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Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 8:57pm On Mar 13
Hello to All.

In the following posts I will attempt to deal with esoteric / mystical Christianity understood as the sum total of the occult teachings of Jesus and early Christians.

I shall attempt to demonstrate that the books in the Bible and out of it were never meant to be read literally but instead are encrypted with various layers of codes enigmas and levels of meanings.

I shall substantiate the claim that all that is written in the Bible describe inner and universal principles as they were understood by early Christians and possibly Jesus.

I shall explain how and why Jesus and the primitive sect formed around him found necessary to proceed in this manner instead of displaying their doctrine exoterically (in opposition to esoterically).

I will thus proceed and post at my convenience hoping it will be of interest to some seekers. This is purely my opinion and I do not represent nor belong to any religous body group or circle.

You are all welcome.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by KevMitnick: 12:23am On Mar 14
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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 2:38am On Mar 14
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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 4:03am On Mar 14
Every significant religion follows the same cycle.

- discovery of a deep truth by a spiritual seeker that leads him to some level of gnosis / union with divinity /enlightenment

- the enlightened shared his perception of truth with people around him

- The people do understand the truth each according to their level. Some do not understand at all. Some even oppose it.

-As opposition increase, the number of adherent also increase. After a certain threshold the new cult becomes mainstream and is tolerated, sometimes accepted by majority.

- The difference of level of understanding creates a plurality of interpretation. This creates a need for established theoretical and theological doctrine.


- rulers and aspiring rulers find in doctrine an opportunity to further their own agenda and political aim.

- the original founder is made into a God or a unique / usually the only or last mouthpiece of God. This ensures that the people will keep united under his banner despite the divergences.

The original truth that was unearthed is at that point made banal and set aside for other more convenient doctrines.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 4:16am On Mar 14
Every significant religion follows more or less the same cycle and this gives room to only few variations.

Early Christians and possibly Jesus were very aware of it, and in order to save their sacred mystical teaching had to manoeuveur intelligently.

In the book of Mathew, their Modus operandi is stated out in a parable.

The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field

Mathew 13:44

There are many esoteric level of meanings to this parable. We shall adress some deeper interpretation of this. For the time being suffice to say that it is curious that a man having found a great treasure, hid it again.

Why would he hide it again? Perhaps he knows that one should not "give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"

This verse shows that Jesus very early understood that he had uncovered (a) great spiritual truth(s) and did not intend to share it with the common man, for fear it shall be trampled.

He instead chose to operate differently.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 7:47am On Mar 14
LoJ:
Every significant religion follows more or less the same cycle and this gives room to only few variations.

Early Christians and possibly Jesus were very aware of it, and in order to save their sacred mystical teaching had to manoeuveur intelligently.

In the book of Mathew, their Modus operandi is stated out in a parable.

The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field

Mathew 13:44

There are many esoteric level of meanings to this parable. We shall adress some deeper interpretation of this. For the time being suffice to say that it is curious that a man having found a great treasure, hid it again.

Why would he hide it again? Perhaps he knows that one should not "give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"

This verse shows that Jesus very early understood that he had uncovered (a) great spiritual truth(s) and did not intend to share it with the common man, for fear it shall be trampled.

He instead chose to operate differently.
The man stumbled upon the treasure while walking in a field that belonged to someone else. He hid the treasure hoping no one knew it was there then arranged to buy the field off the none the wise field owner after which he dug up the treasure and was rich.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 7:52am On Mar 14
LoJ:

This verse shows that Jesus very early understood that he had uncovered (a) great spiritual truth(s) and did not intend to share it with the common man, for fear it shall be trampled.

He instead chose to operate differently.
I wouldn't say the evidence supports this. If he intended to hide the treasure he could have just been a carpenter, or a fisherman. He in fact did share it with the common man and was trampled so one can't say he feared.

How did he operate differently?
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 11:01am On Mar 14
budaatum:

I wouldn't say the evidence supports this. If he intended to hide the treasure he could have just been a carpenter, or a fisherman. He in fact did share it with the common man and was trampled so one can't say he feared.

