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|Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:07pm On Jan 05|
Satan's Attack On The Bible!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:20pm On Jan 07|
The Attack On The Word of God
See where it is coming from.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by buchilino(m): 9:17pm On Jan 07|
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|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 9:31pm On Jan 07|
If you have a Bible and it's not a King James Version, then it's Satan's book you have.
Read the link below for more
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Janosky: 9:58pm On Jan 07|
Of a truth, half baked knowledge is more dangerous to man than ignorance .
Pls, don't let the prejudices, obvious bias & misrepresentation of facts by the OP mislead U.
Google "Matt 18:11 biblehub", apply the same format to check every verse that the OP claimed was "removed".
For instance, Matt 18:11
"For the son of man came to save that which was lost"
'For the son of man is come'
The words are wanting in many of the best MSS (manuscripts)"
"this verse is omitted by the Sinaitic & Vatican manuscripts... it is supposed to be an interpolation from Luke 19:10 ..."
Matt 18:11 does not exist in the earliest manuscripts but excerpts from the words in Luke 19:10 was copied into Matt 18:11 in KJV.
The same process was repeated in other verses which the OP falsely claimed were "removed".
A 16th century manuscript, Textus Receptus was the Source text for translation of KJV.
Any Bible versions where some verses were omitted did not use textus receptus but was translated from far older & more accurate manuscripts such as the Sinatic manuscript etc
pls check here for further details:
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 3:15am On Jan 08|
You say earlier manuscripts?
The king James version was translated from the textus receptus which was the manuscript many had at that time. The KJV was what the world was using and believed to be the accurate word of God. Later on, archeologist discovered some manuscripts which they found out to be older than the Textus Receptus. It is from those manuscripts all these modern Bibles got translated from. That is why they all lack those verse which their manuscripts lack. Have you not wondered why those verses which are key verses are missing in them? The fact that they are older manuscripts doesn't mean they are truly original and what the apostles passed down to us. For them to be missing those key verses shows that they are the design of Satan who has been corrupting the word of God from the Garden of Eden. Paul spoke of people corrupting the word of God during his days.
2 Corinthians 2:17
For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Don't you think those so-called earlier manuscripts could be as a result of the work of those corrupting the word of God in Paul's days? If such people existed then, what makes you think they don't today, or has Satan stopped trying to change Gods word?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:54am On Jan 08|
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|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Janosky: 1:05pm On Jan 08|
Who told u that "the KJV was what the world was using & believed to be accurate word of God"?
Crappy trash !
Many other versions of holy Bible existed before the KJV, for instance the sahidic Coptic Bible which dates back to the 2nd century. Textus receptus na infant baby where sahidic Coptic Bible dey.
The hard evidence has no room to accommodate your conjecture & misleading assumptions.
Where did textus receptus get the parts to fill in those blank verses ?
The words of another verse (Luke 19:10 ) was interpolated into Matt 18:11, the same process was evident in other verses which had the same issue of blank verses.
There's no vital dissimilarity between the message of Luke 19:10 & Matt18:11 .
To suggest or conclude that some truths were removed ,hidden or tampered with, that's gross distortion of the truth.
A spurious piece of crap.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:16pm On Jan 08|
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by buchilino(m): 7:10pm On Jan 08|
YES, WAT OF THE FORCE
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 7:56pm On Jan 08|
*God's word was ORIGINALLY written by 40 different men.
*The original manuscripts were written in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek.
*All of them were Jews and they wrote 66 books in total.
*They were inspired by God's Holy Spirit.
*The last of these writers was Apostle John.
*John finished his writing around 98 a.d
*The Bible was first translated as a whole to Greek.
Then Latin,French,Arabic and few other unpopular languages until the Church in England resolved to TRASLATE the Bible INTO English after so must arguments, prosecution and persecution of those who tried to own a copy of the Bible.
