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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by mployer(m): 3:58am On May 12
jesusjnr:
There's absolutely nothing to explain for Saul would have remained king of Israel if he had obeyed God as Samuel had said, or do you still doubt this, or feel that Samuel didn't know what he was talking about when he said that?

And your opinion that David's case was treated differently or that David was favored etc., is a common one no doubt among those of the church, but this was what God Himself said concerning David and why He established his kingdom even the Truth:

1 Kings 3:14 (KJV)

14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.

So the reason that God established David's kingdom was because he had done what Saul hadn't done which is to be obedient to God.

Yeah I know David made a mistake or two, but that was the exception for God doesn't judge a man by the exception of his life but the rule, and the rule for Saul was disobedience, hence his rejection by God.

So the gifts and callings of God are truly with repentance but you can choose to believe what you want.

Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.

Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. God didn't start his process, people of Israel did. The true call of God was not on him. The personality and character of God was not revealed to him.

The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things He suffered(Hebrews 5:8 ). Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it. He didn't suffer anything, so he didn't learn anything.

Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.

It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!

Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.

Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by jesusjnr(m): 4:11am On May 12
mployer:


Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.

Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. All these is because the true call of God was not on him.

The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things he suffered. Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it.

Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.

It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!

Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.

Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.




1 Samuel 13:13-14 (KJV)

And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever.

Let me leave you with the reason that Samuel gave Saul that proved the gift and callings of God are not without repentance, which is very clear and easy to understand for anyone who wants to understand it.

But you can keep trying to explain something that is already self explanatory, and hence needs no further explanation, for at least you can't deny the fact that it clearly proved that your saying otherwise.

Peace.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by pressplay411(m): 4:30am On May 12
mployer:


Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.

Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. All these is because the true call of God was not on him. God didn't start his process, people of Israel did.

The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things he suffered(Hebrews 5:8 ). Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it. He didn't suffer anything, so he didn't learn anything.

Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.

It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!

Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.

Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.





King Saul was a Jew, he was raised to obey and keep the law. However truly he wasn't God's plan for Israel but the people's will. God never wanted them to have a king who will become like a god to them like the heathen do. God simply wanted to be their God, no distractions.
Saying God never anointed him is also incorrect.

So Samuel said, “When you were little in your own eyes, were you not head of the tribes of Israel? And did not the Lord anoint you king over Israel? 1 Samuel 15:17

God checks the state of the heart of a man before using him. And all God needs to see is Humility.
This is what Samuel meant by "little in your own eyes."
Humility is so crucial to God because it is what makes one Meek, Repentant, Obedient and Dependent on God.
The Great Apostle Paul used to be Saul.
His name was changed to Paul as a testimony of access to God's Grace.
Paul in Latin means "Humble or Small."
Truly, God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

King Saul would have been forgiven had he humbled himself and truly repented. That's the difference between him and King David.
But Pride/Ego/Self makes one seek the praise of men instead of obedience to God. It makes one covet the blessing (in his case, the throne) over the Blesser.
The throne was also a training ground for him, as it was even for David.

I'm not here to argue scriptures or prove I know anything.
This post was created out of a necessity. The burden of watching a generation so detached from God's heart is too heavy to bear.
If God's intent for Grace is what we have made out of it, should Paul have bothered suffering all he suffered for the Faith? Should he not just live a vain and selfish life of immorality like Grace abusers do?
If God's intent for Grace is what we have made it, suffer me this, why are the most corrupt/sinful people in the world Christians? Because of our erroneous understanding and application of Grace.

Grace is not a downgrade for sinfulness but an enablement for upgrade to an upward call of Christ-likeness.

If you don't share this burden, you should question your understanding of God's Will and His Kingdom.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by alBHAGDADI: 6:49am On May 12
Yinyeon:

Sure, I've done that.
Ok, will contact you
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Profmaojo: 7:21am On May 12
Yinyeon:


Very Correct, if ever one loves committing sin and is never bitten by it whenever he/she does so, it means the person was never saved to begin with, because the God who saved us is faithful and powerful enough to keep us.