How did he operate differently?
No he didn't. And It is my intention to demonstrate this here.

For now let just say, keeping totally quiet was out of the question, since part of the responsibility of an enlightened is to bring forth light to others.

So this is the dilemma, how can one give the unearthed truth to those that are worthy from generation to generation, while at the same time Keep it from the unworthy?

This filtration is precisely what is referred to in this parable :

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and caught fish of every kind; when it was full, they drew it ashore, sat down, and put the good into baskets but threw out the bad"

Jesus and each sage has to find a way to tell the truth to everyone, but make sure that only the wise understands it.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 11:14am On Mar 14
budaatum:

The man stumbled upon the treasure while walking in a field that belonged to someone else. He hid the treasure hoping no one knew it was there then arranged to buy the field off the none the wise field owner after which he dug up the treasure and was rich.
I am not of the opinion that the man stumbled randomly on the treasure.

If the treasure here refers to the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, no one find that by random. it is a Dedicated search for knowledge and singleheartedness and determination.

The emphasis here is made on "someone" because many do seek, but only rare so find. I will come back to this verse to explain other deeper mysteries hidden therein, including the fact that it was actually a clue to a real treasure which existed and was found and was hid again. Till now people still search for it.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 11:44am On Mar 14
LoJ:

I am not of the opinion that the man stumbled randomly on the treasure.

If the treasure here refers to the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, no one find that by random. it is a Dedicated search for knowledge and singleheartedness and determination.

The emphasis here is made on "someone" because many do seek, but only rare so find. I will come back to this verse to explain other deeper mysteries hidden therein, including the fact that it was actually a clue to a real treasure which existed and was found and was hid again. Till now people still search for it.
Stumble upon does not imply random. The man who found the treasure in the field would have to recognise treasure and where to look for it along with having the means to purchase it once found and this means he must be capable of finding it, as in recognising what he finds. After all, the field owner who most likely had been working his field for many years never knew there was treasure in his field. The fact remains that the man was walking around, likely looking for it and found it in an unexpected place, unless we wish to claim he knew where the treasure was before 'finding' it.

No one finds the Kingdom of God by random. the next parable clearly shows you have to be looking for it.

45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. 46 When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.

So it is a indeed a Dedicated search for knowledge with singleheartedness and determination, and through very many fields too, so many that you'd likely own many 'fields' thinking you'd found it. I bet if I looked on your bookshelves it is full of 'fields' you bought over time, and if there are no fields on your shelves anymore......................

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 11:49am On Mar 14
LoJ:

No he didn't. And It is my intention to demonstrate this here.
He didn't share it with the common man and was trampled? Does crucified not qualify as trampled and was it not for sharing what he knew?

My bad. Perhaps I should read patiently until your are done.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 11:49am On Mar 14
budaatum:

Stumble upon does not imply random. The man who found the treasure in the field would have to recognise treasure and where to look for it along with having the means to purchase it once found and this means he must be capable of finding it, as in recognising what he finds. After all, the field owner who most likely had been working his field for many years never knew there was treasure in his field. The fact remains that the man was walking around, likely looking for it and found it in an unexpected place, unless we wish to claim he knew where the treasure was before 'finding' it.

No one finds the Kingdom of God by random. the next parable clearly shows you have to be looking for it.

45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. 46 When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.

So it is a indeed a Dedicated search for knowledge with singleheartedness and determination, and through very many fields too, so many that you'd likely own many 'fields' thinking you'd found it. I bet if I looked on your bookshelves it is full of 'fields' you bought over time, and if there are no fields on your shelves anymore......................
I totally agree. And you are spot on on your last point. Spiritual quest is the most difficult and demaning quest and it requires to seek knowledge in every other field of studies available. And Yes, the bookshelves are very big and diverse.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 11:54am On Mar 14
budaatum:

He didn't share it with the common man and was trampled? Does crucified not qualify as trampled and was it not for sharing what he knew?

