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|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:01pm On Jun 28, 2019|
I dont agree with what Muslim people practice but I don't think its Islam that needs reforming I think it's the people.
The reality is most muslims actually dont believe in apostasy. They'd actually agree with my stance. Imagine if all over 1b muslims started executing everyone. We'd be in trouble.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:06pm On Jun 28, 2019|
I'm only a baby girl. I've not started working yet.
Plz I wish oo. Amen! I claim it by the Grace of God.
That's just Nigeria and mental people though. As a Nigerian, do you feel the need to reform Nigeria?
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by tartar9(m): 3:06pm On Jun 28, 2019|
JeromeBlack:In judaism,apostacy is punishable by death! apostacy that was practiced by xtian countries
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:09pm On Jun 28, 2019|
You too why are you following muslim girls ehn. Can you imagine. Lol face front, leave our sisters alone
Ah. Are muslim women complaining ? How e take concern you? I dont see why that bothers non muslims so much. Mind ya business.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:09pm On Jun 28, 2019|
No Christian country or Jewish country practices such today. Most western countries abolished apostasy and blasphemy laws almost a hundred years ago
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by tartar9(m): 3:15pm On Jun 28, 2019|
JeromeBlack:Did I say they are still practiced
That they no longer practice it still doesnt changes the fact that it exists in their religions.The same way Israel and other xtian countries recognize gay marrriages and are actively promoting it.
We Muslims shall remain true to our faith.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:24pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Feel free to anchor yourself in ancient Arabic caveman ideas. You will remain behind civilisation.
You want to defend blasphemy and apostasy laws? Nonsense
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:26pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Love is blind.
What if you meet a rich, smart and handsome guy, only to find out that he is a non Muslim?
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:28pm On Jun 28, 2019|
He and I would be great friends.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:29pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Islam needs reforming just like christianity got reformed.
Mainstream Christians select and choose the parts of the bible they like. The accept that the bible is not everything.
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|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:30pm On Jun 28, 2019|
You' d lose your religion if you ever met me.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:31pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Until you get belle.
That's when your eye will clear
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:31pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Christianity reformed? Lol I think it's just not Christianity anymore. It's just a different way of life that believes the same principle that Jesus is God.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 3:32pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Welcome to modern christianity
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|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:34pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Lol. I got adequate sex education, handsomeness and intelligence wont make me off pant . Much to Emp.iree's despair
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:34pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Or just... a different way of life. . It needs to look like a duck and quack like a duck to be a duck.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 3:36pm On Jun 28, 2019|
In your dreams. Been there. Done that. It's now a throwback. I've never lost belief in God though. It seems pretty logical to me that theres a higher being out there. Aliens, FSM, whatever you want to call it.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by JeromeBlack: 4:06pm On Jun 28, 2019|
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 4:13pm On Jun 28, 2019|
"I'm trying to describe my point to you in the most eloquent manner I can but its hard so I'll say it the best way I know how." Me too. So lets try hard to understand what we are both imperfectly saying.
Saucyxo:There is "a difference between belief and practice of religion", since one can believe a thing and practise the doctrine therein or not, practise being what I accuse UK of. UK takes care of it's citizens (free healthcare, money to feed) according to the doctrine that teaches that one should love one another. UK also loves it's neighbours as is seen by the amount it spends on foreign aid. Both these practises are an advanced form of what is taught in the Gospels - love one another and your neighbours - so I would say instead of UK 'believing' what they should practise, they 'know' what to practise and practise it specifically in their day to day life.
And it was indeed the scientific revolution (a revolution that brought in the use of the senses and not what was religiously handed down in ancient texts by people who had no glasses), that has suppressed the take up of religion. People cannot go on believing for long that which opposes their senses. Eventually they must concede to what their senses perceive. And there is no doubt that we see a lot better than the ancients did.
Saucyxo:"Dictate", at it's early stage (up to 16th century in Europe, and after Mohammed in the Arab world), but you'd know how humans react to 'dictators'. God dictated to Adam and Eve but they went ahead and revolted.
In an advanced age, as in, long after the old ways of religion, which is the dictating of beliefs, have died off and the age of reason kicks in, people don't accept being dictated to because they now understand they have senses of their own and the right to dictate is in themselves if they use their senses.
Saucyxo:Religion was simply how education was done in the past with its students being told to believe. Education today has evolved into teaching the abilities to understand and reason as opposed to 'believe', so I'd call them points on the same scale with one evolving into the other, and not "correlation" or "causation". The fact does remain that societies that advocate the individual use of the senses prospers more than one which just uncritically accepts that which they are told by a few ancient prophets.
Do note that it is my view that Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus, along with numerous others through the ages are teachers that advocated the use of the senses. It is we who contraditorily argue that we must believe.
Saucyxo:The dwindling of Church happened because people saw and adopted a superior alternative which is education and so they stopped going to Church and went to school instead. In UK, Church saw this and evolved into schools but still taught religion (belief) until the scientific era took over and the curriculum changed accordingly. UK still has Church (and other religion) schools but you can't be teaching the curriculum according to God without Ofsted sanctioning you.
Nigeria is tending towards the same by eventually understanding that church has always been a driver to increase knowledge and understanding so more churches build schools. They still teach God done it in six days, but eyes are being opened to see that myth.
Saucyxo:Religion does not just get stuck on words, but also on phrases. And it gets stuck through its beliefs which by their nature imply knowing already when the opposite is exactly the case.
Religion (the ancient way of educating) gives the false confidence of knowledge. Education (the modern form of religion, as advocated by the light shiners), puts a foundation underneath those beliefs where there is one, and weeds out that which is not knowledge.
