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My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 7:39am On Mar 24, 2019
I discovered by the help of holy spirit that in trinity we have, God the Father, Jesus and holy spirit, three different personalities who when you see them,they are actually 3 personalities that functions physically as different individuals but fuctions as one spiritually unlike what some people used to say that trinity is one person ( God the father ) who functions as Christ sometimes and functions as holy spirit sometime but seen physically as one person. Jesus is an entity on his own, God the father is an entity on his own and holy spirit is an entity on his own physically but they are in each other spiritually. The marriage that the father, the son, the holy spirt enjoy can be seen in husband and wife relationship, when bible say 1 + 1 = 1, its not saying that physically that the husband is the same thing as the wife, they have their individualities but spiritually they are into each other as one that's what happens with the trinity . Another example that explains this relationship is Christ and a believer's relationship. If one gives his life to Christ , from that day the person is in Christ and Christ is in him but this doesn't mean that the believer and Christ are not two different personalities physically but spiritually they are now one person. The bible showed all this all over the new testament and you can find some in John 14:9-11, John 17:22-23, John 20:17. Here you will see that Christ is in God and God also is in him spiritually, the same way that Christ is in us and we thebelievers also in him spiritually but in person and in physical we are not the same different personalities.
Haven explained. with all these relationships of Wife + Husband = 1, two personalities but one spiritually, Christ + A believer = 1, two personalities but one spiritually, God the father + Jesus + Holy Spirit = 1, three personalities but one spiritually, I think its clearer now that trinity is three persons physically that work as individuals sometimes and as one sometimes, not one person physically that works as three . if you don't agree, you can bring your point at the comment sections let's learn from each other. Thanks

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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by Nobody: 7:48am On Mar 24, 2019
So you are saying they are 3 personalities but one spirit?

So when Jesus was being baptized the spirit was above him and the father spoke, how many spirits were they?

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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 8:00am On Mar 24, 2019
LoJ:
So you are saying they are 3 personalities but one spirit?
Correctly put, 3 personalities but one being

LoJ:
So when Jesus was being baptized the spirit was above him and the father spoke, how many spirits were they?
LoJ, it is part of the same and one spirit, just as like, when God breathed into Adam's nostril. It's part of the same and one spirit, just as like, when it came on Mary and the power of the Most High overshadowed her.

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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by Nobody: 8:04am On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Correctly put, 3 personalities but one being

LoJ, it is part of the same and one spirit, just as like, when God breathed into Adam's nostril. It's part of the same and one spirit, just as like, when it came on Mary and the power of the Most High overshadowed her.
Are you saying that Adam is also God?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by Nobody: 8:05am On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Correctly put, 3 personalities but one being
I don't understand this. Is it like Schizophrenia?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On Mar 24, 2019
LoJ:
Are you saying that Adam is also God?
Dont be daft how can Adam also be God, huh?
A part of God was breathed into Adam and that is what brought life into him, that is all Chief.

LoJ:
I don't understand this. Is it like Schizophrenia?
Now you are beginning to talk out of turns. Are you sure its not you suffering from some sort of mental disorder here, huh? No! Nothing to do with schizophrenia, you are barking up a wrong tree, try another or take a different approach to this

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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by Nobody: 9:10am On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Dont be daft how can Adam also be God, huh?
A part of God was breathed into Adam and that is what brought life into him, that is all Chief.

Now you are beginning to talk out of turns. Are you sure its not you suffering from some sort of mental disorder here, huh? No! Nothing to do with schizophrenia, you are barking up a wrong tree, try another or take a different approach to this
Thank you for your opinion.
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:27am On Mar 24, 2019
LoJ:
Thank you for your opinion.
You keep mistaking what I type for opinions, when they arent

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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by ThothHermes: 9:44am On Mar 24, 2019
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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by Splinz(m): 10:26am On Mar 24, 2019
crunchyg:
...if you don't agree, you can bring your point at the comment sections let's learn from each other. Thanks

Obviously, I don't agree. Not just for disagreeing sake but because even your Bible disagrees as well.

God is not 3in1, as coined by lustful pagans as the "Trinity". Biblically speaking, the Godhood is composed of two Beings called "God".

