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|The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:30am On Aug 03, 2019|
In the beginning of creation there was a divine purpose for which God created man.
The Bible says in Genesis 1: 26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27- So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28- And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
It is very clear from the scriptures that God ruled over every created thing, both spiritually and otherwise.
After the creation, God needed a representative on earth, made up of flesh, blood and bones who would take care of the earth, act on His behalf and have complete dominion and rule on the earth.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:38am On Aug 03, 2019|
it is very clear from the scriptures that God created Adam in His(God's) own image and likeness, and not in man's present image.
This means Adam was created after the order of God Himself and not after the order of angels.
It also says that after the creation of Adam , God saw that what He did was very good.
Adam was a man of unusual abilities.
Adam wasn't created to die (wether physically or spiritually or otherwise), but Adam got corrupted by sin and lost His Godlike abilities.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:46am On Aug 03, 2019|
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:49am On Aug 03, 2019|
Genesis 2: 19- And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20- And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21- And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22- And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
The scriptures say that God created Adam and Eve on the 6th day, then rested on the 7th day.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:56am On Aug 03, 2019|
Adam was a type of archetype for generations of men who came after him.
From the passage in Genesis 2 quoted above, we can deduce some facts.
1- Adam was formed before Eve
2- Adam gave names to all animals before God decided to form Eve.
What does this mean?.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:04am On Aug 03, 2019|
1- If Adam could give names to all animals before God formed Eve, that means Adam had an unusual type of wisdom, which no normal human could possess, except God.
2- If Adam could name all animals in 1 day, before God formed Eve, that means Adam had extraordinary speed which no human could possess except God.
3- It takes a man of supernatural might and strength to successfully name all animals in 1 day without getting tired.
4- It takes a man of supernatural courage to also achieve such feat, cos this proved that Adam had no atom of fear in him.
5- His dominion over the earth and all things in it was absolute.
From the little points stated above we see that Adam was indeed a god in human flesh
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by CodeTemplar: 12:47pm On Aug 03, 2019|
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by JMAN05: 5:10pm On Aug 03, 2019|
Man being made in God's image. I understand this to mean that Adam was created with the ability to exhibit God's qualities. He can love, be wise, be kind, goodness, etc
I don't think he was made in God's image means that he is godlike.
Man is still man, even though we have sinned. We are still in God's image, although not exhibiting God's qualities as a perfect man would. But we have the capacity/ability. It is still in us. True xtens today do love, are patient, good etc, only that we can do it perfectly.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by JMAN05: 5:19pm On Aug 03, 2019|
When the Bible use day in that Genesis, it doesn't literally mean 24hr period. He was not just created and immediately he began to name animals that same day. Even those in the sea and the once in the sky and even all the forest available. I don't see it so. For example see gen 2:4 which stated that the history of creating the heaven and Earth was done in "the day", not in the "days".
Meaning that all history of creation was there stated to have been made in a day. Not plural. So the use of "day" in Genesis need not be interpreted as a 24hr period.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:13pm On Aug 03, 2019|
Adam was created in God's image, meaning he was like God, but in human flesh.
Man is no longer in God's image, but in Adams image.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:25pm On Aug 03, 2019|
So you mean, after God created Adam, Adam rested for like 2-5 days before he named all animals or probably the day in Genesis was a 500 hour day.
You should have also said that those in Adams generation that the scriptures claimed lived more than 500 yrs each, was a wrong calculation.
The use of day in Genesis is exactly what it is DAY.
That is why God gave the children of Israel the Sabbath, because He rested on the 7th day.
Day in Genesis is what it is DAY.
The truth is that your natural mind cannot comprehend how powerful God is to have been able to create all things in 6 days that's why you try to reason that it's not the normal day.
Stop using your natural mind to understand the things of God, it would limit your understanding of God and His ways.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by JMAN05: 4:18am On Aug 04, 2019|
I don't see any natural mind issue here. The whole history of creation was said to have been made in just a day, not days according to Gen 2:4. That's one example to show what am saying.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by JMAN05: 4:31am On Aug 04, 2019|
Man is God's image, see Gen 9:5,6. 1Cor 11:7.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:50am On Aug 04, 2019|
You're quoting the scriptures out of context.
Genesis 2:1- Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2- And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3- And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4- These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Looking at it from chapter 1 the Bible clearly stated that for everyday, God made some things
In the beginning of chapter 2, it says He rested the 7th day, after spending 6 days in creating.
Remember that the scriptures wasn't written in chapters and verses, it was only divided by Bible scholars for better reading and understanding.
The chapter 2:4 , that you're even quoting spoke strictly talks about heavens and earth.
We can agree to disagree, so that I can continue with my thread.
Are you a born again Christian?.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:56am On Aug 04, 2019|
The Hebrew word used for man in Genesis 9:5-6 , is actually Adam, so that place should have read Adam and not man.
