Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

Lucifer most powerful? First, Satan is not Lucifer. Secondly, Satan is not an archangel.

Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

No Archangel Lucifer has never been God's most powerful creation, but he was only said to be the most beautiful.

If by any chance he was the before hand, then the Spirit of God which is the source of any extent of power which Lucifer had would have given Michael more powers to make him stronger than Lucifer.

And it is the same Spirit of God that can empower mortal man to be stronger than the Satan, who used to be known as Lucifer but yet retained all his powers.

I believe though that archangel Michael is the most powerful creation of God, and hence whenever he confronts Satan or Lucifer there's always going to be one winner.

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Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

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Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

Satan is never the strongest but one of the strongest according to the book of Ezekiel 28 vs13-17, there he was called guardian cherub, so is in the rank of cherub while seraphim are more powerful than cherub. another name for seraphim are called the flaming ones.

jesusjnr:
No Archangel Lucifer has never been God's most powerful creation, but he was only said to be the most beautiful.

If by any chance he was the before hand, then the Spirit of God which is the source of any extent of power which Lucifer had would have given Michael more powers to make him stronger than Lucifer.

And it is the same Spirit of God that can empower mortal man to be stronger than the Satan, who used to be known as Lucifer but yet retained all his powers.

I believe though that archangel Michael is the most powerful creation of God, and hence whenever he confronts Satan or Lucifer there's always going to be one winner.

arch angel Michael is not most powerful angel but is just a war machinery for God. is just a messenger that carry out the duty of God is just like buratai of Nigeria defence compare vice president or senate president. we have 9 celestial ladders which Michael falls in the second rank. compare to the dominion, principality,thrones,virtue,cherub,seraphim and The invincibility Himself.

becoming interesting.

jcross19:
arch angel Michael is not most powerful angel but is just a war machinery for God. is just a messenger that carry out the duty of God is just like buratai of Nigeria defence compare vice president or senate president. we have 9 celestial ladders which Michael falls in the second rank. compare to the dominion, principality,thrones,virtue,cherub,seraphim and The invincibility Himself.

Well If he isn't then which angel is?

You know where you arrived at this your position, but from the biblical perspective, the most powerful angel is arch angel Michael!

Angels, by whatever description are Good Messengers of God. Lucifer is a Satanic Spirit and a Demon, Messenger of Satan.

jesusjnr:
Well If he isn't then which angel is?

You know where you arrived at this your position, but from the biblical perspective, the most powerful angel is arch angel Michael!

even in the Bible there is no where Bible referred to him the most powerful.

See lies.

Why do you call Lucifer jealous when God himself reminded everyone that he is the jealous God?

Lucifer didn't lose any battles. Those are lies told by the godly. It is their way.

In the scriptures, Lucifer did everything he wanted. He even tricked foolish God into punishing his own follower.

orisa37:
Angels, by whatever description are Good Messengers of God.
Lucifer is a Satanic Spirit and a Demon, Messenger of Satan.

no!!!!Lucifer simply mean cunning in nature I mean something is full of wisdom. in the rank of heaven there are some they call them luciferians, ahiriama and so much like that. in bible we have something like devil, Satan, lucifer and queen of heaven. so in those entity they are just two appearing like four.

jcross19:
even in the Bible there is no where Bible referred to him the most powerful.

It may not have said it directly but indirectly on several occasions where he was shown to be the most powerful angel and the only angel that's more powerful than Satan and able to overcome him, as in the book of Daniel when angel Gabriel was struggling to cope with the prince of Persia and he went to help Gabriel to overpower him.

And then in the book of revelations when there was said to be war in heaven, and it was angel Michael that was able to overcome Satan and throw him down from heaven to the earth.

And when I talk of most powerful, I mean in the sense of the strongest, the most potent angel, and the one with the most ability, and not just in the positional sense.

