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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by edibobo: 10:51am On Jul 17, 2019
They should vacate and let us be in peace
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by luluman: 11:08am On Jul 17, 2019
psucc:
I pity southerners that are still in the north. Especially those that have landed properties and build their whole life there.

In fact, there is something our people just take for granted but it has or speaks so loud.

How many cars do the Hausa own in the south?
How many houses do they build in the south? Or do we think that the business they undertake is not rewarding that they can afford them?, The truth is that the people knows the truth and tell it to themselves.
Same applies to those in Lagos.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by maasoap(m): 11:28am On Jul 17, 2019
Tolexander:
Nothing stops them from staying with their cattle in the north.

Let the south experiment with the absence of the herdsmen from here, and see if they have really been the culprit to the insecurity and menace in the south.
If after they’ve vacated the south Nigeria, and the menace still continues, then the manaces all the while were perpetrated by the southerners and not the herdsmen.
If the manace reduced after their exit, definitely, they are the culprits.


The south is volatile now and anything can spark at anytime. The security of the herdsmen isn’t guaranteed anymore.
Unfortunately, we have a clueless being at the helm of affairs.

Very dumb statement! The insecurity in the North is bigger than the one we have in the south. Why don't you agree that some southerners be chased away from the north to see if the peace will return too? Like there are no criminals among Southerners.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Bellotelli: 11:47am On Jul 17, 2019
ExAngel007:
i am out of this damn country
Am with ya all the way kiss kiss kiss

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by vikithor(m): 11:54am On Jul 17, 2019
most Nigerians are grossly ignorant about Buhari's evil plans.
one,he wants the killer Fulani non Nigerian to return home(north) get them registered has Nigerians by conferring citizenship status on them,
two
he will later dispatch them to south again, with Nigerian national I.D card, giving bold face to challenge any one of their residence status
three
they would have had a firmer grip on their host when ruga is re introduced
four
any resistance from south would birth more jihadistic killings as witnessing now

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Susu888(m): 11:57am On Jul 17, 2019
Daboomb:


These killer, Fulani herdsmen hasve been said to be imported from other Wst African Countries like Mali, Senegal, Chad, e.t.c and they are said to be Camped in various FEDERAL GOVT Forest Reserves (Tow in Ondo State alone) where they operate from.
This much was confirmed by Buhari himself who said they are from Libya and Nuhu ribadu who gave a detailed account of how they came to being.

Question is WHY have the Security Forces not stormed those Forests reserves adnd route out these terrorists?
Who is protecting them and issuing others for "stay of Action" against these Fulani terrorists?
And WHY are they under federal govt's protection?

If anyone listens to what the Interior Minister, Dambazzau has said in the recent past, What Buhari told the people of Benue, What Theophilus Danjuma alleged, What the President and General Secretary of MYETTI ALLAH Fulani Cattle Association has been saying with their demand for #160Billion if they are to stop the killings, the RUGA Land Grab attempt, what OBJ has alleged and What has been happening all over the Middle Belts and the South of Nigeria, it is impossible not to come to a conclusion:
These daily masacres are ORGANISED and Supported from the highest authorities in Nigeria, championed by that pretentious Buhari l voted for.



Below is an address by the former EFCC Boss, Nuhu Ribadu.



People would make sense of it, once we remove the 'political motive' out of it.






grin grin grin..... no offense man but how old r u?? Do u actually beleive wht u wrote? Imported fighters nd helicopters supplying food, drinks nd ammunition! undecided.

Abeg help me with the contact of ur weed supplier smiley .... i need strong stuff like the one u r high on! shocked Fairy tale kush.... mehn this kush go strong die.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Annie939(f): 11:57am On Jul 17, 2019
good one

Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Arda1000(m): 11:59am On Jul 17, 2019
Tolexander:
Nothing stops them from staying with their cattle in the north.

Let the south experiment with the absence of the herdsmen from here, and see if they have really been the culprit to the insecurity and menace in the south.
If after they’ve vacated the south Nigeria, and the menace still continues, then the manaces all the while were perpetrated by the southerners and not the herdsmen.
If the manace reduced after their exit, definitely, they are the culprits.

The south is volatile now and anything can spark at anytime. The security of the herdsmen isn’t guaranteed anymore.
Unfortunately, we have a clueless being at the helm of affairs.
supported
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Yujin(m): 2:14pm On Jul 17, 2019
Ikpongiton:
The beginning of the end to the unholy union, but the north can not survive it.they can not stand on their own.
How they live after the dissolution is non of your business. Just focus on the dissolution for your own good.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 2:48pm On Jul 17, 2019
emezuo17:
. Fulani are actually a minority tribe but they are in control of power and the North, what these Fulani elites are planning is to get as many Fulani as possible into Nigeria to change the demographic setting now that there patron is in power, nothing more nothing less

In addition to that, they have realised that "real power" lies in owning LAND and not in nomadic roaming about.
They have thus decided that they will own as much land as possible, in any country that allows them, using violence and terror to get their way.

