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|Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by providence338: 6:37am On Mar 14|
If they have been then...
1. We can have other gods before Him
2. We can worship idols
3. We can blaspheme
4. We can forget the sabbath and not keep it holy
5. We can dishonor our mother and father
6. We can murder
7. We can committ adultery
8. We can steal
9. We can lie
10. We can covet....
What is sin according to God's Word? Sin is the transgression of His LAW (1 John 3:4). This is New Testament. Apparently the Law was still applicable after the death of Christ. Every author of the NT observed the Law (Torah), yes, even Paul who many twist his writings to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).
Every author of the NT, even Christ himself observed the Sabbath, abstained from unclean foods and observed the Feast Days.
We in the church have been taught that the sabbath is Sunday, anything we eat is clean, and to worship false gods like Ishtar (easter) and Nimrod (christmas). These are satanic folly days, rooted in Babylon worship. It's time for the deception to end. Yah is honoring those who are waking up in these end times to follow His laws, His statutes and His commandments. They are good and perfect and changeth not. Amen.
cc: Dencotext -- There is PHYSICAL ISRAEL. Then there is SPIRITUAL ISRAEL. If there were not, then you wouldn't see in the scriptures Jew (Israelites) and Gentile. Natural and Wild Branches. Circumcision and Uncircumcision. If PHYSICAL ISRAEL didn't matter, then the 144K wouldn't comprise of the 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Nor would each gate for every righteous believer, Israelite or otherwise, to enter the New Jerusalem comprise of the 12 TRIBES OF ISREAL. Don't go by what you've been taught. Go by what thus sayeth the LORD. Apparently PHYSICAL ISRAEL still matters much to Him and He has not forgotten them. Not now not ever. Read Jeremiah 31. ALL OF IT. Particularly 31:36-37, and all of its precepts. I noticed you used the word "Israelis". There is no such thing as "Israelis". The Bible carries no such word. Abba father gave His chosen the name ISRAELITES which is in the Bible. Based on your reply, you still haven't grasped that the people occupying the Holy Land are gentiles/ "Israelis", NOT ISRAELITES. "Israelis" observe the satanic Talmud, Israelites observe the TORAH (Law) because it was entrusted to them as a nation from the times of Moses as a springboard to spread the gospel of Christ to the world. Big difference. Satan always uses a counterfeit (Israelis) to imitate the real (Israelites).
cc: EMILO2STAY -- Did you read "THE LAW SHALL GO FORTH FROM ZION AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM" (Isa 2:3, Mic 4:2)? Read frontward and backwards for its fuller context. These are God's words, not mine. What does this particular scripture mean to you?
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by orisa37: 6:56am On Mar 14|
God's Law and Word continue to be the World's Syllabus for our Light, Goodness and Life.
Without it, the World would have collapsed completely with or without Noah.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by providence338: 7:39am On Mar 14|
Thank you brother! I had to create this thread separately as to not detract from an unrelated thread where this original discussion began.
The Law (Torah), the first 5 books of the Bible is basically the Word of God. Everything else is an extrapolation of it, and the stories of the repeated breaking of it by Yah's disobedient chosen who was to be a light to the world by observing this Law! The Law even points to Christ. The 7 Feast Days represent Yah's redemptive plan for ALL MANKIND through the MESSIAH! I'm feeling like King David right now when he wrote Psalm 119...how I love God's Law! Is it a coincidence that Psalm 119, a love letter specifically about God's law, just also happens to be the LONGEST Psalm? I don't think so...
We've been brainwashed to believe the Law is bad, wicked and unjust.
But according to God, the LAW is good, holy and just! (Rom 7:12). The exact opposite!
We've been brainwashed to believe the Law is soooo burdensome.
But according to God, the LAW is NOT burdensome (1 John 5:3). The exact opposite!
We've been brainwashed to believe the Law was imperfect and had to be "done away with".
But according to God, the LAW was not only perfect, but it makes the testimony of Yah trustworthy, revives the soul, making the simple wise (Psa 19:7). The exact opposite!
We've been brainwashed in the church to believe the Law is this horrible, burdensome, imperfect thing which was impossible to keep. However, when I read what God himself says about HIS LAW, the Law is exalted and praised....highly spoken of and well regarded, even well into the New Testament. There is so much confusion about Yah's beautiful Law, which I've found is based mainly in the misunderstanding of Paul's writings (ironically enough, the same man who penned Rom 7:12 above). They never stop to think that this same Paul rushed to Jerusalem from his evangelism to observe the Feast Days, and made animal sacrifice to undergo a Nazarite vow (all part of the LAW).
Blessings to you!
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by orisa37: 8:03am On Mar 14|
The Atheist of this World is our Adversary.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by EMILO2STAY(m): 10:12am On Mar 14|
providence338:you did not answer my question. the bible clearly stated that the law was a shadow of things a better covenant. I really don't even have time to go into all this now. I do not doubt you that those in Israel now are fake jews like I said I agree with almost every thing u said. seems to me that you are a seventh day Adventist.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by providence338: 6:09pm On Mar 14|
I'm not a Jehovah Witness nor 7th Day.
These are cults. Their messiah is Charles Taze Russell (freemason), and Ellen G. White (false prophet).
I'm a follower of the Way (Acts 9:2, 22:4, 24:14). Plain and simple.
I try my best to follow the Way of Christ, as shown by the early church, going as far back as the first assembly in wilderness (Acts 7:38).
The Law ALWAYS pointed to Christ. He was literally the walking Torah. This is what he meant when he said he didn't come to abolish the Law, but he FULFILLED it. His thoughts, deeds, actions and words, embodied the Law. If we're to follow him, then we should embody the Law as well.
