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Paul1604:

Hello man.. My first time on posting on nairaland so am new here
Anyways about your long post which you mentioned were you corrected the OP as someone who isn't filled with the spirit. You were right in some points raised like depending on the law for salvation is invalid as Christ has fulfilled the law. U said some practices still stand like tithing and that since Christ didn't say exclusively it should be stopped in the New Testament hence it's still valid Now tithing is an Old Testament law which was done for to help d levites people. U made mention of the priest collecting it like Aaron and even mechidezek. Remember when Jesus Christ fuffiled the law ie died for our sins he became the new priest after the order of mechidezek. So for we believers in the dispensation of grace, Christ is our high priest. And there is no record of Christ collecting tithes in his 30+ years on earth as a human it makes it surprising. Even when Christ mentioned tithing in the New Testament he didn't even go in detail into saying if we should continue it yet cos dose were Old Testament practixes so at that moment he has not fulfilled the law yet since he was still alive. It is just like when Christ taught the people our Lord's prayer. It says forgive us our sins as we forgive others. But now as believers our sins are forgiven already but Christ taught it like that cos he hasn't died to fulfill the law. If you say tithing is valid and you still do it as it is obvious from your message. Just take time today to check all verses where tithte was written in the Bible you will see that it was always food stuff only .then I know you will say it's cos dey were only farmers which isn't true cos Dey were blacksmith and carpenter and so on. There was money cos if you go back as far as Genesis where you see silver and shekels and what have you they only tithed on food. So if you wanna tithe self it has to be only food which you are obviously breaking. Then if you study the Bible again you will see dah when Dey even decided to tithe with money it was 30 percent. U need to study too cos you seem to act like you are a citadel of knowledge which is not d disposition of a true believer. So dah means you should be tithing 30percent.my brother free yourself from this mentality and give freely as commanded in the New Testament. If you want to give God 100 percent or even 50 or even 10 percent as long as you give from a happy heart Dahs wahs matters. That is what we as believers preach. Tithing has no impact on salvation. The position of a believer is to give to show thanks for Wah God has done. Selah

Go and study, you will see that Jesus who became our High Priest in the Order of Melchizedec was the same Melchizedec who collected tithe from Abraham which wasn't even agricultural produce alone.

austelright1:


You see why i said you don't understand the Bible as you claim. Why are you not practising the Passover night, the unleavened bread, wearing of one apparel, keeping your Beard's without shaving, sending your wife or sisters away when they are on their menses etc why are you not practising it since the law was not abolished.
Guy as of when Christ had not died the law was still in place because he had to fulfill it by his death and gives us grace. The practice of the new testament started when Christ resurrected and the apostles kept the new law which is Grace.

Those things you mentioned have been changed in the new testament. You don't read your Bible that's why you have seen where they were specifically changed. I can't go into details especially to educate you because I see that you don't read the Bible.

austelright1:


Who is using Bible translation? Guy go and study other Bible version and stop relying only on KJV because King James knew there are other Bible version that is why he called his own version KJV.

Read thread below to see why other translation s are bad and evil.


https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

ollah2:


Every tom, dick and harrry that has commented didn't detail the thread and neither did they attack christians or christianity. Same can't be said about muslim threads that hits front page on Fridays. We know how bigoted and hate filled Christians party on their threads with loads of negative words and images.

You are a blessed soul. The hatred for Islam and Muslims on this forum is from hell.

PrecisionFx:

U are a confusionist.

The bible has clearly stated that the old testament is obsolete, stop typing long irrelevant nonsense

Where did the Bible say so? If the Bible said such, how come the same Bible contains the Old testament?

austelright1:


The priest comes from the levites tribe. Which tribe do you think Aaron came from? it's from the tribe of levites and they are mandated to carry out priesthood functions.
My guy study your Bible very well.

Only the descendants of Aaron were priests. Today's priesthood is in the order of Melchizedec who received tithes

Cmeo:


If going by your assertion that the law is meant to make us live right on earth, then the tithe law has been replaced by Personal/Company Income Tax.