Firstly, let's establish that of a truth, the Godhood is made up of more than one Person before establishing the exact number that constitutes it:

"And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..." (Gen. 1:26). "God" in Old Testament Hebrew is Elohim, a collective noun that can be used in both singular and plural forms, such as with "sheep, deer, series, species" and other terms. It was Elohim who said, "Let US...". Note, the words "Us & Our" in this statement simply shows that at least two or more Persons were involved in the creation work.

But of course, we'll prove that they were not more than TWO. We've already proven that it is more than ONE. So let's see...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God" (John 1:1-2). Before we tie it together, let's quickly see who's this "Word":

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." (John 1:14). This speaks of non other than the One we know today as Jesus Christ.

When tied together, we see that even before the settings of Genesis 1:1, TWO Beings existed, One called the "Word" and the other "God". Interestingly, both of them are GOD: One God--one divine family, or kingdom--comprised of TWO individual Members.

Furthermore, think of their relationship as the sign on U.S. President Donald Trump's desk: "The buck stops here". The Other--the Word (logos in Greek)--represented God, serving as divine "Spokesman" for God's kingdom, following, supporting and carrying out God's commands. One led; the other followed His lead. Yet they were both equally God, in character and power. Their relationship simply reflected an ideal government in action.

In conclusion, having gone all the way to the beginning to see how it all started, and indeed we've seen that there's no mentioned of a supposed "third person" like: "In the beginning was the Word, the Holy Spirit, and God. And the Word and the Holy Spirit was with God", we must summarily conclude that this so-called third person is simply an invention by enemies of the truth.

God is not a Trinity!
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 11:00am On Mar 24, 2019
crunchyg:
I discovered by the help of holy spirit that in trinity we have, God the Father, Jesus and holy spirit, three different personalities who when you see them,they are actually 3 personalities that functions physically as different individuals but fuctions as one spiritually unlike what some people used to say that trinity is one person ( God the father ) who functions as Christ sometimes and functions as holy spirit sometime but seen physically as one person. Thanks
I think you are mixing it up.

The closest illustration of the Trinity of God is the trinity of man.

Just as a man is:
Spirit
Soul
Body
And the three are not different personalities but existence in different dimensions, so
God is a Trinity of:
The Father (who wills and decides)
The Word (who speak everything into being)
The Spirit (who accomplishes the word)


I can explain further if you have any questions
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 11:25am On Mar 24, 2019
Splinz:
Obviously, I don't agree. Not just for disagreeing sake but because even your Bible disagrees as well.

God is not 3in1, as coined by lustful pagans as the "Trinity". Biblically speaking, the Godhood is composed of two Beings called "God".

Firstly, let's establish that of a truth, the Godhood is made up of more than one Person before establishing the exact number that constitutes it:

"And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..." (Gen. 1:26). "God" in Old Testament Hebrew is Elohim, a collective noun that can be used in both singular and plural forms, such as with "sheep, deer, series, species" and other terms. It was Elohim who said, "Let US...". Note, the words "Us & Our" in this statement simply shows that at least two or more Persons were involved in the creation work.

But of course, we'll prove that they were not more than TWO. We've already proven that it is more than ONE. So let's see...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God" (John 1:1-2). Before we tie it together, let's quickly see who's this "Word":

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." (John 1:14). This speaks of non other than the One we know today as Jesus Christ.

When tied together, we see that even before the settings of Genesis 1:1, TWO Beings existed, One called the "Word" and the other "God". Interestingly, both of them are GOD: One God--one divine family, or kingdom--comprised of TWO individual Members.

Furthermore, think of their relationship as the sign on U.S. President Donald Trump's desk: "The buck stops here". The Other--the Word (logos in Greek)--represented God, serving as divine "Spokesman" for God's kingdom, following, supporting and carrying out God's commands. One led; the other followed His lead. Yet they were both equally God, in character and power. Their relationship simply reflected an ideal government in action.

In conclusion, having gone all the way to the beginning to see how it all started, and indeed we've seen that there's no mentioned of a supposed "third person" like: "In the beginning was the Word, the Holy Spirit, and God. And the Word and the Holy Spirit was with God", we must summarily conclude that this so-called third person is simply an invention by enemies of the truth.

