritually discerned. Now, let me show you that God gave the command for Abel and Cain to offer sacrifice unto him. See what the Bible said below.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Did you notice the words in bold above? The above verse says Abel offered sacrifice to God by faith. This means he believed in the word of God and proceeded to offer the sacrifice. This clearly shows that the word of God told him to do what he did, meaning he didn't do it if his own free will. See what the Bible says about faith and the word of God below.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

As seen above, you can't have faith without hearing the word of God. Now, if the Bible in Hebrews 11:4 says Abel had faith in God towards offering a sacrifice, then it means he heard the word of God telling him to offer the sacrifice. He heard the word of God and had faith in it which made him carry out the command.

It's now ridiculous for people who lack understanding of the Bible to sit somewhere and start saying God never commanded Abel to bring first fruits or firstlings. They read the Bible like it's a romance novel, that's why they never grab anything from the word which is spirit.

It is that same practice of Abel that Abraham followed, his grandson Jacob followed and also the children of Israel under the law of Moses. God is still the same yesterday, today and forever. He change not. If he collected first fruit from the people of old even way before the law of Moses, then what makes you think he has changed?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Yes, I understand that many are angry that today's pastors have abused this doctrine and have enriched themselves with it to the point of living in opulence and flying in jets. But that doesn't mean we should throw away the doctrine which is the word of God. Throwing it away because of them is like throwing away the baby with the bath water.

If you feel your church is one those who have abused this doctrine, then find another church which hasn't; they exist. Mind you, not all churches are really the house of God. As long as the message they preach is works based salvation and not saved by grace alone, then such is not the house of God. Such churches are an example of Cain and his offering. That is why most people who pay first fruits there are not really getting blessed. Let me show you why they are Cain.

Remember we established above that it was the word of God that made Cain and Abel make sacrifice unto God. But how come God rejected Cain's sacrifice but accepted Abel's?

Cain failed to follow instruction given by God's word. How do we know what this instruction is? We know this from Abel's sacrifice which the Bible says God had respect for. Abel made a blood sacrifice unto God, he sacrificed a lamb. Had it been Cain did the same thing, his sacrifice would have been accepted too. Rather, he offered fruits of the ground while Abel offered the blood of a lamb which represents the blood of Jesus Christ who is this Holy Lamb.

Cain's offering was based on his works. He thought if he offered an offering based on his sweat of tilling the soil and harvesting the produce, God will be more pleased by his effort. He failed to obey simple instruction of offering blood sacrifice, instead he relied on his WORKS. His sacrifice represents work based salvation, hence the reason why God rejected it.

Abel on the other hand followed the instructions God gave. He didnt rely on his works but relied on the blood of the lamb which is the same as relying on the blood of Jesus which was sacrificed on the cross. That is what God wants us to do today. But these dubious churches have changed the gospel and are now selling a work based salvation where people No longer rely on the sacrifice of Jesus but on their works of righteousness or their ability not to sin. They have turned their congregation into people who will present works of righteousness which the Bible calls filthy rags before God as their means of salvation.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

They do not know that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. And it is not of our works lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So, if your church is telling you that you can lose your salvation and that salvation involves works, then that is a clear pointer that such a place is not the house of God. That is why the pastors of such churches are very wealthy because they do not believe in God and have fleeced the sheep to stupor. If you continue to give your money whether in offering, tithe or first fruit, just know that your money is not reaching God. It's the same as going to GTBank to send Money to me when I don't bank with them. The money won't get to me. You have to look for the right bank which I have an account with before I can receive the money.

To all those who go about telling people Not to pay tithe or give Money to church, be careful or else God will descend on you.

Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You know little about God's word yet you are going about persuading people to disobeying him. If you have decided not to pay to churches, so be it. But going about telling others to do the same is very dangerous.