Give to Caesar what belongs to Caasar, and God what belongs to God.

Anndrew:
First,islam s a radical terrorist group..secondly,u cant comment in a muslim trend without swearing an oat bt every tom,dick and harry can comment in a christian trend without an oat...thirdly,Tribalism is major problem..afonja,yebo,ipob etc...Nigeria as a whole carry christianity and islam for head...lastly, Nigerians are hypocrisy....bishop,imam,pastors and prophet use naija to cash out as bet9ja..check d history of naija politics snce d tme of independent..hausa na sure pass...Nigeria itself is a fail nation....the topic abt sin in the forum,is a usless as Bleep...Damn

BITTERNESS!

alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.

Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.

Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.

According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.

Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.

He quoted the below passage.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.

One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.

So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.

But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.

Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.

All these preachers that keep mixing Chriastianity with Judaism, how exactly do you guys read the bible and still claim not to understand some simple things?

What has having tatoos got to do with anything in this day and age? The same chapter where it is written in Leviticus that you shouldn't put any ink on your body, that same chapter also instructs men not to ever shave the hair by the side of their face or wear any garment made of more than one type of fabric. But the way some preachers today condemn those with tatoos but intentionally / unintentionally ignore the other latter commands is quite confusing.

The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

Abraham was not under the Law, he tithed once (no record in the bible shows that it was repeated) and the most important thing is that he tithed 'willingly' (it was never a mandatory command for his to tithe).

Likewise Jacob, he tithed willingly as a personal sacrifice to God. Keypoint is that he did it willingly, he was never under any command to do so.

The only place where tithing was made mandatory in the bible was within the Laws of Moses. I understand your current argument is that even Christians in 2019 are still under the laws of Moses?... How then do you explain this verse in the book of Acts where Peter condemned people preaching this very gospel you are currently preaching?

Acts 15:10 - New International Version (NIV)

10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

The above verse were the words of Apostle Peter condemning the elders of the Church for insisting that if salvation must be preached to the Gentile believers, then the Laws of Moses must also be extended to Gentiles. Peter described the Laws of Moses as a burden which they (Jews) were not even able to keep.

My dear brother, it's never too late to learn, unlearn and re-learn. That's what 21st century literacy is truly about; accepting that what one has always known and believed might not be correct afterall.

Mk93:
many religious leaders will always attempt to disregard the old testament but when it comes to tithe, they look for every scripture to increase collection

You lack the true knowledge, whenever you hear the word OLD TESTAMENT refer to the old ordinance not about the old testament book.

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Go and study, you will see that Jesus who became our High Priest in the Order of Melchizedec was the same Melchizedec who collected tithe from Abraham which wasn't even agricultural produce alone.

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Just see your reply self. It's funny how you lack understanding. So you think I didn't know mechidezelk collected tithte from spoils of war which was given to him. And you don't find it worrying the New and supreme high priest never collected any titthe. And you are definitely shocked that you didn't know so much as you claim to know especially d 30 percent when you want to tithe in money. U think you know so much and y are always right. I don't have time to start to argue the word especially when you don't know you don't know. Tithing is not a thing for Christians but If a pastor still wants to talk about giving using the name tithing he has to tell it's members that it has no impact on salvation and that they should give freely from a heart of Thanksgiving and not give 10 percent or you won't make heaven or dah dere will be consequences on earth. God doesn't need your money or anything from you. He has it all but when you understand and become spirit filled you become a giver freely whether it's to help your church or the less privileged around you. It's a natural thing for all believers. Please be guided

Adakintroy:
Christ himself did not come to abolish the laws but to make them complete.

Ask yourself what is the law. It's just but a guide. To what?. To right way of living. If you are led by the Spirit which Christ came to teach us. We won't have need for the laws. For it will teach us all things and bring all things back to our rememberance.

The law became obsolete only because Christ introduce us to the spirit. Man will always need a guide to god. A better guide came in this form.