My bad. Perhaps I should read patiently until your are done.
No he didnt share. He made sure people heard him, but only wise people understood him. In life we are always going to face tribulation and difficulties. It is not always a result of us sharing deep truth. Jesus clearly abhor revealing to people what they are not ready to know, and every wise man does likewise.

Being crucified (if he ever was) is not necessarily a consequence of him sharing his knowledge. The crucifixion in Golgotha like most events in the Bible, aree not meant to be understood literally. It is above all, an internal event that grants one access to christ consciousness. Golgotha is nowehere to be found but in ourselves, as the name rightly implies.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 12:32pm On Mar 14
LoJ:

No he didnt share. He made sure people heard him, but only wise people understood him. In life we are always going to face tribulation and difficulties. It is not always a result of us sharing deep truth. Jesus clearly abhor revealing to people what they are not ready to know, and every wise man does likewise.

Being crucified (if he ever was) is not necessarily a consequence of him sharing his knowledge. The crucifixion in Golgotha like most events in the Bible, aree not meant to be understood literally. It is above all, an internal event that grants one access to christ consciousness. Golgotha is nowehere to be found but in ourselves, as the name rightly implies.

"Out in the open did he call aloud, raising his voice in the public square; on top of the wall he cries out, at the city gate he makes his speech."

That making sure "people heard", is sharing. Jesus would not light a lamp and hide it, nor can he hide it if he wished too since mustard seeds grow massive unhideable plants. He in fact tried really hard to share with just about everyone, including the wretched going to hell Gentiles, and tax collectors and harlots, and the poor in spirit too, and those in hell too for three days! When his rain fell, it fell on everyone's head regardless, which is why it is said that by grace does one receive (or is saved), and not by the sweat of thy brow.

And your 'trampled' too was not taken literally, since you'd already said you are talking mystically. If not that you are of good cheer, you could say I am trampling on you. I sure feel very bad that my poking my two bits in might not go down well, except its you, LoJ. Trample, crucified, same difference, mystically.

I (if he ever was) because it is irrelevant. I assume that since we are talking about Jesus Christ we mean the texts written about him whether he existed or not.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 12:40pm On Mar 14
LoJ:

And Yes, the bookshelves are very big and diverse.
What You have not moved to the next level and sold them and given the money to the poor yet?

P.s. I'm stuck in February struggling for a book for the month of March. Got a suggestion? Must be available free online please.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 1:56pm On Mar 14
budaatum:
That making sure "people heard", is sharing.
This is where we diverge. I am talking about sharing his mystical knowledge, not just talking to the crowd. My thesis is that, Jesus made sure everybody heard him, but only the wise could partake to his knowledge. In that sense, he shared his knowledge only with worthy people.

We can always agree to disagree.

As for your book query:

The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall

Self Reliance by Emerson

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by ThothHermes: 2:11pm On Mar 14
LoJ:

This is where we diverge. I am talking about sharing his mystical knowledge, not just talking to the crowd. My thesis is that, Jesus made sure everybody heard him, but only the wise could partake to his knowledge. In that sense, he shared his knowledge only with worthy people.

We can always agree to disagree.

As for your book query:

The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall

Self Reliance by Emerson
I've read some chapters in the first. More like a compendium than a book.

I'll go look for the second.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 2:35pm On Mar 14
ThothHermes:
I've read some chapters in the first. More like a compendium than a book.

I'll go look for the second.
Greetings dear,

The first is indeed a compilation of various paths. The goal is to see the hidden line that unites them all. The second book by Emerson is indeed a very great one. Transcendentalism is key.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 3:23pm On Mar 14
LoJ:
This is where we diverge. I am talking about sharing his mystical knowledge, not just talking to the crowd. My thesis is that, Jesus made sure everybody heard him, but only the wise could partake to his knowledge. In that sense, he shared his knowledge only with worthy people.

