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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 5:06pm On Sep 09
OkCornel:


Because you are being willfully blind to my responses. Just as you have been willfully blind to the testimonies on this thread. After all, you earlier stated you only read posts you are mentioned in, rather than all the updates on this thread.

And also evasive on the matters below;

1. Going to watch the video of an ex-satanist exposing the secrets of darkness...yet turning around to castigate the OP on the same matter, after encouraging him initially to do so (screenshot 1).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

2. The blasphemy of your mentor below (screenshot 2);
Is my wilful blindness responsible for your inability to understand TV's questions?

Who send you to expose the secrets of darkness?

I hope you that lying is a satanic trait? EnthronedbyGod made a hell of noise in 'SayNotoCultism's thread saying he wld tell the spiritual implication of cultism, when he began, he said he wld not expose every aspect of cultism, at this point I told to expose all except he was not done with cultism.
Does that translate to me telling him to go into demonology? This thread was initially not about demonology, it was about Children being forced Iinto school or street cultims without knowing the spiritual implications, so where did all these demons and their operations came from? Whose Apostle are you?

I have asked you over and over but you won't answer, Jesus called His disciples and put His words in their mouths to take it to the ends of the earth, Which gospel are you preaching here?

Don't be dishonest, except of course you working for satan.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 5:15pm On Sep 09
Anas09:

Ah, who be shaman?
The man that opened a thread on a public forum but hates to "argue", although He would try to "correct you in love" by his many, non scriptural doctrines , but if you disagree and would rather have the WORD, to him, you become a tool of Satan seeking attention, because apparently he was enthroned by God(according to one of his "revelations" ), and we all are but peasants because God nor call us, abi God call you? cheesy

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 5:34pm On Sep 09
Anas09:

Is my wilful blindness responsible for your inability to understand TV's questions?
Further lies... is it TV01 misunderstanding me or am I misunderstanding him? or are we rubbing minds?

Anas09:

Who send you to expose the secrets of darkness?

Do I look like the one exposing the secrets of darkness here? put on your glasses very well. Besides...Jesus must be wrong then to teach His disciples on handling demons...or exposing the operations of demons to Kenneth Hagin. That is not my area of concentration though...I have a different task to handle.

Anas09:

I hope you that lying is a satanic trait? EnthronedbyGod made a hell of noise in 'SayNotoCultism's thread saying he wld tell the spiritual implication of cultism, when he began, he said he wld not expose every aspect of cultism, at this point I told to expose all except he was not done with cultism.


Anas09 has automatically forgotten she encouraged the OP to expose the secrets of Satan, even after boldly declaring you went to watch the video of an ex-satanist. Let me refresh your memory again with the screenshot below. You clearly told the OP to EXPOSE SATAN AND HIS WORKS, AND SHAME SATAN after watching the video of an ex-satanist (Stephen Dollins) doing so.

Anas09:

Does that translate to me telling him to go into demonology? This thread was initially not about demonology, it was about Children being forced Iinto school or street cultims without knowing the spiritual implications, so where did all these demons and their operations came from? Whose Apostle are you?


Stop lying jare, even the video of the ex-satanist on youtube you watched (below) also exposed the operations of demons, and how to conjure them. So who do you think you are fooling here?

Go and ask Stephen Dollins or Kenneth Hagin whose Apostle they are. Smh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

And why aren't you even telling us what led you to watching stuff about Satanism on youtube in the first place? Hmmm?


Anas09:

I have asked you over and over but you won't answer, Jesus called His disciples and put His words in their mouths to take it to the ends of the earth, Which gospel are you preaching here?

Don't be dishonest, except of course you working for satan.

You mean the same Jesus that exposed the operations of demons to His Apostles, Kenneth Hagin and numerous other deliverance ministers? You're a joke.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 7:08pm On Sep 09
It's really ridiculous that people here don't know the kind of habitual liar that anas09 is.

She lied to you that she was on saynotocultism thread when EnthronedbyGod said he was going to open this thread.

That's a big fat lie for she came late to this thread and you can go and check when she started making comments here. She only saw the comments of people say so here, and that's what she is now claiming as if she was among those people with EnthronedbyGod at the time he talked about it.

Anas09 lies for local government, state, and country.

I wonder if there's any truth in what she poses to be here.

May God deliver us from all liars.


OkCornel:

Further lies... is it TV01 misunderstanding me or am I misunderstanding him? or are we rubbing minds?



Do I look like the one exposing the secrets of darkness here? put on your glasses very well. Besides...Jesus must be wrong then to teach His disciples on handling demons...or exposing the operations of demons to Kenneth Hagin. That is not my area of concentration though...I have a different task to handle.



Anas09 has automatically forgotten she encouraged the OP to expose the secrets of Satan, even after boldly declaring you went to watch the video of an ex-satanist. Let me refresh your memory again with the screenshot below. You clearly told the OP to EXPOSE SATAN AND HIS WORKS, AND SHAME SATAN after watching the video of an ex-satanist (Stephen Dollins) doing so.



Stop lying jare, even the video of the ex-satanist on youtube you watched (below) also exposed the operations of demons, and how to conjure them. So who do you think you are fooling here?

Go and ask Stephen Dollins or Kenneth Hagin whose Apostle they are. Smh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

And why aren't you even telling us what led you to watching stuff about Satanism on youtube in the first place? Hmmm?




You mean the same Jesus that exposed the operations of demons to His Apostles, Kenneth Hagin and numerous other deliverance ministers? You're a joke.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by TV01(m): 7:53pm On Sep 09
My primary purpose on posting, as always was to pose my position regards gospel truth. That is, weigh it against what I feel is being posited by other posters. They are a number of things which, if time permits, I will yet touch on regards this thread.

There are however other concerns that I am impressed to touch on. In all, I would sum them up as an “imprecatory” attitude, which, is not Christian. Menacing and often vengeful in its deployment, I would advise God-fearing people to refrain from it.

The first is a threat of divine retribution - typically accompanied by a self-arrogated status above other believers - when challenged or, if perhaps the cut and thrust gets heated. It is not necessary or befitting.

Secondly, there is the recourse to labelling. Typically labelling contrary posters Satanists, witches, Jezebels, or in some way possessing a demonic spirit. Indeed, there may be times where this is the case, it may even be glaringly apparent. The truth is real instances should actually be handled more sensitively. We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

Mostly such descriptions are not applied legitimately, but spitefully at best. By all means point out people’s errors, resist scripturally and with scripture, but let us eschew these kind of attacks.

