tuniski:

Elections are mainly rigged at collation points. The introduction of e-transmission is to provide an audit trail of the result that will be brought in by the returning officers. If you have already transmitted real time the result, any manipulation becomes glaring and traceable.

This is what #teamAtiku is driving at. The server exist at least INEC has acknowledged that, the contention is Whether they banked the results there. That can only be proven by witnesses who participated in the collation processes. INEC ICT folks and ultimately and conclusively via server inspection.

I remember you saying that most results were transmitted at ward collation points which is part of where rigging takes place

tuniski:


There is no law banning it either. You are actually clever by quarter!

My question is, why is Atiku the only one with the server result? It was not on INEC's electoral guidelines, no other candidate or political party knew of such results. Even PDP and their candidates weren't aware.

How Nigerians forfeit the election we all participated and accept a result that only Atiku and his cronies knew of?

garfield1:

No sir,the card reader or server has nothing to do with the osun polls

Correct!

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netpro:


My question is, why is Atiku the only one with the server result? It was not on INEC's electoral guidelines, no other candidate or political party knew of such results. Even PDP and their candidates weren't aware.

How Nigerians forfeit the election we all participated and accept a result that only Atiku and his cronies knew of?

Because Atiku/PDP is one of only two genuine candidates/parties in the election. The other is APC. By the way, the apc too knew the server exists and results were transmitted that was why they petitioned the security agents that atiku/pdp hacked the server.

garfield1:

I remember you saying that most results were transmitted at ward collation points which is part of where rigging takes place

So?

tuniski:


Because Atiku/PDP is one of only two genuine candidates/parties in the election. The other is APC. By the way, the apc too knew the server exists and results were transmitted that was why they petitioned the security agents that atiku/pdp hacked the server.

Stop saying rubbish

Afamed:

Stop saying rubbish

Like you right?

tuniski:


Because Atiku/PDP is one of only two genuine candidates/parties in the election. The other is APC. By the way, the apc too knew the server exists and results were transmitted that was why they petitioned the security agents that atiku/pdp hacked the server.

It is becoming delusional clinging to this server argument. It is not lawful, wasn't in the election guidelines and Nigerians were not aware of it.

Even you. You had no idea of any such results, until Atiku started peddling it. Because it was alien to the 2019 elections. Now you accept such fictitious results to be superior to the electoral process everyone went through. Just because you want Buhari removed. It is not even your love for Atiku.

Atiku cannot enter Aso Rock through the back door.

This is a very stupid question in my OP. Manual results that numerous videos have shown inec officials thumb printing by themselves.

netpro:


It is becoming delusional clinging to this server argument. It is not lawful, wasn't in the election guidelines and Nigerians were not aware of it.

Even you. You had no idea of any such results, until Atiku started peddling it. Because it was alien to the 2019 elections. Now you accept such fictitious results to be superior to the electoral process everyone went through. Just because you want Buhari removed. It is not even your love for Atiku.

Atiku cannot enter Aso Rock through the back door.

It is not unlawful the worst that can happen is for it to be inspected and Atiku proven right. The other is for nothing to be found upon inspection.

Why is inec/apc preventing the inspection if nothing dubious is there?

Atiku is deepening our democracy with his petition and no amount of noise,insults or blackmail will stop him.


After all, it was Atiku that challenged OBJ power to remove him as VP that has now firmly established the only valid basis of removal of VP or deputy gov.

Democrats will salute atiku not mock him. Some had called for violence in time past but Atiku is only using peaceful legal/democratic means.

Because it was doctored

The PDP hierrachy know what they are doing, they are deceiving Atiku by the 'Server results' and using the Tribunal/court cases to give false hope to their followers.
This is all in attempts to keep the party intact for 2023, otherwise disillusion and mass decamping will hit the PDP.

garfield1:
I wonder why atiku is overemphasizing on server results and other electronic means not recognized by law.why cant he order all his agents to produce copies of polling unit result sheets and do a new collation to arrive at the real results? This is even better and more comprehensive.while he was inspecting inec materials in April he should have started a recount of the ballot papers.by now,he would have been done instead of jumping from one online fairy tale to another.let him copy what adeleke,akpabio and others are doing.

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tuniski:

Of course the server gives real time result nau. Between you that goes to the bank for deposit and he who does same on e-banking who gets alert first?

Saraki e-dog where is your sense?

OAUTemitayo:

So without evidence of deposit which is the teller, you want bank to produce manufacture evidence for you.

Even if it is electronic transaction, you are to provide transaction details so bank can trace.
Dream on o.
Legitimacy issues ko, legal issues ni.

Every bank alert has a transaction code that can be regenerated if genuine and admissible in court..

