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Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:02pm On Jun 02
TV01:
Rather funny and downright hypocritical that you should lay this charge at the door of others when you are demonstrably guilty of it yourself. I also note how you continuously allude to incorrect exegesis of scripture by others without actually proffering an interpretation of your own. Also noted is your haste to align with non-believers on their positions regards "homosexuality".
I repeat what I said earlier, that I have plenty more surprising facts for you, and that your squirming and agonizing days have just begun. If not that you, elated177, jesusjnr etcetera are afraid of answering questions...

I also said, it is the reason, the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the shepherd00, the etcetera of their bunch, find it difficult to respond to battery of questions I posed at them. All people like you and the others do, is putting out long winded posts to eat up the time whilst avoiding answering my easy, simple, sensible, straightforward questions I put out...

TV01:
I previously asked you a few questions on this topic and you vanished like a puff of smoke grin. And now you are making repeated assertions of the cowardice, hypocrisy and artful dodging of others? You talk about long posts when your bloviate could by dint of the hot-air generated power a small city.
I saw how you were being persistent in your strawman mining, that I just had to stand back and step away, but now, that we are back on course, let's lay down some ground rules, hmm?
1/ No one should parry, dodge, sidestep questions or give an asked question, a wide berth
2/ No one should respond or act in an evasive way when explicitly and clearly, is asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions (e.g. why did God say it is an abomination? What is the reason why God found it detestable? What is detestable about same sex couples having a romantic relationship? etcetera)
3/ All and each questions should be given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know
4/ Strawman mining is not permitted
5/ Important to know about Bible content being king, but also agree and accept that it's Bible context, who is king-maker
6/ Invite and appoint an objective, open-minded referee for this thread, choice can be taken from illustrious posters like, VBCampaign, Goshen360, paxonel, Kkins25, OkCornel or OkaiCorne, frank317, budaatum, Michellekabod2, vaxx, FOLYKAZE, johnydon22, HappyPagan or any other of good repute poster
7/ Exegesis, concerned with discovering the true, honest and exact meaning of Bible text(s), as opposed to eisegesis, should be the rule of the day.
8/ Dont fire questions after questions, in attempt to prevent the other poster(s) getting words in between, as it'll be reported to the referee
9/ Dont distort, dont misrepresent whoever's post you are commenting on or responding to, as this will be brought to the attention of the referree
10/ Dont go off on an irrelevant tangent, trying to make discussed issues less clear with it and/or make asked questions harder to understand.

TV01:
I'll repeat both sets of the - quite similar - questions I asked previously. Kindly respond to either or both sets. Let's see if what is required to deal with the likes of you is anything more than a stand-up fan on it's lowest setting cheesy.

Set 1 - https://www.nairaland.com/4935020/matter-homosexuality/5#76584975
1. The Lord Jesus referenced the creational purpose of male and female, was such a purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions? Yes or no.
A categorically big fat YES

TV01:
2. If no, without clear biblical writ, and with clear biblical proscription, in a Christian sense, can such relationships be considered moral or sanctified (by the qualifiers you endlessly repeat or any other way)?
Not germane because my response was a big fat YES above.

TV01:
3. If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?
I was literally just laughing my head off, when you made the comment about creational order and now you're asking a question about why same sex union was not nowhere modelled in scripture. Well TV01, the reason why same sex union isnt modelled in scripture is because the word of God is living and active. Of course TV01, you know Proverbs 25:2, that testifies to my sentence leading up to here, and it states that: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."

TV01:
Set 2 https://www.nairaland.com/4935020/matter-homosexuality/6#76620145
1. Are SS attraction and SS relationships, part of Gods original creational intent?
Absolutely Yes, as in, Yes, without a shadow of doubt.

It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging. We all agree and accept that the feeling that one belongs, is among the most important, in seeing the value in life. Nobody should

TV01:
2. If you respond yes to #1, could you advise what Gods intent for their unions would be
Simples. God's intent for unions TV01, would be to love and be loved back. That is what God is, is what God is about, love and we that are made in the image of God, need to display strongly and openly that side of/about God TV01

TV01, it is not about who you love, but how you love. Remember that there is no male and female.

What does Romans 8:1 say TV01?
It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

TV01, how can you try to curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

TV01:
3. If you respond no to #1, kindly explain when such attraction and relationship appeared and, how we can confirm that God affirms them
Please respond succinctly and briefly, with no over-tossed, under-dressed word salad.

