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Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Infomaz(m): 6:03am On May 03, 2019
HOLY SPIRIT : QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - Part 2.

QUESTION 6. WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?


BACKGROUND
(Acts 2:1-13)

"1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."

From the above, we can extract the following "

1. The disciples were in one accord, studying, praying.

2. They were all Galilean speaking Jews.

3. People came from all over the world. Nigeria for example.

4. When the Holy Spirit descended on them, they started telling of God's wonderful works in the various earthly languages of those around

5. They were understood by those around who came from all over the world.

NOTE:

The purpose of the Holy Spirit in the day of Pentecost was to break the communication barrier by enabling the disciples to preach the gospel to those who came from afar, so that they can take the good news with them to their various places.

Recall that the Lord had earlier told them to "tarry" in Jerusalem until they receive power from the Holy Spirit, so that they can carry the good news starting from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the world.

Acts 1:8. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

The tongues (languages) spoken by the disciples were not ecstatic meaningless gibberish that characterize most speaking in 'tongues' today.

IT WAS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGES SO AS TO ENABLE THEM FULFILL THE COMMISSION TO PREACH THE MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD

Note also that other believers received the gift of speaking in tongues just as the disciples had.

Acts 10:44-47

"While Peter was speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.... Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE HAVE? "

Acts 11:15

" And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, AS ON US AT THE BEGINNING "

Acts 15:8

" And God, which knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as HE DID UNTO US"

* SO WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?

ANS: SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGE (S) WITHOUT HAVING TO LEARN IT

IT IS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE GOD'S WORDS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

A real life story I read of will suffice.

A preacher went to Spain for a crusade. He was the guest speaker and so needed an interpreter as he could only speak English. So whenever he says something, the interpreter will interpret... It got to a point when he said something, the interpreter said nothing, so he repeated himself thinking his partner did not hear him clearly. Again the interpreter kept quiet...

Then he asked the interpreter why he's not interpreting?. .. But the interpreter said but "Sir, you are speaking our language so there's no need."

In Paul's day, some believers were already abusing this gift, by breaking into tongues at meetings to the consternation of those who could not understand. So Paul advised

"If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let HIM KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH, and let him speak to himself and to God. " - Acts 14:27-28
Verse 33 says for " God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.. "

QUESTION: So where did the popular modern day speaking in tongues come from?

ANS:

IT IS ROOTED IN PAGAN INCANTATIONS AND IS A COUNTERFEIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GIFT OF TONGUES

Rev 16:13-14

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

The ecstatic, meaningless gibberish that is popularly but erroneously called speaking in tongues today is symbolically likened to unclean spirit from FROG who catch their prey with their TONGUES!

IT IS PART OF THE PLOY TO UNITE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY WITH PAGANISM, OTHER WORLD RELIGION AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLES ... AGAINST GOD AND HIS CHILDREN.

QUESTION 7 CAN SOMEONE BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES?

ANS: Yes! Example - JESUS CHRIST

1 Cor 12:8-10

The Holy Spirit distributes gifts to believers as He deems fit. Some are given the gift of wisdom, others healing, prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc.

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

1 Cor 12:29

"Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

The answer of course is NO.

QUESTION 8.HOW CAN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT?

ANS.
1. When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
2. When you feel godly sorrow for the sin you commits, repent and forsake them by God's grace
3. When spiritual things interests and gives you joy... Bible study, prayers, fasting, fellowship, witnessing, when you hunger and thirst after righteousness.

4. When the law of God no longer seem "burdensome" but a delight, pleasure and joy to you.

5. When you find yourself manifesting the fruit of the Holy Spirit habitually

6. When the kingdom of God and His righteousness becomes your topmost priority

7. When you find yourself devoting more and more of your time, talents, treasures or resources towards advancing the work of God.

8. When your love for Jesus gets deeper and deeper

9. When you like to share the gospel with as many as possible.

Etc.

God Bless You All.

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by emmanuelpopson(m): 7:01am On May 03, 2019
Infomaz:
HOLY SPIRIT : QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - Part 2.

QUESTION 6. WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?


BACKGROUND
(Acts 2:1-13)

"1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."

From the above, we can extract the following "

1. The disciples were in one accord, studying, praying.

2. They were all Galilean speaking Jews.

3. People came from all over the world. Nigeria for example.

4. When the Holy Spirit descended on them, they started telling of God's wonderful works in the various earthly languages of those around

5. They were understood by those around who came from all over the world.

NOTE:

The purpose of the Holy Spirit in the day of Pentecost was to break the communication barrier by enabling the disciples to preach the gospel to those who came from afar, so that they can take the good news with them to their various places.