So even though the Bible did not specifically state this, it implied it, but as for your own position, there is no where it was even implied in the bible, or if it was, then you should reveal it.

Angels are ranked based on their closeness to God. The strongest are seraphim cherubim then thrones. Michael is an Arch angel a lower rank in angelic tier but he has a special function from God which distinguished him from other angels his name means one who is like God / who is like God. Just like angel of his presence

jesusjnr:
It may not have said it directly but indirectly on several occasions where he was shown to be the most powerful angel and the only angel that's more powerful than Satan and able to overcome him, as in the book of Daniel when angel Gabriel was struggling to cope with the prince of Persia and he went to help Gabriel to overpower him.

And then in the book of revelations when there was said to be war in heaven, and it was angel Michael that was able to overcome Satan and throw him down from heaven to the earth.

And when I talk of most powerful, I mean in the sense of the strongest, the most potent angel, and the one with the most ability, and not just in the positional sense.

So even though the Bible did not specifically state this, it implied it, but as for your own position, there is no where it was even implied in the bible, or if it was, then you should reveal it.

even in the book of Daniel talks about prince of Persia is not even satan but dark angel of Persia which is son of Persia gods. not even the main Satan. in the book of revelation say Satan was defeated by the blood of the lamb and testimony against him.

jcross19:
even in the book of Daniel talks about prince of Persia is not even satan but dark angel of Persia which is son of Persia gods. not even the main Satan. in the book of revelation say Satan was defeated by the blood of the lamb and testimony against him.

Whoever it was but the capacity of the prince of Persia was too much for Gabriel to handle that he needed the help of Michael to bail him out.

The book of revelations says this:

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So these are the Biblical evidence to back my claims that angel Michael is the most powerful angel, and the only angel that's stronger than Satan, so provide yours.

So provide yours.

jesusjnr:
Whoever it was but the capacity of the prince of Persia was too much for Gabriel to handle that he needed the help of Michael to bail him out.

The book of revelations says this:

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So these are the Biblical evidence to back my claims that angel Michael is the most powerful angel, and the only angel that's stronger than Satan, so provide yours.

So provide yours.

Because he has no place on heaven .check the book of Ezekiel 28 vs 13 to 17 you will understand more of Mr devil

jesusjnr:
Whoever it was but the capacity of the prince of Persia was too much for Gabriel to handle that he needed the help of Michael to bail him out.

The book of revelations says this:

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So these are the Biblical evidence to back my claims that angel Michael is the most powerful angel, and the only angel that's stronger than Satan, so provide yours.

So provide yours.

book Ezekiel 28vs13-17 will tell you more of devil and why angel Michael confronted him is because God want to ridicule him . like I have said in heavenly kingdom they obey the last order until God ask them to take action so we have more stronger and powerful angels than Michael. go and check the things about flaming ones . bros do you know that heavenly being knows how God look like only Christ does and the flaming ones. even Michael can't dare it.

jcross19:
book Ezekiel 28vs13-17 will tell you more of devil and why angel Michael confronted him is because God want to ridicule him . like I have said in heavenly kingdom they obey the last order until God ask them to take action so we have more stronger and powerful angels than Michael. go and check the things about flaming ones . bros do you know that heavenly being knows how God look like only Christ does and the flaming ones. even Michael can't dare it.

I rest my case!

The most powerful angel God ever created was Lucifer. He was so powerful that Michael couldn't rebuke him. Rather he said may the Lord rebuke you. Lucifer was defeated with the blood its only the blood that can defeat him

Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael?

Lucifer would be weaker than Archangel Michael because Archangel Michael and/or whoever is called upon will be empowered proportional to the task on hand, which is confronting Satan aka Lucifer.

Orangina:
Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

No it doesnt, it means, God putting forward one able to cope with another

Orangina:
It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation.

He was not God's most perfect and powerful creation but was the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

Orangina:
His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

can accept and live with this comment

Orangina:
Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels

Is not more powerful than any of the archangels, but has certain privileges, that for now, enjoys and revels in

Orangina:
IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.