Importing Fulani POPULATION and GRABBING LAND, is their twin objective.
They tried it in some West african countries including Ghana bu tthey were repelled by the authorities.


It is ONLY IN NIGERIA that one of them became the President/Ruler, an an ardent one for that matter.

So, he is using all the resources available to him, to pursue this "Land grabbing Agenda" of the Fulanis from all over West Africa, be it the military and other security forces, our financial resources, e.t.c

But to steal someones land, occupy it and live there perenially, is a more difficult objective to achieve because you will have to either exterminate all of them (which is the strategy of the Fulanis Buhari imported to Nigeria) or so much intimidate them that they cant fight back (which is similar to the situation of the Palestinians and the Israelis in the Middle East).

I was watching a TV programme this morning where one Fulani leader who was their guest said "Anywhere the nomadic Fulani has his COW and Family", is Their HOME and they are entitled to Land in those places, be it in Okigwe in the East, Oke Ogun in the South West or Tiv land in the Middle Belt or anywhere for that matter"

Now, anyone who examines that statement closely will see that the Fulanis have made up their mind to steal land from the indigenes, at all cost.
So the RUGA charade of Buhari being peddled by some uninformed and ignorant Nigerians (even in the affceted areas), is just a smokescreen for land-grab and it is a foundation for a prolonged tribal war which will make Rhuwanda and Somalia, child's play.

The Middle Belt and the people of Southern Nigeria (SE, SS, SW) better be prepared for what is about to hit them and stop all these 'between-themselves-bickering (especially the Igbos and Yorubas) otherwise, they will be wasted before they even realise it.
You dont have to agree, before you can forge a common front against a common EXISTENTIAL ENEMY.
Arm yourself properly and prepare to defend your fatherland against foreign Fulanis that your President has imported to kill you and take over your land.

Self Preservation and Self Defense is a spiritual obligation of every humanbeing.


BTW: A lot of the so called "Leaders" from Southern Nigeria, are prepared to throw their people under the bus and sell them out, just because they want to be in the "good books" of Buhari and they have a political ambition that they know could be affected if there is resistance from Southern Nigeria/Middle belt and they side with the truth.
Beware of such leaders because a house divided against itself cannot stand, those sort of leaders are the first that need to be weeded out, because they are traitors!
One of them has the effrontery to go to Pa Fasonranti's house, a day after his daughter was murdered by Fulani Herdsmen, to tell him to his face that "herdsmen are not kidnappers afterall, Evans was not a Herdsman"!
But l hope he was reminded that Evans does not operate from the forest and shoot and kill innocent people at random, notto mention that "survivors" saw and knew those who attacked them

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by jamace(m): 2:54pm On Jul 17, 2019
Indigenous people of Nigeria, don't mind this man o. Taqyya (deceit) is in his blood, just like the oga at the top.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 2:55pm On Jul 17, 2019
Susu888:







grin grin grin..... no offense man but how old r u?? Do u actually beleive wht u wrote? Imported fighters nd helicopters supplying food, drinks nd ammunition! undecided.

Abeg help me with the contact of ur weed supplier smiley .... i need strong stuff like the one u r high on! shocked Fairy tale kush.... mehn this kush go strong die.

First, leave 'age' out of it, there are stupid young people just as much as there are stupid old people.
That you are on weed does not mean you should comment on NL, each time you smoke your weed.


Now, to answer your question, l would simply refer you to the answer Mr. President gave, himself a Fulani and life-patron of the terrorist Myetti Allah Cattle Association, when asked about Fulani Herdsmen killing the people of Benue.

Mr. President said: These violent Herdsmen ARE NOT Nigerians, they are from other countries like Libya.
He said this, thinking that would absorb him of responsibility.

So, if the President, who is the C-in-C, who has access to all security briefings, says so, who the heck are you to question his assertions?

Look, the pretense is off, everyone knows whatsup now and people are ready to defend their land against all you FOREIGN Fulani invaders.


BTW: What l quoted was written by Nuhu Ribadu and he has not denied it till today, it is freely available on the internet and the Ribadu is still alive till today.

