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|Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 5:37pm On Jun 04|
1. Religion had been allowed to prevail from the first year of the homo sapiens era to the 282,000th year of the homo sapiens era (spanning 282,000 years) but the world could not invent anything good with it.
2. It could neither invent paper nor pen. It could only invent war and strife.
3. It could neither invent barometer nor periscope, but it could only invent noises and riots.
4. It could neither invent microphone nor loudspeaker, but it could only invent false miracles and lies.
5. It could neither invent penicillin nor panadol, but it could only invent confusion and hatred.
6. It could neither invent scissors and selotape, but it could only invent gods and false witnesses.
7. It could neither invent telescope and thermometer, but it could only invent evil and wickedness.
8. It could neither mint paper money nor coins, but it could invent poverty and austerity.
9. It could neither mine gold nor refine petroleum, but it could invent lying stories and superstitions.
10. It could neither save lives nor cure sicknesses, but it could only endanger lives and cause insecurity.
11. It could neither increase true knowledge of nature nor help to define the nature of God Almighty, but it could only corrupt the laws of nature and falsify the nature of God Almighty.
12. It could neither breed peace nor bring world development, but it could breed terrorism and poverty of minds.
13. It could neither improve eyesight nor help in giving birth, but it could dim the mind and cause infanticide.
14. It could neither invent a paradise on earth nor peace of mind, but it could only invent hell fire in the mind and fear of afterlives.
15. It could neither invent rocket nor aeroplane, but it could only invent rapture and judgement day doom.
16. Science was not allowed to be freely practised until about 300 years ago, so it had spanned barely 300 years of free practice.
16. It has invented hydrometer and thermometer. It has also invented barometer, chronometer and photometer.
17. It has invented periscope, stethoscope, telescope and kaleidoscope. It has invented Spectroheliograph and seismograph, phonograph and addressograph.
18. It has also invented telephone, gramophone, megaphone and microphone.
19. It has invented ship, submarine, ferry, yacht and speedboat. It has also invented jet, aeroplane, helicopter and rocket.
20. It has invented fax machine, typewriter, printing machine and photocopier machine. It has also invented radio, television, video players, compact disk and memory cards.
21. It has invented camera, scanner, calculator, clock and tape recorder. It has also invented compact disk, diskette and memory card.
22. It has invented monocycle, bicycle, tricycle and automobile. It has also invented electricity, solar panel, power generator, inverter and incinerator.
23. It has invented computer, electric bell, electronic book, electric guitar, electric stove, electric blanket and electric sewing machine.
24. It has also invented toaster, soldering iron, pressing iron and rework station.
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 9:10am On Jun 12|
Nice topic, I was about creating same when I saw this one, all heads are connected .
Now let me add to this,
I've asked religious people severally;
If the following miracle were ever to occur, where will the happen, the church or medical science approach
1. A blind man seeing
2. a deaf man hearing
3. An amputee growing back a limb.
We all know these miracles don't happen no where else other than scientific approach.
Church miracles are staged otherwise it would be reported on CNN.
The best solution/miracles with evidences and facts we have gotten so far today are all through medical researches not prayer warriors
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 9:13am On Jun 12|
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by hakeem4(m): 9:24am On Jun 12|
This is cheating. One works with evidence while the other works with blind faith. Who do you expect to win
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by Funaki: 9:29am On Jun 12|
When they "heal" a mad man or a cripple, it'll always be reported by "a certain Facebook user". With the number of fake news on Facebook.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by Godssword1(m): 3:14pm On Jun 12|
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 3:23pm On Jun 12|
Is there truly competition between religion and science?
I don't think so.
Rather they compliment each other.
Science is there for inventions, religion is there to keep the mind and spirit with God.
So, both have their different roles to play.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 7:26pm On Jun 12|
Actually, they contradict themselves... Religion is based on myths and falsified histories.