It doesn't mean as Christian, we don't sin for we are in this evil flesh that strives to displease God hence, we have the Holy Spirit who is always in constant conflict with the flesh.
However, the sin of a Christian doesn't lead to eternal damnation just takes us farther way from God.
Good morning sir/ma, do you mean that you can be far room God and still attain eternal life?? Because the opposite of eternal damnation is eternal life. When one sin, you have to ask God for forgiveness but saying since you have been saved you are always save and can continue doing what you want is absurd

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 7:40am On May 12
Profmaojo:
Good morning sir/ma, do you mean that you can be far room God and still attain eternal life?? Because the opposite of eternal damnation is eternal life. When one sin, you have to ask God for forgiveness but saying since you have been saved you are always save and can continue doing what you want is absurd
You are misunderstanding her.
She never condoned sin

She says "if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of sin if you do, you are never born again in the first place".

Let me ask you a direct question:
When does a Christian loose his salvation?
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by ichuka(m): 8:12am On May 12
Roman8:30
New International Version
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
How can a glorified sons/daughter losses there salvation?
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by interleukin(f): 10:33am On May 12
shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?


God bless you my dear. I read the caption and I said to myself, what an ignorant post. Reading the entire thing sef tire me.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Agrogbeide: 10:36am On May 12
Once saved is forever saved!!!
If you believe failure in your works will take you to hell that's very fine, but me and my cohorts who only depend on the Holy Spirit to guard us by His faith in us and not by our so called "good works" we shall be eternally saved.
Thanks.
God bless.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by carlede: 10:40am On May 12
Agrogbeide:
Once saved is forever saved!!!
If you believe failure in your works will take you to hell that's very fine, but me and my cohorts who only depend on the Holy Spirit to guard us by His faith in us and not by our so called "good works" we shall be eternally saved.
Thanks.
God bless.

I'm your cohort, abeg!! I lie on his finished works! What do I know,

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by livebullet(m): 10:42am On May 12
shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?


So what are you saying... That once you become a christian by faith.... You can continue sinning and wont loose grace?
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by livebullet(m): 10:45am On May 12
shadeyinka:

You are misunderstanding her.
She never condoned sin

She says "if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of sin if you do, you are never born again in the first place".

Let me ask you a direct question:
When does a Christian loose his salvation?

Answer: known to God best, however sin does diminishes our relationship with God and enhances it with the devil. Thereby we of our own free will to sin, drift away from his grace.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by interleukin(f): 10:46am On May 12
pressplay411:


You forget that God still leaves everyone with Free Will.
The Blood of Christ is able to save you completely but do you still love sin, do you still love the world? You will choose that which you love more, Christ or the World.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
John 3:18-21

2.We are saved by Grace to do good works. Christ says that all over the scriptures even in his parting words to His disciples that we have greater works to do, that we should disciple nations! You clearly don't know the Power of the Holy Spirit in you. You think He's for healing your malaria and speaking in tongues only?
Hear what Apostles James says about Faith and Works. Even Paul says we have works to do in some of His epistles. You should be sensitive to the type of Gentiles Paul writes to lest you will never grow in Faith. Paul was addressing works of self righteousness such as circumcision.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:18-24
I want to give you a big hug for this. I couldn't have said it better.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by logon599: 10:47am On May 12
shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

I think pressplay411 needs to read and digest John 3:16 again. Believing on Jesus gives us EVERLASTING life. Without revelation, common English tells us that something everlasting means it will last forever. This is the message some self righteous folks didn't want us to see cos they felt it was too good to be true- well, that is actually the direct greek translation of the word GOSPEL- It means too good to be true a news- and that's why many people can't accept it because it doesn't make sense to the rational mind.

See Hebrews 9:12 in NLT: Once for all time he took blood into that Most Holy Place, but not the blood of goats and calves. He took his own blood, and with it he secured our salvation forever.


