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|The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by NnennaG6(f): 5:26pm On Mar 10, 2019|
So i was watching a movie about a week ago titled "The Thirteenth Floor", and its been on mind for quite some time. Now i've come to a conclusion: We are living in a simulated reality and experiments already carried out prove it.
Crazy right? If that caught your attention stick with me a while and I'll walk you through it.
Particles react one way when being viewed by a human.
Particles react differently when not viewed by a human.
Particles fired down experimental tubes unaware if a human would be at the end, measured at the start of the tube and the end of the tube.
When there was a human at the end the particle acted like there would be a human at the end even when it didn't know there would be because it would only find out in the future if a human was present.
When fired down the same tube with no human at the end to watch, the particle was measured acting the way it does when no human is present at the beginning and at the end, before it could possibly know there would be no human present.
Just like when you are looking down a road in a computer game, everything that's behind you in said computer game isn't there because it's not on screen, the particles aren't "on" because you are not looking at them, if you then turn around they are on, you can't however catch them unaware that you are going to turn them "on." they know in advance. This is how all particles work.
So what would need to be true if this were a simulation. One day the world would just start like a computer turning on. It would be off one minute and on the next kind of like a big bang.
What else would be true? The entire world we exist in would be entirely mathematical because it's held on a computer and is made up of code. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_universe_hypothesis
The world would be entirely made up of coded laws, like gravity, enersia and there would be a speed limit just like the speed of light, because there is a maximum speed at which a computer can run like all computers. When traveling at the speed of light we believe time slows down, just like when you are near large amounts of mass such as a black hole. Why would time slow down? Because of the limitations on our simulator. Traveling at the fastest speed possible and being next to large mass would require large amounts of processing power taxing our simulation slowing it down.
Would we see computer code in the world we live in? We've already found it. String theory which is earths best mathematical explanation for the world we live in has computer code in it.
This is a computer simulation.
Having established this,
1)If we were in a simulation then doesn't that follow that the creator(s) of that simulation should be GOD(S) to us?
2)If the creators of simulations are considered GOD(s) are we GODS too if we can create them?
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|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by Vic2Ree(m): 5:44pm On Mar 10, 2019|
I have Earth as a Many Worlds Simulation. There's no intelligent life in our Universe because it's a Simulation of a population of humans. This simulation was created by and is maintained by highly intelligent and technologically advanced interdimensional entities hidden in the higher dimensions outside of our human perception .. and sometimes we get a look behind the veil when we see an unidentified arial vehicle etc doing patch work here.
As far as religion goes.. well religion is fucking cancer. It causes war; division rather than unity; child abuse; terrorism etc.
God aka the Creator of the Sim sends his Son Jesus into the Sim to advise humanity of the rules (Commandments) and provides him with cheat codes so people will take him seriously.. walking on water.. water into wine.. healing.. resurrection etc
There is no Hell. That is a social/population control mechanism. A true and just God would not banish souls to hell for all eternity. Especially not a God of Love and Forgiveness.
Heaven is outside of our dimensions of physically defined space and time. The highest dimension. Where the Creator lives.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 5:54pm On Mar 10, 2019|
This is really shallow compared to the op's mind racking submission!
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 6:02pm On Mar 10, 2019|
NnennaG6 which part of Enugu are you in, I'd like to very much discuss with you.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 6:08pm On Mar 10, 2019|
Of course, if this is a simulation, it follows that creators of this simulation in a basic sense of the word are Gods.
However, this also suggests that there is a much realer reality, that is the reality upon which the framework of this simulation is built.
Like our reality is to a game.
This suggests a much realer universe, a reality of the creators.
Heck, the world of the creators could be one out of a nigh infinite number just like ours in this universe.
The creators of this simulation may be one out of a countless others that exist in their universe.
This is even consistent with my idea of a hyper space and time
This however takes us back to the very primary question we have always asked.
How did this real universe begin?
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by Vic2Ree(m): 6:12pm On Mar 10, 2019|
shakmati:Do you have an actual response to my comment or do you just want to hear yourself talk? Where is your contribution to the topic since you're too deep unlike me?
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by JujuSugar(f): 6:28pm On Mar 10, 2019|
NnennaG6:Curious points here......