Bank stamps/tellers can be forged aswell and would have to be proven if genuine or not like the above.

tuniski:


They are all admissible in law. Cos you can regenerate the electronic alert from the bank when needed.

This is exactly why INEC must allow access to its server. If the atiku's claim is fake the server will conclusively prove so. Otherwise this govt is toying with legitimacy issue.

But according to inec there was no server? Or the server was used for presidential election alone? There are many other electoral cases in court regarding his party (pdp) and they have won and loose some, non of them have won or loose base on server.

There are future election if PDP goes to ince server the national security is sake so be mindful of what you say. U think PDP is asking for ince server for 2019. Is because of future election. Which is not save for the country. Is just like they hack ur 20k from the bank u now want to access the hole of bank sever like be wise in this country. PDP should base their argument on the results their agent gave to them except they are telling Nigeria they didn't trust their agent or they didn't present agent during the election.
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Let INEC allow access to its server. It will only vindicate INEC and rubbish atiku's claim if, they truly dont have result banked there. On the other hand, it will show the ingenuity of #teamAtiku if it turns out to be there.


However,denying access to the server will impunge on the legitimacy of Buhari/apc govt.[/quote]

There are future election if PDP goes to ince server the national security is sake so be mindful of what you say. U think PDP is asking for ince server for 2019. Is because of future election. Which is not save for the country. Is just like they hack ur 20k from the bank u now want to access the hole of bank sever like be wise in this country. PDP should base their argument on the results their agent gave to them except they are telling Nigeria they didn't trust their agent or they didn't present agent during the election.

Afamed:

Ain't a boy, but a grown up man

You are above 18.....you are correct...

tuniski:

Elections are mainly rigged at collation points. The introduction of e-transmission is to provide an audit trail of the result that will be brought in by the returning officers. If you have already transmitted real time the result, any manipulation becomes glaring and traceable.

This is what #teamAtiku is driving at. The server exist at least INEC has acknowledged that, the contention is Whether they banked the results there. That can only be proven by witnesses who participated in the collation processes. INEC ICT folks and ultimately and conclusively via server inspection.

Hope you understand inec statement well. They only experiment with the server for future uses pending when is admissible? Which means by every standards it was never use for this election. How can you be relying on something that was never part of the electioneering process? Why are they not demanding for the card readers which captured almost 80-90% of the total vote cast and relate it to the general vote. Am beginning to believe the issues of server is to continue to be relevant

Omon605:


Hope you understand inec statement well. They only experiment with the server for future uses pending when is admissible? Which means by every standards it was never use for this election. How can you be relying on something that was never part of the electioneering process? Why are they not demanding for the card readers which captured almost 80-90% of the total vote cast and relate it to the general vote. Am beginning to believe the issues of server is to continue to be relevant

They are demanding for all the card reader, the server and whatever there are. Inec just have to come clean cos upto this moment they have been flip-flopping. That alone says Something is fishy.
Assuming they didn't use e-transmission then the inspection which will be done jointly will show nothing.

However, the evidence and witnesses on ground more than prove they did e-transmission which is why they are fighting tooth and nail to stop the inspection.

There has never been this much quake on election petition and it shows our democracy is advancing.

#INECShowyourServer

Freeworldbutfre:
There are future election if PDP goes to ince server the national security is sake so be mindful of what you say. U think PDP is asking for ince server for 2019. Is because of future election. Which is not save for the country. Is just like they hack ur 20k from the bank u now want to access the hole of bank sever like be wise in this country. PDP should base their argument on the results their agent gave to them except they are telling Nigeria they didn't trust their agent or they didn't present agent during the election.

The security argument won't hold water. INEC duty is to hold transparent and accountable free and fair election.

tuniski:


So?

Why the policy somersault

revolt:
This is a very stupid question in my OP. Manual results that numerous videos have shown inec officials thumb printing by themselves.

That means the electronic is also rigged

Omon605:



But according to inec there was no server? Or the server was used for presidential election alone? There are many other electoral cases in court regarding his party (pdp) and they have won and loose some, non of them have won or loose base on server.

The whole denial and Partial admittance by INEC of the server issue is quite curious.

First apc petitioned the security agencies that pdp/atiku hacked inec server. That in itself is self indictment on the existence of server known to apc.

Then inec willfully denied having server to the Tribunal but, after seeing the barage of evidence that the servers don't only exist but we're actively used. They now reluctantly want to change their response from not having server to 'not using it for the presidential Election' having admitted that they test ran it during off Season elections in 2018.

All these back and forth will be cleared on inspection of the server at the trial proper. Budgets were made, approved by NASS and signed by the president. Monies were released and conclusively procurement,upgrade,training and deployment of Ratech officers for election duties one of which was e-transmission were done.