The third, and possible worst, is something I’ve only seen on this thread. The notion that Christians that suffer illness are somehow lesser beings, or that there suffering is as a result of sin and, further delighting in the claim as a sort of judgement is in Christian terms, far beyond the pale.

In fact, if I had not counselled against labelling above, I may well be throwing around a few choice names myself at this point. This 3rd point could perhaps use a scriptural rejoinder?

This kind of thing can only take a downward trajectory, and can become culturally embedded if not stopped in its tracks. Believe me, this board will offer little by way of edification if it descends to that.

Many have fallen short here. In the hope that it will stop, I’ll not name and shame. Please, a word will hopefully be enough. On the contrary, let our words be seasoned with grace, me included. I know I can be testy lipsrsealed.


May The Lord help us all
TV

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 8:00pm On Sep 09
jesusjnr
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It's really ridiculous that people here don't know the kind of habitual liar that anas09 is.

She lied to you that she was on saynotocultism thread when EnthronedbyGod said he was going to open this thread.

That's a big fat lie for she came late to this thread and you can go and check when she started making comments here. She only saw the comments of people say so here, and that's what she is now claiming as if she was among those people with EnthronedbyGod at the time he talked about it.

Anas09 lies for local government, state, and country.

I wonder if there's any truth in what she poses to be here.

May God deliver us from all liars.


If I say you are as stupid as an idiot, I'd be insulting the clan of idiots. So when someone comments in a thread that is when he or she comes into that thread? I have been in so many threads, read from start to finish without connecting, including your stupid threads, does that mean I wasn't there?

Do you know how many people outside Nairaland i shared the link to that thread with? More than ten. I was there reading silently until towards the end before I commented.

I was in that thread before EnthronedbyGod said he wld open his own thread. You know why? I follow someone who was in that thread and i followed the guy 'SayNotoCultism'. So, from the early pages of that thread, I was there.
Keep calling me a liar maybe by doing so, I wld become one. Stupid ar.se.
Make mumu no kill you you hear?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 8:02pm On Sep 09
TV01:
My primary purpose on posting, as always was to pose my position regards gospel truth. That is, weigh it against what I feel is being posited by other posters. They are a number of things which, if time permits, I will yet touch on regards this thread.

There are however other concerns that I am impressed to touch on. In all, I would sum them up as an “imprecatory” attitude, which, is not Christian. Menacing in their deployment and, wiles I would advise God-fearing people to refrain from.

The first is a threat of divine retribution - typically accompanied by a self-arrogated status above other believers - when challenged or, if perhaps the cut and thrust gets heated. It is not necessary or befitting.

Secondly, there is the recourse to labelling. Typically labelling contrary posters Satanists, witches, Jezebels, or in some way possessing a demonic spirit. Indeed, there may be times where this is the case, it may even be glaringly apparent. The truth is real instances should actually be handled more sensitively. We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

Mostly such descriptions are not applied legitimately, but spitefully at best. By all means point out people’s errors, resist scripturally and with scripture, but let us eschew these kind of attacks.

The third, and possible worst, is something I’ve only seen on this thread. The notion that Christians that suffer illness are somehow lesser beings, or that there suffering is as a result of sin and, further delighting in the claim as a sort of judgement is in Christian terms, far beyond the pale.

In fact, if I had not counselled against labelling above, I may well be throwing around a few choice names myself at this point. This 3rd point could perhaps use a scriptural rejoinder?

This kind of thing can only take a downward trajectory, and can become culturally embedded if not stopped in its tracks. Believe me, this board will offer little by way of edification if it descends to that.

Many have fallen short here. In the hope that it will stop, I’ll not name and shame. Please, a word will hopefully be enough. On the contrary, let our words be seasoned with grace, me included. I know I can be testy lipsrsealed.


May The Lord help us all
TV
Let's see, if the proposed sanity & decorum will be embraced and how long they'll interval before the point when they're deemed not wanted or needed anymore
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 8:03pm On Sep 09
TV01:
My primary purpose on posting, as always was to pose my position regards gospel truth. That is, weigh it against what I feel is being posited by other posters. They are a number of things which, if time permits, I will yet touch on regards this thread.

There are however other concerns that I am impressed to touch on. In all, I would sum them up as an “imprecatory” attitude, which, is not Christian. Menacing and often vengeful in its deployment, I would advise God-fearing people to refrain from it.

The first is a threat of divine retribution - typically accompanied by a self-arrogated status above other believers - when challenged or, if perhaps the cut and thrust gets heated. It is not necessary or befitting.

Secondly, there is the recourse to labelling. Typically labelling contrary posters Satanists, witches, Jezebels, or in some way possessing a demonic spirit. Indeed, there may be times where this is the case, it may even be glaringly apparent. The truth is real instances should actually be handled more sensitively. We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

Mostly such descriptions are not applied legitimately, but spitefully at best. By all means point out people’s errors, resist scripturally and with scripture, but let us eschew these kind of attacks.

The third, and possible worst, is something I’ve only seen on this thread. The notion that Christians that suffer illness are somehow lesser beings, or that there suffering is as a result of sin and, further delighting in the claim as a sort of judgement is in Christian terms, far beyond the pale.

In fact, if I had not counselled against labelling above, I may well be throwing around a few choice names myself at this point. This 3rd point could perhaps use a scriptural rejoinder?

This kind of thing can only take a downward trajectory, and can become culturally embedded if not stopped in its tracks. Believe me, this board will offer little by way of edification if it descends to that.

Many have fallen short here. In the hope that it will stop, I’ll not name and shame. Please, a word will hopefully be enough. On the contrary, let our words be seasoned with grace, me included. I know I can be testy lipsrsealed.


May The Lord help us all
TV

Well spoken bro. God help us all.

Meanwhile... I still owe you a response. Will do so when I get home.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 8:40pm On Sep 09
OkCornel:

Further lies... is it TV01 misunderstanding me or am I misunderstanding him? or are we rubbing minds?
How did I lie? You can't help calling me a liar right? OKcornel, a liar tell lies, so anytime you call me a liar, point out my lies. You're misquoting scriptures everywhere which in essence is lying, yet you call me a liar.

