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|Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 8:33am On Jan 27|
Breasts, Pen!s, Nipples, Hips, Ovaries, Sperm, Scrotum, Uterus, Vagina, Testicles, Ova, Vulva, Hymen, Clitoris, buttocks and em, em...
Are you still there?
If yes, how do you feel hearing or rather seeing these words?
If uncomfortable, awkward, uneasy and jittery etc., as if you entered the wrong place and about to take off, then there is only one word responsible for that feeling, and it is called lust.
Because all those things I mentioned there are normal things for there's absolutely nothing wrong with them, but it's only lust that makes them to seem otherwise and as though they were evil and of the devil, and meant to cause harm and damage.
For before the coming of lust into the equation of God's creation, it was said:
Genesis 1:31 (KJV)
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Now of course, I had to embolden the word everything for emphasis, for everything that God had made in the beginning inclusive of all those sexual and reproductive organs etc., i mentioned above was not just good in the sight of God but very good.
And that was not only so in God's sight but also the view of man and woman when God first created them, for all those parts were very good in their sight and that's why it was said of them:
Genesis 2:25 (KJV)
And they were both Unclad, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
So the reason they were not ashamed of those body parts, even though they were Unclad was because they didn't see it as evil or a bad thing but as a good thing.
Therefore it was a good thing until lust happened as it was said:
Genesis 3:7 (KJV)
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were Unclad; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
So that was the moment they began to see those said parts of their body as a bad and evil thing, and hence something to be ashamed of. And it was lust that was responsible for that change in their view about those said body parts, that the once good thing in their sight now appeared to them to be evil.
Of course lust was a consequence of their disobedience of the commandment of God, and it was so bad to the extent that even when God their Creator sought for them, it was said:
Genesis 3:8-10 (KJV)
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, "Where art thou?"
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was Unclad; and I hid myself.
So lust had made them to not only be ashamed of such body parts before themselves, for now extented the resulting shame to God their Creator, even the one who made those said parts of their body, that they were now hiding themselves from Him.
So it shouldn't be surprising the extent of the disappointment of their Creator to such a development that led Him to asked them this very question:
"...Who told thee that thou wast Unclad?..." Genesis 3:11 (KJV)
The simple answer to that question is, it was lust.
To be continued.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 5:34pm On Jan 30|
So because lust had now been factored into the equation, did it now mean that those body parts have now become evil, from the good that they were when God first made them?
Certainly not! And not by any stretch whatsoever, for those parts were still exactly as they were in the sight of God, after He had finished making them, when it was said to be very good.
However since it had now become a factor in man's judgment, despite that those parts of a human body still remained very good as it was when God first made them, in order to limit the consequent damage that lust becoming a factor in the equation of humanity could bring, God had to cover their unclothedness. Hence it was said:
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
So that signified the first time that clothes ever came into the equation of mankind, and it was God the Creator that made the first clothes for the man and woman and clothed the both of them.
So despite that wearing of clothes wasn't God's original plan for man and woman when He first made them, and was also not the solution to the problem of lust, He had to device a means(a sort of plan b) that would limit the possible damage that lust could cause, and it was the clothes.
To be continued.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 9:04am On Feb 12|
Therefore the clothes was the next thing that God had made on earth after observing His rest from His work of creation on the seventh day.
However unlike in the instance where after God had seen everything that He had made in the beginning, inclusive of such body parts, when it was said that it was very good in His sight, nothing was said about what God had thought of the clothes that He had made to cover such body parts as a result of lust becoming a factor in man's judgment of them.
But it's pretty obvious that they wouldn't have very good in His sight as much as those body parts that they covered, despite that He was the one that also made them, because when He first made those body parts, He never intended to also make clothes to hide and cover them up just because of something called lust.
For He intended for those body parts to uncovered and unhidden, such as the woman's breasts which He had made for the breastfeeding of her new born child.
For the woman breastfeeding her new born child was supposed to be a normal and very good thing which she wasn't supposed to be ashamed of.
But now with lust becoming a factor in their judgment, in spite of how essential breastfeeding is with respect to a newborn child, a woman cannot comfortably breastfeed her newborn child anywhere, any time, any how, whenever the need arises for the new born to be breastfed.
But has to hide or cover her breast from the view of the public eye, in order for it to be able to serve it's own purpose for which it was made by God, because of the single factor of lust.
That's just one instance of such to give an idea of the extent to which lust altered the original intention of God, for mankind. Therefore clothes was definitely not on God's original menu for mankind nor His solution to the problem created by lust for man, but just a damage limitational measure.
That's why there are yet sexual sins and immorality even in instances where people are fully clothed, because as long as there is lust, wearing of clothes would not completely solve the problem of sexual sins, even though it might reduce the extent of it.
Therefore the solution to the problem of sexual Immorality has never been the wearing of clothes to cover one's unclothedness, but the ridding of its root cause, even lust which is responsible for the erroneous judgment of such body parts, as evil. For only then would the problem be completely solved.
Hence it wasn't surprising that while many humans had settled for clothes as the solution to the problems of sexual sins and immorality brought upon humanity by lust, as though it was the way God intended for it to be from the onset, when God came to the Earth in the form of man, in the person of Jesus, He said:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28 (KJV)
So there was God using the opportunity He had craved from the beginning to address the issue of sexual sins and immorality once and for all. For it was not about if a person was with or without clothing, and those particular body parts being covered or not being covered, but about lust, for that was the root cause of all sexually related sins.
Therefore it was that root cause that needed to be destroyed, for once that happens, sexual immorality and all sex related sins and violence etc. that only existed because of that root becomes history.