It was commissioned during the 16th centuries (1,500 years after the last INSPIRED writer penned the last Bible book)
Many translators began making research to know what was MISSING or ADDED because it's obvious that all those professing to believe in this book aren't exhibiting virtuous FRUITS! They believe something is wrong somewhere, that's what gave birth to various versions of the English Bible. Most of this researchers faced fierce persecution from the Churches, many were burnt ALIVE! Whoever wants to know the TRUTH of this matter should just Google "William Tyndale" and see for yourselves all the atrocities committed against those who tried to find out the TRUTH, NOT the usual tradition of the Church!
So for a twenty~first century churchgoer who only grew up to know the TRADITION of the existing Churches to disqualify every other English translations in favour of just ONE is dogmatic for REAL!
How can you who was born within 1900s discard almost six other translations simply because they're not in conformity to the TRADITION you're used to?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 8:12pm On Jan 08|
If you're not stupid,
* you're not there when the Bible was written.
*you don't know the inspired writers.
*you don't know the translators
*you did not make further research to know why there are differences.
You only know the popular TRADITION of the Churches around you!
Certainly you'll be a very stupid judge, seeing over 5~6 witnesses saying EXACTLY the same thing but you kept insisting that only one person that's saying the opposite is right simply because YOU KNEW HIM FIRST!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 8:29pm On Jan 08|
ATHEISM is fast spreading today because of all these dogmatic ideas of you churchgoers! Instead of VERIFYING things to be sure,you'll just believe whatever your greedy pastors are telling you!
Yet with all their born again stuff,people are becoming more and more intolerant, killings everywhere, rituals,prostitution,robberies,fraud and other shameful conducts are prevalent everywhere!
Sorry my friend, if you're blind spiritually intelligent individuals aren't blind like you, that's why many have gone ahead to verify if what these so called churches are teaching them is TRUE. The result of their sweat and voluntary efforts is the numerous versions of the English Bible showing that the Churches have committed a lot of blunders and gross sin against God's word, INSERTING their own ideas to suit their TRADITION!
So if you want to remain in the dark,that's your choice my friend!
But intellectuals will never agree that all is well when things aren't working out fine! Matthew 7:15-20
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 8:38pm On Jan 08|
This is Mahatma Gandhi (Indian activist).
He fell in love with Jesus after reading Jesus' utterances as recorded in the gospels, but he's puzzled why those professing followers of this PERFECT teacher aren't PERFORMING up to expectations!
Well for your information, it's because churchgoers aren't meditating on the WORDS spoken by Jesus, they're dogmatically following the TRADITION handed over to them by the misinformed and misrepresentation they knew as Church Fathers!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 8:54pm On Jan 08|
This is very interesting.
So why did you ONLY uphold NWT above thousands of other translations in existence
Also, those who are seeking the TRUTH by providing true translation who are not JW will they be among the 144,000 in heaven or be resurrected on earth?
This is how you people always shoot yourself in the leg.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 8:54pm On Jan 08|
KJV was the translation used by English speakers and missIonaries who were translating it to other languages. The sahidic Coptic Bible was no original manuscript like the textus receptus, but was also a translation like the kjv which means it is just another language.
Removing verse 11 of Mathew 18 is to somehow distort the message of the chapter. In the chapter, we see a parable of the lost sheep. Verse 11 shows Jesus is that shepherd who goes after that which is lost i.e the lost sheep. Yes, Luke 19:10 contains the same words as Mathew 18:11, but don't we have new testament verses which are exactly from the old testament? Don't we also have verses in some new testament books found in other new testament books? Are you now saying, they were dubiously copied?
You talk as if those who claim all these other Bible versions are corrupt are saying trash. Below is an example juxtaposing the KJV and the NIV together.
King James Version
Acts 8:36-38 King James Version (KJV)
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
New International Version NIV
Acts 8:36-38 New International Version (NIV)
36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?”
38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
As seen above, what the eunuch needed to do in order for him to be baptized is clearly missing in the NIV which lacks verse 37 where it is stated in the KJV. Before you can be baptized, you have to believe in Jesus. But the NIV clearly shows that such believe is not needed, that one can just go ahead and be baptized. Believe in Jesus Christ is needed before anything. Thats why Paul told the prison warder to believe in Jesus Christ when he asked for what he had to do to be saved. Notice in the passage below that it was after Paul told him to believe in Jesus Christ before he was baptized.