SImulation Hypothesis claims that we are simulated , aka created, that there is a simulator somewhere processing some kind of data and creating us......
This is a type of creationism. So if we are going to accept that the simulation hypothesis could be true , then we have to accept that at least some kind of creationism must be in play.......
You simply can not play the simulation game if you have no computer. Just as you need a computer to run ( = create) the game you also need a simulator to create this universe............
So if there is no creator and no god(s) the simulation hypothesis can not be true. This is undeniable.........
shadeyinka, this may interest you
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 6:35pm On Mar 10, 2019|
I like NnennaG6's musings. A point I would like to develop is the certainty of everyrhing if we are in a simulated environment. That means the ceator(s) know the exact response to every action as it is in the codes. What if it is programmed that if the character believes in the existence of the creator, it gets upgraded at the end of the level to ....... Lol. What if the characters were programmed to think and act the way they do. Just the way the particle responds 'not knowing' if there will be human presence or not. Are we then really agents of free thought?
Crazy musings @johnydon22. It's mind blowing thinking about how many levels of reality could exist out there. In recent times I have found myself dreaming of events that would occur the next day. Has my programme been tweaked to give me an advantage or was I programmed to do this before now.? I totally agree that this our reality is never all there is to reality. The levels of reality might be more than we can fathom with the limited processing power of our microcosm of a universe. I however also believe that we are products of a creator. That means we are from the thought process of a superior being. If there is a part of the code that gets me translated from merely participating on the interface to being part of the creator, won't that mean eternal life? *crazy thoughts* lol
Now, consider again the futility of the characters in this simulation trying to fully comprehend the creator if the creator does not include that possibility in the simulation. Interesting topic really!
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 6:41pm On Mar 10, 2019|
JujuSugar:I disagree with this one. If the universe is infinite, then everything that is possible to happen will happen. Then brain-in-a-vats will emerge from dumb matter. It is extremely hard for brain-in-a-vats to emerge from dumb matter, but this process will have infinite amount of time to happen.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by JujuSugar(f): 6:44pm On Mar 10, 2019|
shakmati:lol. An interesting topic indeed
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 6:46pm On Mar 10, 2019|
Further to my earlier comment on how shallow your comment is, is it not thought provoking to you that despite how ridiculous your statement about religion, God and His Son sounds, billions of people are ready to die believing it? Religion remains one of the strongest forces of both good and evil (if there is anything like good and evil).
I believe this discussion is beyond experential logic and reasoning. It requires depth of thought beyond our experiences!
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|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by JujuSugar(f): 6:49pm On Mar 10, 2019|
TheArranger:Even if we would accept that , that it was possible, its still not the simulation hypothesis .
If the simulation theory is true then creationism must be true as well.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 6:54pm On Mar 10, 2019|
Why this topic also caught my attention is the speculation the Pius Adesanmi might have been involved in Ethiopian airlines crash today as the only Nigerian. I wondered if true, of all the millions of Nigerians, even with subtraction of every Nigerian that cannot afford to fly to Ethiopia Air, what is the probability Pius Adesanmi that we love so much could have been on that aircraft? It's very small. Yet, it somehow managed to happen. Now, this seems like simulation to me. What's gonna be has been programmed to be! Well, it's a hypothesis. I actually do not really believe myself. Lol.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 6:56pm On Mar 10, 2019|
Exactly! Someone must meet certain conditions for simulation to occur! This would be a big hit to the hypothesis of randomness in the existence of matter!
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 7:00pm On Mar 10, 2019|
Are you implying it is possible for BIV to emerge from dumb matter without external interference?
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 7:06pm On Mar 10, 2019|
You guys are implying that it would be impossible to say that nobody created us if the sim hypothesis was true and i demonstrated that is not the case.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by JujuSugar(f): 7:14pm On Mar 10, 2019|
TheArranger:Not exactly, sir......
You are claiming that a simulation could come into existence on its own. ( Which is another debate ) That's not the simulation hypothesis.
Simulation hypothesis is based on some beings deliberately creating a sim.
Basically the hypothesis says " if we can build computers that can run realistic simulations , then someone else must have been able to do that too, and they may have created us, therefore we could be in a sim".
That someone else could be us in another life/ dimension/ universe or some other beings , but no matter who they might be they are the creators. = This is creationism.