Pls next time, say, this and that you said are lies instead of just calling me a liar.

OkCornel:

Do I look like the one exposing the secrets of darkness here? put on your glasses very well. Besides...Jesus must be wrong then to teach His disciples on handling demons...or exposing the operations of demons to Kenneth Hagin. That is not my area of concentration though...I have a different task to handle.
You can't stop lying can you? Where did Jesus teach people how to handle demons? How many times will you be busted at this before you'd stop?
This is how people leave the gospel to preach other people. If you can do a quarter of what Jesus taught, you'd be heaven bound, but you left it all to focus on someone's personal revelations.

OkCornel:

Stop lying jare, even the video of the ex-satanist on youtube you watched (below) also exposed the operations of demons, and how to conjure them. So who do you think you are fooling here?
You won't have known that guy if I didn't mention him to EnthronedbyGod. I told EnthronedbyGod that that guy didn't leave anything he ever did behind, so he shd expose every cultism activities if he wanted to help the youths, but here you are boasting as tho you discovered him by yourself.

OkCornel:

Anas09 has automatically forgotten she encouraged the OP to expose the secrets of Satan, even after boldly declaring you went to watch the video of an ex-satanist. Let me refresh your memory again with the screenshot below. You clearly told the OP to EXPOSE SATAN AND HIS WORKS, AND SHAME SATAN after watching the video of an ex-satanist (Stephen Dollins) doing so.
Keep lying yet calling me a liar. I didn't encourage him to expose the secrets of satan.
EnthronedbyGod by God said he wouldn't go into everything he did in school as regards cultism, I told him to tell it all is he was really done with cultism. It was at that point I mention Stephen Dollin to him saying, Stephen told it all. And Stephen Dollin didn't tell the names of demons and their operations. He warned parents to look out for their kids and know what has satanic symbols and to keep them away from them.

OkCornel:

Go and ask Stephen Dollins or Kenneth Hagin whose Apostle they are. Smh.
You have no grounds upon which to stand on so you? You wld rather preach men's encounters than Jesus. SHAME.


OkCornel:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

And why aren't you even telling us what led you to watching stuff about Satanism on youtube in the first place? Hmmm?
Someone posted that link here sone years ago I watched it. And that man didn't tech about demons like EnthronedbyGod and you do and are still doing here.
EnthronedbyGod was here lying that he never got his information from the internet, that even made him more suspicious

OkCornel:

You mean the same Jesus that exposed the operations of demons to His Apostles, Kenneth Hagin and numerous other deliverance ministers? You're a joke.
This guy, you are impossible. Preach the gospel of Jesus, not of Kenneth E. Hagin.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 8:43pm On Sep 09
michaelkaroh:

The man that opened a thread on a public forum but hates to "argue", although He would try to "correct you in love" by his many, non scriptural doctrines , but if you disagree and would rather have the WORD, to him, you become a tool of Satan seeking attention, because apparently he was enthroned by God(according to one of his "revelations" ), and we all are but peasants because God nor call us, abi God call you? cheesy
Hahahahahahaha. No, God no call me o. Na only them God call.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 8:52pm On Sep 09
OkCornel:


Well spoken bro. God help us all.

Meanwhile... I still owe you a response. Will do so when I get home.
Yet you called me a liar with nothing to prove.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Mariangeles: 9:49pm On Sep 09
michaelkaroh:

The man that opened a thread on a public forum but hates to "argue", although He would try to "correct you in love" by his many, non scriptural doctrines , but if you disagree and would rather have the WORD, to him, you become a tool of Satan seeking attention, because apparently he was enthroned by God(according to one of his "revelations" ), and we all are but peasants because God nor call us, abi God call you? cheesy
grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 10:09pm On Sep 09
Anas09:


If I say you are as stupid as an idiot, I'd be insulting the clan of idiots. So when someone comments in a thread that is when he or she comes into that thread? I have been in so many threads, read from start to finish without connecting, including your stupid threads, does that mean I wasn't there?

Do you know how many people outside Nairaland i shared the link to that thread with? More than ten. I was there reading silently until towards the end before I commented.

I was in that thread before EnthronedbyGod said he wld open his own thread. You know why? I follow someone who was in that thread and i followed the guy 'SayNotoCultism'. So, from the early pages of that thread, I was there.
Keep calling me a liar maybe by doing so, I wld become one. Stupid ar.se.
Make mumu no kill you you hear?
Look at this one oh!

As if you needed for me to say it for you to be one?

Your lies on this thread alone are so stark, it to would take the blind to miss it.

So stop fooling yourself to think I was the one that exposed you, because your lies are too obvious and have found you out.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 10:12pm On Sep 09
Anas09:

How did I lie? You can't help calling me a liar right? OKcornel, a liar tell lies, so anytime you call me a liar, point out my lies. You're misquoting scriptures everywhere which in essence is lying, yet you call me a liar.
Anas09, start showing everyone on this thread where I misquoted scriptures.

Anas09:

Pls next time, say, this and that you said are lies instead of just calling me a liar.

I will give you an example of the latest lie you just told on Stephen Dollins in the youtube video you watched. You lied he never taught about demons and their operations abi?

Please anyone should start by checking the time stamp on the video below from 36 minutes 20 seconds to 39 minutes 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU
You see Stephen Dollins giving detailed explanation on how he was admitted to the church of satan, to how he summoned a demon called ashtaroth a high-ranked demon to go attack a born-again believer in Christ that threatened to expose their coven. And how to put a hex on the born-again believer. And how the whole mission failed eventually.

Anas09...stop telling lies.



Anas09:

You can't stop lying can you? Where did Jesus teach people how to handle demons? How many times will you be busted at this before you'd stop?


And for the umpteenth time, tell everyone what Jesus was teaching His disciples in Matthew 17 v 15 -21; Matthew 12 v 43-45; Luke 9 v 49-50.

Anas09:

This is how people leave the gospel to preach other people. If you can do a quarter of what Jesus taught, you'd be heaven bound, but you left it all to focus on someone's personal revelations.

Sorry, remind me again...where did Kenneth Hagin get his revelation on operations of evil spirits from? His fantasies?

Anas09:

You won't have known that guy if I didn't mention him to EnthronedbyGod. I told EnthronedbyGod that that guy didn't leave anything he ever did behind, so he shd expose every cultism activities if he wanted to help the youths, but here you are boasting as tho you discovered him by yourself.


