Zither:


It was splendid. Reply may be late by hours, nevertheless valid. I had already slept off at the time of your post.

It was even sent this morning. We all replied late. Both guilty of the same offence.

amyblessed:


"Without the pencil, there's no drawing".
Says who? Any Artist is capable of drawing a very beautiful picture even on the ground without a pencil. So a pencil does not and cannot make an artist. An artist is an artist anytime even without the pencil. This unarguably counters your number 1-5 in relation to God and man.
And I wonder what made you think that without man, there's no God and God exist because man gave birth to it. God has been God even before He created man. His creating man is not what made Him become God. Man was the last thing He created, whom He put in charge of everything He has created to take care of them.
It's just like saying a child existed before his parents did, and without the child, there's no parents. What a fallacious argument!

Pencil is simply a tool to put out an idea conceptualize in the heart of man. Anything that conceptualize an idea is an higher or a lower form of pencil.

Who told you God exist before man? Man

Who told you man was the last thing God created? Man

Who told you God created man to have dominion over everything he created? Man

Who told you God created man to take care of everything he created? Man

Again, man created God to give reasons to our existence.

Zither:
Luvmijeje, I am not opposed or closed-minded to opposing views but your argument is just wrong on so many levels to which Amyblessed has taken the effort to address in words I would have used.

Man exists for God, not the other way round. The artist does not limit his power of creativity to just one tool. He always has various kinds of tools at his disposal to bring his imagination to life. This is why He is still an Artist even when there was no pencil.

Please see my response to amyblessed.