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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 8:18am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
I'm glad my post which you brought from another thread didn't say first fruit is full salary of wages. Never did I say such. I've always maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%.
So stop trying to say what I didnt say.

OkCornel:
You clearly denied first fruits had anything to do with salary and wages, why are changing mouth now?

Cc: Muttleylaff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYEu3m9Mh0
alBHAGDADI, why you'd be glad that you burrowed yourself deeper in the hole you dug yourself into, I dont understand.

I have just gone over your original post on your that infamous "First Fruit: Don't Let Anyone Tell You Not To Give To God In 2019" thread. The reason why I am just reading the post, is because I knew I didnt want to waste precious time reading a post I already know will be farcical and prooftexted. I was right about the farcical and prooftext but you worsen the whole matter when you painted the picture of God has been grudge-bearing over a measly tithe.

Listen again, to what you sickeningly wrote:
"If you don't pay your tithe or firstfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him... Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another... If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked."

alBHAGDADI, my brother, please "ro ti ikunlẹ abiyamọ, irọ yi ti pọju" loosely translated means "Steady on! Have mercy, telling barefaced lies with a straight face is too much"

Fela singing, will say confusion nah wa alBHAGDADI. For you alBHAGDADI, to say, "I always maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%" Na big, big confusion be dat ee-oh. You are more confused than a chameleon lost in a bag of skittles for asserting that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%

There are so many holes in that original post of your infamous "First Fruit: Don't Let Anyone Tell You Not To Give To God In 2019" thread, it is contesting qualification to be called a Swiss cheese because of many holes in it.

Now let's watch you alBHAGDADI and see you ignore and keep at arm length these questions just like you did with OkCornel:
1/ Why doesn't the bible mention that Adam and Eve tithed to God?
2/ Why doesn't the bible mention that Adam and Eve gave firstfruits to God?
3/ You referenced Genesis 4:4, saying:
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.
Now with this your prooftext verse, what is Abel's offering being accepted but Cain's was rejected, connection with this to the tithes or firstfruits practice you vigorously support and defend and what implication has it to do with them?
4/ Do tithes and firstfruits have the same meaning and essence?
5/ What to your knowledge & understanding for believers is tithes or firstfruits? Are they for believers, a voluntary giving or it is a must do obligatory giving or payment?
6/ Please provide bible verse(s) from the New Testament of believers, other than their bodies, practising and giving firstfruits or even monitised tithes?

You too, don't go about trying to dissuade people from advising others not to pay to tithes or firstfruits to any living the life of opulence. You too, don't go about with posting threads upadan, trying to dissuade people from telling others, they have autonomy over their tithes or firstfruits and that it doesnt have to go to any, living the life of opulence.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:32am On Jan 04
OkCornel:


Per the bolded, I hope you know you just lied.

Money was very much in use back then!

Deuterenomy 14 v 22-29

22 Thou shalt [f]give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine, and of thy sheep, that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is far from thee, where the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name, [g]when the Lord thy God shall bless thee,

25 Then shalt thou make it in money, and [h]take the money in thine hand, and go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose.

26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thine heart desireth: whether it be ox, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatsoever thine heart desireth: [i]and shalt eat it there before the Lord thy God, and rejoice, both thou, and thine household.

27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, shalt thou not forsake: for he hath neither part nor inheritance with thee.

28 At the end of three years thou shalt [j]bring forth all the tithes of thine increase of the same year, and lay it up within thy gates.

29 Then the Levite shall come, because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, and shall eat, and be filled, that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.


Deuteronomy 14 v 24-26 clearly shows that tithe is NOT MONEY!!!

Tithe includes money otherwise it would make no sense for the man below to say he pays a tithe of all he possesses. This definitely must include money which was a possession then

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Even Abraham when he gave Melchizedek/Jesus tithe, the Bible records that he gave a tithe of all. This definitely shows that money is included because he must have gotten money and gold from the spoils of war.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:34am On Jan 04
Anas09:

Wonderful!!! This guy. We have had 4 Eras. The Golden or Classic Era ===Abraham till Jesus.
The Medieval === Agrarian=== from Jesus to the fall of Rome to the World Wars.