For example, the creation story contradicts scientific facts. Talking of four corners of the earth or pillars of
the earth is a flat earth theory,,
Saying the moon is a light to rule the night contradict the fact that the moon does not have a light of its own.
Plants were created before the sun... Science proves that plants need sunlight to exist in the first place.
The flood story is an insult to science in all aspect.
The book of revelation speaks of falling stars, that's the height of ignorance because anyone who writes that stars will fall down to earth is writing from a cave man perspective...
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 8:12pm On Jun 12|
Tell me something.
no, it does not.
Can you prove that?
no, it isn't a flat earth theory.
Flat earth theory was the idea of ancient Roman catholic.
Four corners of the earth was how primitive humans could imagine what the earth looks like without the thought of it being a sphere or flat. It shows that people who documented scriptures at that period were never educated enough to know how the earth looks like.
what do you expect primitive humans to say when they saw the moon glowing at night?
Being primitive not to understand can never be said to be contradiction. It's like you are saying because a growing baby sees aeroplane flying just like birds are flying and therefore calls the aeroplane bird, then the baby is contradicting himself.
The baby does not know anything, he is still growing up and learning.
you did not see this one in the bible, it's not there.
that science teaches that flood cannot occur in nature?
falling stars are figurative language, it means a state of darkness. It does not necessarily mean that stars are falling to the earth
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 6:47pm On Jun 13|
Religion is not keeping mind and spirit with God, rather, it's keeping your mind and spirit with some past beings. For example, Christianity will keep your mind and spirit with Yahweh, who died some years back, while Islam will keep your mind and spirit with Allah(Abd Allah) who died some years back too. Science studies nature, which is a part of God Almighty, thereby keeping our minds and spirits with God Almighty (the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE).
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 10:32am On Jun 14|
OtemAtum:we are still saying the same thing. Only that you are trying to exclude Yahweh and Allah for whatever reason i do not know.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 11:52am On Jun 14|
At the bolded , you have said it all and that proves that the Bible is anti science, built on myths and exaggerated stories.
So why should we listen to a book written by people with cave men knowledge? Why should you devote your life to such ancient book when modern discoveries have taken over
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 11:54am On Jun 14|
Science is open to correction and modification.
Religion will tell u it has attained perfection and every fables written in their books are all perfect.
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 12:10pm On Jun 14|
realmindz:what are you talking.
Do you realize that science originated from primitivity?
That homo sapiens used crude implements like woods to till the soil and build bridges but today machines are used to do the same ?
you should be factual when you say things like this.
after modern discovery what next?
Ask Charles Darwin.
But within that book written by people with cave knowledge, there is life.
That's why you see millions going for it irrespective of their knowledge of science, because they have understood that no amount of science can bring one back to life when they die.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 12:19pm On Jun 14|
paxonel:We are not saying the same thing, having the knowledge of Atom which is the smallest particle of an element that can take part in a chemical reaction is more than a quintillion times greater than studying Yahweh and Allah combined. He who studies Atom (no matter how small it is) is capable of inventing many things more than he who study Yahweh and Allah all the rest of his life. Therefore the CONCENTRATION OF GOD ALMIGHTY in a substance as little as Atom is a googleplex times more than the concentration of God Almighty in Yahweh and Allah combined.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 12:42pm On Jun 14|
To you, are these past beings spirits or physical beings?
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 12:49pm On Jun 14|
paxonel:They were spiritual when they were in the spiritual realms. They were physical when they were on the planet earth. They died and became spiritual beings again.
You(Paxonel) were spiritual when you were in the spiritual realms(before you were brought into this earth consciousness). You are now physical as you are in this physical realm. Whenever you die, you will become a spiritual being again.
Now compare the two(you and them) and you will find out that there is no difference between you and Yahweh or Allah.
However, the only difference they made was that when they were on earth like you, they made people to worship them as God Almighty. Then after they were dead, people continued to worship them as God Almighty such that today many people now thought of them as God Almighty while they don't even come near.