Maybe its not exactly the creationism as we are used to hear from religious people as stated in bible or other religious books , but it still is creationism.
Now don't twist it , i am not defending any religious ideology here, and i am personally an atheist , but we have to be objective about it and when all the evidence suggest that this must be the case then we can not deny it just because it goes against our belief system.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by Ihedinobi3: 7:17pm On Mar 10, 2019|
NnennaG6:I appreciate the mention, Nnenna. It is very much appreciated indeed, but I'm a Christian. Speculations of this sort hold little interest for me. I am about as grateful and interested in science as any other person, and I may know more about it than the average person because of my antecedents, but I don't decide my theology on the basis of science at all.
Philosophy too is interesting to me because of its seductiveness to smart believers. Satan always crafts his attacks to suit his targets. Where he would not gain much from attacking a simple believer with philosophy, he does gain a great deal from attacking intelligent ones with the same thing. For the simple, superstition works extraordinarily well. For the sophisticated, science and philosophy work the same. Philosophy has the weakness of being creature-made. It simply offers alternatives to the biblical explanation of life. Of course, because of how elaborate and flowery it can be, it presents an certain feel of legitimacy that seduces those who should know better. But this does not need to be. The Bible is a most elegant philosophy on its own. Additionally, it is completely and perfectly true where the speculations of men and demons are never authoritative.
So, my answer is that we are not in a simulation at all. The Bible is unequivocal about the fact that we are all here to make a choice. In the end, a new Universe will be made where those who choose the Lord will reign with Him throughout eternity, and others will be deposited in a Lake of Fire for eternity as well.
That really is the big picture. The fantasies and horror stories that people make up have nothing to do with reality.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 7:17pm On Mar 10, 2019|
I don't see how you did.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 7:33pm On Mar 10, 2019|
JujuSugar:No. That is the simulation argument. Simulation hypothesis simply states that we are living in a simulation. Nothing more.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by JujuSugar(f): 7:47pm On Mar 10, 2019|
TheArranger:Based on what, sir?
I will have to disagree with your claim........
If tomorrow someone would prove that the simulation hypothesis was right , then they would also be proving that creationism is a fact.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 7:48pm On Mar 10, 2019|
The fundamental premise of the simulation theory is the that there is a simulator creator or creators
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 7:53pm On Mar 10, 2019|
JujuSugar:@bolded- Its actual meaning (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis).
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by JujuSugar(f): 8:15pm On Mar 10, 2019|
TheArranger:I am copy pasting from the link you provided
One thing that later generations might do with their super-powerful computers is run detailed simulations of their forebears or of people like their forebears.
In this claim the so called the later generations are creating a simulation, they are the creators.= This is creationism being talked about.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shadeyinka(m): 9:09pm On Mar 10, 2019|
JujuSugar:I don't know about simulation hypothesis: however, it can be seen that everything is programmed.
From atoms, to elements, to compounds and molecular, to DNA, to water cycle, oxygen cycle, food chain/cycle, periodicity of planets, humans etc.
Me, I see a great programmer: for order cannot come out of chaos without an "intelligent application of force"!
What do you think about the simulation theory?
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by LordReed(m): 9:59pm On Mar 10, 2019|
I don't accept the logical path this conclusion follows hence I don't accept the simulation theory. Just the energy required to maintain such a simulation should be incomprehensibly prohibitive.
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 3:22am On Mar 11, 2019|
Once you accept creationism, you're toast. The walls of atheism comes crashing down! There is no fence to sit on here!
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 3:24am On Mar 11, 2019|
You are in a dire situation here. Are you also discounting the results of a scientific research? On what basis does your atheism stand then?
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by shakmati(m): 3:26am On Mar 11, 2019|
It is inconclusive to state that simulation is all there is. Simple logic tells us if there is a simulation, there must be a simulator!
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by theoriginalgood: 6:50am On Mar 11, 2019|
Here’s a more poetic perspective on Good’s existence:
|Re: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by Rossikki: 7:03am On Mar 11, 2019|
The theory makes sense. I might add too that 'Linear Time' is a feature of that simulation. In the real world outside the simulation, there is no 'before' and 'after'. Everything is occurring at the same 'time', or what some writer termed ''the Eternal Now''.
That explains the bible verse that says 'a thousand years is like a day to God'.
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