Shelumiel:
When a person sees a fool wallowing in his own thoughts , it is best to move on

LordReed:


And when you see a dunce spouting nonsense you try to educate them.

Dummy, atheism doesn't say nothing existed and exploded because atheism doesn't address the origin of the universe. Cosmology on the other hand explains what could have happened to originate our universe. Learn the difference dummy.

pressplay411:
You just said God is beyond the universe meaning He has custody of everything inside and outside the universe. Should Gold not be among the least of the precious stones He has?

Please do yourself a favour and just delete this thread. Don't publicize your ignorance.
Seeking proofs is your problem.
Rather seek the Kingdom. Just believe it's true and seek it.
You know there's more to life that what you sense physically. If only you'll be honest.

Shelumiel:
Your dumb ass denies everything...even this message

LordReed:


LoL your fart filled brain is too lightweight to retain basic concepts. How are your parents coping with an idiot like you?

Heartbender:
Heaven is not a part of the universe. Gold, in this context, is a metaphor. It represents something close to what human knowledge can grasp and imperfect language can transmit. Indeed, anything so precious is often called gold to "communicate" the writer's sense-perception in mortal understanding.

Shelumiel:
Your stupidity was supposed to be our little secret ; so why are you exposing it ?

LordReed:


So what stops us from also assuming the heaven and the god are metaphors as well?

XxSabrinaxX come see your metaphor loving friend. LMFAO!

Shelumiel:
Your stupidity was supposed to be our little secret ; so why are you exposing it ?

LordReed:
One "get out of jail free" card Christians like to play when asked for evidence of their god is, the god exists beyond this universe. Yet their bible says heaven the home of the god has streets of gold and mansions and trees and fruits. So this beyond the universe has gold and houses? Really? Yet you are balking at showing evidence for your god?

Reason guys, reason!

pressplay411:
You just said God is beyond the universe meaning He has custody of everything inside and outside the universe. Should Gold not be among the least of the precious stones He has?.

LordReed:


So what stops us from also assuming the heaven and the god are metaphors as well?

XxSabrinaxX come see your metaphor loving friend. LMFAO!

Heartbender:
If someone says "I am going through a storm in my house" does it mean there is a literal storm in his/her house? If we agree the storm is a metaphor, will you also say the speaker and the house is a metaphor?

Heartbender:
If someone says "I am going through a storm in my house" does it mean there is a literal storm in his/her house? If we agree the storm is a metaphor, will you also say the speaker and the house is a metaphor?

CAPSLOCKED:


FINALLY IT'S TIME FOR FOLKS TO YIELD THAT THEIR BIBLE AND STORIES TOLD OF THEIR RELIGION IS NOTHING BUT THE WORKS OF THE PRIMITIVE MEN'S IMAGINATION.
IF THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN IN OUR TIME IT'LL CONTAIN STUFF LIKE TABLETS AND ROBOTS INSTEAD OF MUSTARD SEED AND SCROLLS.

LordReed:


I don't say that because I know what a human being and a house are so when that human being uses a metaphor I can distinguish between reality and metaphor. Your god being on the other hand has been domiciled in a realm of incomprehensibility so I cannot distinguish between what is supposed to be real and what is supposed to be a metaphor. Which is why I ask you how do we distinguish between your god and the gold being metaphors?

XxSabrinaxX:

How do you determine if a statement is a metaphor or not, then?

Shelumiel:
When a person sees a fool wallowing in his own thoughts , it is best to move on

Heartbender:
Like you said, he is within the realm of incomprehensibility. That is why we worship Him by faith. In Hebrews 11:1 - Now, faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen". If my God, Jehovah, is comprehensible then He is no more than a mere being. He is God all by Himself. An infinite-God being comprehended by mortal-beings should NOT be served, don't you think?

XxSabrinaxX:

I noticed you stopped replying me with your dead ignorant captions in the other thread and now you want to start a fight with another user.

It seems you're just spoiling for someone to roast your life with words this early morning.

LordReed:


You still haven't answered the question? How do you know the gold is a metaphor but heaven and the god are not?

Heartbender:
I answered your sister-friend. It is in the context you know from the gold. As for God, I have had encounters with Him. No pressure about that

Heartbender:
I answered your sister-friend. It is in the context you know from the gold. As for God, I have had encounters with Him. No pressure about that

Heartbender:
Then you have not been reading what I have been writing. Last stroke and i'll leave you since we are typing and not physically shring ideas. He is God. As you said, from the realm of the incomprehensible. You will recall that even though non-christian authors and historians have made mention of Jesus Christ, Herod, etc...there are no photos of them. Now, I assume that a writer in the 14th century may not even know how to ask for photos because it is alien to him, likewise the issue of taking photos of the words you say while saying or the "air" in telecommunications. God is not a man and because He is not a man it would be out of place to expect Him to be subject to laws of men. But if you need His photos, give your life to Jesus Christ, for Christ is the express image of the Father. Shalom(quote author=hahn post=74588884]

Share pictures of the encounters please

Ihedinobi3:
1. God is by nature separate from the Universe. He does maintain manifestations of Himself in it so that His Creatures can fellowship with Him but He is not part of this Universe at all. The Father seated in the Chariot Throne in Heaven, the Lord Jesus seated there with Him as well and the Holy Spirit represented as the seven Lamps before the Throne are all Manifestations. Well, except for the Lord Jesus because of His created Humanity.

2. Heaven is where God maintains fellowship with His faithful creatures during the war called human history that was brought about by Satan's rebellion. It is separate from this Universe but it is still a created place. As a created place, it is only the abode of God in the sense that God offers a manifestation of Himself there for the purposes of fellowship with His Children. Otherwise, God actually exists outside His Creation, separate from it since He is Spirit and Creation is not.

3. You have all the evidence you need for God's Existence. Faith is a free will choice. You have every right to refuse to believe that God exists. In time, you will know for sure.

LordReed:


Really? You have seen the god or you assumed that something that happened was from it?

Also have you encountered heaven to know that the context couldn't support it? Or is the encounters you had with the god sufficient to let you know that it doesn't live on gold paved streets? What else is metaphor in the description the mansions? The trees? The fruits? The river? The pearly gates? The everlasting sunlight?

LordReed:


But it conveniently doesn't manifest in our world now so that you and other "priests" or "divinely inspired/gifted" apologists can interpret it for us?

LordReed:
Which of its so called children are in the heaven fellowshipping, the dead ones?

LordReed:
So dead people still enjoy gold and mansions? Why does the god need to manifest mansions and gold?

LordReed:
Why is it manifesting gold and mansions but refusing to manifest what would have been the most important thing in this universe, evidence of its existence?

LordReed:
There is no unequivocal evidence that any god or gods exist neither is there evidence of an after life, once you die that's it.