Recall that the Lord had earlier told them to "tarry" in Jerusalem until they receive power from the Holy Spirit, so that they can carry the good news starting from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the world.

Acts 1:8. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

The tongues (languages) spoken by the disciples were not ecstatic meaningless gibberish that characterize most speaking in 'tongues' today.

IT WAS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGES SO AS TO ENABLE THEM FULFILL THE COMMISSION TO PREACH THE MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD

Note also that other believers received the gift of speaking in tongues just as the disciples had.

Acts 10:44-47

"While Peter was speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.... Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE HAVE? "

Acts 11:15

" And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, AS ON US AT THE BEGINNING "

Acts 15:8

" And God, which knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as HE DID UNTO US"

* SO WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?

ANS: SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGE (S) WITHOUT HAVING TO LEARN IT

IT IS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE GOD'S WORDS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

A real life story I read of will suffice.

A preacher went to Spain for a crusade. He was the guest speaker and so needed an interpreter as he could only speak English. So whenever he says something, the interpreter will interpret... It got to a point when he said something, the interpreter said nothing, so he repeated himself thinking his partner did not hear him clearly. Again the interpreter kept quiet...

Then he asked the interpreter why he's not interpreting?. .. But the interpreter said but "Sir, you are speaking our language so there's no need."

In Paul's day, some believers were already abusing this gift, by breaking into tongues at meetings to the consternation of those who could not understand. So Paul advised

"If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let HIM KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH, and let him speak to himself and to God. " - Acts 14:27-28
Verse 33 says for " God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.. "

QUESTION: So where did the popular modern day speaking in tongues come from?

ANS:

IT IS ROOTED IN PAGAN INCANTATIONS AND IS A COUNTERFEIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GIFT OF TONGUES

Rev 16:13-14

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

The ecstatic, meaningless gibberish that is popularly but erroneously called speaking in tongues today is symbolically likened to unclean spirit from FROG who catch their prey with their TONGUES!

IT IS PART OF THE PLOY TO UNITE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY WITH PAGANISM, OTHER WORLD RELIGION AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLES ... AGAINST GOD AND HIS CHILDREN.

QUESTION 7 CAN SOMEONE BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES?

ANS: Yes! Example - JESUS CHRIST

1 Cor 12:8-10

The Holy Spirit distributes gifts to believers as He deems fit. Some are given the gift of wisdom, others healing, prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc.

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

1 Cor 12:29

"Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

The answer of course is NO.

QUESTION 8.HOW CAN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT?

ANS.
1. When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
2. When you feel godly sorrow for the sin you commits, repent and forsake them by God's grace
3. When spiritual things interests and gives you joy... Bible study, prayers, fasting, fellowship, witnessing, when you hunger and thirst after righteousness.

4. When the law of God no longer seem "burdensome" but a delight, pleasure and joy to you.

5. When you find yourself manifesting the fruit of the Holy Spirit habitually

6. When the kingdom of God and His righteousness becomes your topmost priority

7. When you find yourself devoting more and more of your time, talents, treasures or resources towards advancing the work of God.

8. When your love for Jesus gets deeper and deeper

9. When you like to share the gospel with as many as possible.

Etc.

God Bless You All.


God bless you OP... it's a sign of the end...so many fake pastors coming out due to the unemployment around us... also the gullibility of the followers from studying the Bible themselves...we have bastardized the Christianity passed onto us by the apostles and commercialise it for what we will eat, drink and wear... we just have to pray for discernment of the spirit to know who is who among this pastors... shalom

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Eviana(f): 1:39pm On May 16, 2020
Sir, don't know u from Adam...was just searching for a few controversial yet crucial doctrine that has Christiandom dangerously confused. I was looking for biblically sound, rigtfully interpreted scripture & by God's grace, I have found it.
So as I go through some of your threads, I would like to silently 'quote' them...which means I am in agreement. So don't get alarmed or think I am a stalker. I just know that we are living in crucial times, and the truth must be given..regardless.
Those who will be stirred up enough to humbly & dilligently SEARCH the scriptures for truth (in many areas) WILL find it.

Infomaz:
HOLY SPIRIT : QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - Part 2.

QUESTION 6. WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?


BACKGROUND
(Acts 2:1-13)

"1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."