See diversion tactics, who is talking about who discovered what? The point here is that you went to watch an ex-satanist's (Stephen Dollins) video exposing the secrets and works of satanism, and encouraged the OP to EXPOSE THE WORKS OF SATAN AND SHAME HIM. The OP did the same thing as Stephen Dollins did...but you later went ahead to attack the OP because your differences with Jesusjnr. It is damn too clear here.

Anas09:

Keep lying yet calling me a liar. I didn't encourage him to expose the secrets of satan.
EnthronedbyGod by God said he wouldn't go into everything he did in school as regards cultism, I told him to tell it all is he was really done with cultism. It was at that point I mention Stephen Dollin to him saying, Stephen told it all. And Stephen Dollin didn't tell the names of demons and their operations. He warned parents to look out for their kids and know what has satanic symbols and to keep them away from them.
Anas09, please look at the screenshot below and refresh your memory again. You told the OP to expose Satan and shame him. Abi was it another person that hacked into your account to type that?

And coming to tell us Stephen Dollin didn't tell names of demons and their operations in that 4 hour long video is a blatant lie.

Anas09:

You have no grounds upon which to stand on so you? You wld rather preach men's encounters than Jesus. SHAME.

How low can you sink? Tell me...what's the difference in preaching the Acts of the Apostles, then the Acts of God's Generals that lived outside the Bible times or that of Kenneth Hagin? or is it only in the Bible era God used people?

Oh, so it's now a thing of shame to preach the testimony of others abi? Or wait...Kenneth Hagin wasn't preaching Jesus? is that your point here? Abi we should also disregard the Acts of the Apostles since that one also spoke on the Apostle's encounters?

Anas09:

Someone posted that link here sone years ago I watched it. And that man didn't tech about demons like EnthronedbyGod and you do and are still doing here.
EnthronedbyGod was here lying that he never got his information from the internet, that even made him more suspicious
Keep on lying that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, wizards, witches, the church of satan e.t.c in that video. Keep on lying ehn...

Oh wait, so the goal post has now shifted to Stephen Dollins never taught about demons to... Stephen Dollins didn't teach about demons like the OP did? Wetin be this abeg cheesy cheesy cheesy

Anas09:

This guy, you are impossible. Preach the gospel of Jesus, not of Kenneth E. Hagin.


Oh my bad... so Kenneth Hagin wasn't preaching the gospel of Jesus? Interesting...

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 10:15pm On Sep 09
Anas09:

Yet you called me a liar with nothing to prove.

Yeah, repeat yourself again and tell us Stephen Dollins never spoke about demons and their operations in that video...

Or tell us you didn't encourage the OP to expose Satan and shame him. Look at the screenshot again and refresh your memory.

"SATAN LIKES TO HIDE AND MAKES SURE HIS PEOPLE HIDES AND WHAT HE DOES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO, IF IN A CLOSED AND FACELESS FORUM LIKE THIS, YOU STILL HIDE, SATAN STILL HAS GLORY.

EXPOSE SATAN AND HIS WORKS IF YOU ARE REALLY DONE WITH HIM."


Inspirational Quote of the Year: Signed Anas09, 2019.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 10:17pm On Sep 09
What does it mean to be called by God?
Many just imagine themselves being equal to others by reason of the physical. God can confirm the wise thing in seemingly foólish ways and I wonder why everybody has to claim being called.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 10:26pm On Sep 09
Matthew 17 v 15-21;
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Luke 9 v 43-45;
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


Luke 9 v 49-50
49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.



PLEASE CAN SOMEONE LOOK AT THESE PASSAGES AND TELL ME THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNING WITH HOLY ANGELS? undecided

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 10:42pm On Sep 09
Anas09:

Hahahahahahaha. No, God no call me o. Na only them God call.

cheesy cheesy

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 10:43pm On Sep 09

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 12:13am On Sep 10
OkCornel:
Matthew 17 v 15-21;
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Luke 9 v 43-45;
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


Luke 9 v 49-50
49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.



PLEASE CAN SOMEONE LOOK AT THESE PASSAGES AND TELL ME THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNING WITH HOLY ANGELS? undecided



Lol!

Please bro I beg of you, don't let them know that Jesus also said this wink

Matthew 12:26 (KJV)

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 12:47am On Sep 10
TV01:
The essence of the scripture is the gospel. As long as that is captured whole in the canon, why does this question arise? Please make a concise point here.
1. Is there a limit to what is defined as scriptures?
2. If yes...how many books are regarded as Spirit breathed and inspired scriptures?

TV01:

From the POV of Gods unfolding plan of redemption, the saving work of The Lord Jesus Christ, do we need truth outside the "Gospel Truth". Or put anther way, is there "truth" outside the gospel that is required to make our calling and election sure?
For those who have heard and known of Jesus, No. I need more clarity on the calling and election bit you spoke of. The vision of John concerning the great white throne judgment raises more questions begging for answers. I really don't want to derail this thread with another long series of talk on that.

TV01:

Yes God knows everything, do we need to know everything likewise? And specifically, do we need to know in order to apprehend the gospel. The "All Truth" from the scriptures has a context and application. Yet you would use that from the scripture to render the same scripture void?
I would like to know how I have voided the scripture by stating no set books on earth can document ALL TRUTH.

The Bible as you have it is replete with examples of what the Spirit can do in terms of wisdom for example. Joseph's ability to interpret dreams and profer solutions is a good example. Daniel's outstanding and stellar service to the Kingdom of Babylon and Persia/Medes is a good example.
Revelations given to Elijah and Elisha concerning matters relating to Israel at various points in time that also came to pass while they were alive are examples of TRUTH revealed by the Spirit of God that proved itself true. Matters of prophecy, wisdom in administration e.t.c.


TV01:

Please make your points substantive. Give examples of truth not revealed in scripture which would materially change the gospel message or Christian orthodoxy. Kindly detail some of this unwritten truth for us to consider
Sorry, I'm still looking for where I gave the indication unwritten truth voids written truth. Where did I give that indication?

TV01:

And any such knowledge or prophecy will perfectly accord with the gospel as revealed. If it is a "personal" intimation, then it has no need to be "generally published" or a concern of the body, and will not materially change the gospel or orthodoxy.
If God gives you a prophecy concerning Nigeria that comes to pass exactly as revealed...please where can such a revelation be found in the scriptures?

