Dr S. O. Ohize, Minna

The year 1999 didn’t just mark the beginning of Nigeria’s democracy (another attempt), it is also the year of Nigeria’s first private university. Entities other than the government would for the first time participate in providing university education to its citizen. Twenty years on and a private university (Covenant University) now sits as Nigeria’s number one institution (Times Higher Education).But let’s quickly get back to the title of this article “Two good men”- Lebron James and John Harvard.


Although they lived in different times and led different lives, these two men burned with the same passion, to educate generations after them. A quick summary of their educational creations:

Lebron James’ ‘I PROMISE’ School: Free tuition-free uniforms, free transportation within two miles,free breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Guaranteed college tuition for every student who graduates food pantry for families GED’s and job placement services for parents, free bicycle and helmet.

John Harvard and Friend’s HARVARD UNIVERSITY
“After God had carried us safe to New England. One of the next things we longed for and looked after was to advance learning andperpetuate it to posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate ministry to the churches, when our present ministers shall lie in the dust.”Yes, two good men.


So you may ask, what’s the link? Well, let me save you more tales, the purpose of this article is tovent my frustration at the dominant perception by people of colour that ‘free’ is the only real charity/non-profit. The story of these two men (Harvard and Lebron) is as old as time and as new as now. It is the story of the developed world vs. the underdeveloped; the capitalist vs. the socialist.


Nigerians seem to love Lebron James’ ‘free’, while despising the private universities’ model of charging for value which happens to be John Harvard’s model.


Nigerian Private Universities have faced heavy criticism over the cost of education particularly those built from religious donations. Even if accumulated evidence and the Nigerian experience overwhelmingly suggests that “only economically sustainable models are sustainable.” Charity does not always mean free.

John Harvard and friends are still widely considered great men despite the fee of Harvard University. It is high time we also appreciated the free giving of our religious houses and private investors towards the creation of financially sustainable universities that do not depend on government funding. While there is the legitimate argument that cost excludes some from these institutions (at what cost will everyone be at these institutions), however, we must ask if attending is the primary goal. What about the other contributions, research, jobs created (Lecturers and admin staff) and businesses; drugs and healthcare advances and ultimately the robust economy that the graduates from this institution contribute to.

Yes, we have given from our little to build several religious affiliated universities and private investors have put down their resources. The giving is for posterity or as the founders of Harvard University put it “dreading to leave [an] illiterate [country] when our present ministers shall lie in the dust”.The lack of recognition of two successful decades (1999 to 2019) of private universities in Nigeria, is an indication of a lack of appreciation of the ‘John Harvard wisdom’ in our society. I can only hope that someday a generation of Nigerians will celebrate this success story.


However, this does not in any way seek to undermine the good work of Mr Lebron James or disparage the goodnessof free things such as scholarships (e.g. Harvard scholarships, Orphanages). It is just a wake-up call to go ‘sustainable’ with this all important sector of our society.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/02/02/two-good-men-and-the-nigerian-university/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2451540825

Codetemplar Asuustrike1 thevictorious lalasticlala

So so true.
I was going through some Harvard materials some days back and realized their endowment fund is so key to their funding model. They breakdown the endowment fund into so many areas that it will be hard for any willing giver not to find one that appeals to or suites his/her philosophy as a person.
There is a section for research, scholarships, academic activities, industry, structures, we of age and so much more. Over 50 different giving section and you find people willing their estates to Harvard both when alive and in preparation for when they finally "lie in the dust".

There is a lot of lessons we can learn from them and I applaud Oyedepo for being one of the first ( if not the first ) to follow this great and time-tested model.

HigherEd:

Dr S. O. Ohize, Minna

The year 1999 didn’t just mark the beginning of Nigeria’s democracy (another attempt), it is also the year of Nigeria’s first private university. Entities other than the government would for the first time participate in providing university education to its citizen. Twenty years on and a private university (Covenant University) now sits as Nigeria’s number one institution (Times Higher Education).But let’s quickly get back to the title of this article “Two good men”- Lebron James and John Harvard.