God is not a Trinity!

shadeyinka:
I think you are mixing it up.

The closest illustration of the Trinity of God is the trinity of man.

Just as a man is:
Spirit
Soul
Body
And the three are not different personalities but existence in different dimensions, so
God is a Trinity of:
The Father (who wills and decides)
The Word (who speak everything into being)
The Spirit (who accomplishes the word)


I can explain further if you have any questions
shadeyinka, you and Splinz are just trying to argue over nothing.

shadeyinka, are you able to show in the bible where it is explicitly stated that God is trinity. Implied are not welcome, so please take note of that

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Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 11:54am On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:


shadeyinka, you and Splinz are just trying to argue over nothing.

shadeyinka, are you able to show in the bible where it is explicitly stated that God is trinity. Implied are not welcome, so please take note of that
Forget about the word Trinity for now.

There are many words we use that are not in the Bible eg. Holy Communion, Rapture, Christianity


Let's look at the human being. The human being is a compound of the body, soul and spirit; do you agree with this?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 12:43pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:
Forget about the word Trinity for now.
Very good choice and wise move

shadeyinka:
There are many words we use that are not in the Bible eg. Holy Communion, Rapture, Christianity
That doesnt equate to a license to say what not the bible explicitly says though and please desist from throwing in red herrings

shadeyinka:
Let's look at the human being. The human being is a compound of the body, soul and spirit; do you agree with this?
Of course, you know I agree and accept that the human being is a compound of the body, soul and spirit, but you know I am not talking about the human being but is talking about and/or of God. Whatever you've come to perceive God as or to be, is not the last stop or terminus of God. God's name being I AM, I AM, speaks volume that He cant be overly and restrictively pigeonholed
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:48pm On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Very good choice and wise move

That doesnt equate to a license to say what not the bible explicitly says though and please desist from throwing in red herrings

Of course, you know I agree and accept that the human being is a compound of the body, soul and spirit, but you know I am not talking about the human being but is talking about and/or of God. Whatever you've come to perceive God as or to be, is not the last stop or terminus of God. God's name being I AM, I AM, speaks volume that He cant be overly and restrictively pigeonholed
But would you agree that a man is a Trinity?

The problem is that if you don't understand how a man is ONE and yet triune, you would manufacture three gods in the name of doctrine
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 1:09pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:
But would you agree that a man is a Trinity?
So what, if man is trinity, huh?

shadeyinka:
The problem is that if you don't understand how a man is ONE and yet triune, you would manufacture three gods in the name of doctrine
Why dont you speak for yourself and those manufacturing three gods in the name of doctrine, huh?

The below link might help make you change the way in which you've regarded me about man.
https://www.nairaland.com/5094410/what-makes-man#76929621
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:26pm On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
So what, if man is trinity, huh?

Why dont you speak for yourself and those manufacturing three gods in the name of doctrine, huh?

The below link might help make you change the way in which you've regarded me about man.
https://www.nairaland.com/5094410/what-makes-man#76929621
Trinity is NEVER three Gods in ONE!

Hear o Israel, the LORD your God is ONE God

Any one whose doctrine of trinity is different from this is preaching a wrong doctrine.

GOD is the FATHER
GOD is the WORD
GOD is the SPIRIT
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 1:36pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:
Trinity is NEVER three Gods in ONE!
Can you please give me moniker names of who has said Trinity is three Gods in ONE?

shadeyinka:
Hear o Israel, the LORD your God is ONE God
Any one whose doctrine of trinity is different from this is preaching a wrong doctrine.
If you know this, then what is your gripe?

shadeyinka:
GOD is the FATHER
GOD is the WORD
GOD is the SPIRIT
I thought I warned you against throwing in red herring huh?
What pointless exercise are you trying to achieve with this remark, huh? You wouldnt like yourself, if I should tackle you on this comment
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 2:10pm On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Can you please give me moniker names of who has said Trinity is three Gods in ONE?

If you know this, then what is your gripe?

Any one whose doctrine of trinity is different from this is preaching a wrong doctrine.

