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|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by mployer(m): 3:58am On May 12|
Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.
Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. God didn't start his process, people of Israel did. The true call of God was not on him. The personality and character of God was not revealed to him.
The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things He suffered(Hebrews 5:8 ). Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it. He didn't suffer anything, so he didn't learn anything.
Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.
It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!
Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.
Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by jesusjnr(m): 4:11am On May 12|
mployer:1 Samuel 13:13-14 (KJV)
And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever.
Let me leave you with the reason that Samuel gave Saul that proved the gift and callings of God are not without repentance, which is very clear and easy to understand for anyone who wants to understand it.
But you can keep trying to explain something that is already self explanatory, and hence needs no further explanation, for at least you can't deny the fact that it clearly proved that your saying otherwise.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by pressplay411(m): 4:30am On May 12|
King Saul was a Jew, he was raised to obey and keep the law. However truly he wasn't God's plan for Israel but the people's will. God never wanted them to have a king who will become like a god to them like the heathen do. God simply wanted to be their God, no distractions.
Saying God never anointed him is also incorrect.
So Samuel said, “When you were little in your own eyes, were you not head of the tribes of Israel? And did not the Lord anoint you king over Israel? 1 Samuel 15:17
God checks the state of the heart of a man before using him. And all God needs to see is Humility.
This is what Samuel meant by "little in your own eyes."
Humility is so crucial to God because it is what makes one Meek, Repentant, Obedient and Dependent on God.
The Great Apostle Paul used to be Saul.
His name was changed to Paul as a testimony of access to God's Grace.
Paul in Latin means "Humble or Small."
Truly, God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.
King Saul would have been forgiven had he humbled himself and truly repented. That's the difference between him and King David.
But Pride/Ego/Self makes one seek the praise of men instead of obedience to God. It makes one covet the blessing (in his case, the throne) over the Blesser.
The throne was also a training ground for him, as it was even for David.
I'm not here to argue scriptures or prove I know anything.
This post was created out of a necessity. The burden of watching a generation so detached from God's heart is too heavy to bear.
If God's intent for Grace is what we have made out of it, should Paul have bothered suffering all he suffered for the Faith? Should he not just live a vain and selfish life of immorality like Grace abusers do?
If God's intent for Grace is what we have made it, suffer me this, why are the most corrupt/sinful people in the world Christians? Because of our erroneous understanding and application of Grace.
Grace is not a downgrade for sinfulness but an enablement for upgrade to an upward call of Christ-likeness.
If you don't share this burden, you should question your understanding of God's Will and His Kingdom.
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|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by alBHAGDADI: 6:49am On May 12|
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|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Profmaojo: 7:21am On May 12|
Yinyeon:Good morning sir/ma, do you mean that you can be far room God and still attain eternal life?? Because the opposite of eternal damnation is eternal life. When one sin, you have to ask God for forgiveness but saying since you have been saved you are always save and can continue doing what you want is absurd
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 7:40am On May 12|
Profmaojo:You are misunderstanding her.
She never condoned sin
She says "if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of sin if you do, you are never born again in the first place".
Let me ask you a direct question:
When does a Christian loose his salvation?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by ichuka(m): 8:12am On May 12|
New International Version
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
How can a glorified sons/daughter losses there salvation?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by interleukin(f): 10:33am On May 12|
God bless you my dear. I read the caption and I said to myself, what an ignorant post. Reading the entire thing sef tire me.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Agrogbeide: 10:36am On May 12|
Once saved is forever saved!!!