The evidence suggests that both the religious and the atheists are in pits with neither having a comprehension of things. I would claim the pit the atheist is in is deeper only because the atheist knows there is a pit but not that they themselves are in it, while the religious think they are on the hill when they are not. But the depth of the pit matters not in the whole scheme of things since we all deceive ourselves, each thinking the little we know is the whole truth when the truth is neither even sees. It takes an acceptance of ones limitation and ignorance to accept that one knows so little, but thread after thread you'd see the ego of ignorance claiming knowledge that it lacks.
I'll borrow from the Bible to illustrate.
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
A lot of people believe the above to be true, but in which way is it true? Would a better understanding not make it truer? In UK, it is known that if they learn about the natural world (the earth, fish, sea etc), and understand how to manipulate it to their advantage (rule and subdue it), they will have more resources to live longer and grow (be blessed), so instead of worshipping God with tithes and prayers, they worship by seeking and learning to understand the knowledge of the entire universe and all that is therein (Kingdom of God ), wealth that they store where moths can't get at it and are blessed because of their seeking.
Now, look at my country Nigeria which many would claim 'worships' God and tell me if we are blessed.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 4:13pm On Jun 28, 2019|
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Uncle Empiree, I see you eyeing the thread. Abeg biko I was only playing withu.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 4:15pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Budaatum. Do you live or have you lived in the UK ?
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Empiree: 4:17pm On Jun 28, 2019|
JeromeBlack:hypocrite! Why then you worry about Muslim women not marrying outside their faith?.
Listen, I cornered you in my first post because I knew where you were driving at. I was ahead of you. If Jews in Israel are either not practing or are essentially atheists, we can infer that they are Judeo/Christian/atheists intolerant terrorists occupiers of Palestinians and killing them. Therefore atheists are intolerant. We don't need you to tell us what's tolerateted and what is not.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Empiree: 4:19pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Saucyxo:no worries, lady.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 4:22pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Saucyxo:You asking for my credentials? Born and lived in UK ⅔ of my life.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 4:28pm On Jun 28, 2019|
JeromeBlack:Most Muslims don't practise it neither!
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 4:29pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Saucyxo:See! Education is glue to your pant.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 4:52pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Ehn. Ehn. I think that's the belief that we've been forced to believe. Health care isn't free anyways. Everyone pays for healthcare with taxes lol. I hope that remains after brexit sha. I dont think it's because they care about eachother at all. I think it's so they can charge ridiculously high taxes and no one will complain. Really The UK loves its neighbours ? Maybe I'm being biased. The UK is one of the countries I detest the most in this entire world. The UK doesnt love it's own people never mind its neighbours. Brexit is LITERALLY the UK saying how much it hates its neighbours. The biggest most successful campaign of brexit was closing its doors and helping people.
Really ? Lol the UK is the WORST example you could have chosen to show any sort of religious or moral integrity. Anyways, none of this has anything to do with religion. I honestly dont see the religious basis of anything the UK as well as most EU countries do.
That's not true. The reformation had everything to do with money and how the catholic church treated it's people. It had very very little to do with science. The fall of Catholicism happened during the reformation. The rennasiance was the first period of alot of science and art in Europe. Catholics were still very highly in power. Then came the reformation which was the demise of Catholicism. Then came the age of englightenment. The age of englightenment is where we see alot of scientific discoveries. The reformation was caused my the mistreatment of the catholic church and its members.
Lol. Let's not use dictate then. Guides ? .
Really ? Regardless of the senses of my own, we still learn every day. I dont think theres any compulsion in religion but everyone follows a doctrine. No one lives freely on their own to the will of their own senses. That would make for a very messy situation no ?
I actually dont agree with that statement at all. In today's society, I honestly don't see how one uses their own individual senses in order to prosper. I just think newer ways of life have been evolved. We all live by a doctrine, maybe cultural or religious or even societal doctrines. They're never individual rulings though.
Is your issue with religion that its foundations are old ?
Wouldn't that just be a different way to look at the same thing ? I dont believe, religion itself that has forced people to remain in a misunderstood state. I think some people just choose to take words literally and not advance. I think people should be educated in all forms of education available so they can better interpret their religion in the way that applies to their lives. There are some things in religion that are very very clear and not open to interpretation. In this context, I dont see how practicing those rules has contributed to the lack of progression in religious countries.
I think alot of poverty filled countries just see religion as an escape. I dont believe that the increase of education will decrease faith and belief in God if one truly understands their faith. In Nigeria, there are many factors at play as to why there are more churches than there are schools. Lack of education, greediness and extreme poverty. Religion has been almost a drug that provides a sense of hope.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 4:54pm On Jun 28, 2019|
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by Saucyxo: 4:56pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Are they mutually exclusive though. You can do both.
Religion has also glued it oo. If it wasn't for religion
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 5:03pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Saucyxo:You are more than biased, you actually detest, and I can only say that detestation is a form of blindness that is similar to believing as both stop one from seeing and learning, for which lots of objective use of the senses is required, and which, if you understood what I've written so far, is what I'm advocating, and not the blindness that some religious people tend to adopt.
Why is UK one of the countries you detest the most in this entire world? Have you ever been or lived there? For how long? And did you learn how they got to where they are today, their history so to speak?
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 5:06pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Saucyxo:You've completely missed where I said "religion is early education". When you have children, I bet they are more likely to learn to keep their pants on in honour of God, than be scared to keep them on by the fear of God.
|Re: Why Is Islam Afraid Of Atheism (and Apostasy)? by budaatum: 5:07pm On Jun 28, 2019|
Saucyxo:How old are you? Ballpark would do.
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