Saying that the blood of Jesus is not enough to secure eternal salvation is simply equating it to the blood of bulls and goats.

Let me categorically say this: The ONLY way you lose your salvation is the same way you received it: by believing. So until you get to the place where you stop believing on the Lord Jesus in your heartand even speak it with your mouth that He no longer raised from the dead, until then.

So let's be guided what we read and share online

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by 2point5: 10:50am On May 12
First and foremost, no where in the Bible is it mentioned that those your examples were christians saved and marked with the holyspirit. How did you come about your conclusion?

Secondly, you need to be careful, because you may just get to heaven and find King Saul and Judas Iscariot.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by interleukin(f): 10:56am On May 12
alBHAGDADI:

So much false doctrine in one post. The sad part is that the person disseminating the false doctrine is the one accusing others of doing such.

Now, let's examine your argument.

You have clearly stated nothing here. Can mention just one name of man alive today who is without sin?



Saul Lost his throne, not his salvation. If he had lost his salvation, David would have killed him when he had the chance several times. But because he knew he was still under God's anointing despite his sin, David spared.

1 Samuel 24:6 (KJV)
And he said unto his men, The L ORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the L ORD 's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the L ORD .

Judas was never saved because he never believed in Jesus from day one. Even Jesus said it.

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Jesus didn't say he became a devil. He simoly said he's a devil. Even the entire chapter showed Jesus talking about some of his followers who didn't believe in him and the one who should betray him.

John 6:64 (KJV)
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Annanuas and Saphira is not a case of lost salvation. It is a case of punishment for lying, same way we get punished for other things. Nowhere does the Bible say they lost their salvation.



Paul was not saying we should save ourselves. If we could save ourselves, why did Jesus die? Read the passage well.

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Simple, Paul was saying we should show the salvation God has put in us. It's the same as God giving us muscles. When we Gym aka work out, the muscles become pronounced such that people admire us and even start hitting the gym too. God has saved us and now wants us to work out that salvation so others too will by that come to him.

To show your flawed understanding, below is Paul clearly stating that salvation is not of WORKS but by Grace through faith in Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.



You just called God a liar, and I will prove it to you.

How dare you say Jesus never said we are saved forever? First and foremost, what does eternal life mean? It means life never ending. What did Jesus say will happen to those who believe in him?

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


As seen above, Jesus said if we believe in him, we will have eternal life. Even the book of John says those that believe have eternal life. It doesn't say we will get the eternal life after we die. It says we have it already and it's in our spirit.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Now, if believe leads to salvation which gives eternal life, how come you say eternal life can be lost? If it can be lost, then was it ever eternal or never ending?

You have called God a liar by saying he didn't give us eternal life through his Son Jesus. You have denied the record he gave of his son.

1 John 5:10-11
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Did you see the bolded part? It says God has given us eternal life for believing in his son. It means we can't lose it otherwise it will mean it was never eternal.



You are misquoting Paul. The Paul I know said it is Grace that saves not our works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.



You are simply saying the blood of Jesus is not enough to save man once and for all and that man has to contribute his own quota. Look at how you belittled the blood of Jesus.



@bold

It is the Grace of Jesus that keeps us saved, not our works of righteousness which God sees as filthy rags.

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.



I'll advice everyone reading this to please flee from Pentecostal Churches which are devil's houses. Flee from any church that preaches Works Based Salvation e.g RCCG, Winners, Deeper Life etc and go find a Once Saved Always Saved Church e.g Baptist. Do that now before it's too late.

Continuing in the believe that you can lose your salvation is the same as saying you are trying to save yourself. It simply means you are not trusting in Jesus, instead you are relying on your own works. It means you don't believe in Jesus but yourself. The people below did the works but Jesus saud he never knew them. Note, he didn't say he use to know them. He never knew them despite then doing wonderful works, because they didn't do his father's will.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Now what is the will of the Father Jesus said they didn't do?