From the above, we can extract the following "

1. The disciples were in one accord, studying, praying.

2. They were all Galilean speaking Jews.

3. People came from all over the world. Nigeria for example.

4. When the Holy Spirit descended on them, they started telling of God's wonderful works in the various earthly languages of those around

5. They were understood by those around who came from all over the world.

NOTE:

The purpose of the Holy Spirit in the day of Pentecost was to break the communication barrier by enabling the disciples to preach the gospel to those who came from afar, so that they can take the good news with them to their various places.

Recall that the Lord had earlier told them to "tarry" in Jerusalem until they receive power from the Holy Spirit, so that they can carry the good news starting from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the world.

Acts 1:8. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

The tongues (languages) spoken by the disciples were not ecstatic meaningless gibberish that characterize most speaking in 'tongues' today.

IT WAS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGES SO AS TO ENABLE THEM FULFILL THE COMMISSION TO PREACH THE MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD

Note also that other believers received the gift of speaking in tongues just as the disciples had.

Acts 10:44-47

"While Peter was speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.... Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE HAVE? "

Acts 11:15

" And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, AS ON US AT THE BEGINNING "

Acts 15:8

" And God, which knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as HE DID UNTO US"

* SO WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?

ANS: SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGE (S) WITHOUT HAVING TO LEARN IT

IT IS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE GOD'S WORDS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

A real life story I read of will suffice.

A preacher went to Spain for a crusade. He was the guest speaker and so needed an interpreter as he could only speak English. So whenever he says something, the interpreter will interpret... It got to a point when he said something, the interpreter said nothing, so he repeated himself thinking his partner did not hear him clearly. Again the interpreter kept quiet...

Then he asked the interpreter why he's not interpreting?. .. But the interpreter said but "Sir, you are speaking our language so there's no need."

In Paul's day, some believers were already abusing this gift, by breaking into tongues at meetings to the consternation of those who could not understand. So Paul advised

"If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let HIM KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH, and let him speak to himself and to God. " - Acts 14:27-28
Verse 33 says for " God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.. "

QUESTION: So where did the popular modern day speaking in tongues come from?

ANS:

IT IS ROOTED IN PAGAN INCANTATIONS AND IS A COUNTERFEIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GIFT OF TONGUES

Rev 16:13-14

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

The ecstatic, meaningless gibberish that is popularly but erroneously called speaking in tongues today is symbolically likened to unclean spirit from FROG who catch their prey with their TONGUES!

IT IS PART OF THE PLOY TO UNITE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY WITH PAGANISM, OTHER WORLD RELIGION AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLES ... AGAINST GOD AND HIS CHILDREN.

QUESTION 7 CAN SOMEONE BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES?

ANS: Yes! Example - JESUS CHRIST

1 Cor 12:8-10

The Holy Spirit distributes gifts to believers as He deems fit. Some are given the gift of wisdom, others healing, prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc.

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

1 Cor 12:29

"Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

The answer of course is NO.

QUESTION 8.HOW CAN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT?

ANS.
1. When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
2. When you feel godly sorrow for the sin you commits, repent and forsake them by God's grace
3. When spiritual things interests and gives you joy... Bible study, prayers, fasting, fellowship, witnessing, when you hunger and thirst after righteousness.

4. When the law of God no longer seem "burdensome" but a delight, pleasure and joy to you.

5. When you find yourself manifesting the fruit of the Holy Spirit habitually

6. When the kingdom of God and His righteousness becomes your topmost priority

7. When you find yourself devoting more and more of your time, talents, treasures or resources towards advancing the work of God.

8. When your love for Jesus gets deeper and deeper

9. When you like to share the gospel with as many as possible.

Etc.

God Bless You All.

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 6:02pm On May 16, 2020
Infomaz:

IT IS ROOTED IN PAGAN INCANTATIONS AND IS A COUNTERFEIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GIFT OF TONGUES
Rev 16:13-14
"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

The ecstatic, meaningless gibberish that is popularly but erroneously called speaking in tongues today is symbolically likened to unclean spirit from FROG who catch their prey with their TONGUES!
Ok. Unclean spirit from Frogs? @OP, did you put the unclean spirit inside of a frog them? Remember that God created frogs too, and He did declare them good when He was done.
According to the Bible, God Himself engineered the speaking in "gibberish" tongues all for those who would not obey Him. So, why drag frogs into this?
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 6:38pm On May 16, 2020
Infomaz:

"If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let HIM KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH, and let him speak to himself and to God. " - Acts 14:27-28
Verse 33 says for " God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.. "

Wrong !!

