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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by owila4luv(m): 8:46am On Aug 18, 2019|
ones saved forever saveed is the summary of your talk, i totally disagree with that sir, salvation is a platform but there are prices to be paid which is abstainin from sin an love which is de greatest of all commandments, any Christian dat does not work in de way of de Lord and die without repentance is out of the way. as much as i don't believe in the visions of all those saying they visit hell, God's standard does not change. Long natural hair can't take you to hell, wedding rings also etc. more so by biblical standard no one in the era of Christ has gone to Hellor in hell! Cos if they do then there will be no rapture, as rapture ain't meant only for the living but the dead also (scripture say so)
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Fredmatic(m): 8:49am On Aug 18, 2019|
In as much I agree with the solid points you made, there is still a possibility of a Christian going to hell.
Hv u consider if a believer sin and still continue in it, do you think he or she will go to heaven? Thinking he has already be save by grace?
There are other scripture in the Bible which pointed the seriousness of remaining in christ, believers are already save what matters now is at the point of death, if he sin before dieing or not.
Somewhere in chorithian Paul gave an example, he said he try as much as possible to save others to the kingdom, and will try not to be cast away while doing that. I.e regetted at the end after save others.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by TruthinAction: 8:49am On Aug 18, 2019|
jiggaz, your teachings on eternal destiny of believers is wrong. Some will go to hell and some will go to heaven. Otherwise, you are saying that God has no standard of judgment.
Remember not all the Jews that left Egypt made it to the promised land. And Apostle Paul used them as examples of those that will live ungodly.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by joseph1832(m): 8:55am On Aug 18, 2019|
If all what you say is true, I guess this account for the reason many Christians commit unspeakable acts of debauchery without even feeling remorseful.
They cheat, lie, steal, fornicate, commit adultery, owe workers salary, kidnap, rape, maim, murder etc.
And you say after they do all this, just because they believe in Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, they'll go to Heaven?
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by OkCornel(m): 8:57am On Aug 18, 2019|
The curious case of Simon the Sorcerer;
Acts 8 v 9-24;
joseph1832, I hope this answers your question as well.
See the case of a sorcerer who believed in Jesus and was baptized. But thought he could purchase the power of the Holy Spirit with money.
Also see how he was rebuked by Peter and admonished to REPENT. Peter also clearly mentioned that Simon's heart was not right with God. This is despite the fact that Simon believed and was baptized earlier (in verse 13).
The sad part is, thinking belief alone is sufficient without repentance from a sinful lifestyle is nothing but hypocrisy.
Yes, at the initial stage, baby believers will still stumble, make errors and mistakes (not wilful sin nor iniquity), struggle with old habits. But as they grow in the TRUTH and have an unwavering focus on the teachings of Jesus and the instructions of the Holy Spirit, you'll see that old lifestyle falling away like scales and replaced by a new productive lifestyle. This is the growth and maturity expected of everyone who sincerely wants to walk in the TRUTH.
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Nobody: 9:03am On Aug 18, 2019|
All u just posted are crap.
Accepting Jesus is not all that u need to go to heaven.
U have to work for your salvation.
U can't be claiming grace of God & be lying, stealing, cheating, fornicating and think grace will cover you.
U must repent wherever u have come short of the glory of God.
This type of teaching is common with these new age pastors who don't want to lose members.
Also, make up, wig/weavon, women wearing trousers are all sin. Some say there is women trouser. So what was the bible referring to wen it said women shouldn't wear men's clothing.
Read your bible, don't be decieved
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Jokerman(m): 9:04am On Aug 18, 2019|
No time to sugar coat, even as a believer one can go to hell...
1 Cor 6:9... If you are a believer and still do all those things, do you think God will change his word??
All we pray for is God's grace and mercy... Because even your self righteous filthy rags ness , can't save us... Only God's grace
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by TheApologist: 9:14am On Aug 18, 2019|
your assertion is very wrong sir, I disagree to agree. You are actually lending credence to the once saved forever saved maxim. Don't be deceived, the Bible made it clear salvation needs to be sustained and that's why it says since the days of John the Baptist the kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force this therefore imply you have a duty to live a continuous holy life to have any chance of making heaven and that takes a lot of grace and that is why you'll find a those who are first (someone you know as a believer) coming last (not making heaven) and supposed sinners making it at last. it's all about what your last act is before you close your eyes in death.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Alphalite(m): 9:20am On Aug 18, 2019|
Jeromejnr:Sure Word. People are looking for Gospel made easy.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by OpenYourEyes1: 9:20am On Aug 18, 2019|
This sounds alot like new age doctrine: "Everyone will ascend into bliss once you believe". They hardly talk about repentance, sin, justice, punishment, etc
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by JakeII(m): 9:39am On Aug 18, 2019|
The truth is that A saved person cannot continue in Sin!...Don't get me wrong, I am not saying once you are saved you can't fall into sin but once saved, you can't enjoy sin because it is no more your nature, a saved person has a mind/nature of Christ. Though the flesh can cause such person to make mistakes but a saved person who understands the love of God knows that even if he falls, he will always rise for the blood of Jesus has paid for such sin.