John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Those people didn't do the above will because they were depending on their works to save them instead of simply believing in Jesus.
God bless you for this detailed explanation. We have being disconnected from the truth for so long that we it's heard now, it sounds like a lie and even blasphemous. We have institutionalized lies and false doctrines, it a pity.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Ajixegun: 11:00am On May 12
Everybody seems to be quoting the scripture, is just another word they heard. Save us, Lord by your mercy.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by djoguns: 11:00am On May 12
If Christ cannot save forever then His sacrifice is not different from old testament bulls and goats. Heb 10:4; 'For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.' The issue was not the sins of the people but with the weakness and impotent nature of the sacrifices! If blood of bulls and goats fail, the blood of Christ will not. He is able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through him for he ever liveth to make intercession for them (Heb 7:25). In the old testament the sacrifices are dead but in the New Testament, Christ our sacrifice is alive forevermore and is in the presence of God for us. The sacrifice that saved us is potent and alive, the man Christ Jesus!

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by urchcoded(m): 11:06am On May 12
shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.


All correct but even more looking at dat scripture
If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?


He is a new creature. Meaning has Never existed b4. Think about it
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by dpumppy(m): 11:08am On May 12
I'm really surprised to see a comment like this. Gold, silver or previous stones for who ? How can you build a physical place for a sprit to deal ?
shadeyinka:

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by dpumppy(m): 11:08am On May 12
I'm really surprised to see a comment like this. Gold, silver or previous stones for who ? How can you build a physical place for a sprit to dwell ?
shadeyinka:

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Operandee: 11:08am On May 12
Wow but look at your examples sir... they don’t quite support your theory as you there was no “salvation” in the Old Testament. Ananias and Saphira is the only situation in the New Testament where God directly punished anyone saved with the Old Testament style.... Have you asked yourself why?

quote author=pressplay411 post=78308932]"Once saved, forever safe."
This is unscriptural.
Beware of Tares, false prophets and Grace abusers.
This has made Christians remain comfortable as lone-rangers, bench-warmers, onlookers, babes in the Faith and rebellious believers. Christians have become comfortable in sin and have become the ones establishing corruption and the kingdom of unrighteousness even worse than unbelievers.

Notable believers who lost their salvation;
King Saul in the Old Testament.
Judas Iscariot right under Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Himself.
Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament struck dead by the Holy Spirit Himself.

We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are to guard our salvation with all diligence.

Christ never said we're saved for ever just for believing in him, for demons do too but are not saved. He said, if we love him, we should keep his commands. He said, if judgement comes, will He find Faith? He said people will stray away from the Faith, unbelief will spread even among believers who will fall for false prophets.
Even Apostle Paul never said Grace saves anyone for ever because even He said He was fighting the good fight of Faith, to take hold of eternal life.

The precious blood of Jesus saves all who believe in Christ from being unbelievers and from living a disconnected life from God. Truly Christ refers to unbelievers as the dead, because to be carnal is death.- 1st stage of Salvation.

Discipleship; Learning of Christ. Obedience and Faith in the Words of Christ keeps us Saved. We start growing in the Likeness of Christ, bearing His Fruit and His Nature. We start doing greater works like Christ did winning souls, healing the sick, casting out demons, finding our place in ministry and establishing God's Kingdom on earth etc- 2nd Stage of Salvation.

When we die or are raptured, would it meet us still faithful and doing the works of Christ, keeping our Faith even in the face of Death?- Final stage of Salvation.[/quote]
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by An2elect2(f): 11:09am On May 12
Yinyeon:


A gift we do not deserve and never will.

He bestows it to those he deems fit. He is not unjust. He chooses those to bestow mercy and those to give justice, that's what we all deserve.

Do you believe in Predestination
Those who were chosen to be saved are elected from the foundations of the world. The Elects
First reformed female i'm seeing on nairaland. This is beautiful. Good to see the Lord already at work in you Onyinye!
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by salt1: 11:10am On May 12
These eternal security people and their false hopes!
So Saul who prophesied never knew God! So those that committed suicide like Saul and Judas Iscariot are in heaven?