Although they lived in different times and led different lives, these two men burned with the same passion, to educate generations after them. A quick summary of their educational creations:

Lebron James’ ‘I PROMISE’ School: Free tuition-free uniforms, free transportation within two miles,free breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Guaranteed college tuition for every student who graduates food pantry for families GED’s and job placement services for parents, free bicycle and helmet.

John Harvard and Friend’s HARVARD UNIVERSITY
“After God had carried us safe to New England. One of the next things we longed for and looked after was to advance learning andperpetuate it to posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate ministry to the churches, when our present ministers shall lie in the dust.”Yes, two good men.


So you may ask, what’s the link? Well, let me save you more tales, the purpose of this article is tovent my frustration at the dominant perception by people of colour that ‘free’ is the only real charity/non-profit. The story of these two men (Harvard and Lebron) is as old as time and as new as now. It is the story of the developed world vs. the underdeveloped; the capitalist vs. the socialist.


Nigerians seem to love Lebron James’ ‘free’, while despising the private universities’ model of charging for value which happens to be John Harvard’s model.


Nigerian Private Universities have faced heavy criticism over the cost of education particularly those built from religious donations. Even if accumulated evidence and the Nigerian experience overwhelmingly suggests that “only economically sustainable models are sustainable.” Charity does not always mean free.

John Harvard and friends are still widely considered great men despite the fee of Harvard University. It is high time we also appreciated the free giving of our religious houses and private investors towards the creation of financially sustainable universities that do not depend on government funding. While there is the legitimate argument that cost excludes some from these institutions (at what cost will everyone be at these institutions), however, we must ask if attending is the primary goal. What about the other contributions, research, jobs created (Lecturers and admin staff) and businesses; drugs and healthcare advances and ultimately the robust economy that the graduates from this institution contribute to.

Yes, we have given from our little to build several religious affiliated universities and private investors have put down their resources. The giving is for posterity or as the founders of Harvard University put it “dreading to leave [an] illiterate [country] when our present ministers shall lie in the dust”.The lack of recognition of two successful decades (1999 to 2019) of private universities in Nigeria, is an indication of a lack of appreciation of the ‘John Harvard wisdom’ in our society. I can only hope that someday a generation of Nigerians will celebrate this success story.


However, this does not in any way seek to undermine the good work of Mr Lebron James or disparage the goodnessof free things such as scholarships (e.g. Harvard scholarships, Orphanages). It is just a wake-up call to go ‘sustainable’ with this all important sector of our society.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/02/02/two-good-men-and-the-nigerian-university/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2451540825

Codetemplar Asuustrike1 thevictorious

Wowww! Your write up is good I must say. I hope this write up change our perception about religious and private universities in Nigeria. If Bishop Oyedepo had followed or pleased the crowd covenant university wouldn't have been were it is today. By the way have they started selling postgraduate form?

HigherEd:

Dr S. O. Ohize, Minna

The year 1999 didn’t just mark the beginning of Nigeria’s democracy (another attempt), it is also the year of Nigeria’s first private university. Entities other than the government would for the first time participate in providing university education to its citizen. Twenty years on and a private university (Covenant University) now sits as Nigeria’s number one institution (Times Higher Education).But let’s quickly get back to the title of this article “Two good men”- Lebron James and John Harvard.


Although they lived in different times and led different lives, these two men burned with the same passion, to educate generations after them. A quick summary of their educational creations:

Lebron James’ ‘I PROMISE’ School: Free tuition-free uniforms, free transportation within two miles,free breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Guaranteed college tuition for every student who graduates food pantry for families GED’s and job placement services for parents, free bicycle and helmet.

John Harvard and Friend’s HARVARD UNIVERSITY
“After God had carried us safe to New England. One of the next things we longed for and looked after was to advance learning andperpetuate it to posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate ministry to the churches, when our present ministers shall lie in the dust.”Yes, two good men.