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 3:00pm On Jul 17, 2019
Bellotelli:

Am with ya all the way kiss kiss kiss

If every Southern Nigerian RUNS out of the country, what does it make them?
They become the refugees and the foreign Fulanis Buhari imported, becomes the owner of the country.

Down the line, if a trump-like President of that foreign country asks you to 'go back to your country", where will you come back to?
The same land you allowed the Fulani to occupy?

Think about it, dont be sacred and stand your ground

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 3:04pm On Jul 17, 2019
Tyche:


Yeah, very convenient. But you were too myopic to see that it was the threat from South West that necessitated the call from NEF.

Shut your dirty mouth there.
The SW has a right to defend itself from slaughter by som imported foreign Fulanis who come and kill them in their own land.
That is not a threat, it is a right.

The FUlanis can return to the North or Futa Jalon from where they came, who cares?
Southerners in the North too should/can return to the South (if anyoen wants to stay, they do so at ther own risk, this we have all known since the days of matasine Riots!)

Enough of all thse nonsense from Buhari and his Fulani leautenants.

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by MetaPhysical: 3:05pm On Jul 17, 2019
Daboomb:


In addition to that, they have realised that "real power" lies in owning LAND and not in nomadic roaming about.
They have thus decided that they will own as much land as possible, in any country that allows them, using violence and terror to get their way.

Importing Fulani POPULATION and GRABBING LAND, is their twin objective.
They tried it in some West african countries including Ghana bu tthey were repelled by the authorities.


It is ONLY IN NIGERIA that one of them became the President/Ruler, an an ardent one for that matter.

So, he is using all the resources available to him, to pursue this "Land grabbing Agenda" of the Fulanis from all over West Africa, be it the military and other security forces, our financial resources, e.t.c

But to steal someones land, occupy it and live there perenially, is a more difficult objective to achieve because you will have to either exterminate all of them (which is the strategy of the Fulanis Buhari imported to Nigeria) or so much intimidate them that they cant fight back (which is similar to the situation of the Palestinians and the Israelis in the Middle East).

I was watching a TV programme this morning where one Fulani leader who was their guest said "Anywhere the nomadic Fulani has his COW and Family", is Their HOME and they are entitled to Land in those places, be it in Okigwe in the East, Oke Ogun in the South West or Tiv land in the Middle Belt or anywhere for that matter"

Now, anyone who examines that statement closely will see that the Fulanis have made up their mind to steal land from the indigenes, at all cost.
So the RUGA charade of Buhari being peddled by some uninformed and ignorant Nigerians (even in the affceted areas), is just a smokescreen for land-grab and it is a foundation for a prolonged tribal war which will make Rhuwanda and Somalia, child's play.

The Middle Belt and the people of Southern Nigeria (SE, SS, SW) better be prepared for what is about to hit them and stop all these 'between-themselves-bickering (especially the Igbos and Yorubas) otherwise, they will be wasted before they even realise it.
You dont have to agree, before you can forge a common front against a common EXISTENTIAL ENEMY.
Arm yourself properly and prepare to defend your fatherland against foreign Fulanis that your President has imported to kill you and take over your land.

Self Preservation and Self Defense is a spiritual obligation of every humanbeing.


BTW: A lot of the so called "Leaders" from Southern Nigeria, are prepared to throw their people under the bus and sell them out, just because they want to be in the "good books" of Buhari and they have a political ambition that they know could be affected if there is resistance from Southern Nigeria/Middle belt and they side with the truth.
Beware of such leaders because a house divided against itself cannot stand, those sort of leaders are the first that need to be weeded out, because they are traitors!
One of them has the effrontery to go to Pa Fasonranti's house, a day after his daughter was murdered by Fulani Herdsmen, to tell him to his face that "herdsmen are not kidnappers afterall, Evans was not a Herdsman"!
But l hope he was reminded that Evans does not operate from the forest and shoot and kill innocent people at random, notto mention that "survivors" saw and knew those who attacked them

Very nice input, love it!

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 3:08pm On Jul 17, 2019
franchasng:
Funny enough, the herdsmen that do the killing and massacre are not the ones herding the cattle.

The ones that do the massacre and cause mayhelm are usually far away up north or Chad, Niger, etc, some they import from Somali, some from Boko Haram fighters who are paid by their association to come in and do a quick job and run back to their hide outs.

They usually come by boats through local rivers and then transported by trucks with cows in disguise, then they move through thick forests to their target communities.

If Nigeria must continue as one, we need to go back to regional government so every region can solely manage their security and Policing.

In that case, I will advice Southern leaders to invest in technology, drones with wide range surveillance cameras, highly fortified and well armed checkpoints at all southern boundaries to search every incoming vehicle with special gadgets that electronically scans and detects weapons and dangerous liquids.