The death, burial and resurrection of Yahshua, the shed blood of the Lamb is the BETTER COVENANT. He represented a permanent, spiritual and perpetual sacrifice that through him is the remission of our sins...and not the imperfect blood of animals which was only temporary...a shadow of the permanent blood atonement of Christ.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE LAW IS DONE AWAY WITH.
This does not mean the Sabbath -- which is a weekly dress rehearsal of the coming Millennial Reign rest is done away with.
This does not mean abstaining from unclean foods which harms our bodies is done away with.
This does not mean the Feast Days, which points to the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ (Passover), the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Pentecost), the Glorious Return of the Lion of Judah (Feast of Trumpets), his Judgement on the nations (Day of Atonement) and Kingship (Feast of Tabernacles) is done away with.
God told us that these are HIS FEASTS...not the feasts of the Jews, gentiles, Israelites, the church, etc...but HIS FEASTS (Lev 23:2).
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by EMILO2STAY(m): 6:55pm On Mar 14|
providence338:lol you contradict your self. and yes the sabbath is done away with together with abstinence from unclean food.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by providence338: 2:49am On Mar 15|
Everything I've quoted was from the Bible. So no, I did not contradict myself. This is simply a matter of understanding what the Bible is saying. All the pieces must fit. Paul EXHORTED the Law, as the Bible proves by his own words and actions. He never opposed the Law, which is what the modern churches are insisting. So let's took a closer look at why there's so much confusion about his writings....
First thing to understand is Paul's audience is VERY DIFFERENT from the audience of the other apostles. Paul was appointed by Yah to be an apostle to the gentile nations in the previous book of Acts. The tone of his letters/writings vastly differ from the apostles whose audience were other Israelites who already had a firm cultural, historical and contextual grasp of the Law..the Law was more than just a religion to the Israelites, this was their culture.
This explains why John said the commandments (Law) are a GOOD thing...they aren't burdensome (1 John 5:3), and this is how we show our love and obedience to Yahshua and the Father (John 14:21). James referred to the Law as "perfect" (Jam 1:25) and "royal" (2:8 ) if one fulfills it as Christ did. The Israelites needed an example of how to properly follow the Law...and Yahshua set that example not only for them, but for ALL of us.
Romans Chapter 14 is Paul's gentle rebuke to the Law-familiar Israelites who were now worshipping in their synagogues side-by-side with NEWLY CONVERTED GENTILE ROMANS INTO THE FAITH. These gentiles didn't just accept Yahshua and that was it...scripture proves they were to be taught the Law every sabbath as they grew INTO THE FAITH (read all of Acts 15, esp v.19-21). These are those who Paul said were "weak in the faith", and the Israelites shouldn't judge them or be a stumbling block as they grow stronger INTO THE FAITH. You can imagine how a Roman eating otherwise clean food but sacrificed to Diana would cause confusion. Or how a Greek vegetarian or former drunkard would be confused on how to properly partake of the meat-and-wine-laden Passover. If I as a Hausa converted INTO THE FAITH, but still esteemed the Durbar Festival of my ancestors, Paul is saying this shouldn't be a point of contention since I'm still "weak in the faith". A stronger gentile would likely eventually forsake any ancestral festivals since they're likely rooted in pagan worship. This is where wisdom comes in for those stronger in the faith (Israelites) to be patient and long-suffering as this poses a huge clash of very different cultures who want serve Yahshua but still esteem their own cultural observances. So no, the Sabbath, which is HOW THE GENTILES WERE GOING TO LEARN THE WAY OF CHRIST IN THE FIRST PLACE (Acts 15:21), isn't the esteemed days spoken of here. Unsanctified food like swine isn't even on the table here. "All" in this chapter doesn't mean "all", is consumption of human, rat or cockroach "clean"? All the food and drink mentioned here are all within what God had already sanctified as CLEAN, Paul is not giving the gentiles license to eat OUTSIDE OF THE FAITH.
Regarding Matthew 15...read from the beginning up to v.20. Yahshua is rebuking stiff-necked pharisees WHO NEVER OBSERVED TORAH. THEY OBSERVED TRADITIONS OF MEN (v. 3, 6, 9). Big difference. If you pay attention, you'll see that Yahshua actually QUOTED THE LAW AND HIGHLIGHTED HOW THE PHARISEES WERE BREAKING IT in those verses.
I was always taught the pharisees were burdensome law keepers. Careful examination of the scriptures show the exact opposite...the passages in v. 3-6 is just one of many throughout the Bible which prove that they never upheld the Law in the first place. They were teaching their own traditions, which were leading the Israelites astray (v.14). This is why Christ was needed to show them (us) HOW to uphold the Law, in truth, love and righteousness, something the pharisees never had.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by TVSA: 7:47am On Mar 15|
Jesus observed the sabbath?
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by EMILO2STAY(m): 11:12am On Mar 15|
you need to be care full of what you preach madam. you seem like an intelligent person. Christ should be your focus not this old laws of moses you are preaching.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
digest this scriptures and leave that thing your preaching it is not needed in this Christian era.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by providence338: 10:02pm On Mar 15|
Every day of his life.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by OkCornel(m): 11:35pm On Mar 15|
Does it mean the Apostles were wrong to tell the Gentile Christians not to observe the Mosaic Laws as per Acts 15?
Acts 15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.
3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.
4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.
5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.
6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.
7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.
8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.
9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.
10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.
12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.
13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.
14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.
15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.
18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,
20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.
22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,
23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,
25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.
26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.
29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,
31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.
32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.
33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.
34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.
35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.
36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.
37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.
38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.
40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.
41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.
|Re: Despite What We've Been Taught.... God's Laws Have Not Been Done Away With.... by kpas4kpas: 7:54am On Mar 16|
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