In Summary, anyone who claimed to be saved and continue in sin....a perpetual sinner needs to re-evaluate his/her life, it may be self deceit!
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by JakeII(m): 9:58am On Aug 18, 2019|
He is not wrong, neither are you!....What you said is not far from the truth but let me ask you;
1. Are you saved?
2. If yes, haven't you transgressed since you were saved? I mean, no sin, you have been 100% blameless and sinless?
I can bet the answer to number 2 in No! If yes, then you have become God!...lol.
The issues that call for deep understanding here, the puzzles and matters that I think are not really clear to most 'CHURCH GOERS' are as follows;
1. Who is a christian? Or better put, what does it mean to be a christian?
2. Are the so called Saved Christians really saved?
3. Did they get saved through a personal encounter with Jesus or because of an event, circumstances or tradition?
If God loved us while we were still sinners, in fact while we were yet to exist, so much that He gave himself so that we might be saved, then after we have been saved, do you think it is Logical for that same God to allow us to be plucked away by the devil without protecting us?
The problem is that majority of us in the christendom are only religious! A saved Christian is the man who was dead to flesh and took up the nature of Christ! - A nature that cannot live in Sin. That is why 1st John 2 I think verse too says if anyone (mistakenly) sins, then we have an advocate in Jesus.....
A saved person can't enjoy sin and continually live in sin, that is why once saved, you will remain saved. The problem is, are you really saved in the first place?
In addition, just as you mentioned in your assertion (the bolded part below), that we are saved by Grace, why do you now make it look like Jesus was telling us to fight or struggle to make heaven by our efforts?....Actually, I don't wan't to go into that because that is another issue with us christians, we don't understand the scriptures? We interpret a sacred, spiritual book literally - with our minds rather than allow the holy spirit interpret for us and that is among the reasons why we always argue on stuffs like this!
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Nobody: 10:10am On Aug 18, 2019|
U guys are always seeing visions.
Make una see visions of tech na
See vision of Nigeria becoming the tech hub of the world, breakthrough in medicine and agric or things that will make life easier for an average Nigeria.
Only doom, doom and doom
Mgbò piakwa ùnù isi there
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by lasisison: 10:23am On Aug 18, 2019|
Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Repentance is very little in evidence in the world. Sinners don't want to repent. Church people don't want to repent. This is very important because there are consequences if there is no repentance in a person, a people group, or a nation. Jesus declared in the Gospel of Luke:
[Luk 13:3 KJV] 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Remembere, Hell fire is real
Heaven is real
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by delerx(m): 10:24am On Aug 18, 2019|
Thank you bro... This is the false teachings the Bible is talking about and he has already won the hearts of those we don't wanna think with their brains
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by delerx(m): 10:28am On Aug 18, 2019|
This is a false teaching. This is anti Christ this is end-time. God is not a fool. God's teachings are beyond this. Pls repent if u did this on purpose because the many souls you are leading to Hell with this post will be on your head. Shalom
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by chachanga: 10:30am On Aug 18, 2019|
Dem no dey see Abacha,, dem no see idi amin, na faithful Christians that served with all their hearts and lives with only a few flaws here and there which grace and mercy should have spoken for anyway.
God looks like a villain, the Word is projected as haphazard, unreliable and not there inerrant final authority, the whole Christian Pilgrim journey a painful gamble bound to end in losses.
Faiths get weakened, folks move by fear for a while and slack off, legalism tales over, religious creeds, dogmas and servility emerges dominant over revelational living, spiritual growth and true worship and pursuit of the life of God.
Who gains; the other side!
Well done Christians, well done!!
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by joseph1832(m): 12:06pm On Aug 18, 2019|
OkCornel:if this is so then people who say they saw or had visions of pastors in Hell are very correct, according to what you posted if they did not repent and flee from their sins they will be condemned.
So in essence believing in Jesus' sacrifice on the cross isn't enough.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Revolva(m): 12:19pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Na him go first go the hell wey he mind don de attach to
Noting like hell or heave if we die
Your hell or heaven are here on earth
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by salt1: 12:30pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Believing in Jesus isn't really enough. Even the devils believe and tremble.