The Renaissance Era=== Post World Wars.

Modern Era === Technology. Now.

Through all these Ages, things have changed, but has God? Shd his ordinances?




Malachi 3:6
For I am the L ORD , I change not;
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by adelee777: 8:38am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
Kindly attack the message and leave the messenger alone. Or is the message too hot to face?
Abraham circumcised his sons before the law of Moses. So, as Christians we must be circumcised because of this?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 8:47am On Jan 04
OkCornel:
Even in the era of Solomon where gold and silver was plentiful, it never changed the object of what was tithed?

In Matthew 23 v 23; Jesus never made any reference to monetary tithes. This was after the era of Solomon.

How then did tithe change from agricultural produce to money?

Or are you implying God did not know what He was doing when He gave out the guidelines on tithing?

Anas09:
Wonderful!!! This guy. We have had 4 Eras. The Golden or Classic Era ===Abraham till Jesus.
The Medieval === Agrarian=== from Jesus to the fall of Rome to the World Wars.

The Renaissance Era=== Post World Wars.

Modern Era === Technology. Now.

Through all these Ages, things have changed, but has God? Shd his ordinances?

alBHAGDADI:
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;
Another of your skillful prooftext eh?
I change not, for your information, means the nature of God doesnt change. period, so please stop already all these your prooftexting just to justify obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:53am On Jan 04
[quote=muttleylaff]Now let's watch you alBHAGDADI and see you ignore and keep at arm length these questions just like you did with OkCornel:
1/ Why doesn't the bible mention that Adam and Eve tithed to God?
2/ Why doesn't the bible mention that Adam and Eve gave firstfruits to God?
3/ You referenced Genesis 4:4, saying:
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.
Now with this your prooftext verse, what is Abel's offering being accepted but Cain's was rejected, connection with this to the tithes or firstfruits practice you vigorously support and defend and what implication has it to do with them?
4/ Do tithes and firstfruits have the same meaning and essence?
5/ What to your knowledge & understanding for believers is tithes or firstfruits? Are they for believers, a voluntary giving or it is a must do obligatory giving or payment?
6/ Please provide bible verse(s) from the New Testament of believers, other than their bodies, practising and giving firstfruits or even monitised tithes?[/quote]

You don't read the Bible or you sound like someone that has never read it before.

1. Adam and Eve tithed. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was their tithe which they weren't to touch because it belong to God. The moment they failed in obeying that commandment, they became fallen and lost out. Through our the Bible, there has always been a concept of one thing that belongs to God which man must not touch. Read Joshua chapter 6 and 7 to see how God told them not to touch the treasure of the first city they conquered. Achan disobeyed and was stoned to death.

2. Must the Bible mention everything? Even the first fruit Abel gave, you haven't believed it, yet you want the Bible to write about how Adam and Eve went to the toilet.

3. Go and read the OP

4. They are the same thing just different names.

5. It is a must do or else you will be robbing God as he said in Malachi.

6. Believers are those who have faith in God. They existed in the old and new testament. If Paul could reference Abel in Hebrew 11:4 then it means he was totally in support of first fruit. Nowhere did the apostles says the old testament has been thrown away. All scriptures are inspired of God and profitable for doctrine. This includes the old testament.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Abel was a faithful believer. Abraham was the father of faith. We Christians today ought to do what our brothers in the faith did.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:57am On Jan 04
MuttleyLaff:




Another of your skillful prooftext eh?
I change not, for your information, means the nature of God doesnt change. period, so please stop already all these your prooftexting just to justify obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Yes God doesn't change. Truly, he received tithe of agricultural produce, but also he received tithe of money and everything that falls under ALL as seen by Abraham's tithing and the one done by the Pharisee of Jesus time.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Even Abraham when he gave Melchizedek/Jesus tithe, the Bible records that he gave a tithe of all. This definitely shows that money is included because he must have gotten money and gold from the spoils of war.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

God has not changed. If he did it in the past, he is still doing it today.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:00am On Jan 04
adelee777:

Abraham circumcised his sons before the law of Moses. So, as Christians we must be circumcised because of this?