TV
Elated177, Agrogbeide - be encouraged and stand firm in His Might and in His Truth...
Not applicable because I responded Yes.
I wish you walk the way you've just talked now.



MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, didn't I say I'll believe it when I see you answer the question. I am not surprised you're not a man to keep to your promise and words. Look at you dodging those four questions again now. I have answered all yours, haven't I?

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, what is stopping you go ahead to answer to those four questions

Shepherd00:
Muttleylaff, what kind of love are you talking about here?
As we know not every love is of God. There's Divine Love which is of God, and this tends upward towards pleasing God in everything it is involved in.

And there's Self-love which tends downward and it seeks to please and gratify the cravings of the Flesh. And, in essence this is called Lust.

Which of the two do you mean?

Pls mention the ways homosexuality is creative.
And, how it services the Universe.

In other words, you don run(?)

You ran from TV0, and now you are running again.

I'm spamming the forum with how many threads?

MuttleyLaff, pls answer my questions with scriptures.

How is homosexuality useful to God, Man and the Universe.

Did God originate it?

For what purpose?

How will the Humanity continue with homosexuality in practice?

How many Patriarchs or Matriarchs were homosexuals?

MuttleyLaff:
Now Shepherd00 because of his unstudied opinions, will be saying and asking questions, like:
"Everything that God created in His Universe He has a purpose for it to serve. And, everything was created with its own design so that it would continue to exist on its own.

So, What is the Purpose of Homosexuality to Humanity and the Universe?

Is homosexuality God's idea?

To what end?

I mean, If you intend to do something, there must be a purpose of doing it, a means of doing it, and there must also be a result after doing it.

God intended to create the world and for people to fill it, he created a man and a woman and gave them sex organs to enable them perform that service. And they did, today humans continue to reproduce each other for posterity sake.

But, you say it's okay for Men to marry men, my question is Why?

Pls don't tell me the vocations homosexual people are involved in, I am talking about the ACT of Homosexuality. What is its usefulness?
"
Homosexuality is a God idea. It is the idea of the Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, that is better and greater than everyone of us.

The ACT of Homosexuality, its usefulness, Shepherd00, is love, to love, be loved back and then be creative and/or serve. I will address you more and in detail Shepherd00 when I do my proper response as promised, so please stop jumping the gun and spamming the forum with your idée fixe threads.

Shepherd00:
Muttleylaff, what kind of love are you talking about here?
As we know not every love is of God. There's Divine Love which is of God, and this tends upward towards pleasing God in everything it is involved in.

And there's Self-love which tends downward and it seeks to please and gratify the cravings of the Flesh. And, in essence this is called Lust.

Which of the two do you mean?
Shepherd00, I am talking of the vertical to God and the horizontal to your neighbour love. Of course, I am causing one to think that I am talking of the Agape love also known as unconditional love

Shepherd00:
Pls mention the ways homosexuality is creative.
And, how it services the Universe.
The chief enemy of creativity is good sense, common sense and no sense wiseness, so Shepherd00, firstly, let us agree to accept that people who are gay will always be few and far between, OK? Secondly, those involved in homosexuality are people, OK? Thirdly, my discussion, comes within the purview of consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

Since homosexuality, is the quality or characteristic of people being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex and has to do with human beings, then homosexuality, just as much as heterosexuality is creative and offers service(s) to the Universe

Shepherd00:
In other words, you don run(?)

You ran from TV0, and now you are running again.

I'm spamming the forum with how many threads?


MuttleyLaff, pls answer my questions with scriptures.

How is homosexuality useful to God, Man and the Universe.

Did God originate it?
Yes, God originated and designed it

Shepherd00:
For what purpose?
This is like asking for what purpose is there for being lefthanded.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my preceded, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is Shepherd00. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or you as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay is like being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here Shepherd00. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

Shepherd00:
How will the Humanity continue with homosexuality in practice?
Did we not agree to accept that people who are gay will always be few and far between, hmm?
Well, everyone agrees that heterosexuality is the norm and that about 95% of the human race is heterosexual, so no panic, no alarm about how will humanity continue with homosexuality in practice

Shepherd00:
How many Patriarchs or Matriarchs were homosexuals?
I dont know of any Patriarchs or Matriarchs, who in the Bible, were incontrovertibly practised homosexuals Shepherd00


