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|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by wirinet(m): 5:12pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Amujale:Revising and rewriting history.
Imhotep was not black, and he was not even close to the most celebrated academic of all time. He is no where near Sir Isaac Newton in terms of academic achievements or Leonardo da Vinci. The only thing I learn of imhotep was that he designed the pyramids of Giza. You should know that pyramids had been built far before imhotep. Every learned person must learn the works of Newton and Da Vinci.
Being a political activist does not confer greatness on a person. He only become a cult figure to his followers. On that criteria, Vladimir Lenin or Gandhi would be far greater than all the political activists you listed.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by wirinet(m): 5:19pm On Apr 26, 2019|
princfred:Why not explain this government backed monopoly that no other business man was able to participate in.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 5:22pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Obviously, Imhotep is black and is an African. See the images and re evaluate.
You are definately ignorant of the genius of Imhotep
Like my previous post clearly states, Imhotep is not only one of the most influencial black men to have lived, he is arguably the most influencial academic anywhere in the world; period.
Imhotep is the most learned and influential mathematician, physician, engineer, philiosopher, chemist, astronomer e.t.c
These are pure facts.
Without Imhotep and the other KM.Tic priests, the entire world of today wouldnt have been able to make great advancements in the Arts, Commerce or Sciences.
"Imhotep, a gifted mathematician, credited as the authority that identified and held onto all the major fundamentals of modern day mathematics"
Source: A History Of Mathematics by Uta C. Merzbach and Carl B.Boyer. Forward by Isaac Asimov. Its important to note that Asimov is famous author of I-Robot Series in science related literature.
Furthermore, all the celebrated academics of today, say with their own mouths and write-ups.
That is how we know the truth.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by XhosaNostra(f): 5:23pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Well, good that we all have opinions then.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 5:28pm On Apr 26, 2019|
I strongly disagree.
With respect to the African cause, being a political activist is definately the best way to correct the wrongs of the world; and is right up there with the best of humanity.
I wouldnt even dare bat an eyelash if an activist is named the most influential black man to have ever lived.
P/s Ghandhi was a biggot towards Africans. He was Great for India.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by JaceBlaze: 5:46pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Johncables402:Might as well ask why didn't Mandela turn our water to wine since he was an equivalence of Jesus Christ...according to your pathetic and shallow thought process that is.And the taking of land by force worked pretty well in Zimbabwe,that's why today their economy is so flourishing,their currency is the most powerful in Africa that they are not scattered around the world like scavengers because the land worked so well for them,right? .You wanted Mandela to leave the banks into the hands of blacks at that time while they were still recovering from the useless education forced on them by apartheid? Did you even stop for a second and think before putting up this long wall of nothingness?
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by chiefobdk(m): 5:56pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Re u not black?
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by uchenageme(m): 6:09pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Jesus Christ. And yes he was Black
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by wirinet(m): 6:15pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Exactly what I was saying. A political activist is a cult figure among his followers, but might be hated by antagonists. Like the saying goes "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist "
To some Ndubisi Kanu is the greatest man alive, to some it is Awolowo, to others it is El Zakzaky.
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|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 6:17pm On Apr 26, 2019|
So, why are we saying the west overhyped him for us?
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 6:18pm On Apr 26, 2019|
I have to say, i agree with the spirit of your post here. But i come from the most political activist are freedom fighters stand point. Although i get your point loud and clear now.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 6:23pm On Apr 26, 2019|
You are a tragically misinformed. Truly sad.
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|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Wisekid0001(m): 6:24pm On Apr 26, 2019|
The list should be in this order
Martin Luther king
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by dochenaj: 6:50pm On Apr 26, 2019|
gidgiddy:If he won that war, it might as well have been. But he lost, because of his inflated ego.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Johncables402: 7:01pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Nothingness?. You also didn't have great teachers , but he went around the continent and the world to recruit them . You didn't have a lot of doctors but he invited many , so what could have been different in nationalizing key economic factors like mines and banks and hire people from around the world to run them while you learn the ropes ?. Aren't you managing your hospitals and schools now ? . Are you saying there were no blacks who had schooled in universities inside SA and outside who could have been shown the way ?. The Zim situation was not caused by lack of skills but by the sanctions . Do you know why there were sanctioned?. Because the blacks there were so sick of waiting for land reforms and being bullied by white farmers and went on a rampage killing wnites and grabbing the lands by force . Are you not witnessing the genesis in of this in SA ? Is this not the reason your government is now doing what they should have done back then?. Are farm murders and land grabs not an every day thing over there ?. Mandela should have done the land reform back then , now it is going to be difficult to pull and if your current president doesn't do it the blacks will do what the zim blacks did and go on a rampage . Mandela failed in this regard. The whites are used to owning it all now , do you think they will want to share now ? We have seen them going to trump to ask him for assistance to keep y'all enslaved for eternity , so much for equality , unity and the rainbow nation. It seems the rainbow nation is only possible when the whites master over the blacks , but when white dominance is questioned and challenged , it is called reverse apartheid . The storm is coming . No one has ever gained their freedom by begging the oppressor to free them , you will soon realise this.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Johncables402: 7:09pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Zimbabwe was crippled more by the sanctions than anything , so it is a bad example. And remember, the sanctions came about because the people became tired of being played and went on a rampage . Mandela had others to negotiate with but he arrogantly went on his own and came out with nothing but more poverty for his people. What is the use of having productive land that is a net exporter but the people living in that land are hungry and helpless? .