You see, the part of the law which God wants changed, he clearly stated it in the new testament. Abraham circumcized his children, but this doesn't mean we are to follow that because God clearly changed it in the new testament. See what Paul said below.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Now, show me where God changed the law on tithing. You won't find.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 9:15am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
You don't read the Bible or you sound like someone that has never read it before.

1. Adam and Eve tithed. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was their tithe which they weren't to touch because it belong to God. The moment they failed in obeying that commandment, they became fallen and lost out. Through our the Bible, there has always been a concept of one thing that belongs to God which man must not touch. Read Joshua chapter 6 and 7 to see how God told them not to touch the treasure of the first city they conquered. Achan disobeyed and was stoned to death.

2. Must the Bible mention everything? Even the first fruit Abel gave, you haven't believed it, yet you want the Bible to write about how Adam and Eve went to the toilet.

3. Go and read the OP

4. They are the same thing just different names.

5. It is a must do or else you will be robbing God as he said in Malachi.

6. Believers are those who have faith in God. They existed in the old and new testament. If Paul could reference Abel in Hebrew 11:4 then it means he was totally in support of first fruit. Nowhere did the apostles says the old testament has been thrown away. All scriptures are inspired of God and profitable for doctrine. This includes the old testament.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Abel was a faithful believer. Abraham was the father of faith. We Christians today ought to do what our brothers in the faith did.
Though alBHAGDADI, you're not just obstinate but you're unrependant too, I still thank you for the courtesy of boldly responding to the six question albeit you failed abjectly in your answers, I still appreciate you allowing the readers into seeing how your mind thinks and are you again evaded and avoided directly or outrightly answering the questions

Jericho was a cursed city. In Joshua 7:10, God said everything in Jericho belonged to Him and had to be destroyed. But the Israelites have kept some of the things for themselves. They stole from Him and hid what they took. Achan stole what God had earmarked to be destroyed and lied about it. This has nothing to do with tithe or firstfruits alBHAGDADI.

alBHAGDADI, again I beg you, please "ro ti ikunlẹ abiyamọ, irọ yi ti pọju kẹ" loosely translated means "Steady on! Have mercy, these barefaced lies, you're telling with a straight face are too much now"

So the tithe Abraham gave Melchizedek is called firstfruit, right?
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:27am On Jan 04
MuttleyLaff:
Though alBHAGDADI, you're not just obstinate but you're unrependant too, I still thank you for the courtesy of boldly responding to the six question albeit you failed abjectly in your answers, I still appreciate you allowing the readers into seeing how your mind thinks and are you again evaded and avoided directly or outrightly answering the questions

Jericho was a cursed city. In Joshua 7:10, God said everything in Jericho belonged to Him and had to be destroyed. But the Israelites have kept some of the things for themselves. They stole from Him and hid what they took. Achan stole what God had earmarked to be destroyed and lied about it. This has nothing to do with tithe or firstfruits alBHAGDADI.

alBHAGDADI, again I beg you, please "ro ti ikunlẹ abiyamọ, irọ yi ti pọju kẹ" loosely translated means "Steady on! Have mercy, these barefaced lies, you're telling with a straight face are too much now"

So the tithe Abraham gave Melchizedek is called firstfruit, right?

You call me a liar but you are the liar who even lies against the Bible. You said Joshua 7:10 says God said he will destroy Jericho. Sorry bro, the verse doesn't say such.

Joshua 7:10
And the LORD said unto Joshua, Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face?