This is incorrect, as it is only one angel, that seized and threw him into the bottomless pit

Orangina:
The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Well it wouldnt matter to you or anyone, if you are a badarse

Orangina:
Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

On the contrary, he doesnt think he can win, he knows he is a loser

Orangina:
It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Jacob won the mental wrestling match of the minds. You see God doesnt mind you winning, it just has to be a fair, good and clean win

Orangina:
Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

Dont you always put your best foot forward? Dont you always leave your affair(s) in good and/or capable hands?

Orangina:
And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

That'll be the day.

Orangina:
Probably why Satan created lawyers.

Satan doesnt not create anything, Satan is an adversary

Orangina:
What?

Yeah.

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JMAN05:
Lucifer most powerful? First, Satan is not Lucifer

We know that Satan is not Lucifer really. We know how and /or what you mean by that

JMAN05:
Secondly, Satan is not an archangel.

"Then the king will say to those on his left,
"Get away from me! You are under God's curse. Go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels!"
- Matthew 25:41

I beg to differ, if Satan has angels and/or messengers, then by de facto, Satan for that reason, is an archangel

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jcross19:
Satan is never the strongest but one of the strongest according to the book of Ezekiel 28 vs13-17, there he was called guardian cherub, so is in the rank of cherub while seraphim are more powerful than cherub. another name for seraphim are called the flaming ones.

I totally concur with this comment without any demur

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jcross19:
arch angel Michael is not most powerful angel but is just a war machinery for God. is just a messenger that carry out the duty of God is just like buratai of Nigeria defence compare vice president or senate president. we have 9 celestial ladders which Michael falls in the second rank. compare to the dominion, principality,thrones,virtue,cherub,seraphim and The invincibility Himself.

I just dey well well gbadun this dear brother and his comments. His head deh there.

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Orangina:
becoming interesting.

I tell you.
If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

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jcross19:
even in the Bible there is no where Bible referred to him the most powerful.

Thank you very much for this illuminating comment, you no dey carry last jaare.

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jcross19:
no!!!!Lucifer simply mean cunning in nature I mean something is full of wisdom. in the rank of heaven there are some they call them luciferians, ahiriama and so much like that. in bible we have something like devil, Satan, lucifer and queen of heaven. so in those entity they are just two appearing like four.

Nope, it means bearer of light. It is devil that means cunning, as in like, the serpent that was cunning etcetera

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jcross19:
book Ezekiel 28vs13-17 will tell you more of devil and why angel Michael confronted him is because God want to ridicule him. like I have said in heavenly kingdom they obey the last order until God ask them to take action so we have more stronger and powerful angels than Michael. Go and check the things about flaming ones . bros do you know that heavenly being knows how God look like only Christ does and the flaming ones. even Michael can't dare it.

At the emboldened YOYO there because power is given to assigned angel in proportional to the task at hand

Easy Bro!

Angels are always armed with "Holy Ghost Fire" to burn satanic, evil and demonic Spirits.

Lucifer is a "MATCH" to strike FIRE and cause such a confusion that may require Buhari's newly acquired Fire Equipment to quench. Lucifer is a Demon. Lucifer taught Adam and Eve how to roast meat and cook food. That was Lucifer's only usefulness before God took the Responsibility away from It and gave it to Angels to use as Holy Ghost Fire.

Angels are Good Spirits.

Lucifer is a Demon, Devil and Satan in Heaven.

We know that Satan is not Lucifer really. We know how and /or what you mean by that

You said "we". Are you speaking for the op?

"Then the king will say to those on his left,
"Get away from me! You are under God's curse. Go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels!"
- Matthew 25:41

I beg to differ, if Satan has angels and/or messengers, then by de facto, Satan for that reason, is an archangel

The verses you quoted was after Satan rebelled. He was not made archangel by God when in heaven as a loyal angel.