We can always agree to disagree.
No LoJ! This is not about agreeing or disagreeing. And when we diverge we must give reason. Mysticism, is what you called it so let's do it, if we are "worthy" that is. ("Capable", would be my preferred word by the way since worthiness implies someone or thing, judging.)

Jesus scattered seeds all over the place with no care where they fell but knowing some will fall on the wayside with no soil, some on rocky ground with little soil, and some on soil which contained thorns, but when it falls on good soil it grows, yielding thirty, sixty, or a hundredfold.

He shared his knowledge with everyone but it was the blind who received sight, the lame who walked, those who have leprosy were cleansed, the deaf heard, the dead were raised, and the good news was proclaimed to the poor. It's overlooked, but notice how the blind did not 'walk', nor the deaf receive sight, each received what they came looking for. Then some "poor" lot got the "mystical knowledge".

LoJ:
As for your book query:

The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall

Self Reliance by Emerson
Irony. Lol!

That first one is way above the level of the fb page I post on, and no, not about hiding it, but a case of not casting pearls before swines least they pig on it and choke to death. That's Jesus for you, not wanting to blow peoples' minds. And the reason he called some aside who were capable of understanding and told them the secrets of the Kingdom of God. He even had an inner circle amongst his disciples who understood more than some and whom he told more. To those who had, more was given.

Have I got the second one the right?
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 4:30pm On Mar 14
budaatum:
He shared his knowledge with everyone but it was the blind who received sight, the lame who walked, those who have leprosy were cleansed, the deaf heard, the dead were raised, and the good news was proclaimed to the poor. It's overlooked, but notice how the blind did not 'walk', nor the deaf receive sight, each received what they came looking for. Then some "poor" lot got the "mystical knowledge".
This is the reason I said lets agree to disagree. Because from my understanding, we have a superficial divergence, which is tied to the limitations of human words. In essence we are saying the same thing, that is, each person received according to his inner readiness. The rest is just parallax like divergence.

With respect to the book, I did not know you own the facebook page, let alone the audience. Let me check that out.

Concerning Emerson, I can't access the Gutenberg page because I live in Germany (and the Gutenberg Project ifs blocked here for the most part). But I believe it must surely be the correct one.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 4:35pm On Mar 14
LoJ:


With respect to the book, I did not know you own the facebook page, let alone the audience. Let me check that out.

Concerning Emerson, I can't access the Gutenberg page because I live in Germany (and the Gutenberg Project if blocked here for the most part). But I believe it must surely be the correct one.
Is his essays, of which the one you mentioned is included.

Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 4:38pm On Mar 14
budaatum:

Is his essays, of which the one you mentioned is included.
Indeed. All of them a great. A spiritual seeker can find interesting thoughts in Self reliance in particular. It reminds me of the Yaqui Man of Knowledge.

Since you are adressing a quite open community, you may want to check out "the magus of Java" by Kosta Danaos.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 4:53pm On Mar 14
LoJ:

Since you are addressing a quite open community, you may want to check out "the magus of Java" by Kosta Danaos.
Thanks. I'm going for Emerson for March. Read some and like. Wish I had time to read it too.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 10:28pm On Mar 14
After this short break, I believe we can proceed.

Jesus clearly stated the enigmatic nature of his teachings and it is reported many times in the Bible.

When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,and ever hearing but never understanding;” Mark 4:10

What Jesus is saying here in very clear terms is that, to the common man he speaks in enigmas, hermetic words. According to him, there are secrets of the kingdom made available only to the discerning mind. It begs the following question: If Jesus spoke in enigmas to people around him, living with him, who could see him and know him, what about the 21st century man? Is it possible that the words of Jesus as recorded in the Bible are not in enigmas to be interpreted?

It may therefore be the correct thing to do, to see the right methods of decoding biblical messages.

The first key is given by Jesus in the following words:

Some Pharisees asked Jesus when the Kingdom of God would come. His answer was, “The Kingdom of God does not come in such a way as to be seen. No one will say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’; because the Kingdom of God is within you.