God didn't say everything should be destroyed, rather he said the gold, silver etc are his and should be kept in his Treasury. It is those things Achan took from that got him punished and brought God's anger on the children of Israel.

Joshua 6:18-19
18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the L ORD : they shall come into the treasury of the L ORD .


Joshua 7:20-21
20 And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the L ORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:
21 When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.

I've clearly maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkaiCorne(m): 9:38am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:


You don't read the Bible or you sound like someone that has never read it before.

1. Adam and Eve tithed. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was their tithe which they weren't to touch because it belong to God. The moment they failed in obeying that commandment, they became fallen and lost out. Through our the Bible, there has always been a concept of one thing that belongs to God which man must not touch. Read Joshua chapter 6 and 7 to see how God told them not to touch the treasure of the first city they conquered. Achan disobeyed and was stoned to death.

2. Must the Bible mention everything? Even the first fruit Abel gave, you haven't believed it, yet you want the Bible to write about how Adam and Eve went to the toilet.

3. Go and read the OP

4. They are the same thing just different names.

5. It is a must do or else you will be robbing God as he said in Malachi.

6. Believers are those who have faith in God. They existed in the old and new testament. If Paul could reference Abel in Hebrew 11:4 then it means he was totally in support of first fruit. Nowhere did the apostles says the old testament has been thrown away. All scriptures are inspired of God and profitable for doctrine. This includes the old testament.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Abel was a faithful believer. Abraham was the father of faith. We Christians today ought to do what our brothers in the faith did.


What?! The tree of knowledge of good and evil was Adam and Eve's tithe?

Just when I thought I've seen it all, another dubious theory comes up!

How does one tree out of the numerous trees in the garden represent tithe (one-tenth)?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 9:45am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
You call me a liar but you are the liar who even lies against the Bible. You said Joshua 7:10 says God said he will destroy Jericho. Sorry bro, the verse doesn't say such.

Joshua 7:10
And the LORD said unto Joshua, Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face?

God didn't say everything should be destroyed, rather he said the gold, silver etc are his and should be kept in his Treasury.
It is those things Achan took from that got him punished and brought God's anger on the children of Israel.
Joshua 6:18-19
18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the L ORD : they shall come into the treasury of the L ORD .


Joshua 7:20-21
20 And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the L ORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:
21 When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.

I've clearly maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe.
"10The Lord said to Joshua, “Get up! Why are you lying on the ground like this?
11Israel has sinned! They have broken the agreement with me that I ordered them to keep.
They have taken some of the things condemned to destruction.
They stole them, lied about it, and put them with their own things
.
"
- Joshua 7:10-11

You see now how not just a liar you're but you havent got the honesty & decency to admit I mistyped Joshua 7:11 to be Joshua 7:10.
You typed every other verse in the bible but avoided typing out Joshua 7:11 because it will show you out for what you really are

Achan got punished for stealing accursed and condemned things, hiding them and for lying about it

Repent from this road you're tredding because destruction lays await ahead

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:49am On Jan 04
OkaiCorne:



What?! The tree of knowledge of good and evil was Adam and Eve's tithe?

Just when I thought I've seen it all, another dubious theory comes up!

How does one tree out of the numerous trees in the garden represent tithe (one-tenth)?
What is tithe? That thing which belongs to God which you are not suppose to touch. The moment you touch it, you disobey God by robbing him. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating from the tree they were not supposed to touch after God gave them every other tree.

Genesis 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
And the L ORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God has given you 90% and wants 10% for himself so as to keep you always in acknowledgement of him. Adam and Eve failed to obey God. They wanted to do things their own way. Look what he got them. You failing to pay 10% means you want to do things your own way too.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 9:59am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
What is tithe? That thing which belongs to God which you are not suppose to touch. The moment you touch it, you disobey God by robbing him. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating from the tree they were not supposed to touch after God gave them every other tree.