If you believe failure in your works will take you to hell that's very fine, but me and my cohorts who only depend on the Holy Spirit to guard us by His faith in us and not by our so called "good works" we shall be eternally saved.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by carlede: 10:40am On May 12|
I'm your cohort, abeg!! I lie on his finished works! What do I know,
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by livebullet(m): 10:42am On May 12|
So what are you saying... That once you become a christian by faith.... You can continue sinning and wont loose grace?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by livebullet(m): 10:45am On May 12|
Answer: known to God best, however sin does diminishes our relationship with God and enhances it with the devil. Thereby we of our own free will to sin, drift away from his grace.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by interleukin(f): 10:46am On May 12|
pressplay411:I want to give you a big hug for this. I couldn't have said it better.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by logon599: 10:47am On May 12|
I think pressplay411 needs to read and digest John 3:16 again. Believing on Jesus gives us EVERLASTING life. Without revelation, common English tells us that something everlasting means it will last forever. This is the message some self righteous folks didn't want us to see cos they felt it was too good to be true- well, that is actually the direct greek translation of the word GOSPEL- It means too good to be true a news- and that's why many people can't accept it because it doesn't make sense to the rational mind.
See Hebrews 9:12 in NLT: Once for all time he took blood into that Most Holy Place, but not the blood of goats and calves. He took his own blood, and with it he secured our salvation forever.
Saying that the blood of Jesus is not enough to secure eternal salvation is simply equating it to the blood of bulls and goats.
Let me categorically say this: The ONLY way you lose your salvation is the same way you received it: by believing. So until you get to the place where you stop believing on the Lord Jesus in your heartand even speak it with your mouth that He no longer raised from the dead, until then.
So let's be guided what we read and share online
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by 2point5: 10:50am On May 12|
First and foremost, no where in the Bible is it mentioned that those your examples were christians saved and marked with the holyspirit. How did you come about your conclusion?
Secondly, you need to be careful, because you may just get to heaven and find King Saul and Judas Iscariot.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by interleukin(f): 10:56am On May 12|
alBHAGDADI:God bless you for this detailed explanation. We have being disconnected from the truth for so long that we it's heard now, it sounds like a lie and even blasphemous. We have institutionalized lies and false doctrines, it a pity.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Ajixegun: 11:00am On May 12|
Everybody seems to be quoting the scripture, is just another word they heard. Save us, Lord by your mercy.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by djoguns: 11:00am On May 12|
If Christ cannot save forever then His sacrifice is not different from old testament bulls and goats. Heb 10:4; 'For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.' The issue was not the sins of the people but with the weakness and impotent nature of the sacrifices! If blood of bulls and goats fail, the blood of Christ will not. He is able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through him for he ever liveth to make intercession for them (Heb 7:25). In the old testament the sacrifices are dead but in the New Testament, Christ our sacrifice is alive forevermore and is in the presence of God for us. The sacrifice that saved us is potent and alive, the man Christ Jesus!
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by urchcoded(m): 11:06am On May 12|
He is a new creature. Meaning has Never existed b4. Think about it
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by dpumppy(m): 11:08am On May 12|
I'm really surprised to see a comment like this. Gold, silver or previous stones for who ? How can you build a physical place for a sprit to deal ?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by dpumppy(m): 11:08am On May 12|
I'm really surprised to see a comment like this. Gold, silver or previous stones for who ? How can you build a physical place for a sprit to dwell ?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Operandee: 11:08am On May 12|
Wow but look at your examples sir... they don’t quite support your theory as you there was no “salvation” in the Old Testament. Ananias and Saphira is the only situation in the New Testament where God directly punished anyone saved with the Old Testament style.... Have you asked yourself why?
quote author=pressplay411 post=78308932]"Once saved, forever safe."
This is unscriptural.
Beware of Tares, false prophets and Grace abusers.
This has made Christians remain comfortable as lone-rangers, bench-warmers, onlookers, babes in the Faith and rebellious believers. Christians have become comfortable in sin and have become the ones establishing corruption and the kingdom of unrighteousness even worse than unbelievers.
Notable believers who lost their salvation;
King Saul in the Old Testament.
Judas Iscariot right under Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Himself.
Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament struck dead by the Holy Spirit Himself.
We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are to guard our salvation with all diligence.
Christ never said we're saved for ever just for believing in him, for demons do too but are not saved. He said, if we love him, we should keep his commands. He said, if judgement comes, will He find Faith? He said people will stray away from the Faith, unbelief will spread even among believers who will fall for false prophets.
