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|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 7:15am On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:You're not getting my point here!
The KJV is not from those inspired Jews who penned down the scriptures,it's the handiwork of TRANSLATORS from England! So nobody can say the KJV is the best translation since you're not part of those who translated it from the ORIGINAL manuscripts. Your attachment to KJV is merely on the ground of FAMILIARITY.
For example, the NWT from Jehovah's Witnesses was translated from ancient manuscripts available,compared to existing versions(including the KJV) and used by Jehovah's Witnesses globally as the best translation ever. Why? Because it's the users that spent all their time,resources and effort in the TRANSLATION,and it has been revised for modern day English!
Unlike you who is just supporting the KJV because it's the translation that the Churches have been using since the 1600s reading and comfortable with the old English spoken by Romeo and Juliet as if Moses or Jesus speaks in the 17th century English!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 7:27am On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:You're complicating issues here my friend!
All what you've quoted are saying EXACTLY the same thing,all the translators did a fine job here, they're only trying to hard meaning to what they're TRANSLATING!
For your information, whoever AGREED that he/she is a sinner already knew that there are measures to be taken for CLEANSING and there is no other way than to first STOP what is causing the BLEMISH which connotes REPENTANCE!
What i thought you should have mentioned is KJV's Matthew 17:21 which all other translators OMITTED!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:52am On Jan 09|
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 7:57am On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:Translation of books written in both Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek to English is what we're saying here my friend. Translators must CAREFULLY consider and compare other texts in the scriptures so as not to be presenting their own ideas as teachings. The word or term TRINITY you holds so dear can't be found in any text from Genesis to Revelations, so you need to thread with caution my friend. These translators took their time to study the Bible CAREFULLY from Genesis to Revelations in order to grasp the message that God is passing to mankind through the Bible!
So if the translators of KJV believe in TRINITY of course it will reflect in their translation, but that will not occur in the work of others who are of different opinions.
The text in question is no doubt about JESUS but while the KJV equals Jesus with the Almighty God, others feels it's can't be so simple! Considering other texts like Exodus 7:1 where God made Moses like God to Pharaoh, but Moses is not the Almighty God. So the translators are INDIRECTLY saying "it's the same in the case of Jesus of Nazareth" He came as a God but He is not the Almighty God! Philippians 2:5,6
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:58am On Jan 09|
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by buchilino(m): 8:15am On Jan 09|
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 8:16am On Jan 09|
The attack on God's word has been from ancient times. King Jehoiakim of Judah ordered that all the books of the laws of the true God be burnt! Jeremiah 36:22-24
Jehoiakim also ordered that Urijah (God's prophet) be seized from Egypt and brought to Judah, and he killed Prophet Urijah because of God's word! Jeremiah 26:20-24
The drawings below depicts the execution of William Tyndale who was strangled and burnt to death for CHALLENGING the TRANSLATION of the Church!
Today every translator remembers William Tyndale as the pioneer of various English versions of the Bible because he laid down his life so that you and i can get the unadulterated TRUTH of God's word!
So if someone who never knew the translators of KJV is now condemning other TRANSLATIONS, we need to think what such a person will do(if he has authority over others) to those questioning the authenticity of the KJV since it was also a mere translation NOT the original manuscripts from the inspired writers!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:33am On Jan 09|
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|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 8:59am On Jan 09|
You say the new translations also get revised to conform to modern English, which means you all did it so that people can understand the Bible easily. That is wrong because it is Not everybody that is suppose to understand the Bible. The only people who are to understand the Bible are people with the spirit of God because those without that spirit cannot understand the word of God which is spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The Bible also says that the holy spirit will teach us all things. This means that if you don't have the holy spirit, you can't know all things which Jesus said in his word which is the Bible.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
So, anybody trying to bring in a new translation in English other than the KJV is clearly on the wrong. They say they are revising into modern English so that people can understand, whereas the Bible clearly shows that you can understand unless you have the spirit of God. This means that the KJV which is in Archaic English of Shakespeare will still be understood by someone with the holy spirit in him. We have seen clearly from my previous posts on this thread how this modern translations omitted verses and removed words. They did so because of an agenda.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 9:54am On Jan 09|
Another error found in the Good News Bible. It clearly takes away the fact that the sign from God is that a virgin will conceive. Instead it rubbishes the virgin prophecy by saying it is just a woman that will conceive. If it's any woman, how is that a sign?