You’re mixing two different things together . Praying to God in tongues is different from speaking to men in tongues . That’s just the code . If you examine your study from this perspective you will see the missing link .

QUESTION: So where did the popular modern day speaking in tongues come from?

ANS:

IT IS ROOTED IN PAGAN INCANTATIONS AND IS A COUNTERFEIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GIFT OF TONGUES

Wrong !!
There’s tongues of men which is earthly language and there’s tongues of angels which you may call gibberish

1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels. . . .


Rev 16:13-14
"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

The ecstatic, meaningless gibberish that is popularly but erroneously called speaking in tongues today is symbolically likened to unclean spirit from FROG who catch their prey with their TONGUES!

Wrong!!! The incidence you’re quoting is a futuristic , apocalyptic prophecy which will take place during the tribulation after the church would have been raptured . This would be Spirit’s that will be released on the earth that time .
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 6:49pm On May 16, 2020
petra1:

Wrong !!
You’re mixing two different things together . Praying to God in tongues is different from speaking to men in tongues . That’s just the code . If you examine your study from this perspective you will see the missing link .
I don't believe that to be the case. For you see, speaking in tongues is simply speaking in a language that you were not previously trained in. So, in your speaking this foreign tongue, praying to God in it, is similar to speaking to other men in said tongue. No special code involved.
petra1:

Wrong !!
There’s tongues of men which is earthly language and there’s tongues of angels which you may call gibberish \
1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels. . . .

Have you ever heard the tongues of angels? I can tell you that it does not sound like gibberish to the one who speaks it and to the one hearing it. It is not glossolalia.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 8:03pm On May 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:

I don't believe that to be the case. For you see, speaking in tongues is simply speaking in a language that you were not previously trained in. So, in your speaking this foreign tongue, praying to God in it, is similar to speaking to other men in said tongue.

If you look at Paul’s writing from the perspective I was taking about . It will decode the passage .

No special code involved.

There are codes in interpreting of scriptures

Have you ever heard the tongues of angels?

let’s not get personal but if you ask me I will answer Yes , I speak it

I can tell you that it does not sound like gibberish to the one who speaks it and to the one hearing it

It is gibberish , Especially to human carnal mind . It doesn’t make human sense .

1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Isaiah 28:11
For with stammering lips and another tongue
will he speak to this people.


It is not glossolalia.

What do you mean by “it is not Glossolalia?
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Smony: 9:24pm On May 16, 2020
I have nt hearth a sound teaching lyk this for a long tym, am really bless. may God increase you IJN

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 9:56pm On May 16, 2020
petra1:

If you look at Paul’s writing from the perspective I was taking about . It will decode the passage .
There are codes in interpreting of scriptures
let’s not get personal but if you ask me I will answer Yes , I speak it
As far as Bible verses are concerned, there is no "decoding" necessary because the truth contained is presented to us in plain text. Any attempts to insert any new meaning into what is written results in the creation of a lie... nullifying the real meaning contained.
petra1:

It is gibberish , Especially to human carnal mind . It doesn’t make human sense .
"Tongues" there refers to language in it's completeness, like any other than you know of . The language of men, and the language of angels do not sound like gibberish to anyone who has been exposed to language on this planet. One may not understand the language being spoken but one recognizes it as language nonetheless.
The tongue spoken by those still cursed by God however is gibberish as God, and it is nothing but a repeating of meaningless syllables and sounds. That is why the other attributed it to paganism
petra1:

1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
Isaiah 28:11
For with stammering lips and another tongue
will he speak to this people.

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What do you mean by “it is not Glossolalia?
Glossolalia aka speaking in gibberish refers to the more coming attempts at speaking in tongues that are practiced by those who are cursed. Your included reference of Isaiah 28 vs 9-13 explains it's origin. Please try reading with the Easy-to-Read version of the bible to get you a better idea of what is being said(no decoding necessary).

Glossolalia consists of strings of syllables, made up of sounds taken from all those that the speaker knows, put together more or less haphazardly but emerging nevertheless as word-like and sentence-like units because of realistic, language-like rhythm and melody
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by philipstanley(m): 10:09pm On May 16, 2020
...Too long!
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 12:44am On May 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:

As far as Bible verses are concerned, there is no "decoding" necessary because the truth contained is presented to us in plain text. Any attempts to insert any new meaning into what is written results in the creation of a lie... nullifying the real meaning contained.