So you may ask, what’s the link? Well, let me save you more tales, the purpose of this article is tovent my frustration at the dominant perception by people of colour that ‘free’ is the only real charity/non-profit. The story of these two men (Harvard and Lebron) is as old as time and as new as now. It is the story of the developed world vs. the underdeveloped; the capitalist vs. the socialist.


Nigerians seem to love Lebron James’ ‘free’, while despising the private universities’ model of charging for value which happens to be John Harvard’s model.


Nigerian Private Universities have faced heavy criticism over the cost of education particularly those built from religious donations. Even if accumulated evidence and the Nigerian experience overwhelmingly suggests that “only economically sustainable models are sustainable.” Charity does not always mean free.

John Harvard and friends are still widely considered great men despite the fee of Harvard University. It is high time we also appreciated the free giving of our religious houses and private investors towards the creation of financially sustainable universities that do not depend on government funding. While there is the legitimate argument that cost excludes some from these institutions (at what cost will everyone be at these institutions), however, we must ask if attending is the primary goal. What about the other contributions, research, jobs created (Lecturers and admin staff) and businesses; drugs and healthcare advances and ultimately the robust economy that the graduates from this institution contribute to.

Yes, we have given from our little to build several religious affiliated universities and private investors have put down their resources. The giving is for posterity or as the founders of Harvard University put it “dreading to leave [an] illiterate [country] when our present ministers shall lie in the dust”.The lack of recognition of two successful decades (1999 to 2019) of private universities in Nigeria, is an indication of a lack of appreciation of the ‘John Harvard wisdom’ in our society. I can only hope that someday a generation of Nigerians will celebrate this success story.


However, this does not in any way seek to undermine the good work of Mr Lebron James or disparage the goodnessof free things such as scholarships (e.g. Harvard scholarships, Orphanages). It is just a wake-up call to go ‘sustainable’ with this all important sector of our society.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/02/02/two-good-men-and-the-nigerian-university/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2451540825

Codetemplar Asuustrike1 thevictorious

Did the two brothers build the school with the contribution of church members?

princfred:
Did the two brothers build the school with the contribution of church members?

What is the difference between church contribution and open contribution?
You guys will always look for petty issues to raise. I hope the secret society men that have destroyed Nigeria and virtually taken over public schools have made them free?

CodeTemplar:
What is the difference between church contribution and open contribution?
You guys will always look for petty issues to raise. I hope the secret society men that have destroyed Nigeria and virtually taken over public schools have made them free?

The difference is clear to those who are not biased. I asked a simple question which you want to run around on - Did they use church contributons for personal universities then make the tuition fee unaffordable for most of them? Since the two brothers have become the christian blue print no longer christ and the apostles or missionaries just after them. Go and check what those did with church contributions and receive sense.

asuustrike1:

Wowww! Your write up is good I must say. I hope this write up change our perception about religious and private universities in Nigeria. If Bishop Oyedepo had followed or pleased the crowd covenant university wouldn't have been were it is today. By the way have they started selling postgraduate form?

I didn't write it though. But I agree that the writer is really good.
As per PG form, yes they are available. They run pg admissions twice a year so it's almost always on sale.

princfred:
Did the two brothers build the school with the contribution of church members?

Harvard was founded by puritan pastor, John Harvard. Yale was founded by about 10 christian ministers of methodist orientation. And of course 99% of times Christian activities are supported by ministry partners(people). So it is safe to say that Harvard, Yale where founded by people's tithes and offerings. Yet as a methodist you can't simply walk into Yale and demand free education. If (scholarships) are available under the US federal govt pell grant or other individually endowed scholarship you would be given based on merit. But you don't expect the university to take money from her own budget to educate you for free.
If the pastors who founded Yale had decided to allow Yale be free in exchange for church funding, do you sincerely think Yale would be this accomplished today?