I was not afraid to respond to or answer questions, and I will continue to keep this habit until the wheels fall off this drive we've jumped on. I trust you Shepherd00 and TV01 will reciprocate same gesture, as I have a lot of very pertinent questions for both you individuals. You dont know what colour of bird is in my pocket, albeit, I all along have been giving you samples and hints of what to expect. I havent at all scratched the surface of this whole subject issue, please dont be fooled by the tip so far revealed
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This thread was opened to first and initially respond to the questions TV01 & Shepherd00 put to me, after which it becomes a vehicle, with which to gradually deconstruct the perpetrated lies, deliberately misinterpreted bible texts, and expose the myth that adult homosexuality/same sex union is evil and/or threatening

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The time is now, if ever there is a time to rightly divided the Word of truth. It's just that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark.


"We can easily forgive a child, who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life, is when men are afraid of the light."
- Plato

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by TV01(m): 1:29pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
A categorically big fat YES

Not germane because my response was a big fat YES above.

I was literally just laughing my head off, when you made the comment about creational order and now you're asking a question about why same sex union was not nowhere modelled in scripture. Well TV01, the reason why same sex union isnt modelled in scripture is because the word of God is living and active. Of course TV01, you know Proverbs 25:2, that testifies to my sentence leading up to here, and it states that: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."

Absolutely Yes, as in, Yes, without a shadow of doubt.

It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging. We all agree and accept that the feeling that one belongs, is among the most important, in seeing the value in life. Nobody should

Simples. God's intent for unions TV01, would be to love and be loved back. That is what God is, is what God is about, love and we that are made in the image of God, need to display strongly and openly that side of/about God TV01

TV01, it is not about who you love, but how you love. Remember that there is no male and female.

What does Romans 8:1 say TV01?
It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

TV01, how can you try to curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?
I could be lazy, and simply dismiss this as scholarship of the most wretched kind - which in a sense it is. Or, given the level of your submissions on this forum, point out what is really going on here.

It's quite clear that you are unwaveringly committed to propagating the whole of the LGBTQ+ agenda. Why? That's not for me to speculate. But what, is quite clear.

Your niche is to force a LGBTQ+ friendly and affirming reading into the scriptures whatever it takes. Which - to close this circle - can only be attempted with the kind of warped interpretations you have attempted above.

Ordinarily I'd walk on by, but if only for the sake of those questioning, already confused by, or toeing the same line. I'll respond more fully. Later though as I have a family fun day to get back to.

In response to my questions you made only assertions, no scriptural backing, no chapter and verse evidence, nothing. Then one scripture summarily press-ganged into insinuating something that is only known - or revealed - to homosexualists.

Really? Muttleylaff, that kind of nonsense is bought only by those who hate, don't believe or don't know the scriptures.



TV

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:40pm On Jun 02
TV01:
I could be lazy, and simply dismiss this as scholarship of the most wretched kind - which in a sense it is. Or, given the level of your submissions on this forum, point out what is really going on here.

It's quite clear that you are unwaveringly committed to propagating the whole of the LGBTQ+ agenda. Why? That's not for me to speculate. But what, is quite clear.

Your niche is to force a LGBTQ+ friendly and affirming reading into the scriptures whatever it takes. Which - to close this circle - can only be attempted with the kind of warped interpretations you have attempted above.
On the contrary, there is nothing that miles apart from the truth in this your comment

My niche is to reveal exactly what the Bible and God says. People are too busy putting their trust in other men, checking what they see as abominable and what some other person says, without even finding out or seeing for themselves, if it what they've learned, what's being taught, really lines up with the Bible or not, they've allowed the devil use them as a tool and fill their mind up as a garbage dump. Only if people will read the bible in its historical context, would they see the lies perpetrated about what really was and is abominable.

No, TV01, no one, not even you, not matter your chutzpah, do you have the right, to make the Bible say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or mean. Please, be conscious of the title of this thread, lets re-learn and stop getting things twisted.

TV01:
Ordinarily I'd walk on by, but if only for the sake of those questioning, already confused by, or toeing the same line. I'll respond more fully. Later though as I have a family fun day to get back to.

In response to my questions you made only assertions, no scriptural backing, no chapter and verse evidence, nothing. Then one scripture press-summarily press-ganged into insinuating something that is only known -or revealed - to homosexualists. Really?