Aside the pharisee were using for the bascs for rightouseness. We're as its just faith

You said the Holy Spirit came to bring to our remembrance all things. How can you remember what you do not know? The Holy Spirit is actually here to remind us of the laws of the words of God or the laws of God

obailala:
All these preachers that keep mixing Chriastianity with Judaism, how exactly do you guys read the bible and still claim not to understand some simple things?

What has having tatoos got to do with anything in this day and age? The same chapter where it is written in Leviticus that you shouldn't put any ink on your body, that same chapter also instructs men not to ever shave the hair by the side of their face or wear any garment made of more than one type of fabric. But the way some preachers today condemn those with tatoos but intentionally / unintentionally ignore the other latter commands is quite confusing.

The blindfold covering your eyes dint allow you read my post towards understanding.

Those portions concerning shaving and clothing have been changed in the New Testament, but not tattoo. Ho and study

oyinda1599:
BITTERNESS!

Lolz,this isn't about bitterness,..This is abt nigeria as a whole...

alBHAGDADI:


The blindfold covering your eyes dint allow you read my post towards understanding.

Those portions concerning shaving and clothing have been changed in the New Testament, but not tattoo. Ho and study

How exactly or where exactly were laws on dual fabric garments and side hair shaving changed, and how come these were changed but irrelevant things like tatoo were not changed?...

Have you got any biblical evidence to prove your above assertions?... Help me uncover the blindfold on my eyes please, and kindly do so with verifiable evidence cos it's not enough to just yell me what your pastor or your spirit said and expect me to accept ir as truth... Thanks...

obailala:
All these preachers that keep mixing Chriastianity with Judaism, how exactly do you guys read the bible and still claim not to understand some simple things?

What has having tatoos got to do with anything in this day and age? The same chapter where it is written in Leviticus that you shouldn't put any ink on your body, that same chapter also instructs men not to ever shave the hair by the side of their face or wear any garment made of more than one type of fabric. But the way some preachers today condemn those with tatoos but intentionally / unintentionally ignore the other latter commands is quite confusing.

Abraham was not under the Law, he tithed once (no record in the bible shows that it was repeated) and the most important thing is that he tithed 'willingly' (it was never a mandatory command for his to tithe).

Likewise Jacob, he tithed willingly as a personal sacrifice to God. Keypoint is that he did it willingly, he was never under any command to do so.

The only place where tithing was made mandatory in the bible was within the Laws of Moses. I understand your current argument is that even Christians in 2019 are still under the laws of Moses?... How then do you explain this verse in the book of Acts where Peter condemned people preaching this very gospel you are currently preaching?

Acts 15:10 - New International Version (NIV)

10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

The above verse were the words of Apostle Peter condemning the elders of the Church for insisting that if salvation must be preached to the Gentile believers, then the Laws of Moses must also be extended to Gentiles. Peter described the Laws of Moses as a burden which they (Jews) were not even able to keep.

My dear brother, it's never too late to learn, unlearn and re-learn. That's what 21st century literacy is truly about; accepting that what one has always known and believed might not be correct afterall.

Since you've misunderstood Peter to be saying we gentiles should not obey the law, then kindly go and have hot sex with your mother and sister tonight which the law commands against. If you fail to disobey that law, then you are under the curse of the law for obeying it.

The way you people read the Bible is horrible.

obailala:
How exactly or where exactly were laws on dual fabric garments and side hair shaving change, and how come these were changed but irrelevant things like tatoo were not changed?... Have you got any biblical evidence to prove your above assertions?... Help me uncover the blindfold on my eyes please, and kindly do so with verifiable evidence.

I won't show you, because you claim to know it all despite not reading the bible. Ho and study the new testament cos I won't give what belongs to the child to dogs.

alBHAGDADI:


Since you've misunderstood Peter to be saying we gentiles should not obey the law, then kindly go and have hot sex with your mother and sister tonight which the law commands against. If you fail to disobey that law, then you are under the curse of the law for obeying it.

The way you people read the Bible is horrible.