The Yale of today with all due respect might have a budget larger than that of the methodist church in USA and that was because everybody chose to sacrifice. Many donated books, money, buildings to Yale in the 1700s without really any form of pay back from the university. They were only satisfied that they were contributing to an organization that was making local impact...

Last year Jim Ovia paid $270,000 to sponsor 10 people in Covenant university. Ask your self would he pay same to sponsor them in Lautech.
First let the university be relevant then scholarships will definitely come from different places...

princfred:
The difference is clear to those who are not biased. I asked a simple question which you want to run around on - Did they use church contributons for personal universities then make the tuition fee unaffordable for most of them? Since the two brothers have become the christian blue print no longer christ and the apostles or missionaries just after them. Go and check what those did with church contributions and receive sense.

I have addressed that question many times before and won't do that directly again. At first I didn't want to reply you to avoid derailing the thread as I can see you are quoting the whole text needlessly.
First, you claimed it was a personal private university which isn't true.
It belongs to the church - a body sustained by belief in God and acceptance of the pastor as Gods sent messenger. So if you are saying it is personal university then you are implicitly saying the pastors in charge aren't God sent. That will be an infringement on the rights of those who accept and believe in the vision of the church.

second, please outline your own strategy for making such a university affordable to all the contributors or show every reading Nairaland any school being run successfully like that. I request this of you because I can't seem to figure out how a church will receive contribution of as low as N100 and turn it into #600k - #800k of fees.

Thirdly, please you outline how the church can maintain the set school standard when they charge lower fees? I asked this because you want all to be able to afford the school and that means charging low enough for all to afford it?

fourth, please how low should this fee be? I asked because public uni charging as low as #10k still experience people dropping out of school due to inability to pay those fee.

I won't bother answering your questions for now because they are based on a false assumption that the private schools are personal properties.

CodeTemplar:
I have addressed that question many times before and won't do that directly again. At first I didn't want to reply you to avoid derailing the thread as I can see you are quoting the whole text needlessly.
First, you claimed it was a personal private university which isn't true.
It belongs to the church - a body sustained by belief in God and acceptance of the pastor as Gods sent messenger. So if you are saying it is personal university then you are implicitly saying the pastors in charge aren't God sent. That will be an infringement on the rights of those who accept and believe in the vision of the church.

second, please outline your own strategy for making such a university affordable to all the contributors or show every reading Nairaland any school being run successfully like that. I request this of you becos I can't seem to figure out how a church will receive contribution of as low as N100 and turn it into #600k - #800k of fees.

Thirdly, please you outline how the church can maintain the set school standard without when they charge lower fees? I asked this because you want all to be able to afford the school and that means charging low enough for all to afford?

fourth, please how low should this fee be? I asked because public uni charging as low as #10k still experience people dropping out of school due to inability to pay those fee.

I won't bother answering your questions for now because they are based on a false assumption that the private schools are personal properties.

So you wont answer my one quwation because you have answered it sometime ago in your little mind but i should answer yours? So what makes you think i have not answered yours last year in my dream? Think like a grown up nwoke m.

I gave you an assignment before that will answer your question go to the bibke abd see how Jesus abd the apostles used church contributions. Abi are you and your kind not interested in being christ-like when it comes to how Christ and apostles used contributions?

princfred:
The difference is clear to those who are not biased. I asked a simple question which you want to run around on - Did they use church contributons for personal universities then make the tuition fee unaffordable for most of them? Since the two brothers have become the christian blue print no longer christ and the apostles or missionaries just after them . Go and check what those did with church contributions and receive sense.

Let me address some other ignorant aspect of your post again.
Did apostles in book of Acts receive any vision from God about establishment of a university, a live transmission system to stations around the world, a 50,000-seat church? So if I go by your fo.olish argument, a person like Oyedepo for example who received vision of the above before satellite TV or internet became affordable should discard the vision since apostles in bible didn't receive such visions. Aren't Havard and the Methodist pastors also apostles sent to the people in their own time?