Ok Maybe the use of code and decoding is too high let me apply the use of the word “principles of interpretation”

"Tongues" there refers to language in it's completeness,

Then why would there be the need the Gift of the Holy Spirit to interpret. A translator would have been needed rather without Holy Spirit . The incident on the day of Pentecost didn’t require a gift of interpretation

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 12:51am On May 17, 2020
petra1:

Ok Maybe the use of code and decoding is too high let me apply the use of the word “principles of interpretation”
"principles of interpretation"? You mean language interpretation?
petra1:

Then why would there be the need the Gift of the Holy Spirit to interpret. A translator would have been needed rather without Holy Spirit . The incident on the day of Pentecost didn’t require a gift of interpretation
A tongue is a language (full blown). The gift of interpretation to allow what is said in one language to be interpreted to another for those who do not speak the foreign language of the tongue. Translation is used mainly for written text while interpretation is applied in the case of spoken words.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 1:14am On May 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:

"principles of interpretation"? You mean language interpretation?

No I mean principles of understanding a bible verse

A tongue is a language (full blown). The gift of interpretation to allow what is said in one language to be interpreted to another for those who do not speak the foreign language of the tongue. Translation is used mainly for written text while interpretation is applied in the case of spoken words.

Let me make it simpler . To understand that passage let’s look at certain things . God is all knowing , if I’m praying to God in tongues why would I need to interprete to God ?
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 1:24am On May 17, 2020
petra1:

No I mean principles of understanding a bible verse
There are no principles to understanding that which is written in the Bible. The same way you would read any other book to understand it, is precisely the same way to approach reaching the Bible.

petra1:

Let me make it simpler . To understand that passage let’s look at certain things . God is all knowing , if I’m praying to God in tongues why would I need to interprete to God ?
So, you are praying to God in a language you do not yourself understand, so how do you truly know that you are praying? How do you know what you are praying for? How do you even know the meaning of each and every word out of your mouth? To answer any, and all of these questions, you can do either of two things.
a) Ask God to stop speaking the tongue so you can pray to him in the language you know or b) You ask God to bless you with interpretation so you can understand every word that is spoken in this strange language by you.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 2:25am On May 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:
There are no principles to understanding that which is written in the Bible. The same way you would read any other book to understand it, is precisely the same way to approach reaching the Bible.
Okay let’s leave that for now


So, you are praying to God in a language you do not yourself understand, so how do you truly know that you are praying? How do you know what you are praying for? How do you even know the meaning of each and every word out of your mouth? To answer any, and all of these questions, you can do either of two things.
a) Ask God to stop speaking the tongue so you can pray to him in the language you know or b)

Actually I thought I was talking with the OP. He has said something about you must interpret when you speak in toungues

You ask God to bless you with interpretation so you can understand every word that is spoken in this strange language by you.

To understand that passage you have to see certain things .

There’s difference between praying to God in tongue and speaking to men in tongues . So there are times Paul talks about speaking with tongues to men . Which is prophecy and it requires interpretation but individuals praying to God is different . God doesn’t need interpretation . I thought I was talking with the OP . And 3 things I want him to observed in that Corinthians passage about tongues :

1. Praying to God individually no interpretation

2. Speaking in toungues to men interpretation needed

3. Praying to God corporately on behalf of others require interpretation

When we observe each verse from this Perspective it will be clear .

But I would like to ask you about Romans 28

Romans 8:26-27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 2:43am On May 17, 2020
petra1:

There’s difference between praying to God in tongue and speaking to men in tongues . So there are times Paul talks about speaking with tongues to men . Which is prophecy and it requires interpretation but individuals praying to God is different . God doesn’t need interpretation . I thought I was talking with the OP . And 3 things I want him to observed in that Corinthians passage about tongues :
1. Praying to God individually no interpretation
2. Speaking in toungues to men interpretation needed
3. Praying to God corporately on behalf of others require interpretation
When we observe each verse from this Perspective it will be clear .
If and when you pray to God in tongues, yet you have no understanding of that which you pray for, how are you can you be certain that you are praying to God, and maybe not contemplating or thinking out loud? grin
Interpretation was never for God's benefit, but for our benefit, and the benefit of those listening. Even Paul spoke on this and suggested those who speak in tongues ought to ask for interpretation so the spirit and mind are both engaged even as we speak/pray in tongues.
petra1:

But I would like to ask you about Romans 28
Romans 8:26-27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The key is in the portion which is in bold. When speaking in tongues, you utter words that can be interpreted, either by you or the hearer. But the verse there clearly states that the intercession the spirit does on our behalf is not UTTERED (not spoken words-- more sounds than words, or even silence). So it is nothing to do with speaking in tongues. And when he does it, obviously the one the Spirit speaks to is God and so there is no need for words - hence no tongue.
He that searcheth the hearts? That would be God(Jeremiah 17), is able to understand the spirit, even when words are not used.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Archtype(m): 3:44am On May 17, 2020
I agree with you on this 100%, this has been my argument, sometimes I wonder if it is the same Bible that I read that those people who speaks those gibberish and babbling are reading and they will always find a way to confuse you and tell you that you don't understand the things of the spirit. The truth is that most of them never read the Bible with an open mind letting go of all the foundational teachings of their Pastor and allow the Holy Spirit to take over, they only understand the Bible in the light of the wrong teachings that they have collected before while growing up
Infomaz:
HOLY SPIRIT : QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - Part 2.

QUESTION 6. WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?


BACKGROUND
(Acts 2:1-13)

"1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."

From the above, we can extract the following "

1. The disciples were in one accord, studying, praying.

2. They were all Galilean speaking Jews.

3. People came from all over the world. Nigeria for example.

4. When the Holy Spirit descended on them, they started telling of God's wonderful works in the various earthly languages of those around

5. They were understood by those around who came from all over the world.

NOTE:

The purpose of the Holy Spirit in the day of Pentecost was to break the communication barrier by enabling the disciples to preach the gospel to those who came from afar, so that they can take the good news with them to their various places.

Recall that the Lord had earlier told them to "tarry" in Jerusalem until they receive power from the Holy Spirit, so that they can carry the good news starting from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the world.

Acts 1:8. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

The tongues (languages) spoken by the disciples were not ecstatic meaningless gibberish that characterize most speaking in 'tongues' today.

IT WAS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGES SO AS TO ENABLE THEM FULFILL THE COMMISSION TO PREACH THE MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD

Note also that other believers received the gift of speaking in tongues just as the disciples had.

Acts 10:44-47

"While Peter was speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.... Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE HAVE? "

Acts 11:15

" And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, AS ON US AT THE BEGINNING "

Acts 15:8

" And God, which knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as HE DID UNTO US"

* SO WHAT EXACTLY IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?

ANS: SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGE (S) WITHOUT HAVING TO LEARN IT

IT IS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE GOD'S WORDS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

A real life story I read of will suffice.

A preacher went to Spain for a crusade. He was the guest speaker and so needed an interpreter as he could only speak English. So whenever he says something, the interpreter will interpret... It got to a point when he said something, the interpreter said nothing, so he repeated himself thinking his partner did not hear him clearly. Again the interpreter kept quiet...

Then he asked the interpreter why he's not interpreting?. .. But the interpreter said but "Sir, you are speaking our language so there's no need."

In Paul's day, some believers were already abusing this gift, by breaking into tongues at meetings to the consternation of those who could not understand. So Paul advised

"If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let HIM KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH, and let him speak to himself and to God. " - Acts 14:27-28
Verse 33 says for " God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.. "

QUESTION: So where did the popular modern day speaking in tongues come from?

ANS:

IT IS ROOTED IN PAGAN INCANTATIONS AND IS A COUNTERFEIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GIFT OF TONGUES

Rev 16:13-14

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

The ecstatic, meaningless gibberish that is popularly but erroneously called speaking in tongues today is symbolically likened to unclean spirit from FROG who catch their prey with their TONGUES!

IT IS PART OF THE PLOY TO UNITE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY WITH PAGANISM, OTHER WORLD RELIGION AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLES ... AGAINST GOD AND HIS CHILDREN.

QUESTION 7 CAN SOMEONE BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES?

ANS: Yes! Example - JESUS CHRIST

1 Cor 12:8-10

The Holy Spirit distributes gifts to believers as He deems fit. Some are given the gift of wisdom, others healing, prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc.

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

1 Cor 12:29

"Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

The answer of course is NO.

QUESTION 8.HOW CAN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT?

ANS.
1. When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
2. When you feel godly sorrow for the sin you commits, repent and forsake them by God's grace
3. When spiritual things interests and gives you joy... Bible study, prayers, fasting, fellowship, witnessing, when you hunger and thirst after righteousness.

4. When the law of God no longer seem "burdensome" but a delight, pleasure and joy to you.

5. When you find yourself manifesting the fruit of the Holy Spirit habitually

6. When the kingdom of God and His righteousness becomes your topmost priority

7. When you find yourself devoting more and more of your time, talents, treasures or resources towards advancing the work of God.