Drones will be patrolling all southern thick forests to capture live zoomed videos and images of activities in the forests and if any suspicion, mobilize highly armed security men to that forest with air support.

These are the only ways to keep Southern Nigeria safe if not, no foreseeable headway


Idealy, you are right but you did not factor into your permuttation, that there are swaths of land all over Nigeria, including Southern Nigeria, which belongs to the Federal Govt and States don thave control over it....like the Federal Govt forest reserves.
These are the places where these imported, foreign terrorist Fulanis are camped.
Like you said, the killers ones are not hear to roam cattles, they are here specifically to commit genocide and they get paid #100Billion Naira by our President, for killing Nigerians and taking over their lands~
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 3:11pm On Jul 17, 2019
selemo:
Remember we still have[b] Nigeriens and Chadians that are in the south[/b].. These guys are more violent than the fulanis.Note that these guys make 65% of Boko-Haram..


They are still part of the foreign Fulanis that Buhari, El Rufai and Myetti Allah imported into Nigeria, to take over land in the South and Middle Belt.
Chadian FUlanis or Nigerian Fulanis are still Fulanis.
All of them must leave.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Nobody: 5:03pm On Jul 17, 2019
NYSC IMO 2011
Could remember during the elections when Innocent corpers were killed.
We were all lodging in the central mosque in the capital city.the hausas usually liked to live as a community so they settled themselves in a separate building from ours.
We appointed one of them as an Ameer and naibul Ameer.
When the killings started,the corpers called their people at home,but to our utmost shock,they were told to vacate immediately cus they had already forgotten about them.
Early I the morning,when we wanted to pray subhi,we were surprised that nobody called the adhan.we went to their building and to our amazement,there was no hausa corper there.all of them had boarded the early morning bus to their states.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by MetaPhysical: 5:13pm On Jul 17, 2019
YORUBA YOUTHS PROTEST IN ABUJA

- Some groups including the Yoruba Collectives have marched on the streets of Abuja to call attention to the rising cases of insecurity in Nigeria - Led by Comrade Ariyo-Dare Atoye, the protesters demanded for justice, restructuring and a review of the country's security architecture - The protesters also reminded President Muhammadu Buhari that Nigerians supported him massively in 2015 because of belief in his capacity to secure the country A group, the Yoruba Collectives, and some supporting organizations stormed Abuja on Wednesday, July 17, in protest against the killing of Funke Olakunrin, daughter of leader of Afenifere, Reuben Fasonranti, by suspected bandits.

The coalition which asked the presidency to take strong actions against criminals and those causing insecurity in the country, expressed worry that it is now difficult for farmers to go about their activities. The protesters, led by Comrade Ariyo-Dare Atoye, said they were demanding justice, restructuring and the overhauling of the nation’s security architecture from the federal government.

They also demanded an end to open grazing across the country. “Our nation is trapped and encircled by forces of anarchy and terror. Our people groan in pain. Our lands are subjected to evil capture while injustice thrives as a rule in our nation. “Woe betides a nation where truth is forsaken and falsehood is elevated to statecraft. Our dear nation Nigeria is at the brink of imaginable catastrophe except we act to stop the impending doom,” the group told journalists during the protest. The group lamented that critics of insecurity in the country are now tagged enemies of the current administration.

While noting that the security challenges predate the administration of President Muhammadu Buhari, but that the issues had been terribly aggravated. "Security trumps every other consideration for many Nigerians who worked selflessly in 2015 for the ascension of President Muhammadu Buhari to power.

"Even those who did not vote for President Buhari believed or had believed that security is one area where the president will excel, but today, even Katsina, the home state of our dear president is under the threats of bandits," the protesters said. The group said the murder of Olakunrin by suspected herdsmen along the Benin-Ore highway had brought to the fore the terrible experience of ordinary people and local communities in the hands of bandits.


Read more: https://www.legit.ng/1249377-yoruba-group-takes-protest-abuja-murder-fasorantis-daughter.html

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by MetaPhysical: 5:16pm On Jul 17, 2019
I trust my people. We might spend 100yrs in silence and in background, unmoved by anything and everything, but when you step on our tail you will wake fury.

Yoruba has been offended and Nigeria will hear us!