Absolutely the devil has no place in heaven.

hm.

Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

The story doesn't go quite like that.

First, there is no doubt that God vs Satan is a very one-sided match even if all the angels sided with Satan. Arrogance, however, is insanity. We have myriad versions of it manifest in the world today, but the most potent kind is the kind that assumes that one can make truth whatever one wants it to be. Satan decided that being a creature was not true, that he could become God. That was self-deceit, and that led to his attempted coup against God.

Second, Satan has not yet been ejected from Heaven. That is still future and will occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation in about a decade from now, unless God is pleased to lengthen the time.

Third, Satan did not recruit anybody. It may seem like hair-splitting, but it is a crucial distinction: Satan deceived a third of the angels into joining up with him.

Fourth, the Satanic rebellion was ended by a summary judgment: God flooded the Universe and killed off all material life including the monstrosities that Satan and his cohorts made in their quest for material bodies of their own. It was not ended by a war in the heavens.

Fifth, a great white throne is not mentioned in that time. The Lord Jesus will judge all unbelievers at the Great White Throne at the end of time, but that is the only place such a throne is mentioned. Other mentions of God's Throne in the Bible depict a battle chariot rather than a stationary throne. The description of God's Throne in the Pristine Original Earth is not given.

Sixth, it is true that Satan outranks archangels. He was created the only cherub, the highest ranking angel of them all. After God ended his rebellion, He rewarded the faithful angels according to their zeal in refusing to join Satan's rebellion and staying true to God. Four of them were promoted to become cherubim to replace Satan in his guardian duty (only the Lord Jesus replaced him as Regent over the Earth). They are currently the highest ranking angels. They are also called seraphs/seraphim (i.e., burning ones) and living beings/creatures. They are unique in appearance, possessing four faces and three pairs of wings. They transport God's Chariot Throne and guard it whenever it is at rest. Next to them in rank are the twenty four kingly elders, after whom are the seven archangels, two of whom alone are identified in the Bible as Michael and Gabriel. Satan has, however, retained his powers as a cherub and is thus not easily handled by any angel. Michael will defeat him during the Tribulation because he will be better prepared (as opposed to Satan's arrogant assumptions due to his rank and power) and he will certainly have God's Help.

Seventh, nowhere is it said in Revelations that it takes four archangels (or that there are only four archangels) to bind him. Only one archangel will capture him, chain him up, and imprison him in a locked compartment of the completely lightless Abyss for the Millennium of the Lord Jesus's reign over the Earth.

Ihedinobi3:

The story doesn't go quite like that.

First, there is no doubt that God vs Satan is a very one-sided match even if all the angels sided with Satan. Arrogance, however, is insanity. We have myriad versions of it manifest in the world today, but the most potent kind is the kind that assumes that one can make truth whatever one wants it to be. Satan decided that being a creature was not true, that he could become God. That was self-deceit, and that led to his attempted coup against God.

Second, Satan has not yet been ejected from Heaven. That is still future and will occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation in about a decade from now, unless God is pleased to lengthen the time.

Third, Satan did not recruit anybody. It may seem like hair-splitting, but it is a crucial distinction: Satan deceived a third of the angels into joining up with him.

Fourth, the Satanic rebellion was ended by a summary judgment: God flooded the Universe and killed off all material life including the monstrosities that Satan and his cohorts made in their quest for material bodies of their own. It was not ended by a war in the heavens.

Fifth, a great white throne is not mentioned in that time. The Lord Jesus will judge all unbelievers at the Great White Throne at the end of time, but that is the only place such a throne is mentioned. Other mentions of God's Throne in the Bible depict a battle chariot rather than a stationary throne. The description of God's Throne in the Pristine Original Earth is not given.