Wait a minute, let me get you here, are you telling us the Truth the Holy Spirit leads one to is limited to the gospel? As in the Holy Spirit has no say in the day to day decisions you make? That will go a long way in clarifying what our positions are on ALL TRUTH.

TV01:

Further, there are other spirits out there that a person can be led by. Your insistence that The Holy Spirit leads people into general revelation that is yet unwritten needs to be supported by evidence.
Please what do you call revelations/prophecies from God given for this time frame we exist in that comes to pass? That these revelations are unwritten, does it make anything less a TRUTH?

TV01:

1. Another statement in which I struggle to see any substance? Yes, truth does prove itself over time, does that mean it cannot be immediate. The proclamation of Jesus' divinity by Peter which you love to point to - did that have to incubate? Unction was given, it was spoken and it has endured. Has the truth of the gospel in any part been falsified at any point?
Whether the TIME FRAME is immediate, or in a long time...truth proves itself to be true. We exist in the realm of time. Truth proves itself with the passage of time. Unless your understanding of passage of time only applies to time frames beyond a day. And nope, the truth of the gospel has not been falsified at any point.

Going back to the example of Peter, only He was the first man to acknowledge the identity of Jesus (quite an unpopular opinion bordering on blasphemy at that time in a Judaistic setting). As time went on, the Truth concerning the identity of Jesus proved itself, and was spread to the ends of the earth and popularly accepted today.

TV01:

2. Yes the Holy Spirit moves. Case in point, convicted me and revealed Christ to me, does that need to be canonised?

What is the point of insisting on canonical additions or changes or expanding the canon if the gospel is not materially changed? And, if you have any "truth" - written or unwritten - which does just that, please share, or this whole exercise becomes rather pointless - for it's own sake

Heard of progressive revelation? Speaking particularly to issues prevalent in our own times? What of prophecies heard of by ancient prophets (e.g. Daniel & John) but its meanings and writings sealed away for the times of the end?

Whatever the Holy Spirit tells you is the word of God, and not your thoughts. That is unwritten in a set of books does not make it anything less of the truth.

TV01:

I did answer. It was unction given by the Holy Spirit and uttered in that age, during that time of Gods unfolding purpose. It is now canonised as scripture. You are attempting to make a point for extra-canonical scripture, by referring to something that is canonised? I also pointed out that Jesus could be discerned from the scripture extant at the time.
Scriptures such as letters of the Apostles to various believers in the early church also made references to the scriptures that came before them...so what's the matter here?

By the way, I am still asking, why didn't Jesus or the Apostles deem it necessary to cap the scriptures to a particular number of books in their lifetime? Believers that lived since the ascension of Jesus up till the Revelation of John (AD 33 to AD 95), why weren't they closed minded to accept only the teachings of Jesus and the Torah as scriptures but the writings of the Apostles as mere devotionals?

TV01:

The acts that were written were comprehensive, if not exhaustive. Note the point in scripture about the huge effort that would be required to record all The Lords acts. It did not need to be an exhaustive record. That which was captured details all we require.

The prophecies about The Lord said inter-alia, he would heal, set free etc. Multiple instances of all those things are captured. Again, what is your point?
My point is, the entire truth cannot be written in a set of books. Well, unless you are implying the unrecorded acts of Jesus for example are irrelevant, and only the written part is.

TV01:

If John records the truth of Z number of miracles, yet The Lord actually did 70 x Z, are we somehow missing truth? Is the gospel patchy or otherwise insufficient. Please present something substantive.
In there you have your answers. A part does not represent the whole. Written truth is a subset of the complete truth. For example, I can't help but wonder why details concerning the life of Jesus between age 12-30 were left out of the canonized scriptures. So much emphasis on the start and the finish...with no stories of the Work In Progress for people learn from. I really can't help but wonder why.

TV01:

And like I said, if it doesn't invalidate the gospel or materially add to it, then it's not-canonical. If you claim there are sent apostles and prophets in this age who have material general revelation, then please provide evidence for us to consider.


The letters of the Apostles never invalidated the gospel. Did they add materially to the teachings of Jesus? nothing too different from what Jesus preached...and yet they were canonized. What makes the Apostles different from God's Generals (if you've read that book)?

TV01:

Kindly share some of this unwritten truth with those of us who hold dearly to the written truth of the gospel - let's see practical application of the "truth" framework you provided, otherwise it remains baseless and merely assertive
I don't know of any unwritten truth that counters the written truth in the scriptures. The only ones I'm aware of either complements the scriptures, or are relevant to issues in today's world, but is still the truth anyways. Like this one in the link below and the screenshot below;
https://www.nairaland.com/5397134/daddy-freeze-okada-man-saved#81900076

Didn't have to read any Scripture to come up with that. But people with religious leanings might start looking up their holy books to see how it relates.

TV01:

That susceptibility would have been in part due to the lack of an authoritative canon
False. Does having authoritative canon today make believers immune from the wiles of false teachers and their deceit?
What authoritative canon did the Berean Christians (Acts 17 v 11) use to test the veracity of Paul's teachings?

TV01:

1. I made no such claim - more later.
2. That is besides the point. They early church father writings are here, we can read them. Do they contain anything that materially changes the gospel? Then they do not need to be included. Do they edify?? Then they can be read. Where they inspired. Did they claim inspiration? And even if they were, does every inspired utterance or writing have to be canonised?
There are Epistles of the early church fathers that ticks all these boxes. So now, if Spiritual inspiration does not serve as a basis for canonization, what exactly is? Living and writing inspired scriptures in the era between AD 33 to AD 95?

TV01:

Asked and answered - exactly the same as Peters proclamation about The Lord Jesus Christ.

Nah, this doesn't fly at all. You said the Truth revealed by the Holy Spirit is the glorious light of the marvellous gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ, which is the power of God to salvation. How does the truth the Holy Spirit revealed concerning the lies of Ananias and Sapphira fit into this context?

TV01:

If by all text you mean all Christian type text, or all claimed holy text I don't know, and from a gospel perspective I don't believe I need to.

I see the error here as thinking all truth means "everything about everything". The angel proclaimed to Zacharias whom he was and how he "stood in the presence of God" and had been sent.