TV
Thank you so very much for your friendly, generous and considerate act of kindness.

I have answered yours and Shepherd00 questions, so should I go ahead and ask my question(s) TV01? As I have earlier said, I do have quite a lot of very pertinent questions for both you and Shepherd00. You dont know what colour of bird is in my pocket, although, I all along have been fair and generous, by giving you samples and hints of what to expect from me. Recall that I've kept saying that, I havent at all scratched the surface of this whole subject issue, and to please not be fooled by the tip of what's so far revealed. Or you prefer, I wait until Shepherd00 turns up, hmm?

On a side note, how do you do it? How do you manage, hmm?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:55pm On Jun 02
You want me to respond to you? Then come to the thread where these questions are asked.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:02pm On Jun 02
Shepherd00:
You want me to respond to you? Then come to the thread where these questions are asked.
I love it when someone knows their limit and boundaries.
It is good when someone knows when not to cross the line and when to wisely say, No, I am not doing anymore

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:09pm On Jun 02
Are we writing a new book here?
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by solite3(m): 2:12pm On Jun 02
Homosexuality is an abomination
All those who do it will end in the lake of fire

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Romans 1:26-27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:21pm On Jun 02
FOLYKAZE:
Are we writing a new book here?
Na so we see am, nothing wey Musa, no go see for front gate

We shall know the truth things, and the truth shall make us free things. Issa goal.

solite3:
Homosexuality is an abomination
All those who do it will end in the lake of fire

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Romans 1:26-27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
If homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a solite3 argument it is, then it is just as bad as being a liar and/or lying. Now tell me solite3 when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:26pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
I love it when someone knows their limit and boundaries.
It is good when someone knows when not to cross the line and when to wisely say, No, I am not doing anymore
In other words, you don run.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:34pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
Na so we see am, nothing wey Musa, no go see for front gate

We shall know the truth things, and the truth shall make us free things. Issa goal.


I rarely discuss on topic like this. Apologies, I won't contribute anything reasonable here.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:35pm On Jun 02
Shepherd00:
In other words, you don run.
I am parked here gidigba, but since you've decided to suit yourself, just read then, to unlearn and re-learn from the reading you do.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:38pm On Jun 02
FOLYKAZE:
I rarely discuss on topic like this. Apologies, I won't contribute anything reasonable here.
I know you well, that you dont discuss on topics like this and I never was expecting you to. Your awareness that such a thread was opened was all I wanted to convey to you. I actually wanted you to be among the list of "dont mind objective referees", but absent mindedly left you out.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by solite3(m): 2:39pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
Na so we see am, nothing wey Musa, no go see for front gate

We shall know the truth things, and the truth shall make us free things. Issa goal.

If homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a solite3 argument it is, then it is just as bad as being a liar and/or lying. Now tell me solite3 when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?
its more terrible than lying although both are sins. Lying just as homosexuality is from the sin nature of Adam.
God never created anyone as a liar or as an homosexual person, that is why Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil(sin including lying and homosexuality) I m not condemning anyone but just letting them know that Jesus can save them just as he saved me.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:46pm On Jun 02
solite3:
its more terrible than lying although both are sins. Lying just as homosexuality is from the sin nature of Adam.
C'mon now solite3, you and I know, that no sin is more terrible than the other nau. Sin is sin, period.

solite3:
God never created anyone as a liar or as an homosexual person,
You are right about the former, but not right about the latter

solite3:
that is why Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil(sin including lying and homosexuality) I m not condemning anyone but just letting them know that Jesus can save them just as he saved me.
You are right that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, which is sin including lying and not neccesarily homosexuality per se

I noticed how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:53pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
I am parked here gidigba, but since you've decided to suit yourself, just read then, to unlearn and re-learn from the reading you do.
I will wait to see you interpret scriptures to defend your stance.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:54pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
On the contrary, there is nothing that miles apart from the truth in this your comment

My niche is to reveal exactly what the Bible and God says. People are too busy putting their trust in other men, checking what they see as abominable and what some other person says, without even finding out or seeing for themselves, if it what they've learned, what's being taught, really lines up with the Bible or not, they've allowed the devil use them as a tool and fill their mind up as a garbage dump. Only if people will read the bible in its historical context, would they see the lies perpetrated about what really was and is abominable.