Good News Bible
Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him 'Immanuel.'
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 10:21am On Jan 09|
So it's churches that are making things difficult for JWs, wonders shall never end.
So what's the accusation all about when you're preaching everyday yet Atheists are increasing everyday?
Only God knows how many lies you'll peddle in propagating your false faith.
Now claiming to be a Christian when you previously claimed to be a Muslim.
I don't have anything to say again if you can admit YOUR OWN PARENT TO BE A BRAINWASHED CHURCHGOERS
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Janosky: 10:38am On Jan 09|
The words of a coded Pharisee who promotes man made fallacies & false doctrines- once saved always saved; Trinity etc.
God does not desire that any should perish(2 pet 3:9) , by granting everyone the chance to gain "eternal life" by knowing the only true God & know Jesus whom God sent (John 17:3) but alBHAGDADI says "that is wrong because it is not everybody that is supposed to understand the Bible".
" How are people to call upon him whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear with out a preacher?" Rom10:14
This guy implies that holy spirit fell on Philip & he instantly received
understanding of the word....
Pharisee dey form Christian.
The real agenda here is your baseless claims that Matt 18:11& other verses were "removed"
Why U no mention one older manuscript wey no get those blank verses wey 15th century copyists go put for TR manuscript?
U come here dey deceive yourself
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 10:45am On Jan 09|
The bolden part exposes your ignorance and dishonesty.
The OP raised a point about how some TRANSLATIONS distorted the Bible by removing some part and erased their meanings, you rushed in only to say jargon but came back to agree with the same OP that actually TRANSLATORS made several mistakes.
Besides, I believe the translators of NWT are not left out in your "What we're saying is the TRANSLATORS made several mistakes that's distorting the meaning of the messages thereby jeopardizing the chances of understanding the Bible."
We care to know those versions that didn't make mistakes and distort Bible meaning and those that did.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 10:47am On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:Hmmmmmmmm You've shot yourself in the leg my friend! Because the Pharisees were criticising Jesus for the same reason. He was trying to SIMPLIFY God's word before the common people! John 7:46-49
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Emusan(m): 10:54am On Jan 09|
Waoooo it's getting more interesting, so those who died for the truth be it Christian, Muslim, Atheist e.tc before the group name was ADOPTED, were JWs.
So after a NAME was adopted in 1930's, why did your organization then say without being part of this group you'll be destroyed at Armageddon?
So to you now only to die for the TRUTH is the criteria to make heaven.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 11:12am On Jan 09|
John 7:46-49 King James Version (KJV)
46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
47 Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
How does the above passage say Jesus was simplifying God's word before common people? Jesus is the Word of God and all he said are the words of God. He wasn't simplifying anything but saying them just as it is from God.
Look for another excuse
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 11:32am On Jan 09|
You call me a Pharisee for preaching once saved always saved? A Pharisee is actually one who believes in works of righteousness over Jesus. I believe in Jesus over my works as ordered by Ephesians 2:8-9, while you believe in your works over Jesus. Now, who is the Pharisee?
Yes, it is not everyone that can understand the word of God. You might read it, but as long as you are still in the flesh and without the spirit of God, you will never understand it. That is why you need a spirit-filled person to explain it to you, or else you read in vain. All through the Bible, the people who accepted Jesus Christ didn't do so of their own i.e they didn't wake up one morning and accepted him. They were preached to by spirit-filled persons who explained the word of God to the before they accepted Jesus.
Example is that Ethiopian Eunuch who was reading a passage from the old testament but couldn't understand what he was reading until Philip led by the Holy Spirit explained it to him. He then immediately gave his life to Jesus. If the word of God was for everybody like you claim, how come he couldn't understand it and had to rely on a spirit-filled Philip to explain it to him?
Acts 8:26-40 King James Version (KJV)
26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Another example is Paul and the prison warder. Paul spoke the word of God to him and got him saved.
Acts 16:30-33 King James Version (KJV)
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
If everyone could understand the word of God, then Christians will just give them the Bible and that's all. But true Christians who know that the word of God is spirit and can only be understood by spirit-filled persons won't stop at just giving them the Bible. They will proceed to explain the content to them and get them saved. Those people can't understand the word of God because they don't have the spirit of God in them, this makes them ordinary flesh.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.
I can see that you even shot yourself in the foot without knowing. You quoted Romans 10:14 when it actually speaks against you.