Now, I suppose that through time, there have been numerous instructions from God to Angel Gabriel and a number of significant events as a result. Do I need to be led into the truth of them all? Do I as a gospel believer, as a Christian need to see the meeting minutes. Will they be in any way instructive or guide my walk?

Your use of "ALL TRUTH" is nebulous at best Substantiate what import this usage has, if any, with real detail.


ALL TRUTH yes...everything of everything if relevant. Is the Holy Spirit just there for you to consult on Spiritual/Religious matters? Is He not also concerned with key decisions in your day to day life for example as regards your vocation, academics e.t.c. to give you understanding and direction in attaining outstanding results?

Are we limiting the scope of the Holy Spirit to just one sphere of our lives?

TV01:

Kindly read through to verse 15, there are clearly parameters to what the "all" consisted of. And as always, you are invited to show otherwise.
ALL means ALL. Unless ALL now means SOME.

TV01:

I shouldn't have to, but for expediencies sake; The NT canon is essentially the life of he Lord and the acts and experience of the Apostles. When The Lord was here on earth and when the Apostles were around the canon was essentially with us (and being played out, filmed in a sense) but not all written. Those who could refute the heresy with direct testimony where as it were, on ground. Now they are not and we have a completed canon. This is no longer that very specific apostolic and foundation era.

You again made reference to a completed canon...yet you are hesitating to give us the number of books that makes up this completed canon.

TV01:

1. Yes
2. Indeed, I woul dthat you would first show how we witness to those claiming to be "modern day apostles. As for the gifts and fruit, Again yes. Indeed the gifts for the church are clearly outlined and the fruits are evidentiary/testing tools
I don't mistake anything. My point is that the written truth of the gospel is sufficient for the Christian apprehension of Gods redemptive purpose in Christ Jesus.
And a question that has been begging for an answer is, how many books makes up this written truth of the gospel?

TV01:

I was being polite calling you over-sabi grin. And kind when I term this another unsubstantiated statement

Oh... thank you sir for being so kind.

TV01:

No I haven't. I am asking you to demonstrate your claim to unwritten truth. Specifically where it materially alters the gospel. Either by yourself or one of "the modern day apostles" you bear witness to. This should not be too onerous and present an end to all discussion cool.

Where is this matter of unwritten truth materially altering the gospel cropping up from? Where have I made any claim of unwritten truth contradicting any written gospel? Abi isn't truth meant to complement itself irrespective of whatever form it takes (either in words, symbols, audio-visuals e.t.c)?

TV01:

For your individual walk with God, by all means go direct - that is my byword. But for family of potentially billions, separated by a number of things, how would you present a unified message to them all? What nation has a leader who alone knows the constitution and presents it to each citizen individually?

A Bible?

TV01:

As you please

And the guidance that The Holy Spirit gave was scriptural references. The leading into the wilderness was about The Lords personal mission. Are all believers required to go into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil as part of their walks?
Nah, you're going off tangent here. If the scripture is the first point of reference, rather than the Holy Spirit that inspired those scriptures...is that not wandering around without a guide, thus leading one into confusion? The Holy Spirit's inspiration, guidance and direction was the difference between both Jesus and Devil that knew the scriptures. One had him, the other didn't.

TV01:

1. Really grin. Let me put it like this - when I am physically present with my wife, I am not reading the letters she has written me cool
2. The pre-flood patriarchs lived vast ages. There was much generational overlap and there would have been a strong oral tradition. From the beginning, the presence and knowledge of God was real and known.

Adam communed with God and all his immediate descendants would have learnt about this. They couldn't not know who God was. Even Cain and Abel conversed directly? They understood what led to the post-fall state.

Thank you, so in the absence of written truth, men still knew the truth. Apart from oral traditions, they conversed with God directly. Even calling upon His name in the days of Enosh.

TV01:

See, I read non-canonical writings and appreciate some non-scriptural truths, hoping to glean insights that can be woven together lipsrsealed.
Yeah, doing that as well. And it is insightful, but then it is a vastly uncharted territory most are skeptical to get to, most likely due to fear of confusion and all sorts

TV01:

Unless you have something that clearly demonstrates the truth of your assertions, I believe we are all but done here. I possibly have a further note on some of my observations here and that should be it for me. I no get stamina for 80 pagers again jor.

Cheers
TV
Mehn, I no wan waste much ink on this matter. In the days to come, I intend to pen down those non-canonical writings on this platform and have a discussion on lessons that can be learned. Not with close minded religious zealots though...

Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 1:21am On Sep 10
jesusjnr:
Lol!

Please bro I beg of you, don't let them know that Jesus also said this wink

Matthew 12:26 (KJV)

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

They will still tell you it's not Satan and evil spirits Jesus was referring to.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 2:45am On Sep 10
This is a message worth listening to.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJrp83_lFo


Apostle Gino Jennings - Churches have lost power with God.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 5:25am On Sep 10
OkCornel:


They will still tell you it's not Satan and evil spirits Jesus was referring to.

Lol!

Since it's Jesus it would be theology, but because it's EnthronedbyGod it is called demonology.

Obviously some have genuine concerns here but for anas09 and some others here like that homosexualist guy, na original smokescreen.

But mark my words bro, EnthronedbyGod would be vindicated by God on this same thread.

Glory be to God.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 5:44am On Sep 10
jesusjnr:
Lol!
Please bro I beg of you, don't let them know that Jesus also said this wink

Matthew 12:26 (KJV)
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Before you begin proof texting that verse and twisting it, like a lurking in the grass, twisting slithering and slimy green snake that you are, first go and learn what a consequential comment is, what it means, how it comes about and then next begin get understanding why the Matthew 12:26 response comment was made by Jesus

jesusjnr:
Lol!
Since it's Jesus it would be theology, but because it's EnthronedbyGod it is called demonology.
Obviously some have genuine concerns here but for anas09 and some others here like that homosexualist guy, na original smokescreen.
@^^^ smiley

jesusjnr:
But mark my words bro, EnthronedbyGod would be vindicated by God on this same thread.

Glory be to God.
"No matter how much a snake sheds the skin. It's still a snake

Too many snakes in the Religion forum, and not enough ladders!!!

Havent you been told, that, I don't do arguments jesusjnr?
Did you really think, standing up to you has anything to do with me or finding who is right?
jesusjnr no!. Far from it

It has nothing to do with arguments
How can I get into argument with you when I havent ignorances on Paul, to trade with and exchange for your ignorances?