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Nobody: 5:36pm On Jul 17, 2019
fk001:
The southern (igbos) should also vacate Northern Nigeria



There safety is also at stake angry
We know the script you people are playing. When did north equate to Fulani? When did saying No to Ruga becomes hate to the north.
Any strategy of violence and forceful exist by the Fulani against the south will be matched by the southerners too.
Southerners will return home, but the same fate of eviction will befall all northerners working in the oil fields, in the maritime, traders etc.
Tit for tat, since you folks want to tell us that murderous fulani herdsmen now equate the peaceful working class Hausa's, Gbagyi, etc in the south.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by cosef: 5:39pm On Jul 17, 2019
WisdomFlakes:


Your bigotry is now seeping out. So Tinubu should have prevented Igbos and other non-indegenes from owning land in Lagos huh? I guess that would have won him accolades in your books. So I guess it's safe to say that it is a deliberate policy of Igbos in Igboland not to sell land to non-igbos unlike the 'foolish' Yorubas. Smh. It's really difficult figuring you Igbos out, really. Your bigotry is inborn. I just give up. You and daboomb can shove your bigotry up your assess.

But daboomb is Yoruba.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by fk001(m): 8:38pm On Jul 17, 2019
Chiwude:

We know the script you people are playing. When did north equate to Fulani? When did saying No to Ruga becomes hate to the north.
Any strategy of violence and forceful exist by the Fulani against the south will be matched by the southerners too.
Southerners will return home, but the same fate of eviction will befall all northerners working in the oil fields, in the maritime, traders etc.
Tit for tat, since you folks want to tell us that murderous fulani herdsmen now equate the peaceful working class Hausa's, Gbagyi, etc in the south.

You people can't even differentiate between Fulani and Hausa in your eyes Northerners are the same that's why you guys tag Ahmed lawan (senate president) of kanuri origin as Fulani, Tanko Muhammad (CJN) a Hausa man from Bauchi a Fulani, Buarati (COAS) a Babur Bura minority tribe from Borno you called him Fulani.

And you want me to believe you that you know the difference between Fulani and other tribes?
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 1:04pm On Jul 18, 2019
fk001:


You people can't even differentiate between Fulani and Hausa in your eyes Northerners are the same that's why you guys tag Ahmed lawan (senate president) of kanuri origin as Fulani, Tanko Muhammad (CJN) a Hausa man from Bauchi a Fulani, Buarati (COAS) a Babur Bura minority tribe from Borno you called him Fulani.

And you want me to believe you that you know the difference between Fulani and other tribes?

You are correct, every Northerner is not Fulani, every Fulani is not oen of those foreign, imported terrorists Buhari, El Rufai and Myetti Allah Cattle Association imported into Nigeria.

But the silence of the Hausas/Kanuri on this matter, speaks of COMPLICTY!
It appears these tribes align with the Fulani due to locality, Religion, Language and the unquenchable test for Political Power.
If they dont want to be lumped into the same basket, we should have had one or more of them speakout against the Slaughters of Farmers and ordinary people of the Middle Belt and Southern Nigeria.

IS the NEF made up if Fulanis alone?
Why then do they speak for the "People of the North", as one group?
Why have the Hausas and Kanuris not dissociated themselves from such calls as the one from the Northern Elders Forum?

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Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by Daboomb: 1:05pm On Jul 18, 2019
cosef:


But daboomb is Yoruba.

Please dont say for fact, what you dont know.
You dont have to be Yoruba or Igbo, to say the truth when it concerns Yoruba or Igbo.
Re: Northern Elders’ Forum Orders Fulani Herdsmen To Vacate Southern Nigeria by fk001(m): 8:43pm On Jul 18, 2019
Daboomb:


You are correct, every Northerner is not Fulani, every Fulani is not oen of those foreign, imported terrorists Buhari, El Rufai and Myetti Allah Cattle Association imported into Nigeria.

But the silence of the Hausas/Kanuri on this matter, speaks of COMPLICTY!
It appears these tribes align with the Fulani due to locality, Religion, Language and the unquenchable test for Political Power.
If they dont want to be lumped into the same basket, we should have had one or more of them speakout against the Slaughters of Farmers and ordinary people of the Middle Belt and Southern Nigeria.

IS the NEF made up if Fulanis alone?
Why then do they speak for the "People of the North", as one group?
Why have the Hausas and Kanuris not dissociated themselves from such calls as the one from the Northern Elders Forum?


Thesame way you guys are complaining about the Fulani herdsmen same goes to other minorities tribe up north that have been complaining of the Fulani onslaught on their people. I know many tribes in the North that the Fulani have been invading their farmlands and killing them but there is nothing they can do. However there are alot of good Fulani people everywhere it is just little percentage of them that are causing havoc.


You people in the south left the minorities tribe in the far north with little or no option that's why you will see them backing the fulani, because in your eyes all Northerners are thesame. "The devil you know is better than the angel you don't know"

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