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Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by OpenYourEyes1: 6:49am On May 28
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” — Revelation 21:8

"Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”—Luke 5:31-32


"From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”— Matthew 4:17


"He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. "— Luke 24:46-48


" Nothing evil will be allowed to enter, nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life"—Revelation 21:27

"For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."— Matthew 21:32

"So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sistersins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them" — Luke 17:3


"Produce fruit in keeping with repentance." —Matthew 3:8


"God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins." — Acts 5:31

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by OpenYourEyes1: 6:48am On Jun 01
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.


1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 7:41am On Jun 01
OpenYourEyes1:
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” — Revelation 21:8

"Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”—Luke 5:31-32


"From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”— Matthew 4:17


"He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. "— Luke 24:46-48


" Nothing evil will be allowed to enter, nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life"—Revelation 21:27

"For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."— Matthew 21:32

"So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sistersins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them" — Luke 17:3


"Produce fruit in keeping with repentance." —Matthew 3:8


"God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins." — Acts 5:31
how will you explain this scripture?

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law(without repentance)?
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by OpenYourEyes1: 8:01am On Jun 01
paxonel:
how will you explain this scripture?

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law(without repentance)?

For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is.
There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

Romans 3:28 - 31

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 8:06am On Jun 01
OpenYourEyes1:


For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is.
There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

Romans 3:28 - 31
you have explained it well.

Another question is, what are we saved from?
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by OpenYourEyes1: 8:14am On Jun 01
paxonel:
you have explained it well.
Another question is, what are we saved from?
Saved from total destruction or second death.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 9:58am On Jun 01
OpenYourEyes1:


Saved from total destruction or second death.
good!
Is the total destruction or second death spiritual death or physical death?
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Tosinex(m): 11:25am On Jun 01
paxonel:
good!
Is the total destruction or second death spiritual death or physical death?
spiritual death
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 3:42pm On Jun 01
Tosinex:
spiritual death
now you see that the justification to eternal life is spiritual, it has nothing to do with repentance which is physical.

John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

So, spirit and flesh have nothing to do with each other just like salvation into eternal life(which is spiritual justification) has nothing to do with repentance.

So, the reason why those scriptures you quoted earlier emphasizes repentance is for us to attain physical justification here on this earth and not for us to attain eternal life.

No amount of good thing you do can give you eternal life. Eternal life is freely given to us through Christ whether we repent or not.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by jesusjnr(m): 5:09pm On Jun 01
Man shall not live (eternal life) by bread (grace) alone, but by every word (obedience) that comes out of the mouth of God.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by denisbid: 7:47pm On Jun 01
jesusjnr:
Man shall not live (eternal life) by bread (grace) alone, but by every word (obedience) that comes out of the mouth of God.
for your mind you sabi twist scripture abi?
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by TOSIN116: 8:33pm On Jun 01
paxonel:
now you see that the justification to eternal life is spiritual, it has nothing to do with repentance which is physical.

John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

So, spirit and flesh have nothing to do with each other just like salvation into eternal life(which is spiritual justification) has nothing to do with repentance.

So, the reason why those scriptures you quoted earlier emphasizes repentance is for us to attain physical justification here on this earth and not for us to attain eternal life.

No amount of good thing you do can give you eternal life. Eternal life is freely given to us through Christ whether we repent or not.
where did you get this from? shocked
I believe we are saved by grace but not this type. This is totally wong.

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by budaatum: 10:31pm On Jun 01
Tosinex:
spiritual death
And physical death too as seen by observing nations who truly do God's will, which is not measured by the number praying or shouting "Jesus is Lord" but by whether they love one another and feed the poor et al.

Nations that generally do more of this live longer.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Goshen360(m): 5:16am On Jun 02
If humanity could have saved themselves by works, there would have been no need for the Grace ( the gift of God) which is Christ.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by jesusjnr(m): 5:37am On Jun 02
denisbid:
for your mind you sabi twist scripture abi?
Live by grace alone and don't obey the Word of God, then you'd truly come to know if i twisted the scripture or not in your own mind.