Even Apostle Paul never said Grace saves anyone for ever because even He said He was fighting the good fight of Faith, to take hold of eternal life.
The precious blood of Jesus saves all who believe in Christ from being unbelievers and from living a disconnected life from God. Truly Christ refers to unbelievers as the dead, because to be carnal is death.- 1st stage of Salvation.
Discipleship; Learning of Christ. Obedience and Faith in the Words of Christ keeps us Saved. We start growing in the Likeness of Christ, bearing His Fruit and His Nature. We start doing greater works like Christ did winning souls, healing the sick, casting out demons, finding our place in ministry and establishing God's Kingdom on earth etc- 2nd Stage of Salvation.
When we die or are raptured, would it meet us still faithful and doing the works of Christ, keeping our Faith even in the face of Death?- Final stage of Salvation.[/quote]
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by An2elect2(f): 11:09am On May 12|
Yinyeon:First reformed female i'm seeing on nairaland. This is beautiful. Good to see the Lord already at work in you Onyinye!
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by salt1: 11:10am On May 12|
These eternal security people and their false hopes!
So Saul who prophesied never knew God! So those that committed suicide like Saul and Judas Iscariot are in heaven?
I would have refrained from contributing, but I might help some confused Christians.
Whether New or Old Testament, the Bible is one. No Scripture is of private interpretation.
The righteous can't claim righteousness when he sins. There are no sinning Christians. If you commit sin, you become a child of the devil and must ask God to forgive you again before you become His child again.
Please Christians, eternity is at stake. Read the Bible, not just interpretations of the Bible given by your pastor. We already have the syllabus which will be used in examining us, so we don't have excuse.
Run away from any preaching that condones or minimizes the awfulness of sin.
There's no religion in heaven: only righteous people
1 Timothy 4:16 KJV
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by mayorhy: 11:14am On May 12|
First of all king saul and Judas were not believers. Christianity aka eternal life came by the death and resurrection of christ. A believer is therefore someone who believes in the death resurrection and saviorship of Christ. Saul was a part of the old convenant. Judas was in the old convenant as he fell off before even the beginning of the new convenant .The death of Christ is the beginning of the new convenant.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Operandee: 11:15am On May 12|
2 Cor 5:19 God is no longer counting men’s sins against them. Check out 1John 1:2 for if we win we have an advocate in the father... the propitiation for the sins of the World
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by An2elect2(f): 11:18am On May 12|
shadeyinka:If you use a rag to scrub dirt for years. When the rag gets worn and torn, which would you throw into the bin your hand or the rag?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Truthsbitter: 11:20am On May 12|
That statement is based on faith and by faith it stands.
Romans 6:18 KJV
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
By the righteousness that comes through faith , we become slaves to righteousness. it is no longer by our doing ....the law brings death while faith brings life.
Romans 7:9-11 KJV
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.  And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.  For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me .
what the law is not able to do because it was weakened by the works of the flesh, faith in the son of God and the righteousness that comes through that faith by the holy spirit of God is able to defeat same.
Romans 8:1-4 KJV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by xtgozie(m): 11:48am On May 12|
Christ, however, offered one sacrifice for sins, an offering that is effective forever, and then he sat down at the right side of God. 13 There he now waits until God puts his enemies as a footstool under his feet. 14 With one sacrifice, then, he has made perfect forever those who are purified from sin.
15 And the Holy Spirit also gives us his witness. First he says,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
in the days to come, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts
and write them on their minds.”
17 And then he says, “I will not remember their sins and evil deeds any longer.” 18 So when these have been forgiven, an offering to take away sins is no longer needed.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Fran6ik: 11:49am On May 12|
Permit me to tell you that with this, JESUS said in MATT 25:31-46 You HAVE NO PLACE IN HIS KINGDOM.
He will Judge you with what he said, NEVER has he changed it.
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|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Fran6ik: 11:51am On May 12|
This is what you get when you pastor teaches your more of Pauls theology without him even understanding it himself. My brother, SIN HOLDS, that is why you have a WILL, read the Gospels of Jesus
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