Romans 10:14[b][/b] King James Version (KJV)
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
The above verse says the word of God needs to be preached before people can hear it and believe in Jesus. It doesn't say people have to just read the word of God and automatically they will believe in Jesus. The verse gives an order which must be followed: (1) A preacher preaching the word of God (2) People hearing the word of God as preached by the preacher and (3) Believing in the word of God which they have heard.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 2:47pm On Jan 09|
Other bible translations call Joseph the father of Jesus which is wrong. The King James Version carefully ensures such mistake doesn't happen.
Luke 2:33 King James Bible
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
But look at how other Bible translations rendered the verse.
New International Version
The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
New Living Translation
Jesus' parents were amazed at what was being said about him.
English Standard Version
And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.
Berean Study Bible
The Child’s father and mother were amazed at what was spoken about Him.
Berean Literal Bible
And His father and mother were marveling at the things having been spoken concerning Him.
New American Standard Bible
And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him.
New World Translation
And its father and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about it.
God Almighty is the father of Jesus Christ as seen in the verse below.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Now, if other bible translations say Joseph is the father of Jesus as shown in how they render Luke 2:33, then it means they are calling Joseph Blessed as seen in Ephesians 1:3 above. This is similar to how Catholics call Mary Blessed and mother of God.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 2:54pm On Jan 09|
John 16:8 KJV
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
The below Bible translation says the Holy Spirit will demonstrate how to sin to the world.
Darby Bible Translation
And having come, he will bring demonstration to the world, of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 4:25pm On Jan 09|
*If someone couldn't UNDERSTAND some forms of principles, how can he/she be obedient to it?
* And if it's only by God's spirit that people can UNDERSTAND HIS words,who is to blame if they failed to keep what they couldn't UNDERSTAND?
*Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation and there are so many religious groups contradicting the idea that someone called Jesus is whom they must believe to be saved,apart from countless others falsely claiming they belong to the same Jesus. So who is to blame if God's spirit should PARTIALLY reveal the TRUTH to some and leave others?
Well those questions needs to be answered otherwise you're indirectly justifying what ATHEISTS are claiming "there's no practical wisdom in what you're calling FAITH".
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 4:40pm On Jan 09|
Emusan:That's what Jesus confirmed!
Jesus is the TRUTH! John 14:6
So keep seeking for the Truth ALWAYS or in other words (RIGHTEOUSNESS) and you will be saved! Zephaniah 2:2,3 Keep asking questions, praying and begging God to help you not to sell your conscience when the TRUTH is around you,and you will be saved! Matthew 7:7
Heavenly life is STRICTLY for born again Christians, so those who never became Christians can't go to heaven but as long as they lived as prisoners of conscience they'll be resurrected to come and learn what they had no opportunity to learn which is the new personality (Jesus). They can only be condemned if they had the chances of becoming Christians and rejected it because of shame,of course such person can't stand for the TRUTH! Matthew 10:33
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 4:46pm On Jan 09|
1. He can't understand those principles unless he is taught by a spirit person. Example is the Ethiopian Eunuch who red but couldn't understand until Philip taught him. After getting taught, he obeyed.
2. They failed to accept the spirit of God when the chance was offered which happened when they rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ. The procedure goes thus: Get preached to, accept Jesus Christ, receive the holy spirit and get the ability to read the Bible and understand it all alone. Without that procedure, you will never understand the Bible which is the word of God.
3. Mind you, it is not everybody that will be saved. Some are destined to be damned, that's why they never understand the Bible and get its content wrong. They simply failed to follow the above procedure which would have enable them receive the holy spirit which would have taught them the Bible and how to understand it.
Atheists have rejected the gospel and are even opposed to it. So how can they receive the spirit which will show them the wisdom of the Bible?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 5:03pm On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:So someone who devoted his/her time to reading, studying and meditating on Jesus' words that are WRITTEN in the Bible will be condemned because "he had not receive the holy spirit"
So how will an interested person IDENTIFY those that are having that spirit in the midst of thousands of so called Pastors that are materialists?
And God has DESTINED some to destruction! Please for what reason ooooo? Since they've been judged already without a fair trial!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Janosky: 5:12pm On Jan 09|
Ee be like say u dey like iwuruwuru well well...
in all the older manuscript, "Joseph" was never mentioned in Luke 2:33, except in the KJV,
rather "father ' was stated there.