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by 50power: 6:19am On Jun 02
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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 6:47am On Jun 02
TOSIN116:

where did you get this from? shocked
I believe we are saved by grace but not this type. This is totally wong.
what type?
Do you understand what i am saying at all?

I am equally saying we are saved by grace and not by works, only that i am not putting it in your African type, i am applying it to reality for the op to understand.

Have you ever give gifts to people without taking anything in return?
That is the kind of gift Christ gave to us as salvation. He never wanted us to work for it or pay back anything.
But the only type of love you Africans know is the one you will give in one hand and collect something in return at the other hand(the poverty mindset). That is not grace.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Tosinex(m): 7:11am On Jun 02
paxonel:
now you see that the justification to eternal life is spiritual, it has nothing to do with repentance which is physical.

John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

So, spirit and flesh have nothing to do with each other just like salvation into eternal life(which is spiritual justification) has nothing to do with repentance.

So, the reason why those scriptures you quoted earlier emphasizes repentance is for us to attain physical justification here on this earth and not for us to attain eternal life.

No amount of good thing you do can give you eternal life. Eternal life is freely given to us through Christ whether we repent or not.
it has everything to do with repentance. Christ died for all, he died for the boko haram guys, the ISIS, down to the prostitutes and the common thief, but not all comes to repentance and that's why they ended up in hell. If it has nothing to do with repentance then all of us whether you accept him or not will end up in heaven, but it has everything from recognizing Him and accepting His Lordship through repentance, for with the heart a man believe and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 7:36am On Jun 02
Tosinex:
it has everything to do with repentance. Christ died for all, he died for the boko haram guys, the ISIS, down to the prostitutes and the common thief, but not all comes to repentance and that's why they ended up in hell.
yes, Christ died for them all but not all of them have accepted Christ. Anyone of them who have accepted Christ though they continue with their prostitution, boko haram, ISIS or whatever atrocities, they are saved. That is the good news of the gospel.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us

Understand this : they are saved spiritually but not physically, because they will all face the consequences of their boko haram, ISIS or prostitution here on this physical earth.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

That means, though we are saved but our salvation cannot save us from the consequences of our sin when we sin willfully.

So, our salvation has nothing to do with whether we repent or not.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Tosinex(m): 11:55am On Jun 02
paxonel:
yes, Christ died for them all but not all of them have accepted Christ. Anyone of them who have accepted Christ though they continue with their prostitution, boko haram, ISIS or whatever atrocities, they are saved. That is the good news of the gospel.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us

Understand this : they are saved spiritually but not physically, because they will all face the consequences of their boko haram, ISIS or prostitution here on this physical earth.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

That means, though we are saved but our salvation cannot save us from the consequences of our sin when we sin willfully.

So, our salvation has nothing to do with whether we repent or not.
Yes They have been saved but have they accepted that they are saved!(acceptance, confession to salvation) Even if they accept why are they still walking in the path of damnation that leads to hell in the spiritual. These are things that need to be understood.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by gustav25: 12:20pm On Jun 02
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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by solite3(m): 2:24pm On Jun 02
For a man to be saved there must be repentance.
Repentance (knowing his sinful condition and the dangers in such condition and turning to God) only then can he accept christ.
The law was our school master to direct us to christ not the other way round.

In Christ we found a completely new life that is of the spirit
In this new life is govern by the law of the Spirit
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 5:49pm On Jun 02
Tosinex:
Yes They have been saved but have they accepted that they are saved!(acceptance, confession to salvation) Even if they accept why are they still walking in the path of damnation
yes,they are working in the part of damnation. Damnation in the sense that what they are doing have their consequences which they will suffer hear on this earth but that does not mean they will not be saved into eternal life through Christ when they die,i have explained that before.

that leads to hell in the spiritual.
the damnation they will suffer here on this earth as a result of their sin cannot lead them to heal in the spiritual.There is no connectivity between the spiritual and the physical in that aspect, it's not possible. Otherwise, Christ didn't come to die.