Many will come to this thread to try to rubbish it by saying I'm a pastor trying to defend my cake. I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. People who make such claims only do so to prove they are on the wrong. They attack the messenger while they neglect the message. That is being guilty.
I wonder if you are an apologist or evangelist. Your recents topics were more of defenses against those that dont follow the modus operandi of your religion. You are a die-hard apologist that will scout your holy book leaf by leaf to back up a long existing doctrine when it is opposed...
Good luck on that

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 7:32pm On Jan 03
Michellekabod1:

I wonder if you are an apologist or evangelist. Your recents topics were more of defenses against those that dont follow the modus operandi of your religion. You are a die-hard apologist that will scout your holy book leaf by leaf to back up a long existing doctrine when it is opposed...
Good luck on that

Same thing Jesus Christ did when Satan opposed the word of God. Jesus defended it.

In the process of evangelizing, one often comes across scoffers who preach against the word of God. You have to be well equipped to counter them or else they will not only continue deceiving people but also deceive you too.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 7:36pm On Jan 03
snowxandria:
grin another baboon pastor on the loose cheesy Abeg this hungry pastor go and get a bloody job cool and stop making a fool of yourself on this forum
I do have a job and I'm not a pastor. Rather, you should go get a job and stop trying to scam people by acting as if you want to buy their Adsense account, a thing which you will highjack from then as soon as they give you access. Or have you forgotten how you tried to scan me, Mr immaculatesnow?

Please, attack the message and stop trying to divert attention from it with this your pastor claim which is false.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by snowxandria(m): 7:56pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:
I do have a job and I'm not a pastor. Rather, you should go get a job and stop trying to scam people by acting as if you want to buy their Adsense account, a thing which you will highjack from then as soon as they give you access. Or have you forgotten how you tried to scan me, Mr immaculatesnow?

Please, attack the message and stop trying to divert attention from it with this your pastor claim which is false.

Stop saying nonsense and post any of my business chat with you angry here is my line 0=8-0 =6-=0--2=1--2=0--1=7 if you have the mind call me and tell me that crap angry stop acting like an animal angry if you had a job my price for my accounts will not scare you clown
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Michellekabod1(f): 8:09pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:


Same thing Jesus Christ did when Satan opposed the word of God. Jesus defended it.

In the process of evangelizing, one often comes across scoffers who preach against the word of God. You have to be well equipped to counter them or else they will not only continue deceiving people but also deceive you too.
Am glad you were specific by saying word of God
...that differs from man made doctrines defended by scriptures.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:28pm On Jan 03
Michellekabod1:

Am glad you were specific by saying word of God
...that differs from man made doctrines defended by scriptures.
Did you read the OP at all? If you did, didn't you see clearly that the first fruit doctrine is clearly the word of God and not man made doctrine?

Go back and read it again and stop viewing from a preconceived idea.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MrPresident1: 8:33pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:
Did you read the OP at all? If you did, didn't you see clearly that the first fruit doctrine is clearly the word of God and not man made doctrine?

Go back and read it again and stop viewing from a preconceived idea.

Where are your messages on faith, hope and love which are the most important things as advised by Jesus? If we are able to convince the people on what is truly important, they will find it easier to take care of themselves and their neighbours which is the essence and purpose of tithes and offerings and firstfruits

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 8:42pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:

We are barely days into the New Year and those against tithe/firstfruits have already started launching their attack on the doctrine. According to these people, the concept of firstfruits is not a doctrine for Christians because we are not under the law of Moses. What they fail to know is that even before the forefathers of Moses were born, God had been collecting first fruits from humans. This post will show that it is God himself that ordained the collection of firstfruits and it is not subject to any law.

The first person recorded to have given first fruit or firstling is Abel the son of Adam and Eve. He and his brother Cain were told to do so By God.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

You see, whenever we mention Abel as someone who gave first fruit way before the law of Moses, all those anti-tithers love to give excuses to rubbish such point. One of the excuses they give is that God didn't command or order him to bring any first fruit, which means he did it of his own free will. Before I show you that it is God that commanded Abel and Cain to make that sacrifice, I will first of all like to show you that these anti-tithers understand nothing about the Bible. They don't understand because they lack the spirit of God, that's why someone can deceive them easily against tithing.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
they are life.