Under the new testament, fornication, adultery, incest and all other forms of immorality were roundly condemned. That is very simple knowledge even to babies. You do not need the laws of Moses to know that.

It's wonderful how we now have preachers in 2019 who underatand the mind of God more than the Apostles who walked the earth with Christ.

kaen1317:
Every Tom, Dick and Harry is free to comment on christian related thread but when its an islamic thread nairaland will ask you to swear heaven and earth.. Every religion should be treated equally. It is very wrong to be one-sided

And you guys go ahead, swear the oath and spread hatred on Islamic threads anyway. Safe to say you guys don't care one bit about the oath, so stop ranting.

alBHAGDADI:


I won't show you, because you claim to know it all despite not reading the bible. Ho and study the new testament cos I won't give what belongs to the child to dogs.

No offence but this is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever come across in my entire life of discussing the bible. You claim to know the bible so well and what's in the new testament but you cant quote a single verse to support your argument; you only make conjectures... All these "my pastor/my papa said to me" Christians..

I challenge you from now till next year, show me where you claim in the new testament that laws on wearing dual fabric were abolished but laws on tatoo were upheld.

Nobody is forcing you to obey the law my Brother


THE LAW&GRACE


Act 20:24,John 1:15-18
"The Death the burial and Resurrection of Christ is the gospel of God which is the Gospel of grace"

�LAW
Anything Received ,Command which is meant to be obeyed

�GRACE
"That which are affords joy pleasure delight sweetness
Of the merciful kindness of which joy God exerting his Holy upon each soul turns them to christ,keeps strengthens increase them in christian faith,knowledge affection and kindness and kindles them to exercise of the christian Faith"


"The law was never given since the begin"
�WHO GAVE MOSES THE LAW:
Act 7:53,38
Galatians 3:19 , 4:1-5
"The law was given as a of guidiance when christ was yet to be revealed "
"The law was given to put end to sin"
"The law reveals punishment"
Hebrews 9:18-19

"The law was never perfect"

�THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW:
Ezekiel 20:11
"The law was made to be obeyed
Romans 10:5
Galatians 3:11-12
�"The Requirement of the Law is works"
"The real intent why the law was given is for people to move closer to God"
Romans 9:30-33 , Romans 4:2
2nd Timothy 1:9 , Galatians 2:16

�"The Atonement for defaulting of the law was the blood of bulls and goats"
Leviticus 17:11 6:30
Hebrews 9:20-22 , 10-14

�� "THE REQUIREMENT OF GRACE IS THE FAITH IN CHRIST"��

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JUNE/9/2019

Message As Delivered By: PASTOR DAVID GOODLUCK

alBHAGDADI:


Since you've misunderstood Peter to be saying we gentiles should not obey the law, then kindly go and have hot sex with your mother and sister tonight which the law commands against. If you fail to disobey that law, then you are under the curse of the law for obeying it.

The way you people read the Bible is horrible.

U are actually a someone who lacks understanding to a very high level. That we as believers shouldn't obey the law doesn't mean the person dah put up that post will go have sex with his mum or something. U even saying that means you need complete renewal of your mind .we believers are Christ like that's why we are called Christians. It means we follow the practices set by Christ while he was on earth and also those instructed to those who wrote the epistles and remaining part of the new testament through the Holy Spirit. Christ didn't go have sex with his mum so why will d brother do dat your assertion is just ridiculous. In Christ alone I can know I don't need to do those things stated in the law so I don't need the law as a believer. If you are under the law once you break one you break all. So you saying some are valid are not valid means you are still under the law. Someone like you will say it's a sin for a girl to wear trousers. U keep forming you know things. Like my brother said learn and relearn. Selah

obailala:
Under the new testament, fornication, adultery, incest and all other forms of immorality were roundly condemned. That is very simple knowledge even to babies. You do not need the laws of Moses to know that.

It's wonderful how we now have preachers in 2019 who underatand the mind of God more than the Apostles who walked the earth with Christ.

Shouldn't you see that the condemnation of those things you mentioned is an upholding of portions of the law? But I thought your kind said the law has been abolished. How come the new testament held on to those ones?