So, they are saved inspite their sin simply because they have accepted Christ.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by solite3(m): 7:45pm On Jun 02
op salvation is by grace alone
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Tosinex(m): 7:50pm On Jun 02
paxonel:
yes,they are working in the part of damnation. Damnation in the sense that what they are doing have their consequences which they will suffer hear on this earth but that does not mean they will not be saved into eternal life through Christ when they die,i have explained that before.
the damnation they will suffer here on this earth as a result of their sin cannot lead them to heal in the spiritual.There is no connectivity between the spiritual and the physical in that aspect, it's not possible. Otherwise, Christ didn't come to die.

So, they are saved inspite their sin simply because they have accepted Christ.
so from your explanation now, even after receiving Christ, the boko haram, the isis, prostitute, the adulterer and common thief, that died in their sin will all make heaven, right!
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by adoyi8: 7:59pm On Jun 02
Posts like these make me a stronger atheist. Religion of confusion.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Tosinex(m): 8:02pm On Jun 02
adoyi8:
Posts like these make me a stronger atheist. Religion of confusion.
Afterall, at the end of all things, you are responsible for your choice! It's nobody's fault.

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by adoyi8: 9:05pm On Jun 02
Tosinex:

Afterall, at the end of all things, you are responsible for your choice! It's nobody's fault.
yeah and I am glad; I was indoctrinated by my parents into christianity, saw the BS in it and left by choice.
While you are a christian because your parents indoctrinated you into it. You would have happily been a Muslim had you had Muslim parents. so, I used my choice but you didn't use yours.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by Tosinex(m): 11:42pm On Jun 02
adoyi8:

yeah and I am glad; I was indoctrinated by my parents into christianity, saw the BS in it and left by choice.
While you are a christian because your parents indoctrinated you into it. You would have happily been a Muslim had you had Muslim parents. so, I used my choice but you didn't use yours.
Funny, you really sound ludicrous, Or how do you know my parents are Christians, I told you that? Smh.
You see, I experience GOD, HE revealed Himself to me. HE does that to those HE chose, probably you are not among those He chose, sorry, your bad!!

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by ABCthings: 12:11am On Jun 03
paxonel:
yes,they are working in the part of damnation. Damnation in the sense that what they are doing have their consequences which they will suffer hear on this earth but that does not mean they will not be saved into eternal life through Christ when they die,i have explained that before.
the damnation they will suffer here on this earth as a result of their sin cannot lead them to heal in the spiritual.There is no connectivity between the spiritual and the physical in that aspect, it's not possible. Otherwise, Christ didn't come to die.

So, they are saved inspite their sin simply because they have accepted Christ.
Wrong again.We are saved by grace through faith and salvation we must continue to abide in Christ or we'll cut off.

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Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 12:23am On Jun 03
ABCthings:
Wrong again.We are saved by grace through faith and salvation we must continue to abide in Christ or we'll cut off.
may be you have not yet separated salvation from repentance that's why you are not still understanding.
To abide is Christ isn't the same as being a good christian that's what you should know.
Re: Saved by grace alone - A filthy doctrine of demons. Please beware! by paxonel(m): 12:28am On Jun 03
Tosinex:
so from your explanation now, even after receiving Christ, the boko haram, the isis, prostitute, the adulterer and common thief, that died in their sin will all make heaven, right!
mmgbaaaam!!!!
And that is grace!
And that explains why the thief who was crucified with Christ was justified. Not because he was not guilty of the crime but because he believed Christ at his dying moment.

But what does this tells us?
That we should continue in sin because there is grace?
God forbid !

It is not left for us to use our minds to avoid sin.

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