They lack the spirit of God, that's why they don't understand the word of God which is spiritually discerned. Now, let me show you that God gave the command for Abel and Cain to offer sacrifice unto him. See what the Bible said below.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Did you notice the words in bold above? The above verse says Abel offered sacrifice to God by faith. This means he believed in the word of God and proceeded to offer the sacrifice. This clearly shows that the word of God told him to do what he did, meaning he didn't do it if his own free will. See what the Bible says about faith and the word of God below.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

As seen above, you can't have faith without hearing the word of God. Now, if the Bible in Hebrews 11:4 says Abel had faith in God towards offering a sacrifice, then it means he heard the word of God telling him to offer the sacrifice. He heard the word of God and had faith in it which made him carry out the command.

It's now ridiculous for people who lack understanding of the Bible to sit somewhere and start saying God never commanded Abel to bring first fruits or firstlings. They read the Bible like it's a romance novel, that's why they never grab anything from the word which is spirit.

It is that same practice of Abel that Abraham followed, his grandson Jacob followed and also the children of Israel under the law of Moses. God is still the same yesterday, today and forever. He change not. If he collected first fruit from the people of old even way before the law of Moses, then what makes you think he has changed?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Yes, I understand that many are angry that today's pastors have abused this doctrine and have enriched themselves with it to the point of living in opulence and flying in jets. But that doesn't mean we should throw away the doctrine which is the word of God. Throwing it away because of them is like throwing away the baby with the bath water.

If you feel your church is one those who have abused this doctrine, then find another church which hasn't; they exist. Mind you, not all churches are really the house of God. As long as the message they preach is works based salvation and not saved by grace alone, then such is not the house of God. Such churches are an example of Cain and his offering. That is why most people who pay first fruits there are not really getting blessed. Let me show you why they are Cain.

Remember we established above that it was the word of God that made Cain and Abel make sacrifice unto God. But how come God rejected Cain's sacrifice but accepted Abel's?

Cain failed to follow instruction given by God's word. How do we know what this instruction is? We know this from Abel's sacrifice which the Bible says God had respect for. Abel made a blood sacrifice unto God, he sacrificed a lamb. Had it been Cain did the same thing, his sacrifice would have been accepted too. Rather, he offered fruits of the ground while Abel offered the blood of a lamb which represents the blood of Jesus Christ who is this Holy Lamb.

Cain's offering was based on his works. He thought if he offered an offering based on his sweat of tilling the soil and harvesting the produce, God will be more pleased by his effort. He failed to obey simple instruction of offering blood sacrifice, instead he relied on his WORKS. His sacrifice represents work based salvation, hence the reason why God rejected it.

Abel on the other hand followed the instructions God gave. He didnt rely on his works but relied on the blood of the lamb which is the same as relying on the blood of Jesus which was sacrificed on the cross. That is what God wants us to do today. But these dubious churches have changed the gospel and are now selling a work based salvation where people No longer rely on the sacrifice of Jesus but on their works of righteousness or their ability not to sin. They have turned their congregation into people who will present works of righteousness which the Bible calls filthy rags before God as their means of salvation.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

They do not know that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. And it is not of our works lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So, if your church is telling you that you can lose your salvation and that salvation involves works, then that is a clear pointer that such a place is not the house of God. That is why the pastors of such churches are very wealthy because they do not believe in God and have fleeced the sheep to stupor. If you continue to give your money whether in offering, tithe or first fruit, just know that your money is not reaching God. It's the same as going to GTBank to send Money to me when I don't bank with them. The money won't get to me. You have to look for the right bank which I have an account with before I can receive the money.

To all those who go about telling people Not to pay tithe or give Money to church, be careful or else God will descend on you.

Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You know little about God's word yet you are going about persuading people to disobeying him. If you have decided not to pay to churches, so be it. But going about telling others to do the same is very dangerous.

Many will come to this thread to try to rubbish it by saying I'm a pastor trying to defend my cake. I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. People who make such claims only do so to prove they are on the wrong. They attack the messenger while they neglect the message. That is being guilty.

Are you ready to show us where God asked for money as first fruit?

God gave specific instructions on how first fruits should be given;

Why isn't the church following God's instructions? How did money come into the picture?

270. To set aside the first fruits and bring them to the Temple — Ex. 23:19
271. The Kohanim must not eat the first fruits outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17

Take a look at God's specific requirements for first fruits. Look at all those instructions and tell us where God demanded money as first fruit!