I thought I warned you against throwing in red herring huh?
What pointless exercise are you trying to achieve with this remark, huh? You wouldnt like yourself, if I should tackle you on this comment
So, if I may ask, what's your view?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 2:17pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:
So, if I may ask, what's your view?
Next time, look properly before you leap, instead of just now asking what my view is. I gave you a link to go through from which you can gather what my view might be from, didnt I? Or is it a case of you didnt have the decency and courtesy to go through it? All because you are spoiling for a rough tumble huh?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 3:04pm On Mar 24, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Next time, look properly before you leap, instead of just now asking what my view is. I gave you a link to go through from which you can gather what my view might be from, didnt I? Or is it a case of you didnt have the decency and courtesy to go through it? All because you are spoiling for a rough tumble huh?
I believe any two Christian should be able to discuss with civility differences in their understanding of the Logos!
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 3:12pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:
I believe any two Christian should be able to discuss with civility differences in their understanding of the Logos!
What of the belief in reading the link I gave you?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 3:13pm On Mar 24, 2019
LoJ:

Are you saying that Adam is also God?

To answer this your question, do you know a believer becomes Christ immediately he becomes born again? Bible says as believer we are in Christ and Christ is in us, that makes us one with Christ but anytime we rejects Christ we seize from being Christ in that it can be said we have fallen from glory. So with this I can tell you that Adam was God too until he fell from Glory and he lost it
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 3:16pm On Mar 24, 2019
LoJ:

I don't understand this. Is it like Schizophrenia?
Re-read my post again you will understand with the illustration of husband and wife being one despite the fact they are two people and Christ and you a believer being one despite the fact they are different people, I think this illustrations should answer this your question
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 4:03pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:

I think you are mixing it up.

The closest illustration of the Trinity of God is the trinity of man.

Just as a man is:
Spirit
Soul
Body
And the three are not different personalities but existence in different dimensions, so
God is a Trinity of:
The Father (who wills and decides)
The Word (who speak everything into being)
The Spirit (who accomplishes the word)


I can explain further if you have any questions

oga I think you need to go back and read my post again, I said physically they are not one, rather they are three, I will clarify this my statement with this. I hope you have heard where Jesus talked about him sitting at the right hand side of God? Going by what I said physically they are different persons that's why they could sit separately but going by what you said using man as an example they can't sit separately.
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 4:09pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:

Trinity is NEVER three Gods in ONE!

Hear o Israel, the LORD your God is ONE God

Any one whose doctrine of trinity is different from this is preaching a wrong doctrine.

GOD is the FATHER
GOD is the WORD
GOD is the SPIRIT
There is only one God and that is God the Father no body is arguing that, but God the father is in Jesus and by reason of being in Jesus makes Jesus God also and God the father is also in the holy spirit and by that reason holy spirit is God also. The way Christ in us makes us Christ too despite the fact we are who will are but because Christ is also in us makes us Christ too. Well this is too deep not everyone can understand it, you need more study and not just what they told you in Sunday school.
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 4:17pm On Mar 24, 2019
crunchyg:

There is only one God and that is God the Father no body is arguing that, but God the father is in Jesus and by reason of being in Jesus makes Jesus God also and God the father is also in the holy spirit and by that reason holy spirit is God also. The way Christ in us makes us Christ too despite the fact we are who will are but because Christ is also in us makes us Christ too. Well this is too deep not everyone can understand it, you need more study and not just what they told you in Sunday school.
Do you have any problems with these statements:
GOD is the FATHER
GOD is the WORD
GOD is the SPIRIT
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 4:29pm On Mar 24, 2019
Splinz:


Obviously, I don't agree. Not just for disagreeing sake but because even your Bible disagrees as well.

God is not 3in1, as coined by lustful pagans as the "Trinity". Biblically speaking, the Godhood is composed of two Beings called "God".

Firstly, let's establish that of a truth, the Godhood is made up of more than one Person before establishing the exact number that constitutes it:

"And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..." (Gen. 1:26). "God" in Old Testament Hebrew is Elohim, a collective noun that can be used in both singular and plural forms, such as with "sheep, deer, series, species" and other terms. It was Elohim who said, "Let US...". Note, the words "Us & Our" in this statement simply shows that at least two or more Persons were involved in the creation work.

