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|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Chylo(m): 9:24pm On May 12|
Bro, please can I ask you this?
"At what point is someone saved?"
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 9:52pm On May 12|
Chylo:A person is saved when he realises that he is a sinner going to help and trust God for attornment of His sins through Jesus Christ the Lamb of God by asking Him through Faith because he believes in God.
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation . For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by lasisison: 10:00pm On May 12|
If you are saved by Jesus, you will hate sin, run away from sin , flee from sin, live a holy life, pray to overcome temptations, then witness for Christ Jesus.
Remember to be obedient, and Love
The Lord Jesus said, unless you repent from your sin , you will perish . Luke 13:3
2 Timothy 2:19 .
Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
The Lord Jesus is coming to rapture the saints, He is coming for brides without spot, or wrinkles, without sin.
The road to heaven is very narrow, only few walk on that road.
God bless you
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by biggy26: 10:20pm On May 12|
sacx:If you are born again please what happened to you? If you are not, sorry for the comment.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Iroroghene: 10:28pm On May 12|
Apart from Baptist, which other Once Saved, Always Saved church can one attend?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by alBHAGDADI: 10:35pm On May 12|
Before you attend any church, always ask to know if it's Once Saved Always Saved. Flee if it's not. Flee from Pentecostal Churches.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Chylo(m): 10:38pm On May 12|
Ok, thanks for your detailed answer. The next question I have is this:
Are you saying that once someone has fulfilled this condition: "A person is saved when he realises that he is a sinner going to help and trust God for attornment of His sins through Jesus Christ the Lamb of God by asking Him through Faith because he believes in God.", then he is saved forever irrespective of what he does or does not do thereafter?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Chylo(m): 10:40pm On May 12|
What church do you attend, brother?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Chylo(m): 10:44pm On May 12|
Please what is your interpretation of this scripture:
Hebrews 6:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
What does the phrase "fall away" mean to you?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Iroroghene: 10:54pm On May 12|
I don't think it's easy to find these churches but if it's once saved, forever saved, that would mean I don't have to be going to church every Sunday, right?
Is it still compulsory to go to church when one is already saved?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by ichuka(m): 11:11pm On May 12|
Some have said that Romans 8:29-30 is the only chain in the entire Bible.It is a chain of different rings linked together.This is a most precious and complete chain.The first ring of this chain is God's foreknowledge of man. The second ring is our predestination to be conformed to the image of His Son.The third ring is the calling of those who have been predestinated.The fourth ring is the justification of those who have been called.The fifth ring is the glorification of those who have been justified.It is a series of rings linked to one another. We think that we first knew God when we were saved and justified.But the Bible says that before we were saved and justified, God knew us already. Those whom God knew long ago, He marked out. To be marked out means to have a check mark put by our name, indicating that He has claimed us for Himself.For what purpose were we marked out? It is so that we would be like His unique Son, Jesus Christ. He not only wants one Son, Jesus Christ; He came to mark us out so that we would be identical to His Son.Those who were marked out are called. The ones who are called are known by Him. He called the ones whom He knew and marked out. After He called them,He justified them.