And this knowledge was very important as it was one of the things that made Jesus to be an all rounder when it came to the temptations of Satan.
And why Satan was not able to find any thing in Him, regardless of however he came to him, or whichever tactics he used, for even if he brought Unclad women to Jesus view, it was impossible to get Jesus to fall into temptation.
Why? Because Jesus didn't depend on women wearing clothes for Him not to fall into temptation, for lust was not at all a factor in His judgment of those body parts, so that even if they were Unclad and had all such usually covered body parts hanging out, just as it was in the beginning when it was said that God saw all that He had made, in the sight of Jesus it would be "behold, it was very good".
Therefore that was what made Jesus to be invincible in that aspect of His human life, and hence it was the same mindset and orientation that He tried to build His disciples with, before He gave them this instruction:
"...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15 (KJV)
For the world that He was sending them out to was not a group of people packed into a building whose actions they could regulate to suit their own standard and desire, but to a people outside the building whose ways was beyond and outside their control.
Therefore they needed to be prepared for anything, any situation, and whatever came with the world unto whom they had been sent.
So that regardless of how the enemy chooses to come to tempt them, even if it was through people who are not covering those body parts with clothes, and are Unclad, either deliberately or otherwise, he would not find anything in them, because they are as their Creator and their Master in that respect, and hence in their sight, it would be "behold, it was very good".
So that's the real solution to all sexual immorality, sexual related sins and violence, and not the wearing of clothes which was just a damage limitational measure, for once lust which is the original source of those problems is gotten rid of, all of such issues which only survives and lives by it, would have no choice but to also follow suit.
Therefore for all those of the church who have become so adapted to the wearing of clothes as if that was God's original plan for humanity, and hence want to hinge the blame of any sexual immorality or related sins they commit or fall into on nudity and not lust, it's important that they came to the knowledge of this Truth of Christ the founder of the church, which didn't put the blame of sexual immorality and sins on nudity, but on lust.
For without lust, nudity is nothing.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 5:15pm On Feb 12|
Nudity is nothing, without lust.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 8:04am On Feb 13|
Gen 1:31 (KJV)
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good..."
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:49pm On Feb 13|
Did Adam sin when he lusted after Eve?
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 9:02am On Feb 14|
OLAADEGBU:Lust was a product of the sinful nature that man's disobedience of the Word of God had brought upon him.
Therefore to that extent, it was a sin, for it was not perfect as God had originally intended for Adam to look upon his wife Eve, when He first made him.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by UceeGod(m): 11:24am On Feb 14|
Of course sex itself is a pleasurable thing meant to be exercised in the right context. But the devil in his usual way has corrupted people's minds into believing that God(the originator of sex) hates sex and pleasures. But the God who created us with sexual organs and feelings does takes the glory when we exercise it the right and only permitted way - between a lawfully wedded man and woman.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 11:16am On Feb 15|
Clothes is not the solution.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:45pm On Feb 15|
How did 'God originally intend for Adam to look upon his wife'?
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 1:01am On Feb 16|
OLAADEGBU:God's concept of creating man was for man to be like Him on the outward appearance(the seen), and also in the inward appearance(the unseen) which is the heart.
And so man was originally created to look on the woman as God looked upon her, even without lust in His heart.
Therefore God's original plan for man in that respect was already in full swing, as there was absolutely no atom of lust in man's heart when he looked upon the woman even though she was Unclad.
But then came sin, and consequently lust, and the rest as they say is history.
I think if there's a word to represent how man was intended to look on the woman, it was love.
Many think that sex cannot be possible without lust, but they are very wrong, because lust was not supposed to be a factor in man's marriage and procreation when God first made him and told him to multiply, increase and be fruitful.
The difference would have been very clear had Adam and Eve multiplied without the factor of lust, for despite that there would be many of their kind upon the Earth going about Unclad, no one would be attracted to someone else's husband or wife, so the issue of sexual immorality would never have arisen.
So it would have been an entirely different scenario to now when a man is usually worried whenever his wife is not with him, or vice versa, for there would never have been such worries, as a man would be only drawn to his wife, while his wife would only be drawn to him.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:59am On Feb 16|
Would you then say that every married man who lusts after his wife has sinned and should therefore repent?
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by MeetDx(m): 9:26am On Feb 16|
Gospel of the serpent seed. This clearly shows that the first sin was fornication; which obviously happened between the serpent and Eve before she went home and taught her husband (Adam). This also is a clear indication that the serpent was humanoid before he was cursed to crawl on his belly (Genesis 3:14). Carry on brah! Knowing the truth will make us free, isn't it?
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by MeetDx(m): 9:41am On Feb 16|
Eve and the serpent committed fornication first, before she introduces her husband into it; that's how bad sleeping with an adulterous woman is! Adam knew she had loss her innocence to the serpent but still went on polluting himself with her, thereby participating her sin!
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:04am On Feb 16|
I knew this was the kind of heretical teaching the OP will fall into if he continues to believe and teach this erroneous teaching.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 11:51am On Feb 16|
Your extent of spiritual depth has made you to adjudge me based on only what a single person in faceless forum comments on my thread?
So going by that you are also judging yourself based on all the contrary comments that have been made on all your threads.
Thought you were willing to learn the truth about what God originally intended for man when he first created him.
But now I know your spiritual blindness knows no bounds as many of your fellow christians here.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 9:26am On Feb 17|
It was supposed to be a lust free world.
|Re: Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by jesusjnr(m): 7:45am|
Don't blame nudity, blame your lust.
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