It's not necessary to over flog this issue since abundant evidence exist that Jehovah recognized Joseph as Jesus' adoptive father on earth
U consciously admit that "God Almighty is " the God & Father of our lord Jesus Christ"(Eph1:3) but subconsciously kick against that gospel truth by your false doctrine of Trinity.
How can the son be Jehovah God he calls "my Father & my God?"
why u dey vex when Catholics call Mary "mother of God"?
It is hypocrisy for u to fault them. They are bold to admit what u deny. Belief in Trinity implies that your "triune god" has a mother.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 5:30pm On Jan 09|
Your problem is that you are fooled by the term ''older manuscripts'' which ahs made you believe it automatically makes them original and of God. How can they be of God when they say Joseph is the father of Jesus Christ when God is actually the father of Jesus as stated by the disciples of Jesus? I also showed you how their wrong translation as made Joseph to be seen as blessed just as Catholics see Mary as blessed and deserving of worship.
Yes, Joseph is the adoptive father of Jesus on earth, but how come all these so-called older manuscripts didn't say that in Luke 2:33? Why did they just call him father instead of adoptive father? Don't they know that it will lead to confusion i.e confusion of thinking Joseph is the biological father of Jesus? God is not the author of confusion.
Trinity states that God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are one but distinct and not the same person. The Father is greater than the rest but they are all God.
As for Catholics, how can Mary be the mother of God who created her? God only used her as a vessel into the world. Catholics are pagans who just twisted the word of God to support their pagan worship of a female deity. Their ideology is not inspired by the Trinity.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 5:38pm On Jan 09|
Yes, because Jesus said in John 3;5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Yes, the person might study the Bible all day, but without the Holy Spirit in him, he is not saved. God can have mercy on such a person by sending a spirit-filled person to preach to him, show him the true meaning of what he has been reading, and get him saved. Remember that Ethiopian Eunuch who read the Old Testament but couldn't understand it or get saved as a result. God had mercy on him and sent Philip to teach him to understand what he read and get him saved.
Those whom God wants to save, he sends his children to go and preach to them. Remember the Bible says it is God that draws a person to himself.
John 6:44 King James Version (KJV)
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Unless God draws such a person, he will keep falling into the hands of ministers of satan who have transformed themselves into ministers of light.
People condemned already are so because they have rejected Jesus Christ despite having the knowledge.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 5:50pm On Jan 09|
alBHAGDADI:Please let's get this straight!
Is it God that will force them to understand by HIS spirit or they'll humble themselves for wisdom?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by Janosky: 6:35pm On Jan 09|
Be humble & admit the Gospel truth & make Satan shame.
The older manuscripts dates as far as before the 2nd century then the Trinity was never heard of or taught anywhere until about 3rd/4th century the council of Nicene brought it into being, by fire by force them begin falsify the manuscripts thereafter to suit alBHAGDADI lies.
1 tim3:16, the word "God" does not occur " in the Septuagint or any other older manuscripts except the 16th century TR.
In the oldest manuscripts,it reads thus: "He who was manifest ..."
God in heaven spoke &called himself "son" Matt 3:16,17
"God". prayed to himself Matt 26:39
"God" cried out 'why he had forsaken himself', Matt 27:46
Then, "God" died Matt27:50
whereas the ALMIGHTY God Jehovah is immortal, never dies . Psalm90:1,2. 1tim 1:17
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by TATIME: 6:42pm On Jan 09|
Janosky:NO you're not getting it Sir, this is the PERFECT INTERPRETATUA of the HOLY TRINITY!
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by sonmvayina(m): 7:49pm On Jan 09|
You do know Satan is the air you breathe and devil is the moon, right?
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 8:36pm On Jan 09|
Wow! I never knew I was discussing with a JW all these while. You haven't addressed all the errors I pointed out in your so-called older manuscripts inspired translations. All you've been doing is hammering on the age of those manuscripts.
The Trinity was a word recently coined based on the concept seen in the Bible. I'll save that debate for another.
God is an office occupied by three beings: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are one but Not one being. If you can understand this, then you will understand all the verses you put up there as if to ridicule the doctrine of Trinity.
|Re: Satan's Attack On The Bible by JJOF(m): 8:50pm On Jan 09|
All these King James Onlyist (KJO) n their wahala. KJV will forever remain my least favourite bible version. I struggle to understand d language with which it is written. NIV n AMP will forever be my best.
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