One of the most sincere forms of respect is actually listening to what another has to say,
but then often times, the ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance jesusjnr

It's not about you versus me
It's about you and me versus the wrong/false accusations you level at Paul

It's about unmasking you, yeah, the masquerade, for that's what you are
and exposing your unfruitful works of darkness+iniquities, like for example, the slander of Paul. You are at sea. It's that simple

My philosophy is non-violence jesusjnr, but always appear keen to face up to & deal with a problem and be ready for battle...

I know all your false accusations are unfounded
Now, you being one, that does understands the meaning of honour and integrity jesusjnr
can be expected to know the needful that needs to be done here about this your blatant lie

I am lowering my standards, if to wrestle you.
Besides I never wrestle a pig.
Bad move, poor judgment and taste it'll be, as the pig and I will both get dirty,
but unlike me, the pig likes and enjoys the dirt.

Do sycophant, arse-lickers & arse-kissers bullshitters always need to stoop as low as you've written so?
Arse-lickers & arse-kissers bullshitters like you, are always the first post false bullshits & start drama


I'll whoop your bumbum, your brain will reset and your false bullshits & drama evaporate. Mtcheew.
No wonder you're the arse-licker & arse-kisser, and I am an arse-kicker.

Your insecurities are loud
Your boastings and gloating to luvmijeje confirms you shamelessly need regard & appreciation from her
Stop seeking recognition and validation from people! jesusjnr
All these your, sucking up to luvmijeje, especially, is unflattering
and your all of a sudden, lately attention-seeking, famzing Freeze, all over the forum, haba, is cringeworthy!


Repent brother because the day of reckoning for your slander and impudence, is round the corner, about to happen.
"
- Re: Daddy Freeze: The Second Coming Of John The Baptist by MuttleyLaff: 8:44am On Dec 27, 2018

"I know all, each what you jesusjnr and EnthronebyGod are doing and being up to

Argh, this is so wrong, yuck, WORMS coming out of the woodwork, LEECHEES crawling out of the DARK, RATS coming out of their holes they call home and LURKING GREEN SNAKE IN THE GREEN GRASS, the confirmed and bonafide likes of jesusjnr, comes out in the open and begins to sing too.

The woodwork creaks and out comes the freak, jesusjnr.
"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 8:17am On Aug 24

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 6:49am On Sep 10
jesusjnr:


Hence God used EnthronedbyGod to confirm my claim of Jesus' appearance to me on this same thread where it was questioned.

But that now led to some christians questioning the image of Jesus which appeared to the Op (that's inclusive of those who initially believed the Op claims of visions where Jesus appeared to him and had no qualms about), just because it was the same image of Jesus that I said appeared to me, because several here cannot believe that Jesus who they "believe" in, could not possibly appear to me as the guy that first questioned it here.

Not knowing that the appearance of Jesus was nothing compared to what God has already entrusted me with, and that if seeing Jesus was so factorial, He would have appeared to me many times and over. But the reason He had not appeared to me before now was because He saw me as like a replica of Himself on Earth, hence didn't see the need for it.

And that He only appeared to me was as mere formality because my appointed time was at the doors, that why when He appeared just this once, He yet ensured that His once appearance was confirmed to this extent.

And to illustrate my point, i know someone who is very close to me spiritually, who Jesus had appeared to severally, despite that He had not appeared to me. But there's something she said long time ago that God had said to her, which is, that I was strong, but that she was in His hand.

So the reason Jesus never appeared to me since I started walk at the level of the Spirit could be drawn from that saying I suppose of God, because that's the same impression I have gotten severally ever since I began to abide by the Words of Jesus.

Because that was the same impression the first Satanist I had ever remembered meeting, held of me after he came across me in a bus park about sixteen years ago. Despite that it was the first time I was meeting him, he already knew who I was, and he asked me if I didn't see how he looked at me the first time?

And from then on he began to tell me how he was just coming back from a meeting held at the top of Zuma rock in Abuja from midnight to four, that can't I see how sleepy his eyes were, as he had not slept through out the night.

And he tried to lure me to join their group(can't recall the exact name he called it now) using the same baits that are being used by some Satanists here, inclusive of one who came to this thread, how most of the church leaders were also part of their group, calling the names of some of the most prominent, that they made them so. Also citing his own instance and some of his riches, etc., that they would also make me same if I joined.

So from what he said concerning me, despite that I was just meeting him for the first time, and yet "unknown" to the world, made know of the effect my efforts in the closet was already yielding in the spiritual real and an idea of what was to come.

To be continued.

It was the same impression God Himself gave to me about that same period, when He told me that what my words (the Words of Jesus) was going to bring much persecution with it, but that "because you are built upon the rock, you shall not be moved.

And then this same impression was corroborated by Satan's subsequent appearances to me despite that I was yet in my closet and that my time had not yet come.

Yet, upon the several appearances of Satan to me, God didn't even seem to find any need for me to see one of his angels, not even once, not to talk of Jesus since I began walk at this level of the Spirit, before this one.

And there are so many other entails of my walk at the level of the Spirit, such as the extent of things God entrusted me with, that just made me quite concerned and led me to ask Him "are You sure about this", because He seemed to be more confident about me than I was about myself.

But it seemed He had already answered my question a long time ago, when He said "because you're built upon a rock, you shall not be moved."

Therefore those who want to crucify EnthronedbyGod and brand him a charlatan etc., for endorsing the mere appearance of Jesus to me on this thread, because they can't believe that Jesus could possibly appear to me, now that EnthronedbyGod is no longer here, let them look for something else to hold because that is nothing compared to what I have been given by God which is going to confirmed on this very same thread.

#strongerthanthestrongman

To be continued.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 8:16am On Sep 10
jesusjnr:
It was the same impression God Himself gave to me about that same period, when He told me that what my words (the Words of Jesus) was going to bring much persecution with it, but that "because you are built upon the rock, you shall not be moved.

And then this same impression was corroborated by Satan's subsequent appearances to me despite that I was yet in my closet and that my time had not yet come.

Yet, upon the several appearances of Satan to me, God didn't even seem to find any need for me to see one of his angels, not even once, not to talk of Jesus since I began walk at this level of the Spirit, before this one.