I would have refrained from contributing, but I might help some confused Christians.

Whether New or Old Testament, the Bible is one. No Scripture is of private interpretation.
The righteous can't claim righteousness when he sins. There are no sinning Christians. If you commit sin, you become a child of the devil and must ask God to forgive you again before you become His child again.

Please Christians, eternity is at stake. Read the Bible, not just interpretations of the Bible given by your pastor. We already have the syllabus which will be used in examining us, so we don't have excuse.
Run away from any preaching that condones or minimizes the awfulness of sin.
There's no religion in heaven: only righteous people

1 Timothy 4:16 KJV
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by mayorhy: 11:14am On May 12
First of all king saul and Judas were not believers. Christianity aka eternal life came by the death and resurrection of christ. A believer is therefore someone who believes in the death resurrection and saviorship of Christ. Saul was a part of the old convenant. Judas was in the old convenant as he fell off before even the beginning of the new convenant .The death of Christ is the beginning of the new convenant.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Operandee: 11:15am On May 12
2 Cor 5:19 God is no longer counting men’s sins against them. Check out 1John 1:2 for if we win we have an advocate in the father... the propitiation for the sins of the World
pressplay411:

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by An2elect2(f): 11:18am On May 12
shadeyinka:

1. I believe in God's foreknowledge of our actions on earth even before He created anything
2. I believe that based on Gods foreknowledge, He made provision (special grace) predestination for those He had foreknown
3. Gods predestination is NOT random else He would be unjust to condemn a person who had not yet commited sin/iniquity.

4. Apart from this aspect of predestination (which has to do with salvation) , I doubt if God predestined our lives else, we would not/can not be guilty of what we have been predestined to do.

No one ever blames a Lime/Lemon for being bitter.
But if an orange tree would produce bitter orange, we will cut it down

If you use a rag to scrub dirt for years. When the rag gets worn and torn, which would you throw into the bin your hand or the rag?
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Truthsbitter: 11:20am On May 12
That statement is based on faith and by faith it stands.

Romans 6:18 KJV
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

By the righteousness that comes through faith , we become slaves to righteousness. it is no longer by our doing ....the law brings death while faith brings life.
Romans 7:9-11 KJV
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. [10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me .

what the law is not able to do because it was weakened by the works of the flesh, faith in the son of God and the righteousness that comes through that faith by the holy spirit of God is able to defeat same.

Romans 8:1-4 KJV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. [3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by xtgozie(m): 11:48am On May 12
pressplay411:

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.



Hebrews 10:12-18

Christ, however, offered one sacrifice for sins, an offering that is effective forever, and then he sat down at the right side of God. 13 There he now waits until God puts his enemies as a footstool under his feet. 14 With one sacrifice, then, he has made perfect forever those who are purified from sin.

15 And the Holy Spirit also gives us his witness. First he says,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
in the days to come, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts
and write them on their minds.”

17 And then he says, “I will not remember their sins and evil deeds any longer.” 18 So when these have been forgiven, an offering to take away sins is no longer needed.
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Fran6ik: 11:49am On May 12
Agrogbeide:
Once saved is forever saved!!!
If you believe failure in your works will take you to hell that's very fine, but me and my cohorts who only depend on the Holy Spirit to guard us by His faith in us and not by our so called "good works" we shall be eternally saved.
Thanks.
God bless.

Permit me to tell you that with this, JESUS said in MATT 25:31-46 You HAVE NO PLACE IN HIS KINGDOM.

He will Judge you with what he said, NEVER has he changed it.

Thank you

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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Fran6ik: 11:51am On May 12
Operandee:


2 Cor 5:19 God is no longer counting men’s sins against them. Check out 1John 1:2 for if we win we have an advocate in the father... the propitiation for the sins of the World

This is what you get when you pastor teaches your more of Pauls theology without him even understanding it himself. My brother, SIN HOLDS, that is why you have a WILL, read the Gospels of Jesus

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