Don't let the blind hate for some men of God or the love of freebies darken your brain so much sir.

princfred:
So you wont answer my one quwation because you have answered it sometime ago in your little mind but i should answer yours? So what makes you think i have not answered yours last year in my dream? Think like a grown up nwoke m.

I gave you an assignment before that will answer your question go to the bibke abd see how Jesus abd the apostles used church contributions. Abi are you and your kind not interested in being christ-like when it comes to how Christ and apostles used contributions?

Stop feigning imbecility and go through your own post history to see our previous conversations here on Education and Religious section.
Your questions are based on a false assumption while mine are based on information inferred in your post. If you can prove that all private schools are personal properties then I will gladly answer your question.

HigherEd:

Harvard was founded by puritan pastor, John Harvard. Yale was founded by about 10 christian ministers of methodist orientation. And of course 99% of times Christian activities are supported by ministry partners(people). So it is safe to say that Harvard, Yale where founded by people's tithes and offerings. Yet as a methodist you can't simply walk into Yale and demand free education. If (scholarships) are available under the US federal govt pell grant or other individually endowed scholarship you would be given based on merit. But you don't expect the university to take money from her own budget to educate you for free.
If the pastors who founded Yale had decided to allow Yale be free in exchange for church funding, do you sincerely think Yale would be this accomplished today?

The Yale of today with all due respect might have a budget larger than that of the methodist church in USA and that was because everybody chose to sacrifice. Many donated books, money, buildings to Yale in the 1700s without really any form of pay back from the university. They were only satisfied that they were contributing to an organization that was making local impact...

Last year Jim Ovia paid $270,000 to sponsor 10 people in Covenant university. Ask your self would he pay same to sponsor them in Lautech.
First let the university be relevant then scholarships will definitely come from different places...

You wrote as a matter of premise that "Harvard was founded by puritan pastor, John Harvard" . And am telling you that this is wrong because
Harvard was established in 1636 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colon. The legal entity we call Harvard University was officially established in 1650 as "a Corporation, consisting of seven persons, to wit, a President, five Fellows, and a Treasurer or Bursar ... which ... shall be called by the name of President and Fellows of Harvard College." In 1639, it was named Harvard College after deceased clergyman John Harvard, an alumnus of the University of Cambridge, who had left the school £779 and his scholar's library of some 400 volumes. It was never affiliated with any particular denomination,.These ministers affiliated and aknowledged based on their donations of personal belonging and sense of charity to the school and the objective was mainly to train ministers which are quite different from what we have in black Churche ministers today. These sense of charity was akin to replication of the deeds of earlier Christians.

CodeTemplar:
Let me address some other ignorant aspect of your post again.
Did apostles in book of Acts receive any vision from God about establishment of a university, a live transmission system to stations around the world, a 50,000-seat church? So if I go by your fo.olish argument, a person like Oyedepo for example who received vision of the above before satellite TV or internet became affordable should discard the vision since apostles in bible didn't receive such visions. Aren't Havard and the Methodist pastors also apostles sent to the people in their own time?

Don't let the blind hate for some men of God or the love of freebies darken your brain so much sir.

I find it incredibly worrisome when people assume the activities of the early church must validate those of today's Christians. But no, it is the Holy spirit that validates the church not the early church. The early church had its own success, travails, mistakes and all. In the book of revelation Jesus passed different reviews on the early church. Some positive some negative.
In the end your concern is not the early church but if you are doing what God asked you to do per time.

princfred:
Harvard was established in 1636 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. In 1638, it acquired British North America's first known printing press. In 1639, it was named Harvard College after deceased clergyman John Harvard, an alumnus of the University of Cambridge, who had left the school £779 and his scholar's library of some 400 volumes.[32] It was never affiliated with any particular denomination,..typing

You statement is same as saying Covenant university was established in 2002 by the Federal Executive Council under the prescription of the Nigerian Universities Commission and therefore has no affiliation with any church.

Harvard might have changed over the years to a secular university. But the initial purpose of establishment was to train Christian ministers. So you might want to read that Wikipedia page again.