Acts 16:30-33 King James Version (KJV)
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Can you see that these modern Bibles translations deliberately omit verses so as to distort the word of God?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 8:55pm On Jan 08|
Had it been that Mahatma Gandhi was privileged to know Jehovah's Witnesses, perhaps his statement would have been just as that of Terrence Howard!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 9:14pm On Jan 08|
Isn't JW part of today's world?
at least JW movement has been around for the past 100years almost the same age with Pentecostal. Isn't 100years enough for JW to turn Atheist to Christ if Atheism is waxing stronger?
How many Atheist do you convert to Christ in a year?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by frosbel2(m): 9:17pm On Jan 08|
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|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 9:23pm On Jan 08|
@bolden--Waooo truly Devil has no shame.
Didn't you also discard the same six translations simply because it's not in line with NWT?
Or you want to tell me you agree with those six translations in entirety?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 9:26pm On Jan 08|
TATIME:Going with the majority is wrong.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide
is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Yes, we knew the KJV first just as we knew the gospel given by the apostles first. Any other Bible version or gospel that comes after is accursed.
Galatians 1:8-9 Kjv
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 9:30pm On Jan 08|
What of thousands of Muslims, Atheists, Buhdists, Jewish e.t.c who have privileges to know Jehovah's witness since 1900's?
Also, I thought you people claimed JW didn't start with Russell but has always been. So, why this Mahatma didn't meet JW of his own time?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 9:38pm On Jan 08|
Emusan:I like your style.
The best way to deal with JW when they are mocking other denominations is to use the same yardstick on them.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Janosky: 12:22am On Jan 09|
Sahidic Coptic Bible was translated from the Greek Septuagint. in the. 2nd century & still older than both the KJV & it's source text- TR manuscript.
There's no iota of truth or foolproof evidence anywhere to support your claim that verses were omitted or removed to distort the holy scriptures.
How come that among thousands of older manuscript that exists ,there's no one ,not even the Septuagint supports your claims or contains those verses that U alleged were "removed" ?
Whereas hard evidence exist that lends credence to the fact other verses were interpolated into all blank verses in KJV & TR manuscript.
How come u no see anything wrong with the fraud inserted into 1tim 3:16 & 1John5:7,8,(kjv) but u dey fabricate "removed " put for Acts 8;36-38, Matt 18:11 etc?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 3:24am On Jan 09|
Emusan:Let me first say "you're welcome" Emusan into the discussion!
What we're saying is ATHEISTS aren't kicking against the Bible INTENTIONALLY, it's the TRADITION of the Churches that's making them condemn the DOCUMENT that the so called churches are holding so dear!
Now we're talking about different versions of the English Bible, and someone is saying all other TRANSLATIONS are false simply because he knew KJV first! But all these churches has been operating using the KJV! And their performance as Christians is nothing to write home about.
So why condemn other TRANSLATIONS when the only one in use is NOT yielding positive FRUITS?
To illustrate, if you're having about 10 different keys in your hands,will you stick to just one when it's NOT opening the door?
Jehovah's Witnesses are performing excellently in changing people across the globe today,and i can confidently say all their efforts started yielding positive FRUITS "when they stopped using the KJV!"
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 3:33am On Jan 09|
Emusan:If we tell you that Jehovah's Witnesses have been in existence before Charles Taze Russell, you'll start arguing with us.
Well for your information, the GROUP name Jehovah's Witnesses was adopted during the 1930s, but all those who laid down their lives for the sake of the TRUTH are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES beginning from Abel till today!
Whoever died for the TRUTH (after Christ) and before the commencement of the gathering of the great crowd during the 1930s is PART OF THE 144,000!
So don't think that the GROUP name is what matters but rather it's their commitment to the TRUTH! God bless you.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 3:43am On Jan 09|
Emusan:Jehovah's Witnesses aren't condemning those translations because any effort to translate a big book such as the Bible, which was originally written in three different ancient languages into the modern day languages Worth's commendations!
What we're saying is the TRANSLATORS made several mistakes that's distorting the meaning of the messages thereby jeopardizing the chances of understanding the Bible.