No, TV01, no one, not even you, not matter your chutzpah, do you have the right, to make the Bible say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or mean. Please, be conscious of the title of this thread, lets re-learn and stop getting things twisted.

Thank you so very much for your friendly, generous and considerate act of kindness.

I have answered yours and Shepherd00 questions, so should I go ahead and ask my question(s) TV01? As I have earlier said, I do have quite a lot of very pertinent questions for both you and Shepherd00. You dont know what colour of bird is in my pocket, although, I all along have been fair and generous, by giving you samples and hints of what to expect from me. Recall that I've kept saying that, I havent at all scratched the surface of this whole subject issue, and to please not be fooled by the tip of what's so far revealed. Or you prefer, I wait until Shepherd00 turns up, hmm?

On a side note, how do you do it? How do you manage, hmm?
No, You didn't answer my questions. But like I said, not here.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:59pm On Jun 02
Shepherd00:
I will wait to see you interpret scriptures to defend your stance.
Thank me later, because your live will not remain the same again, not even before the end of the course of this thread

Shepherd00:
No, You didn't answer my questions. But like I said, not here.
So, it is the "Oliver Twist" card you now are playing, erh? The cheek of him, from all that "book" post I uploaded up there, he is claiming his questions werent answered. One never can satisfy some pipul, dem bin behave, like, long-throats sometimes

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by sulasa07(m): 5:25pm On Jun 02
solite3:
Homosexuality is an abomination
All those who do it will end in the lake of fire

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Romans 1:26-27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


Homosexuals know that they are schizophrenic, they just want someone to tell them

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by bloodofthelamb(m): 5:40pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
Na so we see am, nothing wey Musa, no go see for front gate

We shall know the truth things, and the truth shall make us free things. Issa goal.

If homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a solite3 argument it is, then it is just as bad as being a liar and/or lying. Now tell me solite3 when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?


MuttleyLaff, I have followed this topic from the other thread down to this one you created and I am impressed within me to leave my blessed opinion on this issue. Homosexuality like fornication (etc) is a sin but how does God see those who are engage in the act? When the woman caught in adultery was brought before the great judge of the universe, he never condemned eher, neither did he malign her. He simply gave her the gift of no condemnation.

Homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion. Condemning and judging them can no way make them repent from it, rather it will intensify it. Christ is the only one who can truly make them free from that misdirected passion and desire, and our job is to point them to Him and not to condemn and vilify them. Jesus has not send us into the world to condemn and judge them for their short comings, but to make them know that they can be free from their sins through Christ in them. Many believers today behaves like the Pharisees that brought that woman caught in adultery to Jesus, they think to themselves that they have the power to judge the homosexuals, while their own sins are back tracked.

Jesus did not ask the Pharisees that brought the woman to him, if they have not fornicated before. Though there might be some of them who have not sinned( in terms of committing adultery) but certainly all of them have transgressed one way or another. MuttleyLaff, I am not judging you for your stand, but you are wrong with your stand.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 5:41pm On Jun 02
sulasa07:
Homosexuals know that they are schizophrenic, they just want someone to tell them
Is Leo Varadkar schizophrenic?
Wrong, they want to be accepted for who and what they are. They want to love and be love back in return. They want to someone to tell them, they no more need to be, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by sulasa07(m): 5:49pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
Is Leo Varadkar schizophrenic?
Wrong, they want to be accepted for who and what they are. They want to love and be love back in return. They want to someone to tell them, they no more need to be, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera.
Tell rapists,paedophiles too since they also want to to feel accepted too

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by solite3(m): 5:59pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now solite3, you and I know, that no sin is more terrible than the other nau. Sin is sin, period.
sin is sin but they have different levels.
Have you heard of the sin against the Spirit? Why should the sin against the holy Ghost be unforgiven while other sins are, if all sins are equal?

You are right about the former, but not right about the latter
you and Jesus who is right?

Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

The bible makes it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman not man and man or woman and woman.




You are right that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, which is sin including lying and not neccesarily homosexuality per se

I noticed how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?
why do you compare homosexuality with lying if homosexuality is not a sin?
The bible is clear homosexuality is a sin and one of the sin of sodom and gomorrah.

Are an homosexual? Look onto Jesus for deliverance dont be deceived by the media satanic propaganda to make it look like a mere sexual preference.