8. When your love for Jesus gets deeper and deeper

9. When you like to share the gospel with as many as possible.

Etc.

God Bless You All.

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Tajbol4splend(m): 6:15am On May 17, 2020
Speaking in tongues is sakamanje, baba fraud

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 6:54am On May 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:

If and when you pray to God in tongues, yet you have no understanding of that which you pray for, how are you can you be certain that you are praying to God, and maybe not contemplating or thinking out loud? grin

The scripture I quoted in Romans has all the answers . When you pray in tongues . It is the Holy Spirit that does the praying through you . Because our understanding is limited . So when you ray about a Matter in the common language the prayer is not 100% perfect because of mans limited understanding . God can only grant prayer that is consistent with his will .

1 John 5:14
. . if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:


It’s only the holy spirit that knows the will of God 100 %.

So when we pray in the spirit about a matter .

Maybe I have a journey before me and I’m praying to God the success . But God doesn’t even want me to go because someone important will come today and if I travel I will miss the opportunity . Now If I pray in tongues about the journey . The Holy Spirit will pray the mind of God to manifest . I may just lost the interest to travel , vehicle delay etc May just happen and I am in sync with Gods will.

Romans 8:26-27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


Interpretation was never for God's benefit, but for our benefit, and the benefit of those listening. . .

I said earlier this part was not meant for you but the OP

Now concerning the gibberish Firstly there are different levels of praying in tongues from experience for those who do pray in tongues. It’s not about the sound but the source of inspiration within It’s not earthly language.

There maybe some repetitiveness rababa... etc. like a stammer

Isaiah 28:11
For with stammering lips and another tongue
will he speak to this people.


The stammering lips is the inspired heavenly tongue Or tongue of angels while the anotherTongue Is tongue of men or human language

1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men [/b]and of [b]angels . .
.

Sometimes while praying in tongues alone . It get to a point of not being able to utter words again especially during intercession for a person . You just find yourself groaning . But the Holy Spirit is using the groaning to pray the will of God , now I will ask is groaning an earthly language ? Yet in the realm of the spirit it has a meaning how much more words that are called gibberish . You se it’s not the sound that is the issue but the inspiration behind it . Jesus groaned at the grave of Lazarus in intercession and he said to God “you have heard me .

Some times someone just burst out laughing uncontrollably or find him self singing “gibberish song “

1 Corinthians 14:15
. . .I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Janosky: 8:23am On May 17, 2020
** According to Informaz........

IT IS THE AUTOMATIC ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE GOD'S WORDS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

A real life story I read of will suffice.

A preacher went to Spain for a crusade. He was the guest speaker and so needed an interpreter as he could only speak English. So whenever he says something, the interpreter will interpret... It got to a point when he said something, the interpreter said nothing, so he repeated himself thinking his partner did not hear him clearly. Again the interpreter kept quiet...

Then he asked the interpreter why he's not interpreting?. .. But the interpreter said but "Sir, you are speaking our language so there's no need."


The BOLDED above is mere Fabrication. Na Big LIE..
In the holy book of Acts of the Apostles , through the power of the holy spirit, Jesus followers understood the words they spoke when they spoke in tongues.
They NEVER needed interpreters to translate what they preached to the people.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 2:18pm On May 17, 2020
petra1:

Maybe I have a journey before me and I’m praying to God the success . But God doesn’t even want me to go because someone important will come today and if I travel I will miss the opportunity . Now If I pray in tongues about the journey . The Holy Spirit will pray the mind of God to manifest . I may just lost the interest to travel , vehicle delay etc May just happen and I am in sync with Gods will.

Romans 8:26-27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Look again!
Romans 8 mentions nothing of the act of speaking in tongues. It does not refer to it because language is used for use to communicate. However, the Spirit of God himself DOES NOT require language in communicating His Mind with God. That is why Paul tells you that the intercession the Spirit does on our behalf is with unuttered groanings(NO WORDS hence no language)

Romans 8 vs 26-30 from ERV
26 Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words.
27 God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

28 We know that in everything God works for the good of those who love him. These are the people God chose, because that was his plan.
29 God knew them before he made the world. And he decided that they would be like his Son. Then Jesus would be the firstborn of many brothers and sisters.
30 God planned for them to be like his Son. He chose them and made them right with him. And after he made them right, he gave them his glory.