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:44pm On Jan 03
MrPresident1:


Where are your messages on faith, hope and love which are the most important things as advised by Jesus? If we are able to convince the people on what is truly important, they will fined it I easier to take care of themselves and their neighbours which is the essence and purpose of tithes and offerings and firstfruits
If you want to see my messages on the subjects you mentioned, kindly check my profile to see threads I've created on them. Even this thread didn't go without me preaching salvation.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MrPresident1: 8:49pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:
If you want to see my messages on the subjects you mentioned, kindly check my profile to see threads I've created on them. Even this thread didn't go without me preaching salvation.

Let your emphasis be more on what is truly important. When you show the people the truly more important things and they are convinced, all other convictions will fall in place.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 8:50pm On Jan 03
FIRST FRUITS IN JUDAISM AS GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fruits

Hebrew perspective

Main article: Bikkurim (First-fruits)

In Ancient Israel, First Fruits was a type of offering that was akin to, but distinct from, terumah gedolah. While terumah gedolah was an agricultural tithe, the First-fruits, discussed in the Bikkurim tractate of the Talmud, were a sacrificial gift brought up to the altar (Bikkurim 3:12). The major obligation to bring First Fruits (henceforth: Bikkurim) to the Temple began at the festival of Shavuot and continued until the festival of Sukkot (Bikkurim 1:6). This tithe was limited to the traditional seven agricultural products (wheat, barley, grapes in the form of wine, figs, pomegranates, olives in the form of oil, and dates) grown in Israel. This tithe, and the associated festival of Shavuot, is legislated by the Torah. Textual critics speculate that these regulations were imposed long after the offerings and festival had developed.

By the time of classical antiquity, extensive regulations regarding Bikkurim were recorded in the classical rabbinical literature. According to Jewish law, the corners of fields, wild areas, left-overs after harvesting (gleanings), and unowned crops were not subjected to (and could not be used as) the tithe of First Fruits (they were intended to be left as charity for the poor, and other mendicants); plants from outside Israel were also prohibited from inclusion in the tithe, as was anything belonging to non-Jews.[ The rules also specify that each type of product had to be individually tithed, even if the numbers were balanced so that there was no difference in amount between this situation and using just some types of First Fruit as the tithe, and retaining others in their entirety. Fruit which was allocated to the tithe could not be swapped for fruit which wasn't, to the extent that wine couldn't be swapped for vinegar, and olive oil couldn't be replaced by olives; furthermore, fruits were not allowed to be individually divided if only part went to the tithe (small whole pomegranates had to be used rather than sections from a large pomegranate, for example).

The separation of tithed produce from untithed produce was also subject to regulation. The individual(s) separating one from the other had to be ritually clean, and had to include the best produce in the tithe if a kohen (priest) lived nearby. During the act of separation, the produce was not permitted to be counted out to determine which fell under the tithe, nor to be weighed for that purpose, nor to be measured for the same reason, but instead the proportion that was to become the tithe had to be guessed at. In certain situations, such as when tithed produce became mixed with non-tithed produce (or there was uncertainty as to whether it had), the tithed produce had to be destroyed.Anyone who made mistakes in the separation of tithed produce, and anyone who consumed any of the tithe, was required to pay compensation as a guilt offering.

The pilgrims that brought the Bikkurim to the Temple were obligated to recite a declaration, also known as the Avowal, set forth in Deuteronomy 26:3-10 (cf. Mishnah, Bikkurim 3:6). Native-born Israelites and proselytes would bring the Bikkurim and would say the Avowal, but women who brought the Bikkurim were not permitted to say the Avowal, since they were unable to claim inheritance in the Land bequeathed unto the tribes by their male lineage.[a] This Avowal was incorporated into a beautiful and grand festive celebration with a procession of pilgrims marching up to Jerusalem and then the Temple with gold, silver or willow baskets to which live birds were tied. (Bikkurim 3:3,5 and 8 ). The pilgrims were led by flutists to the city of Jerusalem where they were greeted by dignitaries (Bikkurim 3:3). The procession would then resume with the flutist in lead until the Temple Mount where the Levites would break out in song (Bikkurim 3:4). The birds were given as sacrificial offerings and the declaration would be made before a priest while the basket was still on the pilgrim's shoulder (Bikkurim 3:5-6). After the basket was presented to the priest, it was placed by the Altar and the pilgrim would bow and leave (Bikkurim 3:6).