If Olumba Olumba, Haille Selassie,Reverend King, Sat Guru Maharaji, Malaika, etc can have millions of worshippers after their death, then it won't be a shock when these people mentioned above become the 'God Almighty' to humans of the future, same way Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu etc who are past dead beings have now become the 'God Almighty' to some people today.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by Niflheim(m): 1:55pm On Jun 14|
This is a very powerful post!!! Do you remember David Koresh? His members worshipped him as the son of god(until the FBI killed him in a barnyard inferno)!!!
Have you heard of "OSHO"? Till today, his members insist that he never died, and that he was never born, because he always existed and he has gone to exist in another planet!!!
This is how religions start!!!
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 4:33pm On Jun 14|
Thanks so much for the two names you've brought up. Paxonel can add them to the list I made below, including Wanyioyi.
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 4:35pm On Jun 14|
All you are saying is that Yahweh and Allah currently are spiritual beings because they have died?
And the concentration of God almighty in atoms is much more than spirits like Yahweh and Allah.
Is God almighty spirit or physical?
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 4:39pm On Jun 14|
God ALMIGHTY is the totality of Existence. If God Almighty is just physical, then it is smaller than Existence itself because Existence is beyond physical. If God Almighty is just Spiritual, then it is smaller than Existence because Existence is more than Spiritual .
God Almighty is the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE and we are all minute parts of this Existence, that's why I always refer to everyone as gods.
Here is the History of How Yahweh Performed on Earth During his last incarnation on earth
B.C.E 16:34- 37
34. Now the rulership of Mosheh(Yahweh) was harsh. He manifested all the attributes of Yahweh whom he really was, for he killed many people who worked on the last day of the week, saying, it is evil against Yahweh. He killed also the worshipper of Sin, Baalim and Moloch in multitude, saying that they were abominable people.He also killed the blind, lame, hunch backed and all forms of disabled people, because he hated them from within.
35. He killed those who refused circumcision also and he ordered war against those who worship Asherah, the one whom they called the queen of heaven. He tried hard to replace the name ‘El’ with ‘Yahweh’ in many texts of the tablets and papyri, but he could not, for many were already attached to the name ‘El’ as ‘God Almighty’. 36. Now Mosheh(Yahweh) fell sick, so he went far from his land, saying, I shall not die where I shall be seen. So he cast himself in the red sea and died there, placing a tablet over his chest so that he could sink in the river. And on the tablet was written: I am YHWH, the God Almighty. 37. Then a man named Oshea found the corpse of mosheh (Yahweh) floating upon the river, because the tablet had rolled over and had sunken. And when Oshea checked the body of the dead, he found also on it: I am Yahweh, the God Almighty.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 5:07pm On Jun 14|
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by budaatum: 5:27pm On Jun 14|
realmindz:I would not agree that the Bible is anti science. I'd say people's misunderstanding of the Bible is what makes some people anti-science. As Paxonel said, the bible is primitive science.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 6:02pm On Jun 14|
OtemAtum:which includes the spiritual and the physical.
In Christianity we have it that God almighty is the creator of both the spiritual and the physical which may include your God almighty. In otherwords, the God almighty of Christianity created your God almighty. He is never the totality of existence rather, he created the totality of existence.
That means he existed before the totality of existence!
So you see, the God almighty you are talking about is never the God almighty of Christianity. They are two different entity.
But what i will say here is this.
It is not the nomenclature you give to an entity that matters, it is the true identity of the entity or what the entity is known for, that matters.
For instance, Suzuki is a brand known for producing motor cycles but there was a Japanese footballer who bears the name Suzuki and that is what he was known for, Suzuki the footballer.