If justification is the first step in a Christian's relationship with God, it does not matter much for us not to be justified again in the future. If I pick up two coins today and throw them into the fire tomorrow, it does not matter much to me. Not to be justified is, of course, a loss on man's part. But God suffers no loss. However, we have to know that the history of our relationship with God does not start from justification and salvation. Rather, it starts from God's foreknowledge. God's foreknowledge is the beginning of everything. To be marked out is the second step. To be called is the third step. Only after the third step do we have justification. If we were to lose our justification and become sinners again, we would put a question mark on God's omniscience. Since God foreknew us and marked us out, how can we still perish after we are saved? A person predestinated by God can never be thrown into hell and burned like a piece of wood.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by ojhandsome(m): 11:43pm On May 12|
firstly no one has his or her own interpretation of the bible always allow the bible to explain itself ,,,to understand or correctly interpret the bible u must read the pretext n post text i will advice u start from the beginning of Hebrews... the book of Hebrews was written to the Jews as the name implies not to say we cant apply it today to us as Christians... so if you are reading Hebrews try to put yourself in the shoes of a jew because you and i are gentiles with this understanding the above verses u quoted was referring to the Israelite ie their fore fathers in the time of Moses how after experiencing the power of GOD they still refuse to believe start.... reading from chapter 3 down to chapter 6,,,,when u get to chapter 6 read dwn to verse 9Heb 6:9 do not allow chapters n verses confuse u the bible did not originally come wt chapters n verses it was added along the line to make reading easier
verse 9 says But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
after the writer has spoken about the isrealites in the wilderness he comes bk to u and i wich is what vs 9 is saying u are not like dem that saw the glory of GOD but hardened their hearts
salvation is a gift righteousness is a gift romans 5 17 u dont work for it once God gives u something he doesn't take it back romans 11;29
eph 1 13 says we are SEALED with the holy spirit
once you are born again you are kept by Jesus he is the one doing the work not
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
hope the explanation is clear ..i call you blessed
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by alBHAGDADI: 12:04am On May 13|
You go to church to learn how to live your life in the right way pleasing to God.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Chylo(m): 12:05am On May 13|
No, its not quite clear. Are you saying the verses I quoted refers to the Israelites? If so how were they "made partakers of the Holy Ghost" and how did they "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh". Please be explicit. Thanks.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by alBHAGDADI: 12:06am On May 13|
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 4:15am On May 13|
If a person looses his salvation, it is impossible to restore such a person back to the Lord.
What do you think can separate a believer irrevocably from God? Sin?
We all occasionally commit sins. Most we confess and repent of. A few we forget or time goes over it and we never once confess. Remember when sometimes we speak foul language in anger to an erring irresponsible bike man or taxi driver who crosses our paths etc. Taking/using things we have not paid for from the office etc
1Cor 6:9-10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Gal 5:21: "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
What do you think makes us (children of God) to loose our salvation? Is it unconfessed sins (for we all have many)?
Mind you, once you loose it, you cannot be restored back to faith!
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 4:31am On May 13|
Chylo:If a person claims to be saved and chooses to revel in sin, such is most likely not a new creation and old things have not passed away. He's not born again.
The thing is if a person was truly saved, then a number of supernatural things take place in his life
1. He becomes a new creation (old nature that loves sin is dealt with)
2. He receives the spirit of adoption wherein God becomes his Father
Because of this, even though he's in the flesh (and thus is able to commit sin), he doesn't enjoy/ continue in sin. He is uncomfortable with sin so that it makes him clean up with his advocate (if he falls in sin). Sin makes him feel DIRTY!
Because of this , he never does just ANYTHING with his life believing that he is saved. Moreover, whoever is comfortable with SINNING has probably never been a new creature in the first place.
Do you think you can ever do something against your parent grievous enough for them to irrevocably disown you?
Do you have the capability of hurting your parents?
How much more our Abba Father in heaven!
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Iroroghene: 6:32am On May 13|
I mean we can learn how to live right with God by studying the scriptures.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by alBHAGDADI: 7:02am On May 13|
If you are not born again, you can't understand the Bible.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 8:10am On May 13|
It's the Holy Spirit that dwells in every Believer that is in constant conflict with the flesh.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 8:17am On May 13|
Who do you think the ten virgins are?
People who are Saved?
Has it ever occurred to you that they might represent Human on Earth created by God for the sole purpose of Serving, obeying and worshipping him?
Yet some choose to be unwise and not be prepared for his return?
If you do not, do you think our works are what take us to heaven?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 8:20am On May 13|
True, because it's the Holy Spirit that dwells in every believer who interprets the bible correctly not some shady interpretation that is seen everywhere.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 8:36am On May 13|
Besides, this doesn't call for silent insults.
The same way you try to defend your beliefs, that's the same way I'm trying to defend mine as well.