I'M STILL WONDERING HOW FIRST FRUITS HAS TRANSFORMED INTO FIRST WAGES & SALARIES WITHOUT ANY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD IN THE SCRIPTURES TO THE CONTRARY!

Give unto God and man, but please beware of false teachers twisting the truth (facts) on ground with a little error or lies to suit their selfish interests

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:54pm On Jan 03
OkCornel:


Are you ready to show us where God asked for money as first fruit?

God gave specific instructions on how first fruits should be given;

Why isn't the church following God's instructions? How did money come into the picture?

270. To set aside the first fruits and bring them to the Temple — Ex. 23:19
271. The Kohanim must not eat the first fruits outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17

Take a look at God's specific requirements for first fruits. Look at all those instructions and tell us where God demanded money as first fruit!

Here is one of those whom I say lack the spirit of God which is why they never understand when they read the word of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is even worse for them because they also don't understand simple English. Here he is asking for where God requested for Money as tithes or first fruit. He is expecting to see a verse expressly showing God saying "bring the dollars, pounds, naira" or whatever currency was used in those days. But someone who is filled with the spirit of God can see that first fruit also includes money. This is clearly seen in the verse below.

Proverbs 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

As seen in the bold part, we are to bring first fruits from all our increase i.e any increase we get in life. This include monetary increase just as any other increase. The verse didn't mention nor say Agricultural increase alone. Rather it says all increase which includes agricultural and monetary increase.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Michellekabod1(f): 8:57pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:
Did you read the OP at all? If you did, didn't you see clearly that the first fruit doctrine is clearly the word of God and not man made doctrine?

Go back and read it again and stop viewing from a preconceived idea.
You are quiet amusing....you need eyes not me. I stated that your recent threads were about defenses...if i didnt read them how would i come to that conclusion? If i may ask what is the difference between doctrine and the word of God

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 8:58pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:
Kindly attack the message and leave the messenger alone. Or is the message too hot to face?
Let me understand this. Shd First Fruit be given every beginning of the year or the first harvest of investment?

This is what i do, When i get a new Job or start a new business, my first salary or proceeds, i give as First Fruit. I do not Give my first salary at the beginning of every year. That's not what the Bible teaches. But, it appears that is what you are positing here.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:59pm On Jan 03
Michellekabod1:

You are quiet amusing....you need eyes not me. I stated that your recent threads were about defenses...if i didnt read them how would i come to that conclusion? If i may ask what is the difference between doctrine and the word of God
The word of God is what leads to doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:04pm On Jan 03
Anas09:

Let me understand this. Shd First Fruit be given every beginning of the year or the first harvest of investment?

This is what i do, When i get a new Job or start a new business, my first salary or proceeds, i give as First Fruit. I do not Give my first salary at the beginning of every year. That's not what the Bible teaches. But, it appears that is what you are positing here.

No, first fruit should be given ever time you get an increase. It is the same thing as tithe. Take not of the phrase "of all time increase".

Proverbs 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

First fruit is not the first salary of the year or of your new job. It is ten percent of every salary. If you say it is the January salary or the first salary of a new job, then it means you won't be paying tithe for that month which is wrong. Can you now see the flaw in that? So, anyone telling you that it is a whole salary is a fraud. First fruit is just another term for tithe.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 9:04pm On Jan 03
MrPresident1:


Where are your messages on faith, hope and love which are the most important things as advised by Jesus? If we are able to convince the people on what is truly important, they will fined it I easier to take care of themselves and their neighbours which is the essence and purpose of tithes and offerings and firstfruits
You do not do one and leave the other.

Besides, Kingdom prosperity is tight on Giving. If you are Christian you'd know that. Giving is the beginning and end of Christianity. You empty to be refilled.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 9:04pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:


Here is one of those whom I say lack the spirit of God which is why they never understand when they read the word of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is even worse for them because they also don't understand simple English. Here he is asking for where God requested for Money as tithes or first fruit. He is expecting to see a verse expressly showing God saying "bring the dollars, pounds, naira" or whatever currency was used in those days. But someone who is filled with the spirit of God can see that first fruit also includes money. This is clearly seen in the verse below.