Salvation is worked out with fear and trembling.
Why God wants to destroy this world is because of sin. How will He let in sin into the new heaven and earth He's creating?
That doesn't mean I believe those dreams and visions.
I believe the Bible
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Spiritmask: 12:36pm On Aug 18, 2019|
OkCornel:I agree with u on this. only lips believing will not save u. remember even the demons believe God and Jesus Christ.. except u truly believe in ur heart all about Jesus christ and in him (ie do what Jesus Christ as u to do in faith, love and with a willing heart. that is what is believing and also acknowledge him as the son of God, ur lord and savior) anything apart from this is not true believing. u cant make Heaven if u do not truly believe
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by joseph1832(m): 12:44pm On Aug 18, 2019|
salt1:if you believe the Bible then you'll know Heaven is going to be one very dry place.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Brightest04(m): 1:00pm On Aug 18, 2019|
The Bible is a torch into the darkness of what we don't know.So,instead of believing in self-fabricated visions and dreams, Read the Bible to be in the light.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Aquilazng(m): 1:39pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Good Sunday all.
With reference to this msg. What will now happen to backsliders?
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Tombrown3(m): 1:44pm On Aug 18, 2019|
That's why God is smarter than you. You want it to be hard because you feel that's how it suppose to be. Salvation is not just about you humans, it's a way the Almighty uses to conquer devil!
I looked at your good deeds, it wasn't enough so I sent my only begotten son to sacrifice just so you can have that everlasting life which your good deed as a human couldn't atone for, all I ask is for you to believe in him and be saved!
You can't have Jesus and still believe you will go to hell! Unless you never genuinely believed.
No matter how much you claim to be a repentant and never to sin, my brother you go still sin in one way or the other! That's why you good and holy life which you claim to live ain't enough to God.
God's plan is the best I've ever seen through Christ Jesus! He outsmarted the devil whom is still struggling telling people Jesus is not all you need, my brother as a Christian and believers we aught to live a good and responsible life so our environment won't be in chaos and in anarchy.
Add anything to the finish work of Jesus, and God will show you this message on your way to hell!
Jesus! I repeat, Jesus is the only way to heaven! Not your good deeds, no, never!
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Tombrown3(m): 1:55pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Just imagine! They heard the prophecy of the One who will come in the name of the Lord. Demons ain't humans, even the devil believes in Christ, that's why he's making sure The Death of Jesus becomes irrelevant to our mind! This is why millions will go to hell.
The devil's intention is to take away your faith in believing in Jesus as your only salvation!
For goodness sake why will Almighty God send his only Son to die when all you have to do is to live a good life and go to heaven?
You get sense pass God abi?
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by OkCornel(m): 1:58pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Anyone who claims to believe in Jesus but still lives a sinful lifestyle is a hypocrite. Simple and short.
Repentance is non-negotiable, and it is the Holy Spirit that empowers one to turn away from a sinful lifestyle.
Any doctrine that is not focused on spiritual growth of believers, any doctrine that gives a foothold for tolerating a sinful lifestyle rather than overcoming it is nothing but deceit.
There are people who will call Jesus their Lord, but He would deny them and label them workers of iniquity.
Mind you, iniquity is an advanced state of sin where the perpetrator has justified and rationalized his/her acts of disobedience such that he/she sees nothing wrong in what they do.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by OkCornel(m): 2:08pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Believing in Jesus is enough to get one grafted into the vine. But the question now is, if such a person does not bear fruits...such a barren person would be cut off and casted into the fire.
The ability to be fruitful in the vine comes by constantly obeying the Holy Spirit.
Unfortunately, we have people who call Jesus their Lord, yet they disobey His commands and are deaf to the Holy Spirit.
What becomes the fate of such a barren "believer"? They'll be cut-off eventually.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by proftwinnie10(m): 2:13pm On Aug 18, 2019|
You want to see vision?
Keep asking for GRACE & the POWER of DIVINITY.
Check my signature.
|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Samsonari: 2:17pm On Aug 18, 2019|
Yes, we are saved by grace. God is a merciful God and also a judge of human beings. The fact that we are saved through grace does not mean that we will escape hell when death meets us in sin. Remember Jesus' statement that he will tell some people that he doesn't know them even when they profess to perform miracles in his name.
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Ostrogoth(m): 2:19pm On Aug 18, 2019|
owila4luv:I recommend the book of Galatians and romans 7 and 8 for you.
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|Re: Seeing Visions Of Believers In Hell - Prince Gabriel Okocha by Ostrogoth(m): 2:20pm On Aug 18, 2019|
joseph1832:Pls study Romans 7 and 8 with the Holy Spirit's help!
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