Jesus condemns killings but the Churches for centuries haven't figure out how to apply what this Nazarene said! Is that not worth examining?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 3:46am On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:Of course Sir, going by the majority is wrong and judging without scrutiny is the gross wickedness as well!
So it's good to INVESTIGATE matters THOROUGHLY when you're seeing about 7 people saying the same thing and just one person saying another!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 4:04am On Jan 09|
Emusan:God's people we're given the assignment to preach and teach globally, but the Churches are making things difficult for them. I'll use my own case as an example!
I knew Jehovah's Witnesses for the first time in 1993,whereas i've met them in schools and in the neighborhood but because i thought i'm a Christian and my parents who are misinformed churchgoers are preventing them from speaking to me, i never knew their purpose. It's when i started living on my own and noticing the way people often humiliate these easygoing preachers that i started asking thought provoking questions. And can you imagine that even those insulting them knew NOTHING about them! My father and mother said so many things against them but couldn't prove one single thing from the Bible!
That's when i realise that if i really want to know the TRUTH, i must ask these people questions to speak for themselves at least to hear them out!
So Mahatma Gandhi can't notice them since they're always facing fierce persecution from the religious leaders who feels they've come to snatch away their members,and these ones are the POPULAR religious people that Mahatma will know EASILY!
Michael Jackson, Prince, Terrence Howard are Americans and they're able to know Jehovah's Witnesses because America is the ONLY nation that insisted on FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship, so NOTHING could stop you from knowing Jehovah's Witnesses in their place unless if you choose to ignore them.
For your information, America is the worst when it comes to immorality but God is solidly behind that country because they gave HIS people total freedom to worship HIM!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 6:28am On Jan 09|
TATIME:When 7 people are saying the same thing against one person saying something different, it usually means they are correct and that one person is wrong. But that is the way the world views things which is contrary to how God sees things. There are tonnes of religion all preaching works based salvation and claiming to be the way to God e.g Islam, bhudism, Hinduism, JW, Pentecostal churches, pagans etc. They are all saying your works have something to do with what gets you to heaven. Now can we say that is God's way, especially when his son says he is the way the truth and the life and that believe in him is all you need and not works as seen in Ephesians 2:8-9?
Are you saying when the world gathers and agrees on something, that is also what God agrees on?
Romans 3:4 (KJV)
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 6:43am On Jan 09|
Janosky:Don't you get it? Something is older doesn't mean. it is the accurate word of God. Satan has been perverting God's word since the garden of Eden, what makes you think he didn't do same during the time the apostles were writing the gospel?
Now, you claim a word was fraudulently inserted into 1 Timothy 3:16 of KJV. If I get you, that word is God, right? Now, look at how the KJV puts the verse.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Compare the above KJV with the NIV below to see the difference. The difference is that instead of the word God, the NIV and other Bible translations use the word HE.
NIV 1 Timothy 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory
Now, who is the HE who appeared in flesh? The NIV has no answer for that, but the kind James version does and the HE is God. The NIV and these modern Bible translations clearly attacks the Trinity, but you have failed to see that. They removed God and replaced it with HE. This means anybody can take the Antichrist as the HE. They don't want you to know that it is God who came in flesh to save mankind. The NIV and all these modern translations greatly appeal to false beliefs like that held by the Jehovah's Witnesses who say Jesus was an angel i.e angel Michael, which means it was angel Michael who came in flesh. But the king James version in its accuracy proves them wrong in 1 Timothy 3:16 by stating that it is God that came in flesh not angel Michael. The NIV and other translations only prove them right.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 7:03am On Jan 09|
Mathew 9:13 kjv
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Other Bible versions have removed repentance from the passage.
New International Version
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
New Living Translation
Then he added, "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: 'I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.' For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."
English Standard Version
Go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
What they are basically saying is that Jesus came to call sinners for No purpose. Perhaps, they are saying the righteous people who Jesus said he did not come to call are doomed while sinners are the saved. No, he didn't come to call the righteous because they are already right. He came to call the sinners to repent of their sins and be righteous too.
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
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