Proverbs 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

As seen in the bold part, we are to bring first fruits from all our increase i.e any increase we get in life. This include monetary increase just as any other increase. The verse didn't mention nor say Agricultural increase alone. Rather it says all increase which includes agricultural and monetary increase.

Fraudulent and dubious interpretation of the scriptures!

Proverbs 3 v 9 was referenced to the procedures of first fruits and stated in Exodus 23 v 19 and Deuteronomy 26 v 2.

God never asked for money as first fruit!

Anyone can check the footnote of their Bibles to confirm the reference.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 9:10pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:


No, first fruit should be given ever time you get an increase. It is the same thing as tithe. Take not of the phrase "of all time increase".

Proverbs 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

First fruit is not the first salary of the year or your new job. It is ten percent of every salary. If you say it is the January salary or the first salary of a new job, then it means you won't be paying tithe for that month which is wrong. Can you see the flaw in that? So, anyone telling you that it is a while salary is a fraud. First fruit is just another term for tithe.


Ogbeni...on another thread, you denied claiming first fruit was salary or wages, why are you changing mouth again?

https://www.nairaland.com/4924320/first-fruit-dont-let-anyone/2

MY QUESTION
OkCornel:
alBHAGDADI, God gave specific instructions on how first fruits should be given;

Why isn't the church following God's instructions? How did money come into the picture?

270. To set aside the first fruits and bring them to the Temple — Ex. 23:19
271. The Kohanim must not eat the first fruits outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17

Take a look at God's specific requirements for first fruits. Look at all those instructions and tell us where God demanded money as first fruit!

alBHAGDADI, why are you dodging this question?

This is the third time I am bringing it to your attention. Where did God precisely ask for salary or wages as first fruit?

YOUR RESPONSE
alBHAGDADI:

Where did I mention that first fruits have to do with salary or wages?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:10pm On Jan 03
OkCornel:


Fraudulent and dubious interpretation of the scriptures!

Proverbs 3 v 9 was referenced to the procedures of first fruits and stated in Exodus 23 v 19 and Deuteronomy 26 v 2.

God never asked for money as first fruit!

Anyone can check the footnote of their Bibles to confirm the reference.

Footnotes of Bible? Did the writers of the original manuscripts of the Bible include footnotes or it was done by men of today to deceive people in a wrong direction? Those footnotes are the reason why many now believe in a false doctrine of rapture. They make you read meaning into the Bible instead of allowing the word of the spirit read meaning to you.

Proverbs 3:9 is not a reference to any exodus verse. It is what it is, or else why did it say "all thine increase", a thing exodus didn't say?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:13pm On Jan 03
OkCornel:


Ogbeni...on another thread, you denied claiming first fruit was salary or wages, why are you changing mouth again?

https://www.nairaland.com/4924320/first-fruit-dont-let-anyone/2



I'm glad my post which you brought from another thread didn't say first fruit is full salary of wages. Never did I say such. I've always maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%.

So stop trying to say what I didnt say.

Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 9:14pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:

I'm glad my post which you brought from another thread didn't say first fruit is full salary of wages. Never did I say such. I've always maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%.

So stop trying to say what I didnt say.

You clearly denied first fruits had anything to do with salary and wages, why are changing mouth now?

Cc: Muttleylaff

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Michellekabod1(f): 9:15pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:

The word of God is what leads to doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Okay. Are all doctrines from the word of God?
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 9:16pm On Jan 03
alBHAGDADI:


Footnotes of Bible? Did the writers of the original manuscripts of the Bible include footnotes or it was done by men of today to deceive people in a wrong direction? Those footnotes are the reason why many now believe in a false doctrine of rapture. They make you read meaning into the Bible instead of allowing the word of the spirit read meaning to you.

Proverbs 3:9 is not a reference to any exodus verse. It is what it is, or else why did it say "all thine increase", a thing exodus didn't say?

Ogbeni...you earlier agreed the author of Proverbs lived in the era of the law. So you are implying he was advising first fruits be given in a manner inconsistent with God's instructions abi?

Where precisely did God request for money as first fruit?

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