And there are so many other entails of my walk at the level of the Spirit, such as the extent of things God entrusted me with, that just made me quite concerned and led me to ask Him "are You sure about this", because He seemed to be more confident about me than I was about myself.

But it seemed He had already answered my question a long time ago, when He said "because you're built upon a rock, you shall not be moved."

Therefore those who want to crucify EnthronedbyGod and brand him a charlatan etc., for endorsing the mere appearance of Jesus to me on this thread, because they can't believe that Jesus could possibly appear to me, now that EnthronedbyGod is no longer here, let them look for something else to hold because that is nothing compared to what I have been given by God which is going to confirmed on this very same thread.

#strongerthanthestrongman

To be continued
Yẹyẹ dey smell smiley
Every man should know the smell of their own fart at least that way you would have known how bad yours smell now.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 8:29am On Sep 10
jeraw:
To clear his position once and for all.. ask him to simply type these words HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN

As expected, your challenge was dodged...

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by TabletMan: 8:57am On Sep 10
So this fraudster that called himself enthronebydemon has finally deactivated... Even one stupid and senseless Anas09 that attacked me when I exposed this fraud of a guy is now attacking the guy.
Most people here that believed in this guy are seriously brainwashed and their heads needs to be examine because they are the reason why atheist use to have upper hand during any argument.
I even see where the satanist lied that yayin means alcoholic while oions means fruit wine and his brainwashed followers digested the lie that can be easily browse.



This is where the guy called me a demon for exposing him..... https://www.nairaland.com/5252047/cultism-spiritual-consequences-deliverance-through/42#81010432

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 10:40am On Sep 10
TabletMan:
So this fraudster that called himself enthronebydemon has finally deactivated... Even one stupid and senseless Anas09 that attacked me when I exposed this fraud of a guy is now attacking the guy.
Most people here that believed in this guy are seriously brainwashed and their heads needs to be examine because they are the reason why atheist use to have upper hand during any argument.
I even see where the satanist lied that yayin means alcoholic while oions means fruit wine and his brainwashed followers digested the lie that can be easily browse.



This is where the guy called me a demon for exposing him..... https://www.nairaland.com/5252047/cultism-spiritual-consequences-deliverance-through/42#81010432
If EnthronedbyGod was a fraudster, then you are much worse.

As you can see for yourself, even though he's left, the work still continues.

Btw you have don't have the least idea concerning atheism, if not you'd know that it has absolutely nothing to do with winning arguments but the Spirit of God being with someone.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Sep 10
jesusjnr:
If EnthronedbyGod was a fraudster, then you are much worse.

As you can see for yourself, even though he's left, the work still continues.

Btw you have don't have the least idea concerning atheism, if not you'd know that it has absolutely nothing to do with winning arguments but the Spirit of God being with someone.
What work still continues? You mean the work of you jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod, still being a tool in the devil's workshop, erhn?
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by TV01(m): 1:04pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:
1.

I initiated this discussion - and thanks for responding - with particular themes I wished to explore. However, I find that the discussion is becoming ever more expansive with more questions than answers and increasing adjunct issues, whilst not really touching on the themes as I envisaged. Let me sum up my response to what I believe are your questions;

1. Is there truth outside scripture or the canon - yes, but the gospel truth contains all we need to understand Gods unfolding plan for redemption and salvation in Jesus Christ.

2. Is the gospel canon complete - yes, per above

3. Can we perfectly "rightsize" the scriptures that contain the gospel? - a superfluous question unless it can be evidenced that there are verifiable texts that materially change the gospel as we have it. Or, the gospel can be demonstrated to be somehow incomplete.

Now, if you are not gainsaying the above in any way, a bit about your take on "ALL TRUTH"

1. If as you claim The Holy Spirit will lead believers into "ALL TRUTH" as in everything about everything, how is scope applied to that? What living person can take in and comprehend everything about everything? Why would we need to know everything (about everything)? The Holy Spirit is The Helper, what constitute the limits of this help?

Your claim a witness to OP, did The Holy Spirit affirm OPs office and calling or simply the writings here? Have you been subsequently led into all truth about the OP or, the extent of the writings here? everything about everything right?

2. As to The Holy Spirit giving personal intimations, God is sovereign. Leading, direction, insight etc. can all be given to individuals, but I don't see how that has to be captured as gospel truth or considered canonical?

3. As to God giving someone a "prophecy or revelation" about Nigeria and it coming to pass, I would have to see evidence of that and understand what the purpose of the prophecy or revelation was.

4. To your use of the term "progressive revelation". Again, I do not see what this means in light of scripture. If it is something that directly impacts the gospel as received, I would need to see evidence of this. If it's simply individual intimations or leading, again, that is not for the body and therefore not required to be canonical anyway.

5. About the undocumented early life of The Lord and the unrecorded signs and miracles. Yes these are truth, but again, please evidence anyone that has been led into these truths by the Holy Spirit, what they are and how, if they, in anyway affect gospel truth. And, if at the individual level, claims of such and how they impacted a personal walk.


Regards the framework below. I not sure it's provenance, but I don't see it as a Christian/gospel derived framework. Again, like I said, I will not gainsay your beliefs, but view what is presented in the light of the gospel.

So far example the requirement to be a genius at level 2, a prophet or seer at level 3 amongst other things are simply not scriptural. However, you are free to apply whatever framework you choose. Will you disclose this as not Christian in origin or otherwise corroborate it against scripture?

Is there any unwritten and unknown truth that has been revealed to anyone, anywhere that is not simply a personal intimation but a general revelation that would effect the whole or, a very significant part of the body of Christ, or the gospel itself?

LEVELS OF TRUTH

In life...there are four levels of TRUTH that determines your level of wisdom and intelligence;

1) Written and Known Truth: Can be deciphered by logic. Anybody with an open mind to learn starts from here
2) Unwritten and Known Truth: Can be deciphered by a combination of logic and creativity. Geniuses operate at this level
3) Written and Unknown Truth: These are documented mysteries that can only be deciphered at the right time. Genuine Prophets and Seers operate at this level.
4) Unwritten and Unknown Truth: This can be deciphered by a combination of intuition and total dependence on the Spirit of TRUTH i.e. Master of the Universe and Multiverse. Only Sages operate on the 4th level of TRUTH having passed the previous levels.


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