Why are you bringing in tribalism to a perfectly intellectual debate ?. .
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Macelliot(m): 7:15pm On Apr 26, 2019|
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by uchenageme(m): 7:22pm On Apr 26, 2019|
I actually have a theory on Imhotep, he is revered like a god in ancient Egypt even though he was not a king. I think he is one of the creators of man, or a half man and half god and he was one of the ones left behind to teach the Egyptians the ways of the gods (science and mathematics). My reference is from "Genesis revisited" by Zachariah Stichen. Please take time to read this book if you are a seeker of knowledge and truth.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by TheIkoro(m): 7:48pm On Apr 26, 2019|
After how many years in prison? I'll advise you to spend in prison just half the number of years he spent in prison, before you repeat this judgment.
A lot of you people either have faulty memories or faulty reasoning faculties. Thus, the lunacy that has so many of you condemn those of the men that lived their lives on earth building Houses to The Glory of GOD - condemnation that turns deaf ears and blind eyes to the abuse each had to endure, as he did so.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by wirinet(m): 7:53pm On Apr 26, 2019|
And you think if the Mandela government forcefully seize white own lands, the West would not sanctions black South Africans .
Mandela did not negotiate alone, he had other high ranking ANC officials with him.
The people were living in poverty because the people were uneducated and unskilled. Even if the lands were given to the Blacks, they would not be able to farm the land commercially.
His people were already in poverty. He needed to create the conditions to empower the blacks educationally, economically and even psychologically. Healing decades of oppression and exploitation takes time, even black Americans have still not fully recovered from the effects of slavery.
Sorry for sounding tribal, but I am the least tribal person you will discuss with. It's my style, I use the brutal truth to elicit emotions and thus deeper reflections. My manager (is employed) is an ardent IPOB supporter. I also tell him my bitter truth igbos and IPOB. We argue and disagree, but slowly he sees my point of view.
The south east people are more emotional and calculative, Once an igbo man is offended he is ready to fight and curse without looking whether he can beat the person or not. Meanwhile, the Yoruba people are exactly the opposite. A Yoruba would never go into a fight he does not see a good chance of winning, some people mistake that for cowardice. Also Yorubas hardly show their true emotions. The fact that a Yoruba man prostrate for you and call you "oko Iya mi " (my mother's husband ) does not necessarily mean he like you. Yorubas are highly diplomatic.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by JaceBlaze: 8:06pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Johncables402:So you are aware of the consequences of taking land by force (as you have just pointed to the Zimbabwe situation) yet you want us to use their formula? and btw,the zim situation is not just sanctions but also the fact that they were inexperienced and still proceeded to think with their asses and made impulsive decisions,look how that turned out.It boggles the mind that most Africans that criticise everything we do still flood to our shores for a better living that they couldn't get in their respective failed countries,which just goes to show that the smart-asses aren't smart after all .To be "enslaved for eternity" as you put it,is better than to be literally auctioned as a slave with a chain around my neck in Libya as we have seen with your fellow Nigerians being stripped off their humanity in the most inhumane way in front of the whole world to see.
What we do with the land in question is entirely the business of South Africans and ONLY WE will choose how to go about that,the tribal divisions in your country and the senseless Kaduna killings should be your main concern.Venting your spleen on SA won't change your situation.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by RedboneSmith(m): 8:07pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Imhotep was more than a pyramid builder. He was a polymath. His contribution to the field of medicine, for example, was also immense. Some scholars now argue that he deserves the title of Father of Medicine more than Hippocrates.
Was he black? I don't know. I have always been skeptical about describing ancient Egyptians as black people. Sure, there were black people in Ancient Egypt even among the elite. But by and large, I believe ancient Egyptians were (as they often depicted themselves) a people of color, but not necessarily blacks or Negroes.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:08pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Even though i share and appreciate much of your sentiments regards Imhotep, the above doesnt read too well.
