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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AgentOfAllah: 9:26pm On Jul 05, 2019
Gerrard59:


So how do you judge who deserves to be paid and why do you believe that today's descendants will ever agree to pay for what they didn't know about nor partook in?

Well, now you're beginning to ask the right questions!

How do we judge who deserves to be paid? That's not so hard. American slavery is a pretty recent phenomenon so it's not so hard to trace the ancestry of slave descendants. All descendants of slaves, no matter their social or economic status, deserve to be paid. It doesn't even matter if they've mixed so much that you can't tell if they're black anymore, or if they are descendants of slaves that bought their freedom (that would only make them deserve more pay, in fact). Non of that information is of real consequence though. What's important is that they are descendants. There are a number of ways they can be paid: Tuition free education in the absolute best schools around for all, from nursery all the way to Ivy league education. Guaranteed jobs for those who have patiently acquired the minimum skill level required for civil service jobs, interest free mortgages or even outright provision of free properties in some of the most upscale neighbourhoods across the country. For those not interested in college, complete financial support to pursue their preferred vocational interests, free health care. These are just some of the ways restitutions can began to be paid. The modalities can be worked out by more competent policy hawks than myself.

What makes you think I believe descendants of thieves would freely give back what their ancestors stole? No, they will kick and scream bloody murder!! Matter of fact, we've not even finished pronouncing "restitu..." and they're already panicking and playing this divide and conquer tricks on black immigrants, so as to weaken the positions of, and support for slave descendants. They may not have known about it, but if they continue to benefit from it after knowing their privilege comes from stolen labour, they have become generational partakers in the oppression. It's the apparatus of state that will eventually be used to enforce it when socialists begin to take over the reigns of power.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by edi287: 9:28pm On Jul 05, 2019
Parrot69:

Thank goodness someone here quoted your comment and called you “Lazy ass”.
Your Lazy ass mentality that kept you frustrated??
Eh yaa... Send your account number let me help you with something, Lazy bigot
A Lazy idiott who still depends on $1 to survive. While legit hustling youths are cashing in big time.
Animal
grin grin grin grin of course you can't prove what I said wrong -why am I not surprised??
My pocket money in a month back in college would've probably paid your school fees. Infact I doubt you even make more than that in a month.
Look at who is trying to "feed me" grin grin grin
Arrogant ram grin grin grin grin
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Parrot69: 9:32pm On Jul 05, 2019
edi287:

grin grin grin grin of course you can't prove what I said wrong -why am I not surprised??
My pocket money in a month back in college would've probably paid your school fees. Infact I doubt you even make more than that in a month.
Look at who is trying to "feed me" grin grin grin
Arrogant ram grin grin grin grin

Kids everywhere..
Kids talk.
I’m done with you.

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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by edi287: 9:38pm On Jul 05, 2019
Parrot69:


Kids everywhere..
Kids talk.
I’m done with you.
Coward. Are you running?? Now you're done with me?? After quoting my post and insulting my parents? You're fucking slowpoke!!
May sango strike you where ever you are. Awon "mature person".
Arrogant ram grin grin grin grin
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by edi287: 9:51pm On Jul 05, 2019
Freedem:
Nigerians wake up..
Don't mind them. Let them keep deceiving themselves. Funny thing is when Trump made the shithole comment and folks brought up this same point Candace has - they claimed it was so because of affirmative action.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Obi1kenobi(m): 9:58pm On Jul 05, 2019
Gerrard59:


Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't have access to the numbers but most black children were raised in two-parent families prior to the 1960s. But today the great majority of black children are raised in one-parent families.

Such trends are not unique to blacks, nor even to the United States. The welfare state has led to remarkably similar trends among the white underclass in England over the same period. Just read "Life at the Bottom," by Theodore Dalrymple, a British physician who worked in a hospital in a white slum neighborhood.

You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization — including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain — without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state — and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves.