Sin is when you prefer anything outside of God's choice.

God from the beginning created marriage to be btw a man and a woman not a man and a man.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by solite3(m): 5:59pm On Jun 02
MuttleyLaff:
Is Leo Varadkar schizophrenic?
Wrong, they want to be accepted for who and what they are. They want to love and be love back in return. They want to someone to tell them, they no more need to be, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera.
If they want love they should repent and call upon the name of Jesus for deliverance.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by solite3(m): 6:02pm On Jun 02
Mutteylaff this topic has already been trashed.

Homosexuality is a sin but there is help for every homosexual out there. God loves you and extends his hands to you through Jesus Christ.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Ranchhoddas: 6:02pm On Jun 02
We have a new thread now?

Finally. This matter will be put to rest. grin grin

Ghen ghen ghen.

TV01 vs Muttleylaff

Rumble in the jungle.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by titigenius: 6:45pm On Jun 02
i hope you know or op that God destroyed sodom and gomorrah for their sins? observe the cry of lot a saint of the most high, he called their desire of wanting to have carnal knowledge of the angels who appeared as men sin and clearly the angels the angels did not in any way rebuke him. don't glorify the act in your bid to accept the people.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:06pm On Jun 02
sulasa07:
Tell rapists, paedophiles too since they also want to to feel accepted too
C'mon now, who types something nasty like this, erh? Rapists and paedophiles that the Bible clearly and explicitly speaks against. Rapists and paedophiles that harm others. Rapists and paedophiles that forcibly take and often take without consent, hmm?

Ranchhoddas:
We have a new thread now?
Finally. This matter will be put to rest. grin grin
Ghen ghen ghen.

TV01 vs Muttleylaff

Rumble in the jungle.
Each should buckle up, and fasten their seat belts on this bumpy ride. It's no stopping before when the wheels comes off.

Would you be the objective and open-minded referee, needed on this thread? Or please advise of a suitable and/or capable poster?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:08pm On Jun 02
solite3:
sin is sin but they have different levels.
Have you heard of the sin against the Spirit? Why should the sin against the holy Ghost be unforgiven while other sins are, if all sins are equal?

you and Jesus who is right?
The sin against the Spirit is an exception to the general rule, that, sin is sin. If you sin in one, you sin in all, this is Bible solite3, and you know it.

solite3:
Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

The bible makes it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman not man and man or woman and woman.
Do you at all understand and know why you are behaving and brazenly acting as you are doing solite3, hmm? It's because you are inspired, from still following the law of sin and death.

What does Romans 8:1-2 say solite3?
Never mind, I'll say it here for you. It states that:
"1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
"

There is no law against love solite3. Guess what, there actually, is no law against homosexuality too. So homosexuality CAN'T be a sin then period, because sin is the transgression of the law and what law is being transgressed here?. None, nada.

Guess what again solite3, as believers, we aren't even under the law anymore, and this you can yourself, see and read from Romans 8:1-2 above reproduced. So solite3, we arent at liberty nor in a position of demonising and persecuting each other with it, the manner and/or way, the likes of how you and other people on in here this thread, do with consensual adult same sex couples in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful and committed life long untill death do them apart relationships.

solite3:
why do you compare homosexuality with lying if homosexuality is not a sin?
I wrote that if homosexuality is an abomination or a sin, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination or a sin, but then if it was or say for the sake of a solite3 argument it is, then it is just as bad as being a liar and/or lying. Now tell me solite3 when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

I typed hypothetically that way, just to show you, how hypocritical and sanctimonious you are. It is just like budaatum usually says, that, a lot of inexcusable people, look and point at the speck, in a brother's eye, but fail to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.

1 Timothy 1:7, is a useful and informative verse. It says: "They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm"

solite3:
The bible is clear homosexuality is a sin and one of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sodom and Gomorrah was original planned to be destroyed before the city men's attempted gang rape of visiting angels. The city was already going to be destroyed before them trying to have carnal knowledge of the angels without their consent, so the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah really had nothing, nada to do with your figment of imagination sin of homosexuality

solite3:
Are an homosexual? Look onto Jesus for deliverance dont be deceived by the media satanic propaganda to make it look like a mere sexual preference.
I am not a homosexual. I am romantically and sexually attracted to the female sex

solite3:
Sin is when you prefer anything outside of God's choice.
And you are commiting sin by making unrightous judgement of a neighbour

solite3:
God from the beginning created marriage to be btw a man and a woman not a man and a man.
Marriage is a shadow model of a real thing, that means, something real that's in heaven. solite3, I bet you dont know that, marriage, as a matter of fact, is a union of the soul with God. There is no male or female in heaven, bet you've forgotten about that fact, as well

solite3:
If they want love they should repent and call upon the name of Jesus for deliverance.
They have love, they are at peace with themselves and with God. Homosexuals, are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good, wont do anyone any harm, their hearts are pure, they are faithfully, in love with one another until death do them apart, which all, is a good thing.