HigherEd:

You statement is same as saying Covenant was established in 2002 by the Federal Executive Council under the prescription of the Nigerian Universities Commission and therefore has no affiliation with any church.

Read the all important bolded part as i have simplified it for you and stop jumping the gun as the typing there means am not through yet so dont misquote yet.

HigherEd:

I find it incredibly worrisome when people assume the activities of the early church must validate those of today's Christians. But no, it is the Holy spirit that validates the church not the early church. The early church had its own success, travails, mistakes and all. In the book of revelation Jesus passed different reviews on the early church. Some positive some negative.
In the end your concern is not the early church but if you are doing what God asked you to do per time.

That guy is filled with blind hate and logical reasoning is like a burden to him.
He wants to use early apostles as standard forgetting that even the early apostles received visions from God. Paul did also. He can't answer logical questions I presented his áss.

princfred:

Read the all important bolded part as i have simplified it for you and stop jumping the gun as the typing there means am not through yet so font misquote yet.

What is the point of the bolded part? Are you trying to say that Harvard couldn't have founded Harvard university because he graduated from Cambridge? lol.

It would interest you to know that Yale was founded by Harvard graduates who felt Harvard university wasn't doing well enough to evangelize or stand for the gospel.

Also, Non denominational doesn't mean non-christian. For example Apostle Paul had no denomination, but you can't say because he had no denomination he wasn't Christian.

So I fail to see your point.

CodeTemplar:
That guy is filled with blind hate and logical reasoning is like a burden to him.
He wants to use early apostles as standard forgetting that even the early apostles received visions from God. Paul did also. He can't answer logical questions I presented his áss.

Be careful you wont enjoy the direction you are taking this conversation to if i join you in that line. I promise. For now i will engage HigherEd to unravel important matters but if you insist be ready to bleat tire today.

HigherEd:

What is the point of the bolded part? Are you trying to say that Harvard couldn't have founded Harvard university because he graduated from Cambridge? lol.

It would interest you to know that Yale was founded by Harvard graduates who felt Harvard university wasn't doing well enough to evangelize or stand for the gospel.

Also, Non denominational doesn't mean non-christian. For example Apostle Paul had no denomination, but you can't say because he had no denomination he wasn't Christian.

So I fail to see your point.

You will keep making demented and misconstrued deductions far from my points to make yourself feel good if you keep misquotung that incomplete post.

princfred:
it was named Harvard College after deceased clergyman John Harvard, an alumnus of the University of Cambridge, who had left the school £779 and his scholar's library of some 400 volumes. It was never affiliated with any particular denomination, ....typing

To clarify for you

"With some 17,000 Puritans migrating to New England by 1636, Harvard was founded in anticipation of the need for training clergy for the new commonwealth, a "church in the wilderness". Harvard was established in 1636 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harvard_University

princfred:
Be careful you wont enjoy the direction you are taking this conversation to if i join you in that line. I promise. For now i will engage HigherEd to unravel important matters but if you insist be ready to bleat tire today.

You are the unreasonable and careless one here. You know answering my questions will expose you and you are running away from it. Take it down any road you want and I will match you lying áss. . . lol.

HigherEd:

To clarify for you

"With some 17,000 Puritans migrating to New England by 1636, Harvard was founded in anticipation of the need for training clergy for the new commonwealth, a "church in the wilderness". Harvard was established in 1636 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harvard_University

What does this nullify in my submission? That harvard was not founded by harvard as you earlier falsely or ignorantly stated but named after Harvard because of Harvard contribution to it after it was founded?

CodeTemplar:
You are the unreasonable and careless one here. You know answering my questions will expose you and you are running away from it. Take it down any road you want and I will match you lying áss. . . lol.

I just stated the lies or ignorance albeit false premise of your friends in the post and you are here bleating like a confused goat. Who give this braindead rat phone? Two matured minds go dey reason marrers some mental ret*rd bereft of logical sense will be bleating about.

princfred:
You will keep making demented and misconstrued deductions far from my points to make yourself feel good if you keep misquotung that incomplete post.