Genesis 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
And the L ORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God has given you 90% and wants 10% for himself so as to keep you always in acknowledgement of him. Adam and Eve failed to obey God. They wanted to do things their own way. Look what he got them. You failing to pay 10% means you want to do things your own way too.

"Ara adugbo, ẹ gba mi ooo, oun oju mi ri, oju mi ko. SMH"
loosely translated means
"My neighbours, my neighbours, my eyes don see things, please come look at what I am reading ooo SMH"
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 10:05am On Jan 04
MuttleyLaff:
"10The Lord said to Joshua, “Get up! Why are you lying on the ground like this?
11Israel has sinned! They have broken the agreement with me that I ordered them to keep.
They have taken some of the things condemned to destruction.
They stole them, lied about it, and put them with their own things
.
"
- Joshua 7:10-11

You see now how not just a liar you're but you havent got the honesty & decency to admit I mistyped Joshua 7:11 to be Joshua 7:10.
You typed every other verse in the bible but avoided typing out Joshua 7:11 because it will show you out for what you really are

Achan got punished for stealing accursed and condemned things, hiding them and for lying about it

Repent from this road you're tredding because destruction lays await ahead

You made a silly mistake and you are expecting me to point it out for you. So much silliness. You expect me to Now be the one to admit that you mistyped. How was I to know?

It is only Good News translation that used the word destruction. Other Bible translation showed that those things were set apart for God, which means they won't be destroyed because Joshua 6:19 says they were to be kept in God's Treasury.

click link below to see how other translations put it.

https://biblehub.com/joshua/7-11.htm
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 10:20am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
You made a silly mistake and you are expecting me to point it out for you. So much silliness. You expect me to Now be the one to admit that you mistyped. How was I to know?

It is only Good News translation that used the word destruction. Other Bible translation showed that those things were set apart for God, which means they won't be destroyed because Joshua 6:19 says they were to be kept in God's Treasury.

click link below to see how other translations put it.

https://biblehub.com/joshua/7-11.htm
https://biblehub.com/text/joshua/7-11.htm

Bible translations are not God inspired, so instead of signposting me to various bible translations, click on the above link, to read what the original text says.

It called what you said are 'those things were set apart for God, which means they won't be destroyed because" accursed things earmarked for destruction because they have been condemned. You continue playing the role of a confirmed liar

Destruction is what is going to happen to people that continue in the path you are trending. If this sounds too strong for you or harsh to you, then desist and come off that path.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 10:35am On Jan 04
MuttleyLaff:
https://biblehub.com/text/joshua/7-11.htm

Bible translations are not God inspired, so instead of signposting me to various bible translations, click on the above link, to read what the original text says.

It called what you said are 'those things were set apart for God, which means they won't be destroyed because" accursed things earmarked for destruction because they have been condemned. You continue playing the role of a confirmed liar

Destruction is what is going to happen to people that continue in the path you are trending. If this sounds too strong for you or harsh to you, then desist and come off that path.
Your post has no head nor tail. Just a pile of lack of direction. Even the link you shared doesn't correlate with your post.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 10:58am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
Your post has no head nor tail. Just a pile of lack of direction. Even the link you shared doesn't correlate with your post.
The link is about and called "Text Analysis"
Read the column in the website link that says English.

Also go and find out what "cherem" means. That was the word used in the original text in Joshua 7:11 for the things God commanded should be destroyed.

Ignorance is a choice and you sure have chosen to be ignorantly so SMH.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:04am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
What is tithe? That thing which belongs to God which you are not suppose to touch. The moment you touch it, you disobey God by robbing him. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating from the tree they were not supposed to touch after God gave them every other tree.

Genesis 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
And the L ORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God has given you 90% and wants 10% for himself so as to keep you always in acknowledgement of him. Adam and Eve failed to obey God. They wanted to do things their own way. Look what he got them. You failing to pay 10% means you want to do things your own way too.


Ogbeni...stop twisting scriptures.

Generally, tithe means one-tenth.