But of course, we'll prove that they were not more than TWO. We've already proven that it is more than ONE. So let's see...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God" (John 1:1-2). Before we tie it together, let's quickly see who's this "Word":

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." (John 1:14). This speaks of non other than the One we know today as Jesus Christ.

When tied together, we see that even before the settings of Genesis 1:1, TWO Beings existed, One called the "Word" and the other "God". Interestingly, both of them are GOD: One God--one divine family, or kingdom--comprised of TWO individual Members.

Furthermore, think of their relationship as the sign on U.S. President Donald Trump's desk: "The buck stops here". The Other--the Word (logos in Greek)--represented God, serving as divine "Spokesman" for God's kingdom, following, supporting and carrying out God's commands. One led; the other followed His lead. Yet they were both equally God, in character and power. Their relationship simply reflected an ideal government in action.

In conclusion, having gone all the way to the beginning to see how it all started, and indeed we've seen that there's no mentioned of a supposed "third person" like: "In the beginning was the Word, the Holy Spirit, and God. And the Word and the Holy Spirit was with God", we must summarily conclude that this so-called third person is simply an invention by enemies of the truth.

God is not a Trinity!


So what can you say about the holy spirit here in Genesis 1:2 that said the earth was without form and empty and darkness covered the deep waters . An the holy spirit of was hovering over the surface of the water?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by crunchyg: 4:32pm On Mar 24, 2019
shadeyinka:

Do you have any problems with these statements:
GOD is the FATHER
GOD is the WORD
GOD is the SPIRIT
You do you believe that God the father is sitting on a separate throne and God the son is sitting on a separate throne at the right hand of God the father ?
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 6:48pm On Mar 24, 2019
crunchyg:

You do you believe that God the father is sitting on a separate throne and God the son is sitting on a separate throne at the right hand of God the father ?
And where is the Holy Spirit?

The Father, the Word and the Spirit are the three IDENTITIES of GOD
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by Splinz(m): 6:54pm On Mar 24, 2019
crunchyg:

So what can you say about the holy spirit here in Genesis 1:2 that said the earth was without form and empty and darkness covered the deep waters . An the holy spirit of was hovering over the surface of the water?

"God is a Spirit..." (John 4:24). Here lies crucial understanding.

It's very simple to understand IF only you'll take it at face value. A Spirit is who God is--a totality of Him. He is not different--separated--detached from His Spirit, neither is His Spirit an independent supposed third Person of what is obviously ONE and the SAME.

Furthermore, the Bible talked of "a spirit in man" (Job 32:8 ). Now, since the flesh profits nothing, we must agree that it's the spirit in man that is the totality of man and not his physical being as flesh. Here's something to ponder on: Can you exist independent of your spirit? Are you 2in1?

So what you seek in Genesis 1:2 is this: Whenever you see "God" and the "Holy Spirit" in your Bible, make no mistake of thinking that the latter is the supposed "Third Person" of the former; but know that they're ONE and the SAME.

Mathematically, think of it as 0+0 or 0x0. It adds nothing and multiplies none.

Thank you.
Re: My Discovery About Trinity by TVSA: 7:07pm On Mar 24, 2019
Splinz:


"God is a Spirit..." (John 4:24). Here lies crucial understanding.

It's very simple to understand IF only you'll take it at face value. A Spirit is who God is--a totality of Him. He is not different--separated--detached from His Spirit, neither is His Spirit an independent supposed third Person of what is obviously ONE and the SAME.

Furthermore, the Bible talked of "a spirit in man" (Job 32:8 ). Now, since the flesh profits nothing, we must agree that it's the spirit in man that is the totality of man and not his physical being as flesh. Here's something to ponder on: Can you exist independent of your spirit? Are you 2in1?

So what you seek in Genesis 1:2 is this: Whenever you see "God" and the "Holy Spirit" in your Bible, make no mistake of thinking that the latter is the supposed "Third Person" of the former; but know that they're ONE and the SAME.

Mathematically, think of it as 0+0 or 0x0. It adds nothing and multiplies none.

Thank you.

So, how do you explain these?

John 15:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

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