Imhotep predates the christian bible and all other Western philosophies.
Western religions lie about almost everything.
Imhotep and the bible have nothinh in common.
Imhotep is a genuine, real person that history record existed, whilst the bible talks about ficticious characters e.g Moses, Jesus e.t.c
If Moses really existed, Imhotep and the other African scientist would have definately made a record of his life; but they didnt, and so that is the simple proof that he is a made-up character; never really existed.
The author of the christian bible are criminals are guilty of a huge amount of criminality.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by JaceBlaze: 8:09pm On Apr 26, 2019|
wirinet:Good to see a Nairalander that thinks rationally.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by orisa37: 8:11pm On Apr 26, 2019|
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|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 8:12pm On Apr 26, 2019|
I'm familiar with Stichen's work. You are indeed right that there could well be some extraterrestrial input into early Egyptian civilization. But I'm a tad suspicious of western attempts to paint ancient African achievements as those of aliens. The theories and evidence advanced by Stichen and others like Graham Hancock are persuasive in many instances, but I still caution a degree of reservation regarding the level of influence such alien beings had on our early African civilization.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Youngsage: 8:14pm On Apr 26, 2019|
Exactly my point.
Even my dad knows who Muhammed Ali is, but he has zero idea who or what Tupac means.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by uchenageme(m): 8:16pm On Apr 26, 2019|
I did not make any references to the Bible. The book I referenced is a research work by the author and not anything related to the Bible. You seem very judgemental.
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|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Johncables402: 8:17pm On Apr 26, 2019|
So you are with me in saying the blacks there are screwed forever ?. Mandela missed the chance when the whole thing was still fresh ; give blacks a fair share of the land or put all of it under the state and make the whites workers not owners , just like they did in state owned companies like Sasol and the airline . Now that the blacks are skilled do you see those white devils sharing the goods ? Those entitled mofos would never do unless they are forced to , and when they get forced sanctions will still come , but if they don't force them then the generations of young educated blacks with commercial farming skills will still be farm workers like their ancestors . I don't see the whole thing working out because the younger blacks are agitating for land grabs and if care is not taken another zim will happen. Farm murders are already sky rocketing . There is no man that can watch generations of his children feeling like guests in his own home , it's only a matter of time before the Mandela mistakes haunt that country .
I thought you were not tribalistic , yet you decided to go on and generalise Igbos while conveniently painting Yorubas as some intellectuals lol. You are getting pathetic .
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:17pm On Apr 26, 2019|
I know and agree that its laughable to claim that all African ancestry are from outer-space.
Most of our ancestors are human, they are genius.
The main reason the Arabs and the West created their manufactured religions was so as to try and stifle our creativity; to no avail.
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by prince3009(m): 8:23pm On Apr 26, 2019|
The exact words of an ignoramus who doesn't have an answer to a straight question!
|Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:24pm On Apr 26, 2019|
They depicted themselves as black Africans. All the accounts of the Greeks and Romans insist that their complexion is similar to other Africans.
"For all the writers who preceded the ludicrous and vicious falsifications of modern Egyptology, and the contemporaries of the ancient Egyptians (Herodotus, Aristotle, Diodorus, Strabo, and others), the Black identity of the Egyptian was an evident fact."
Herodotus states in a few passages that the Egyptians were black/dark.
According to most translations, Herodotus states that a Greek oracle was known to be from Egypt because she was "black", that the natives of the Nile region are "black with heat ", and that ancient Egyptians are "black skinned with woolly hair.
The people of the land of kemet are definitely African, a diverse community dominated by black Africans as rulers of almost all the major Dynasties.
There is no doubt in my mind that ancient Egyptians are black and African.
The present day Egyptians are part of a foreign war crusade that settle in the region of recent. They have zero relation to the people of kemet.
Egypt was the name the Europeans named the land when they took to desecration and plunder.
p/s the Egyptian wall painting depicts the mathematical activities involved in this process of assessing agricultural activities: the measuring of fields by “rope-stretchers,” determining the sizes of harvests, and computing taxes; is of Menna, built in the period 1420–1411 BCE in the Valley of the Kings is considered a mathematical treasure by M.A.A (Mathematical Association of America).
Frank Swetz, Mathematical Expeditions: Exploring Word Problems Across the Ages. Johns Hopkins Press, 2012.
Frank J. Swetz (The Pennsylvania State University), "Mathematical Treasure: Tomb of Menna," Convergence (April 2016)
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