How does the tree of knowledge of good & evil represent a tenth of all the trees in the garden of Eden?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 11:40am On Jan 04
OkCornel:


Ogbeni...stop twisting scriptures.

Generally, tithe means one-tenth.

How does the tree of knowledge of good & evil represent a tenth of all the trees in the garden of Eden?
The tree has something synonymous with tithe. They both belong to God and should not be touched. Same concept lies with the Sabbath day. God gave us every other day to work but the Sabbath day should be kept holy.

Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9-11
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
11 For in six days the L ORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the L ORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 11:43am On Jan 04
MuttleyLaff:
The link is about and called "Text Analysis"
Read the column in the website link that says English.

Also go and find out what "cherem" means. That was the word used in the original text in Joshua 7:11 for the things God commanded should be destroyed.

Ignorance is a choice and you sure have chosen to be ignorantly so SMH.
You are still not making any sense, even your link doesn't correlate with your thoughts. If God ordered those things to be destroyed as you claim, due to being received by Good News translation, how come Joshua 6:19 said those things should be kept in the Lord's Treasury because they are his?

Man, stop confusing yourself.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:45am On Jan 04
OkCornel:


Tithing and firstfruits and the other ceremonial laws of Moses are obsolete.


You my friend are up against Christ then for here is what He said;
The Message Bible. Matthew 5:17-22
"Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets.

I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama.

God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet.

Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working.

"Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself.

But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom of God.


And, besides, i hope you know that Cain and Able were the first to offer First Fruits? Was the Law functional then? lolz. The only part of God's law obsolete is the sacrificial laws which were replaced with the sacrifice of Christ.

People like you who take the Word of God as literal as you dreplacedp like frosbel saying God does not exists. You know why? The ordinances of God which shows commitment and obedience to God are trampled on by you. When Crisis comes and you call but get no answer, you scream 'God is a scam'.

Enjoy your stance, bye.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:46am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
The tree has something synonymous with tithe. They both belong to God and should not be touched. Same concept lies with the Sabbath day. God gave us every other day to work but the Sabbath day should be kept holy.

Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9-11
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
11 For in six days the L ORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the L ORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

How does one tree (Knowledge of good & evil) out of the numerous numbers of trees in the garden of Eden become a tithe (one-tenth)?
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:47am On Jan 04
Anas09:

You my friend are up against Christ then for here is what He said;
The Message Bible. Matthew 5:17-22
"Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets.

I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama.

God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet.

Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working.

"Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself.

But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom of God.


And, besides, i hope you know that Cain and Able were the first to offer First Fruits? Was the Law functional then? lolz. The only part of God's law obsolete is the sacrificial laws which were replaced with the sacrifice of Christ.

People like you who take the Word of God as literal as you dreplacedp like frosbel saying God does not exists. You know why? The ordinances of God which shows commitment and obedience to God are trampled on by you. When Crisis comes and you call but get no answer, you scream 'God is a scam'.

Enjoy your stance, bye.

And now that Jesus has fulfilled the Law and replaced it with a new covenant, what business does christians have with the law Christ has fulfilled?

If you insist that you are under the Law, I hope you know Galatians 3 v 10 makes it clear that you are cursed...

[q]For as many as are of the works of the Law, are under the curse: [r]For it is written, Cursed is every man that continueth not in all things, which are written in the book of the Law, to do them.

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 11:48am On Jan 04
OkCornel:


How does one tree (Knowledge of good & evil) out of the numerous numbers of trees in the garden of Eden become a tithe (one-tenth)?

Blind bat.

Remain blind cos I owe you no further explanation.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:50am On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
Blind bat.

Remain blind cos I owe you no further explanation.

That is because your lies are not adding up.

How on God's green earth does a single tree out of the numerous trees in the garden of Eden represent tithe (one-tenth)?

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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 11:53am On Jan 04
OkCornel:


And now that Jesus has fulfilled the Law and replaced it with a new covenant, what business does christians have with the law Christ has fulfilled?