The same thing applies, your religion may teach you that there was one Yahweh who did all the things you quoted here in your holy book, but the Yahweh Christians know in the bible was known for keeping covenants and promises.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by OtemAtum: 6:59pm On Jun 14|
paxonel:Are you trying to say that your god Yahweh does not exist? Because as far as your god exists, then he is also a part of Existence, which make your god a very negligible part of God Almighty, the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE.
God Almighty(Existence) is neither created and cannot be destroyed. Therefore this disqualifies Yahweh, a microorganism out of Existence, to claim the creator of Existence.
Also, there is nowhere in your bible where it stated that Yahweh your god created God Almighty, but in the book of Universal History, it was boldly documented how God Almighty made Yahweh your god to become a conscious
MCC 1: 14
14 . Now the names of some of these beings (created by God Almighty) are Knoliud, Miklas, Urim, Chimides, Chaleb, Eartum who is also called Atum, Largas, who is also called Allah,...Yahweh, Wanyioyi,... Abassi, Nzame, Nyame;
Paxonel: He is never the totality of existence rather, he created the totality of existence.This is the most contradictory thing I have ever read. You said that your god [b]existed before Existence, lol How could you use the word 'EXISTENCE' for your god when you are trying to exclude him from Existence? Can you just simply say that your god does not exist, since you don't want him to be associated with the word 'existence'
Paxonel: The same thing applies, your religion may teach you that there was one Yahweh who did all the things you quoted here in your holy book, but the Yahweh Christians know in the bible was known for keeping covenants and promises.It is this same Yahweh that committed suicide, no other one. If it is not true, may I not see tomorrow. Yahweh himself knows that I am telling the truth about him, unfortunately for him, he is currently in his spiritual cage, so he cannot do anything at the moment. Also, I don't have a religion. Read the Universal Book of History for more.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by Funaki: 7:46pm On Jun 14|
Niflheim:Similar to how Jesus appeared to only his followers after his resurrection. No one else saw him. He didn't appear in the synagogue, or temple or palace. Even when he flew to heaven in the sky, he was only seen by his followers
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 7:47pm On Jun 14|
The point still stands that the Bible is a primitive book.
You make a claim that people have found life in these primitive books and yet you are quick to accuse me of making a claim without being factual. Nothing could be more ambiguous than your claims
And I ask, why would u stick to primitive knowledge when you are in 21st century? You don't live in caves, you don't use sticks to hunt, why should u bury ur knowledge into primitive believes of cave men.
The same book predicted a future in the book of revelation, a future of scrolls and a battle fought with charitots, arrows and bows.... A future where stars will fall and moon will turn to blood.... And u a 21st century man have not lived long enough to speak of rockets, Ipads, computerized and technological advanced world
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by budaatum: 10:19pm On Jun 14|
realmindz:"Primitive", it may be, but relevant still, if read through the proper lenses (allegorical, metaphor, psychological, etc). We (some of us), still read very ancient texts and find a lot to learn from them.
Newton's apple, for instance, fell out of his alchemical studies from which he also learnt to make gold from dross and went on to run the Royal Mint, and Einstein's Relativity is found in the Corpus Hermeticum by those with the mind to see.
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|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 2:23am On Jun 15|
realmindz:no, you don't get what I'm saying.
Let me break it down again.
The book can never be primitive because it contains the validity that people and science were primitive in those days at the same time contains the validity of our endless future.
There has never been a book like that and there will never be any book like that again.
Do you know what it takes for a book to be best selling all over the world for centuries?
That means, there is something in that book that makes just more than a book.
when you make claims attach your facts to it that's all I'm saying.
Well, if they are ambiguous seek clarification or better still, don't seek clarification. But anytime you are willing to be clarified I'm always ready to explain.
put it this way, the book help us to know what the primitive people knew and what they didn't know and help us to understand what is obtainable today. Now, that is advancement of knowledge to us and not us being caved in primitive knowledge.
Ofcourse why do we study history in schools?
Do we now say because history books do not teach us how to use computers therefore we should discard it?