In Romans 8, Paul speaks of what we need to know of the SPirit of God, not our individual spirits; and certainly not about the gifts that the spirit bestows on those He lives on the inside of. Let us, in our haste to find truth, becareful not to read our own desires into what is written.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 7:51pm On May 17, 2020
emmanuelpopson:

God bless you OP... it's a sign of the end...so many fake pastors coming out due to the unemployment around us...
The end of days began when Jesus died so this topic has nothing to do with end of days.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by petra1(m): 8:39pm On May 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:

Look again!
Romans 8 mentions nothing of the act of speaking in tongues. It does not refer to it because language is used for use to communicate. However, the Spirit of God himself DOES NOT require language in communicating His Mind with God. That is why Paul tells you that the intercession the Spirit does on our behalf is with unuttered groanings(NO WORDS hence no language)

Beautiful that’s my point , the groaning is another level of praying in the spirit . Praying with deep sigh . It’s beyond words , most spirit filled intercessors do experience it. There are also times you wake up in the middle of the night and a string burden for prayer comes on you and you don’t know what it’s about you find yourself praying in the spirit in tongues or groaning or crying but it’s not deliberate it’s the way the spirit expresses himself at such times but don’t miss the point , if groaning like someone in pain has meaning to God . What you call gibberish has meaning to God . It’s same principle




In Romans 8, Paul speaks of what we need to know of the SPirit of God, not our individual spirits; and certainly not about the gifts that the spirit bestows on those He lives on the inside of. Let us, in our haste to find truth, becareful not to read our own desires into what is written. [/quote]
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 9:20pm On May 17, 2020
petra1:

Beautiful that’s my point , the groaning is another level of praying in the spirit . Praying with deep sigh . It’s beyond words , most spirit filled intercessors do experience it. There are also times you wake up in the middle of the night and a string burden for prayer comes on you and you don’t know what it’s about you find yourself praying in the spirit in tongues or groaning or crying but it’s not deliberate it’s the way the spirit expresses himself at such times but don’t miss the point , if groaning like someone in pain has meaning to God . What you call gibberish has meaning to God . It’s same principle
Not the same principle. And please, we are so not saying the same things at all. You are still saying something completely different from what I have said, even about Romans 8.

I suggest you go back and reread those verses I posted again to better understand what is going on here.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kayouzka(m): 9:34pm On May 17, 2020
It is indeed possible to speak in other tongues (language) only when you are filled with it spirit but saying jarguns consciously is out of it.

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Kobojunkie: 6:30am On May 18, 2020
Kayouzka:
It is indeed possible to speak in other tongues (language) only when you are filled with it spirit but saying jarguns consciously is out of it.
I believe the default mode for all those who do not have the Holy Spirit is speaking in gibberish, according to the Bible.
....I remember once back in college, was very skeptical about the existence of God, but I let some ladies lead me anyways into unleashing it ... from the inside of my person. It didn't feel right but I continue to "speak in tongues" with them during their morning prayer meeting for that week, until the next week, thankfully, I got a new distraction and I stopped it entirely.
Like I said, it did not feel right and I was puzzled as to why the same sounds and syllables were all I could repeat over and over .... reminded me of juju incantations said over and over again. I wondered why anyone would even believe such meant God was there.

I am glad I did not settle for that then, and I am glad I know better now.

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Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Infomaz(m): 10:07am On Nov 05, 2020
Kobojunkie:

I believe the default mode for all those who do not have the Holy Spirit is speaking in gibberish, according to the Bible.
....I remember once back in college, was very skeptical about the existence of God, but I let some ladies lead me anyways into unleashing it ... from the inside of my person. It didn't feel right but I continue to "speak in tongues" with them during their morning prayer meeting for that week, until the next week, thankfully, I got a new distraction and I stopped it entirely.
Like I said, it did not feel right and I was puzzled as to why the same sounds and syllables were all I could repeat over and over .... reminded me of juju incantations said over and over again. I wondered why anyone would even believe such meant God was there.

I am glad I did not settle for that then, and I am glad I know better now.

Glad that in your sincerity, you didn't continue to deceive yourself and others.
Re: Exposed!!! The Genuine Vs Counterfeit Speaking In Tongues by Infomaz(m): 10:14am On Nov 05, 2020
The topic is straight forward, easy to understand and clear by God's grace. The vain repetitious gibberish that goes on under the guise of speaking in tongues is unbiblical.

Apologies for not responding to the comments .. This is an old post n I only just revisited it today.

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