And there is no other reason for that like the sexual revolution and upending of patriarchal norms, and secularization etc. It's specifically because of welfare? I'm sure someone at US conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation or whoever can make such a case with motivated reasoning and confirmation biases, but it doesn't seem a rigorous, multivariate analysis of the issues. For starters, I will have to stress once more that the United States has the least generous welfare programs in the industrialized West. The US Democrats who are supposed to be the left wing party in the US are to the right of pretty much every right-wing party in Western Europe or Canada or Australia on matters of the economy and fiscal policy. Things taken for granted in other wealthy advanced democracies like universal healthcare coverage are seen as radical socialist policies in the US. This already renders the notion of black Americans being bottle-fed to stupor and indolence by the US government a falsehood. And I'll have to stress once more that even in bastions of right-wing politics in the US like the Deep South, black people still struggle with all the same social problems as they do in blue states. Black people in Mississippi are not exactly on a tear of upward mobility and affluence just because they have less access to social welfare programs than their counterparts elsewhere.


At your last statement, the book by the author proves it's a lie. Worse still, the Trans-Saharan slave trade continues till date.

What book by the author? I only saw a blog post. The numbers on Wikipedia suggest you're wrong. More people (about 12 million) were transported in a much shorter period of time (16th to 19th centuries AD) to the Americas as slaves than in nearly 10 centuries of the peak of the transsaharan slave trade (upper estimates of 9 million) between the 10th and 19th centuries AD.

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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Paulo3ree(m): 10:06pm On Jul 05, 2019
Tolexander:
Unfortunately, the Americans don’t know anything like Hausa, Yoruba or Igbo. All they know is Nigerians.

The reason we all have to join hands together to condemn every criminal acts perpetrated by Nigerians outside there and praise the hardworking ones promoting our country.

Hmm
Truth, peace and equality is all human seek
1230 on nairaland, I HV never seen such since I joined nairaland
Truly people are sure seeking for a functional nation
This 1230 simply shows how ironical things are with our dear people
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Switup: 11:13pm On Jul 05, 2019
Built2last:


Am i seeing something different? I have 2348 likes and over 500 shares. He has less than 1500 likes.

What exactly is the issue here...
hhy ya. I've been offline for about a year. Just popped in today and saw this. Totally forgot, cus the Silent Readers Associations' secretary lost our records. Therefore, The entire Silent Readers Association wishes to decline our initial announcements with regrets... I thought yours was like 1k or so.

Meanwhile,( collects the crown back from @Tolexander... )My bad bro. embarassed But will keep on monitoring till you break the record. Hearty cheers for your bountiful comment.


Oga oya coman carry... angry cheesy

*Drops mic
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Switup: 11:19pm On Jul 05, 2019
BigJoe19:
The most liked post ever is by ikbnice over 2,500likes. The most liked post for this year belongs to offpoint1 with over 1500likes, stephlena, davash222, frandolk, jayslicky, have also had over 1000 likes on a post this year.

undecided
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Switup: 11:27pm On Jul 05, 2019
But wait o. On a very serious note, are people really still dragging issues likes these... I mean, we are in about page nine or so.....


Sha Nigerian kuku like fight more than quarrel....


On another note, I've been off here for like a year now... Really feels refreshing to be back...
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by kroger: 12:33am On Jul 06, 2019
timesup234:
nah man, nigerians in americans are broke ass. Countless multi millionaire down here who will buy you and your household. You are indeed frustrated in america. America is a shitholee no one should be proud of.

Look at your shithole hospital.. idiot like you..grin grin

Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Gerrard59(m): 8:53am On Jul 06, 2019
Obi1kenobi:


And there is no other reason for that like the sexual revolution and upending of patriarchal norms, and secularization etc. It's specifically because of welfare?


I never stated that it was solely due to welfarism. However, as much as the sexual revolution and upending of patriarchal norms have afforded women rights (which is a good thing anyway), these same policies have disrupted the family system thereby making more blacks to be raised by a single parent (of which the vast majority are women) even when stats show that the two parenting system raises better molded children.