Most people take the teachings of Christ literally, believing that he is referring to external things, which can be seen, felt or touched. The first great principle is to understand that, most of what is in the scriptures refers to things that are within, and not historical events. Once this is correctly understood, revelation is on its way.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by jesusjnr(m): 2:59pm On Mar 15
LoJ:
Every significant religion follows more or less the same cycle and this gives room to only few variations.

Early Christians and possibly Jesus were very aware of it, and in order to save their sacred mystical teaching had to manoeuveur intelligently.

In the book of Mathew, their Modus operandi is stated out in a parable.

The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field

Mathew 13:44

There are many esoteric level of meanings to this parable. We shall adress some deeper interpretation of this. For the time being suffice to say that it is curious that a man having found a great treasure, hid it again.

Why would he hide it again? Perhaps he knows that one should not "give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"

This verse shows that Jesus very early understood that he had uncovered (a) great spiritual truth(s) and did not intend to share it with the common man, for fear it shall be trampled.

He instead chose to operate differently.
I must say that even though I don't agree with certain aspects of your expressed opinion, I find those which are in sync with my position worthy enough of my endorsement.

For I view Jesus as the perfect Master and also perfect example to not just all those who claim to be His followers, but also to all of humanity.

Hence the extent to which they are able to emulate His example, is the extent to which they are able to emulate His perfection.

And it's for this reason I pay very serious attention to the details of His example, and modus operandi, such as this which you opined on this occasion, that had to do with His method of revealing the mysteries of the Kingdom of God to man.

For the first stage, which I call the stage of "many are called", is the stage where the Word is sown in every heart, and in other words preached to all and sundry.

And the second stage, which I call "the few are chosen" stage, is with respect to the result of the sown or preached word in every heart or to all and sundry respectively.

For the result of the sown or preached word is what distinguishes the few that are chosen from the many or all who are called, and hence qualifies them for the revelation of those mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

For as you rightly opined the revelation of those mysteries are not meant for all who are called, but for only those who are chosen by the result they produced with the Word which was sown in their hearts or preached to their hearing at the first.

In order to ensure that the pearls and gems, even the mysteries of the Kingdom of God are not being wasted or trampled on by those who know not their true value.

Hence Jesus didn't chose to operate differently, but that He had to operate differently for such given reasons.

God bless and be with you.
Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by Shepherd00: 4:26pm On Mar 15
LoJ:
Hello to All.

In the following posts I will attempt to deal with esoteric / mystical Christianity understood as the sum total of the occult teachings of Jesus and early Christians.

I shall attempt to demonstrate that the books in the Bible and out of it were never meant to be read literally but instead are encrypted with various layers of codes enigmas and levels of meanings.

I shall substantiate the claim that all that is written in the Bible describe inner and universal principles as they were understood by early Christians and possibly Jesus.

I shall explain how and why Jesus and the primitive sect formed around him found necessary to proceed in this manner instead of displaying their doctrine exoterically (in opposition to esoterically).

I will thus proceed and post at my convenience hoping it will be of interest to some seekers. This is purely my opinion and I do not represent nor belong to any religous body group or circle.

You are all welcome.
Mystical Christianity? Is there anything Satan won't try to claim as his?

Sir, with all due respect, I'd say you know nothing about Jesus. From my Childhood days, i hear the occult trying to pass the Lord Jesus off as an oçultic mystic, becos they adhere to mysticism, but every time an occult gets arrested, they come out confessing differently.


The Kingdom of Heaven is hidden to the Occult and trying to see into it, is effort in futility.

Jesus hides nothing. His messages are mostly for the unlettered, not for those who feel they already know too much.

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Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by LoJ: 8:37pm On Mar 15
Shepherd00:
Jesus hides nothing. His messages are mostly for the unlettered, not for those who feel they already know too much.

It is the glory of God to conceal (hide) a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. Proverbs 25:2

cheers.

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