The witnesses are drawn from the numerous participants in these processes with evidence.

INEC has been boxed into a quagmire and it appears they know something they ain't telling us.

garfield1:

Why the policy somersault

There is no somersault certainly not by me except as usual u don't get me.

tuniski:

There is no somersault certainly not by me except as usual u don't get me.

You originally claimed that rigging mostly happened at collation points where these electronic transmission were undertaken.therefore,rigging hardly takes place at polling units where result sheets are filled.i think we have arrived somewhere

tuniski:


The whole denial and Partial admittance by INEC of the server issue is quite curious.

First apc petitioned the security agencies that pdp/atiku hacked inec server. That in itself is self indictment on the existence of server known to apc.

Then inec willfully denied having server to the Tribunal but, after seeing the barage of evidence that the servers don't only exist but we're actively used. They now reluctantly want to change their response from not having server to 'not using it for the presidential Election' having admitted that they test ran it during off Season elections in 2018.

All these back and forth will be cleared on inspection of the server at the trial proper. Budgets were made, approved by NASS and signed by the president. Monies were released and conclusively procurement,upgrade,training and deployment of Ratech officers for election duties one of which was e-transmission were done.

The witnesses are drawn from the numerous participants in these processes with evidence.

INEC has been boxed into a quagmire and it appears they know something they ain't telling us.

Inec has not been boxed anywhere.am not really against any inspection. pdp claimed that they want to inspect a server and inec can claim that they dont have a server but a database or repository where accreditation details and some electronic results were sent thereby invalidating the claim of pdp.

In summary,inspection of inec server or database will not change anything.the manual result superceds any other result and is the one the courts will refer to not any electronic result that is neither legal but not unlawful.

garfield1:

Inec has not been boxed anywhere.am not really against any inspection. pdp claimed that they want to inspect a server and inec can claim that they dont have a server but a database or repository where accreditation details and some electronic results were sent thereby invalidating the claim of pdp.

In summary,inspection of inec server or database will not change anything.the manual result superceds any other result and is the one the courts will refer to not any electronic result that is neither legal but not unlawful.

Election petition is self generating unlike criminal trials. Anything found to be relevant in arriving at a just verdict will be entertained.

Let the server or whatever name you chose to call it be inspected. After all, the inspection will equally reveal the card reader accreditation which many fail to understand, it is focal to the petition.

Should the server reveal 38m voters accreditation then the manual/paper return of inec is then clearly manipulated.

Let the inspection be done. Who knows it might end the entire atiku/pdp petition if it turns out to be conclusively fake. INEC should as a matter of duty allow for the inspection.

INEC is seriously boxed into a quagmire. It is not by how loud they shout or the crowding they are doing with Hirelings, the matter will be dealt with at the trial.

tuniski:


Election petition is self generating unlike criminal trials. Anything found to be relevant in arriving at a just verdict will be entertained.

Let the server or whatever name you chose to call it be inspected. After all, the inspection will equally reveal the card reader accreditation which many fail to understand, it is focal to the petition.

Should the server reveal 38m voters accreditation then the manual/paper return of inec is then clearly manipulated.

Let the inspection be done. Who knows it might end the entire atiku/pdp petition if it turns out to be conclusively fake. INEC should as a matter of duty allow for the inspection.

INEC is seriously boxed into a quagmire. It is not by how loud they shout or the crowding they are doing with Hirelings, the matter will be dealt with at the trial.

The court for now has rejected the inspection until the main trial starts.the supreme court has already ruled on the card reader calling for electoral backing for it which wasn't done so it will still overrule it.moreover,time has almost ran out for atiku.with one month left for the prosecution tea.,he wont make any headway or provide any tangible evidence.its over

Atiku and PDP are playing mind games, using the tribucase to remain relevant ahead of 2023

They all know what they doing.

garfield1:

The court for now has rejected the inspection until the main trial starts.the supreme court has already ruled on the card reader calling for electoral backing for it which wasn't done so it will still overrule it.moreover,time has almost ran out for atiku.with one month left for the prosecution tea.,he wont make any headway or provide any tangible evidence.its over

Why was the Accreditation by Card Reader mandatory? Answer: cos the 7th assembly actually amended the electoral act and was signed by GEJ.

This INEC is just playing weak to allow for unnecessary interference. A Jega would have gone fully e-transmission by now, cos that doesn't need legislation for a Commission that is bent on doing what Is right. The existing electoral act is already open to card reader and e-collation especially e-transmission.

Because Nigerians like to be forced, everything must be spelt out by law. So annoying.