Certainly, one I'm sure someone at US conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation or whoever can make such a case with motivated reasoning and confirmation biases, but it doesn't seem a rigorous, multivariate analysis of the issues. For starters, I will have to stress once more that the United States has the least generous welfare programs in the industrialized West. The US Democrats who are supposed to be the left wing party in the US are to the right of pretty much every right-wing party in Western Europe or Canada or Australia on matters of the economy and fiscal policy. Things taken for granted in other wealthy advanced democracies like universal healthcare coverage are seen as radical socialist policies in the US. This already renders the notion of black Americans being bottle-fed to stupor and indolence by the US government a falsehood. And I'll have to stress once more that even in bastions of right-wing politics in the US like the Deep South, black people still struggle with all the same social problems as they do in blue states. Black people in Mississippi are not exactly on a tear of upward mobility and affluence just because they have less access to social welfare programs than their counterparts elsewhere

Cultures differ across the globe. Humans are different across the globe and their behaviours ditto their way of life. So how Canadians, Australians, Swedish etc. utilise the welfare system will be different from Americans of which there are different races and cultural norms amongst Americans. Which brings me to the point that certain aspects of the black culture stifles development and wealth generation. Thankfully, Coleman Hughes did justice on the subject.

https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/


What book by the author? I only saw a blog post. The numbers on Wikipedia suggest you're wrong. More people (about 12 million) were transported in a much shorter period of time (16th to 19th centuries AD) to the Americas as slaves than in nearly 10 centuries of the peak of the transsaharan slave trade (upper estimates of 9 million) between the 10th and 19th centuries AD.

Certainly longer in the duration. Funny enough, it's westerners that were the first to stop the trade before anyone else even as it continues to date in some parts of the world.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Gerrard59(m): 9:04am On Jul 06, 2019
AgentOfAllah:


Well, now you're beginning to ask the right questions!

How do we judge who deserves to be paid? That's not so hard. American slavery is a pretty recent phenomenon so it's not so hard to trace the ancestry of slave descendants. All descendants of slaves, no matter their social or economic status, deserve to be paid. It doesn't even matter if they've mixed so much that you can't tell if they're black anymore, or if they are descendants of slaves that bought their freedom (that would only make them deserve more pay, in fact). Non of that information is of real consequence though. What's important is that they are descendants. There are a number of ways they can be paid: Tuition free education in the absolute best schools around for all, from nursery all the way to Ivy league education. Guaranteed jobs for those who have patiently acquired the minimum skill level required for civil service jobs, interest free mortgages or even outright provision of free properties in some of the most upscale neighbourhoods across the country. For those not interested in college, complete financial support to pursue their preferred vocational interests, free health care. These are just some of the ways restitutions can began to be paid. The modalities can be worked out by more competent policy hawks than myself.

What makes you think I believe descendants of thieves would freely give back what their ancestors stole? No, they will kick and scream bloody murder!! Matter of fact, we've not even finished pronouncing "restitu..." and they're already panicking and playing this divide and conquer tricks on black immigrants, so as to weaken the positions of, and support for slave descendants. They may not have known about it, but if they continue to benefit from it after knowing their privilege comes from stolen labour, they have become generational partakers in the oppression. It's the apparatus of state that will eventually be used to enforce it when socialists begin to take over the reigns of power.

First bold: Reparations connotes appeasing/compensating victims. Question is: how many of those victims are alive today? The policy of reparations is divisive and honesty, it does no good because it further perpetuates the victimisation belief most people have towards AAs.

Second bold: Good luck in your "socialist dreams". I cannot wait to see how that will be paid (which will provide the benefits of the italised part). Also, I can imagine the impending civil unrest that will invoke across America should it be implemented which is possible futuristically knowing that 1 in 5 Americans have a favourable view of communism. Yet again, some of these policies have been implemented for over half a century yet AAs are still poorer than ever before.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Ugosample(m): 9:21am On Jul 06, 2019
Gerrard59:


First bold: Reparations connotes appeasing/compensating victims. Question is: how many of those victims are alive today? The policy of reparations is divisive and honesty, it does no good because it further perpetuates the victimisation belief most people have towards AAs.