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by paxonel(m): 4:41am On Jun 15|
OtemAtum:this is why i asked, is your All mighty God spirit?
In Christianity, we believe there is one God and he is a spirit. Spirits are supernatural beings, that means they do not have physical body made up of matter, yet they can influence matter that's the only way they can be part of matter.
So, God exist as spirit and can only influence this physical existence, that's the only way he can be part of matter.
[No! that definition is for matter let's call a spade a spade.
Otherwise, you are saying that the existence of your Almighty God is restricted to matter and therefore he is not a spirit. You have to distinguish between spirit and matter,My bible has separated the two. John 3:6
we believe that there is one Almighty God called Yahweh! But like I have said before the name Yahweh is not important. What is important is, the Yahweh in the bible is known for keeping promises and covenants unlike the yahweh in your book of universal history
that is their own idea of who yahweh is, and that idea cannot be widely accepted to be the Yahweh of Christianity.
I will tell you why the Bible's account of Yahweh is widely accepted. The bible is straight-forward, it does not take invalid ideas from other religions to form the basics of it idea : If the bible is taking any idea from another religion, then that idea must be accepted and believed by people practicing that religion.
we have agreed that existence is beyond what we can see physically. I'm not excluding my God from existence, rather I'm saying that he exist as spirit. Even within that spiritual realm, he has existed long before the creation of spirits. I cannot be saying this on my own.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
These things include both physical and spiritual things such as angels.
It is this same Yahweh that committed suicide, no other one. If it is not true, may I not see tomorrow. Yahweh himself knows that I am telling the truth about him, unfortunately for him, he is currently in his spiritual cage, so he cannot do anything at the moment.
Anyway, Christians knows Yahweh as Jesus Christ. He lives in us as spirit, so whatever idea you have about Yahweh in the old testament is of no consequence to Christians.
I will take time to read about it. I just googled it.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 9:00am On Jun 15|
Lol, you must be kidding me.
You seem to be delibrately hiding from the points I threw at you running round the bush. Religion claims perfection when it's stuck in primitive claims and exaggerated myths....and I've gone ahead to list some of these claims and beliefs to you, yet you tactically avoided it.
A book from beginning speaking of creation of earth in 7 days and how plants were created before sunlight.. Till the last page of the book speaking of a future of scrolls, chariots, bows and arrows or Jesus arriving from the sky with his army of horses for a battle.
Now let me ask you, do you as a believer still believe that some day, this event will happen as predicted in the book of revelation, do u see a future war fought with bows and arrows in this modern age of rockets and nuclear bomb. Do u still think of a future of using scrolls when you are reading this comment from your computer device....
If you don't, then that book called bible has seen it's useful days.
|Re: Religion Vs Science: Check The Scores Here by realmindz: 9:14am On Jun 15|
At the bolded is the reason religion in its all arrogance in foolishness has refused to moved forward from archaic beliefs.
Perfection isn't true, nothing is perfect, once perfection is attained, then that's the end of knowledge. And that's the beauty of science.
Now let's go straight to the point and stop beating around the bush..
Let's start with genesis...
Why would you in all your modernity and scientific knowledge still hold on to claims that a supposed Yahweh spent 5 days creating a planet earth alone and then one day to create the rest of the universe...? You know why? the writers wrote from their primitive knowledge of their world, they saw their as the largest and most significant n the universe while those tiny dots in the skies called stars wont need more than just some a day to create... Just put the dots in the sky was their presumption.
The earth was created first before the rest of the galaxies and solar systems, however, earth is far younger in billions of years. How will the writers ever know this... They were so primitive
And yet, plants were created before the sun.
A rib was taken from Adam to make the woman.
We have the tale of a talking walking snake. (the bad guy, tortoise stories will be better)
The timing spoilt the story, Adam and eve till this age is not up to 10,000 years.... But the earth is over 4 billions years,
Address this simple questions pls
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