You have no point and you are being emotional needlessly.

CodeTemplar:
You have no point and you are being emotional needlessly.

Now after i have helped you find out how stupid you are and without you being able to prove were i lied like i just showed the subtly crafted lies by your people, you are now trying to project your emotional disrupted condition on me. What a primitive demented mind. Abeg go play outside, grown ups are discusing here.

princfred:
I just stated the lies or ignorance albeit false premise of your friends in the post and you are here bleating like a confused goat. Who give this braindead rat phone? Two matured minds go dey reason matter some mental retard bereft of logical sense will be bleating about.

You feel you have seen lies in my friend post and that equates to seeing lies in mine or I should go and cry for that? Your level of mental capacity is already being displayed so no need putting a value to it again.
And by the way, that my friend is you want enemy right?






Just answer simple logical questions instead of boasting about answering a friend of mine on a faceless forum.

CodeTemplar:
You feel you have seen lies in my friend post and that equates to seeing lies in mine or I should go and cry for that? Your level of mental capacity is already being displayed so no need putting a value to it again.
And by the way, that my friend is you want enemy right?






Just answer simple logical questions instead of boasting about answering a friend of mine on a faceless forum.

So the dung in your brain just keep churning delusuons to you. Where did i state you lied? Now you lie by stating that i feel that you lied. So i was right afterall you just project you demented delusional state on me to portray your inherent foolish primitive inclination.

Goat that likes answers but deflects from questions directed at him. Come and pick your answer from my ass. Imbec*le

princfred:
What does this nullify in my submission? That harvard was not founded by harvard as you earlier falsely or ignorantly stated but named after Harvard because of Harvard contribution to it after it was founded?

Three important points to end this argument.

1) Harvard was founded to train Christian ministers
2) Harvard's Founder or First benefactor was a pastor named John Harvard. NB: A first benefactor is unarguably a founder.

John Harvard conceived the vision for Harvard, was its first benefactor. If this doesn't qualify him as a/the founder then tell me what does. Pls note I never said the pastor owned Harvard university I only said he was a founder. Just the same way oyedepo is a founder of Covenant but not the owner. I hope you understand.
So with those two points no one can/should deny the Christianity in Harvard's establishment.

HigherEd:

Three important points to end this argument.

1) Harvard was founded to train Christian ministers
2) Harvard's Founder or First benefactor was a pastor named John Harvard. NB: A first benefactor is unarguably a founder.

John Harvard conceived the vision for Harvard, was its first benefactor. If this doesn't qualify him as a/the founder then tell me what does. Pls note I never said the pastor owned Harvard university I only said he was a founder. Just the same way oyedepo is a founder of Covenant but not the owner. I hope you understand.
So with those two points no one can/should deny the Christianity in Harvard's establishment.

Was Oyedepos school mainly for training ministers?
What do you mean by first benefactors and how does that mean he us the founder.

Why not feed some fresh dung to your sick dog Codetempler or whatever moniker that thing bears so he can go play with other mental bingos reasonable people can talk without him shiting all over.

princfred:
Now after i have helped you find out how stupid you are and without you being able to prove were i lied like i just showed the subtly crafted lies by your people, you are now trying to project your emotional disrupted condition on me. What a primitive demented mind. Abeg go play outside, grown ups are discusing here.

Answer simple question to prove you aren't stupid. You dodged these same question in another thread and still want to dodge them here.

princfred:


So the dung in your brain just keep churning delusuons to you. Where did i state you lied? Now you lie by stating that i feel that you lied. So i was right afterall you just project you demented delusional state on me to portray your inherent foolish primitive inclination.

Goat that likes answers but deflects from questions directed at him. Come and pick your answer from my ass. Imbec*le

You prefer to talk about "dung in a brain" than answer simple questions. Please answer my questions.

Which school has successfully subsidized its fee to the point all contributors can afford it? simple question.