Mind you, it is not the laws of Moses but the laws of God. It is more simple knowledge that we all have. It is simple today because of the centuries of mankind obeying the laws of God. That's why it seems like common knowledge today. Still yet, people disobey them.

BenzEne1:


And you guys go ahead, swear the oath and spread hatred on Islamic threads anyway. Safe to say you guys don't care one bit about the oath, so stop ranting.

anyone that goes to any religious thread and write bad things is firewood for hell fire.

Paul1604:


U are actually a someone who lacks understanding to a very high level. That we as believers shouldn't obey the law doesn't mean the person dah put up that post will go have sex with his mum or something. U even saying that means you need complete renewal of your mind .we believers are Christ like that's why we are called Christians. It means we follow the practices set by Christ while he was on earth and also those instructed to those who wrote the epistles and remaining part of the new testament through the Holy Spirit. Christ didn't go have sex with his mum so why will d brother do dat your assertion is just ridiculous. In Christ alone I can know I don't need to do those things stated in the law so I don't need the law as a believer. If you are under the law once you break one you break all. So you saying some are valid are not valid means you are still under the law. Someone like you will say it's a sin for a girl to wear trousers. U keep forming you know things. Like my brother said learn and relearn. Selah

If the law had permitted people to sleep with their mother, do t you think Christ would have done so? He didn't because it was against His law. That's cleat Jesus setting an example which you don't know has to do with his law. He loved his neighbor as required of the law. You say you love your neighbor because Jesus did same, but you dont know that he was simply following the law. Following Jesus is same as following the law cos he said he didn't come to abolish it and that one jot won't pass away.

alBHAGDADI:


Since you've misunderstood Peter to be saying we gentiles should not obey the law, then kindly go and have hot sex with your mother and sister tonight which the law commands against. If you fail to disobey that law, then you are under the curse of the law for obeying it.

The way you people read the Bible is horrible.

Once again, the Pharisees originally rejected the idea of Gentiles being saved, but after they eventually got to terms with it, insisted that Gentile believers nust be made to obey the Laws of Moses. Below was the response of Apostle Peter:

Acts 15:10 - New International Version (NIV)

10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Since you claim I do not understand English language, can you knidly interpret the meaning of the above response by Peter in simple terms that I can understand. I never claimed I was a biblical scholar, but at least I have read this very Chapter 15 of the Acts of the Apostles several times. Every time I ask this question to people like you, the only response I get is simply, "you need the Spirit to understand it". Or simply "you dont understatand it". Can you please explain what is difiiicult to understand here?.. Thanks.

obailala:
No offence but this is the dumbest excuse I've ever come across in my entire life of discussing the bible. You claim to know the bible so well and what's in the new testament but you cant quote a single verse to support your argument; you only make conjectures... All these "my pastor/my papa said to me" Christians..

I challenge you from now till next year, show me where you claim in the new testament that laws on wearing dual fabric were abolished but laws on tatoo were upheld.

I won't show you because you claim to know, which you really don't. I will simply allow you to wallow in your pride.

alBHAGDADI:


Since the law has been discarded. make sure you sleep with your mother tonight, and don't use condom.

Hmmm, see Christian saying derogatory words to another human. where's love in all these things you are proving?
my view point is the right one, not yours mentality.

Shame on you if you are Christ-like.

alBHAGDADI:


You said the Holy Spirit came to bring to our remembrance all things. How can you remember what you do not know? The Holy Spirit is actually here to remind us of the laws of the words of God or the laws of God

You are confusing yourself. The holy spirit gives us direct link to God. Through his spirit we have direct access to god. He himself said there will come a time were this word will not be written in scroll but in our heart. That's the time of the spirit.

The law itself did not just appear. Holy men wrote them as they were carried along by the spirit.

What law did Moses or Enoch or Noah use to reach God

Even before tim as we know it bEgan the spirit had was existing. How did men came to know this for a spiral fact is what you should be asking.

Am talking knowledge of pretime.