Sixth, it is true that Satan outranks archangels. He was created the only cherub, the highest ranking angel of them all. After God ended his rebellion, He rewarded the faithful angels according to their zeal in refusing to join Satan's rebellion and staying true to God. Four of them were promoted to become cherubim to replace Satan in his guardian duty (only the Lord Jesus replaced him as Regent over the Earth). They are currently the highest ranking angels. They are also called seraphs/seraphim (i.e., burning ones) and living beings/creatures. They are unique in appearance, possessing four faces and three pairs of wings. They transport God's Chariot Throne and guard it whenever it is at rest. Next to them in rank are the twenty four kingly elders, after whom are the seven archangels, two of whom alone are identified in the Bible as Michael and Gabriel. Satan has, however, retained his powers as a cherub and is thus not easily handled by any angel. Michael will defeat him during the Tribulation because he will be better prepared (as opposed to Satan's arrogant assumptions due to his rank and power) and he will certainly have God's Help.

Seventh, nowhere is it said in Revelations that it takes four archangels (or that there are only four archangels) to bind him. Only one archangel will capture him, chain him up, and imprison him in a locked compartment of the completely lightless Abyss for the Millennium of the Lord Jesus's reign over the Earth.

How do you mean Satan has not been ejected from heaven? Did he not tell God he was roaming to and fro the earth before God asked him to consider Job,? surely he is not omnipresent, yeah
Point six, if Satan is created the only cherub pls tell us who the other cherub was that God placed at Eden after the fall of man with the flaming sword, shalom!!

arantess:

How do you mean Satan has not been ejected from heaven? Did he not tell God he was roaming to and fro the earth before God asked him to consider Job,? surely he is not omnipresent, yeah
Point six, if Satan is created the only cherub pls tell us who the other cherub was that God placed at Eden after the fall of man with the flaming sword, shalom!!

Regarding your first question, that was the result of Adam's failure in the Garden. When Adam listened to his wife, ultimately obeying Satan in disobedience to God, he gave his rightful place of rule over the Earth over to Satan. That was what gave Satan rights to rule over the Earth and patrol it as he did. He has not yet been confined to Earth. According to the Bible, that will only happen in the middle of the Tribulation as Revelation 12 teaches. Ezekiel 28 speaks of the event in the past tense because it is as good as done although it is yet future.

About your second question, as I said, Satan was replaced with four cherubs who were rewarded with that position because they were the most zealous in their rejection of his ideas and in their faithfulness to God. They were not cherubs from the beginning, they were promoted to that position as a reward for their faithfulness. Note also that the rebellion was already done and judged before God recreated the Universe to create Man who will replace Satan and the angels that joined him in rebellion.

I have searched the whole Bible and never saw any story about lucifer. I also never read anywhere mentioning Michael as the most powerful angel, let alone more powerful than any lucifer.

Where do you all take your teachings from?

It is very sad that threads like these don't last

Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael? Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation. His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels. IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.



Simon Bridge

Atheist, studied religion

22w ago

The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

Probably why Satan created lawyers.

What?


https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Lucifer-weaker-than-Archangel-Michael-Would-that-not-make-God-versus-Satan-very-one-sided

coz Lucifer is a demon/devil and the Archangel isvsn angel,simple as A,B,C

Whoever it was but the capacity of the prince of Persia was too much for Gabriel to handle that he needed the help of Michael to bail him out.

The book of revelations says this:

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So these are the Biblical evidence to back my claims that angel Michael is the most powerful angel, and the only angel that's stronger than Satan, so provide yours.

So provide yours.

Angel Gabriel is a messenger angel not a war angel, it's not that he was helpless against Prince of Persia, he had instructions from God to deliver a message and not to fight.
And because angel Micheal fought Satan doesn't mean he is the only angel match up to Satan. He's just one of the strong angels. When we pray God sends angels to help us and these angels overcome devil everytime, any angel with God is far stronger than Satan, devil is fighting a loosing war, if he couldn't even harm angel Micheal how can he come near God.