Second bold: Good luck in your "socialist dreams". I cannot wait to see how that will be paid (which will provide the benefits of the italised part). Also, I can imagine the impending civil unrest that will invoke across America should it be implemented which is possible futuristically knowing that 1 in 5 Americans have a favourable view of communism. Yet again, some of these policies have been implemented for over half a century yet AAs are still poorer than ever before.

I think reparations is not the way to go as well
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AgentOfAllah: 9:57am On Jul 06, 2019
Gerrard59:


First bold: Reparations connotes appeasing/compensating victims. Question is: how many of those victims are alive today? The policy of reparations is divisive and honesty, it does no good because it further perpetuates the victimisation belief most people have towards AAs.
All the descendants that are alive are victims as long as no real effort had been made to compensate them.

Second bold: Good luck in your "socialist dreams". I cannot wait to see how that will be paid (which will provide the benefits of the italised part). Also, I can imagine the impending civil unrest that will invoke across America should it be implemented which is possible futuristically knowing that 1 in 5 Americans have a favourable view of communism.
One is allowed to dream... If true, 1 in 5 is already an impressive number, and it's only set to grow given the ballooning disaffection with capitalism.

Yet again, some of these policies have been implemented for over half a century yet AAs are still poorer than ever before.
What policies were implemented? War on drugs? Disproportionate incarceration of black Americans for victimless crimes? Please list these socialist policies that have made black Americans poorer than ever before.

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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Obi1kenobi(m): 10:20am On Jul 06, 2019
Gerrard59:



I never stated that it was solely due to welfarism. However, as much as the sexual revolution and upending of patriarchal norms have afforded women rights (which is a good thing anyway), these same policies have disrupted the family system thereby making more blacks to be raised by a single parent (of which the vast majority are women) even when stats show that the two parenting system raises better molded children.



Cultures differ across the globe. Humans are different across the globe and their behaviours ditto their way of life. So how Canadians, Australians, Swedish etc. utilise the welfare system will be different from Americans of which there are different races and cultural norms amongst Americans. Which brings me to the point that certain aspects of the black culture stifles development and wealth generation. Thankfully, Coleman Hughes did justice on the subject.

https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/

You are only identifying cultural problems with black people. I talk about them too and get called racist. We have no disagreements there. But identifying those problems is not what is under dispute here, but your identifying the source of those problems as being welfare. That is a fallacy of right-wing argumentation in America that seeks to morally defend policies that erode the social safety net of American citizens. Economists have always known that the main reason Americans reject welfare is not because of their undying devotion to laissez faire capitalism, but their perception of black people and minorities leeching off the hard work of white people. If America was more racially homogeneous, there'd be far greater will to assist the underclass. You can argue that welfare does not solve the problems of black people, but you can't argue that it is the major cause of the problems of black people. The irresponsible spending patterns of black people for example persists through all income levels comparative to white or Asian Americans. From the wretched homeless guy on the street who still wants to own a smart phone to wealthy vulgar exhibitionists like Mayweather and all those rap stars, the same propensity for vain luxuries persist in black culture. This propensity is not magically eradicated when you take away the already ungenerous social programs that assist the most impoverished people. It just leads to even greater misery.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AkataWoman: 10:29pm On Jul 06, 2019
Omega30:
Too many educated illiterate who can't read. First Candance Owens is a lady, secondly, she said, ‘Nigerian-American is the most successful ethnic group” . In others words, blacks

Her statement was general and incorrect.

Nigerians are the most educated ethnic group. Ethnic means any ethnicity that is not white. This simply means they have earned more college degrees in America. However, they’re not the highest earning, have the most wealth or most successful in terms of professional titles and positions.

Furthermore, Nigerian immigrants who migrate LEGALLY are issued visas largely for the purpose of attending school here. They can’t just come barging through the border. They’re vetted. That means the majority of them will be coming here for the sole purpose of going to school.