You don't have to insult me to prove your point.
It's funny how you profess yourself saved and can't even present your Faith nicely. Pity!!!
So much for Work based Salvation.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by duality(m): 8:47am On May 13|
I'm sorry about that.. Didn't know I did
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by ojhandsome(m): 8:50am On May 13|
i will refer you to https://livingwordmedia.org these type of questions and much more are extensively dealt with
all those religious Christians preaching loss of salvation they dont know the implication of what they are saying its simply the result of lack of study of the bible and quoting out of context Jesus paid the price for your sins and the death which you should have died he did it for not to say we should now start to sinning NO people will quote 1cor 6;9-10 but we skillfully leave out vs 11 vs 11 says some of you where once like that you where cleansed and made HOLY and made right with GOD meaning at salvation..... righteousness was imputed when u believed the gospel the only thing that sends a man to hell is unbelief in the gospel and not sin NOBODY ever lost salvation in the bible ie after Jesus died and resurrected please visit the site above all these questions are dealt with in such away you cannot doubt NO believer is to be found in HELL it is not possible
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Iroroghene: 8:50am On May 13|
Yes, I know. If I attend church once, get born again (saved) and stop going, while having personal fellowship with Christ in my room, there wouldn't be any need to attend church then.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 10:03am On May 13|
First off, it isn't the church that saves you, it's God.
It's also good to be in a church, that is people who are believers so that they can help point out when you are in the wrong, as well as other benefits you tend to gain.
But then it's better not to go a church where they hold on to false doctrines especially when you are just starting and don't know much.
It's best you avoid such churches so they don't inculcate wrong doctrines into you.
I don't go to church because there aren't any Reformed churches around where I reside.
But I always listen to sermons by my favourite preachers; Paul Washer, John piper, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham; what I'd give to find a Reformed church around.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Tosinex(m): 12:36pm On May 13|
At this junction let me talk about this!
The Op is correct! Once Saved is not forever saved.
What is Salvation?
Salvation can be compared to a Road.
The whole world, mankind plies on a road to destruction.
the Heaven's saw it and came up with an idea to save mankind, Jesus came and saved us from that road and lead us to the road of salvation.
Now, we have been saved means we have been removed from that road that leads to destruction and our feet has been laid on the road of salvation that leads to heaven. We have been saved from the road of destruction.
Now, each and everyone of us has the duty to continue on that road to the end, that road of salvation leads to our heavenly home.
That's why the scripture says we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling. It's because so that we won't fall away from that road back into the road of destruction.
If you say once saved is forever saved! And while walking on that road of salvation you slip away from it without knowing without returning back, thinking you are forever saved, boy you will find yourself wound up in hell.
That's why it's necessary for us to check our ways. What kind of ways, what kind of life and lifestyle are you living? Does it tally with the ways of Christ? Don't forget Jesus said narrow is the way (salvation way) that leads to heaven and only few finds it.
To crown it all I'll recount a personal revelation to you.
Sometimes ago not quite long, I involved myself in some things and I feel good about it but not long on a certain day while I was sleeping in my night vision, I saw that I was going through some corners and then burst out to a Road, the road seems good and I can hear some noise at the distant end of that road and I was already embarking on that road when an Angel rushed to me and said "hey where are you going, what are you doing on this road? This road leads down down down, go back now, go back to the road you are coming from" and then I obliged, and went back from where I was coming from. When I woke up from the revelation, I understood the message and put a stop to those things.
You know, we can't be too careful but with God on our side and we also ensuring to walk on the road of salvation with God's guidance daily we shall reach your heavenly home, Amen.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by biggy26: 1:40pm On May 13|
Yinyeon:Don't be desirous of being a teacher without proper study. Go, read and understand.
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by xtgozie(m): 2:11pm On May 13|
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Iroroghene: 2:48pm On May 13|
By Reformed Church, do you mean churches that Preach the “Once Saved, Forever Saved” doctrine?
|Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 2:52pm On May 13|
I should say the same to you!!!
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