If you insist that you are under the Law, I hope you know Galatians 3 v 10 makes it clear that you are cursed...

[q]For as many as are of the works of the Law, are under the curse: [r]For it is written, Cursed is every man that continueth not in all things, which are written in the book of the Law, to do them.
Since Christ has fulfilled the law, then go about swearing by and profaning God's name.

Leviticus 19:12
And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 11:59am On Jan 04
OkCornel:


And now that Jesus has fulfilled the Law and replaced it with a new covenant, what business does christians have with the law Christ has fulfilled?

If you insist that you are under the Law, I hope you know Galatians 3 v 10 makes it clear that you are cursed...

[q]For as many as are of the works of the Law, are under the curse: [r]For it is written, Cursed is every man that continueth not in all things, which are written in the book of the Law, to do them.
Galatians 3 is actually talking about depending on works of righteousness according to the law as a way of salvation and justification. Paul clearly stated that depending on such works as a way of salvation makes one cursed because we have been saved by grace through faith. That's why in his letter to the Ephesians he stated that salvation is not of works.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 12:18pm On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:

Since Christ has fulfilled the law, then go about swearing by and profaning God's name.

Leviticus 19:12
And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

Romans 13 v 8-10 answers this - Through Love for God and man, the Law is fulfilled;

8 [o]Owe nothing to any man, but to love one another: [p]for he that loveth another, hath fulfilled the [q]Law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet: and if there be any other commandment, it is [r]briefly comprehended in this saying, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

10 Love doeth not evil to his neighbor: therefore is love the fulfilling of the Law.


Note: You have to obey all the instructions in the Law, lest you are under a curse as clearly stated in Galatians 3 v 10
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 12:21pm On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:
You are still not making any sense, even your link doesn't correlate with your thoughts. If God ordered those things to be destroyed as you claim, due to being received by Good News translation, how come Joshua 6:19 said those things should be kept in the Lord's Treasury because they are his?

Man, stop confusing yourself.
You can dance away from understanding the truth of Joshua 7:11 as much as you like. You can also continue to be proof texting too but it truly won't serve you no good.

What does "cherem" in Joshua 7:11 originally means please alBHAGDADI?

You can't and dont see "qodesh" in Joshua 7:11 so you have to go looking for it by proof texting with Joshua 6:19, this shows how desperate you are
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 2:02pm On Jan 04
OkCornel:


Romans 13 v 8-10 answers this - Through Love for God and man, the Law is fulfilled;

8 [o]Owe nothing to any man, but to love one another: [p]for he that loveth another, hath fulfilled the [q]Law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet: and if there be any other commandment, it is [r]briefly comprehended in this saying, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

10 Love doeth not evil to his neighbor: therefore is love the fulfilling of the Law.


Note: You have to obey all the instructions in the Law, lest you are under a curse as clearly stated in Galatians 3 v 10

Now how can you say you love God when you cannot give him 10% of your earnings which he says is his? You fail to understand that it is love that will guide you to fulfill the law, this doesn't say love throws away the law. The law stands, but as long as you can love God and your neighbor, you will be able to fulfill it.

Even after I explained Galatians 3:10 to you, you are still holding on to it.
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkaiCorne(m): 2:12pm On Jan 04
alBHAGDADI:


Now how can you say you love God when you cannot give him 10% of your earnings which he says is his? You fail to understand that it is love that will guide you to fulfill the law, this doesn't say love throws away the law. The law stands, but as long as you can love God and your neighbor, you will be able to fulfill it.

Even after I explained Galatians 3:10 to you, you are still holding on to it.

And where was it mandated for Christians to part with 10% of their income as a sign of their love for God?

Where did Jesus or the Apostles command Christians to give tithes and firstfruits?

Did Matthew 25 v 31-46 or 2 Corinthians 9v7 mention anything on tithes and firstfruits?

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