So she’s taking that tiny population of SELECTED Nigerians and comparing them to ALL ethnic groups in America? Or for the sake of her point let’s just focus on Black Americans. Any intelligent person knows you can’t compare a tiny sampling to a whole entire population.

A comparable comparison would be Nigerians in Nigeria being compared to black Americans in the US. Black Americans would be more successful on all counts.

Candace’s comparison is like looking at immigrants with student visas in Nigeria (I know there really aren’t any but play along) and comparing them to the citizens in Nigeria. Why, of course the immigrants are more educated! They were granted visas for that purpose!

Candace was just being mean-spirited and divisive with that silly tweet. I’m glad people didn’t fall for it.

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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AkataWoman: 10:32pm On Jul 06, 2019
Candace’s statement also overlooks the fact that the same population of Nigerians in America are also more educated than white Americans.

But as Americans we (black and white) have serious home court advantage. We don’t need to earn as many degrees to be as successful financially or professionally.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by fxbot: 9:18am On Jul 07, 2019
adebayo1998:
It's the Yoruba tribe that are making waves all over the world
fooolll. if it is igbo that said this now, you moooronics will call them chestbeaters
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Lionessza6(f): 1:34pm On Jul 07, 2019
izombie:
The victim mentality of the black americans is so pathetic. Same here in south africa. They feel like things should be given to them.

What are these things we feel we should be given ?. The millions of South Africans who wake up daily to make their country liveable and functional even for parasites like yourself are begging what from whom?. Bloody roaming criminal .
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by tck2000(m): 1:58pm On Jul 28, 2019
Tolexander:
Unfortunately, the Americans don’t know anything like Hausa, Yoruba or Igbo. All they know is Nigerians.

The reason we all have to join hands together to condemn every criminal acts perpetrated by Nigerians outside there and praise the hardworking ones promoting our country.

Yes
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Ugosample(m): 2:46pm On Jul 28, 2019
AkataWoman:
Candace’s statement also overlooks the fact that the same population of Nigerians in America are also more educated than white Americans.

But as Americans we (black and white) have serious home court advantage. We don’t need to earn as many degrees to be as successful financially or professionally.

I see
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Nobody: 12:44pm On Nov 03, 2020
Obi1kenobi:


You are only identifying cultural problems with black people. I talk about them too and get called racist. We have no disagreements there. But identifying those problems is not what is under dispute here, but your identifying the source of those problems as being welfare. That is a fallacy of right-wing argumentation in America that seeks to morally defend policies that erode the social safety net of American citizens. Economists have always known that the main reason Americans reject welfare is not because of their undying devotion to laissez faire capitalism, but their perception of black people and minorities leeching off the hard work of white people. If America was more racially homogeneous, there'd be far greater will to assist the underclass. You can argue that welfare does not solve the problems of black people, but you can't argue that it is the major cause of the problems of black people. The irresponsible spending patterns of black people for example persists through all income levels comparative to white or Asian Americans. From the wretched homeless guy on the street who still wants to own a smart phone to wealthy vulgar exhibitionists like Mayweather and all those rap stars, the same propensity for vain luxuries persist in black culture. This propensity is not magically eradicated when you take away the already ungenerous social programs that assist the most impoverished people. It just leads to even greater misery.
I disagree. You are clearly looking at things through a lens of race.
I believe you are Nigerian. Look around, a country like Nigeria where we are all black are doing poorly and the underclass are not being helped. While you might want to argue the issue of tribe in nigeria, It still doesn't prove true. For example, the Hausas have the widest wealth gap than any other tribe, having both the richest and poorest.


Something else you should know is equal opportunities do not equate equal outcome
If there's are two individuals, or groups, or races. One would surely be better than the other in different areas.
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by naija4life247: 10:23am On Jun 13, 2022
adebayo1998:
It's the Yoruba tribe that are making waves all over the world

Tbe topic of Discussion is Nigerians. Not Yorubas or Ibiobios or Ikwerres.

Don't get me angry this morning

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