solite3:
Mutteylaff this topic has already been trashed.
You wrongly thought the topic and subject was trashed solite3

solite3:
Homosexuality is a sin but there is help for every homosexual out there. God loves you and extends his hands to you through Jesus Christ.
It's you, who needs help and not any homosexual in my purview because homosexuality per se is not a sin, was never deemed a sin

titigenius:
i hope you know or op that God destroyed sodom and gomorrah for their sins? observe the cry of lot a saint of the most high, he called their desire of wanting to have carnal knowledge of the angels who appeared as men sin and clearly the angels the angels did not in any way rebuke him. don't glorify the act in your bid to accept the people.
1/ Why was Sodom and Gomorrah originally earmarked for destruction before it eventually did get destroyed titigenius?.
2/ What was the reason, Sodom and Gomorrah was originally pencilled to be destroyed, even before the attempted gang rape of those two visiting angels and for that matter, against their consent, titigenius, hmm?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by titigenius: 10:05pm On Jun 02
Like i said muttleylaff, their sins, and just incase you need clearer insight, sin is a tern used to describe offences against God. But i see you have a better understanding of what sin is and better knowledge of the reason for God's actions against sodom and gomorrah. Enlighten us please.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:24pm On Jun 02
titigenius:
Like i said muttleylaff, their sins, and just incase you need clearer insight, sin is a tern used to describe offences against God. But i see you have a better understanding of what sin is and better knowledge of the reason for God's actions against Sodom and Gomorrah. Enlighten us please.
titigenius, we all grown on this thread, so let us stop playing at games, hmm?
titigenius, you said, and I quote you:"I hope you know or op that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins? ", so I gave you the perfect opportunity to say what you know, what you learned or what you were taught about the city, by asking you those two simple, easy, straightforward and direct questions
1/ What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, that had the city originally earmarked for destruction, even before the planned and attempted gang rape of those two angel that eventually had the city swiftly get destroyed titigenius
2/ What was the sin, the reason, why Sodom and Gomorrah was originally pencilled to be destroyed, even before the attempted gang rape of those two visiting angels and for that matter, against their consent, titigenius, hmm?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by titigenius: 10:45pm On Jun 02
You're very evasive but, i'll answer you. The prohet agur said the words of God are pure and advised not to add or remove. God made no memtion of what type of sin they committed but, paul in his letter to the roman christians, specifically in chapter1:26-27 said God's wrath or judgement is against men who have sexual relations with men, proving that God does not applaud such deeds. So where my friend did you get such knowledge from.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:49pm On Jun 02
bloodofthelamb:



MuttleyLaff, I have followed this topic from the other thread down to this one you created and I am impressed within me to leave my blessed opinion on this issue. Homosexuality like fornication (etc) is a sin but how does God see those who are engage in the act? When the woman caught in adultery was brought before the great judge of the universe, he never condemned eher, neither did he malign her. He simply gave her the gift of no condemnation.

Homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion. Condemning and judging them can no way make them repent from it, rather it will intensify it. Christ is the only one who can truly make them free from that misdirected passion and desire, and our job is to point them to Him and not to condemn and vilify them. Jesus has not send us into the world to condemn and judge them for their short comings, but to make them know that they can be free from their sins through Christ in them. Many believers today behaves like the Pharisees that brought that woman caught in adultery to Jesus, they think to themselves that they have the power to judge the homosexuals, while their own sins are back tracked.

Jesus did not ask the Pharisees that brought the woman to him, if they have not fornicated before. Though there might be some of them who have not sinned( in terms of committing adultery) but certainly all of them have transgressed one way or another. MuttleyLaff, I am not judging you for your stand, but you are wrong with your stand.
I totally agree with all your submissions!

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