When apostle Paul was talking about man in God's image in Corinthians, he was referring to Adam, who was made in God's image, he also spoke about woman being made in man's image and that reference was to Eve.
He was making a reference to creation.
We can agree to disagree so that I can continue with my thread, cos I'm actually trying to bring out a point by what I'm saying, so you can allow me land.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:57am On Aug 04, 2019|
As I progress, you'll get to understand what I've been trying to say.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by JMAN05: 7:45pm On Aug 04, 2019|
When u are through, I will talk more then.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:01pm On Aug 04, 2019|
As I stated earlier before I was derailed, Adam was made perfect and without sin.
Adam was made after the order of God, but in human flesh.
Adam had all going well for him, till he sinned by eating the forbidden fruit.
After Adam sinned, he lost his perfection and became imperfect.
If Adam had not sinned mankind wouldn't have needed medicine to cure sicknesses, cos sickness came upon man as a result of sin.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 11:07pm On Aug 04, 2019|
If Adam had not sinned things like, homosexuality, lesbianism, murder, rape, stealing, cultism, witchcraft, fornication, adultery, bestiality, idolatry, hatred, envy, bitterness, drunkenness, drug addiction, e.t.c wouldn't have existed.
The most painful part of it was that Adam had no offspring until after he sinned and this brought doom upon mankind.
Adams actions had great consequences upon the entire mankind and that's what led us to where we are today.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by OCTAVO: 3:15pm On Aug 05, 2019|
I have some observations about the part of your post in bold.
1. Are you saying in essence that man's present image is different from what it was when man was created?
2. If you say Adam was created in the image of GOD and not after the order of Angels, does it mean GOD's image is different from His Angels? Because according to Genesis 1:26 you quoted above, GOD was definitely talking to some people "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by JMAN05: 4:43pm On Aug 05, 2019|
Are you through now?
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Jozzy4: 5:55pm On Aug 05, 2019|
Is Eve in Gods image?
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by LordReed(m): 6:11pm On Aug 05, 2019|
It is very clear from real life the Christians have no supernatural power.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by MuttleyLaff: 5:36am On Aug 06, 2019|
EnthronedbyGod:Very well put and well said
EnthronedbyGod:What point are you making with the emboldened and/or what is its relevance with the preceded comment or rest of the general comment please?
EnthronedbyGod:What specifically did God see that what He did was very good please and may we have the scripture that corroborates your given reply
EnthronedbyGod:You mean like defiance, as in, have bold disobedience among the unusual abilities, hmm?
EnthronedbyGod:Adam was a man of unusual abilities, just as OP has put forward, and so part of "the unusual abilities" is Adam's power to choose whether to die or not die, to choose whether he wants to die or he doesnt want to die
EnthronedbyGod:OP, earlier typed that "it is very clear from the scriptures that God created Adam in His (God's) own image and likeness, and not in man's present image" and further typed saying that "this means Adam was created after the order of God Himself"
What does OP think is the image of God and what's in God's likeness all about? Well in an oversimplified way "image of God" and "His likeness" are "Hebraism". They are a Hebrew idiom or expression. The image of God is about, God expressing Himself. It is God, projecting Himself and the Godhead. It is God, protruding and extending Himself outwards beyond the essence of the Godhead.
OK, let's do it this way, I am quite sure you're familiar with how artists express themselves with their particular form of art, even you too, do express yourself with specific hair styles or hair do etcetera, but if taking this image and expressing oneself thing seriously, then as regards, the "whats the image of God" question, the image of God, is about God, uninhibitedly expressing Himself through giving some insight into what the Godhead is all about, and so God did this, with and through using the creation of man, as the art form. Man is meant to be the image of God, as in, be a creative self-expression of the Godhead, this is God showing who He is, but this image got marred after the fall from grace, as in, the quality or appearance of the image got spoiled. The image got spoiled after Adam & Eve rejected and opposed God. The wholeness and godliness of the image, got lost and broken after the fall, though fragmented pieces of it still remained. So Adam got corrupted by sin and thereafter lost whatever Godlike abilities he had.
EnthronedbyGod:It means Adam and Eve, their minds were endowed with accelerated knowledge
Man's knowledge can go beyond his experience. The acquistion of knowledge doesnt all have to be experiential (i.e. first-hand)
People are known to learn from other people's experience. Besides God taught Adam well and well enough. Adam had the best Teacher in the whole wide world, at his disposal to throw questions at, in any quest to gain knowledge and more knowledge.
Evidently, Adam was subjected to an accelerated learning process or program, which purposeful was to allow him to think and make reflective judgment(s) concerning what he sees with his eyes, like the ability to name animal species according to how he sees them, how he understands the species to be etcetera. He also had the ability to choose what to believe or what not to believe.
EnthronedbyGod:Upon being created, Adam and Eve were not like growing babies or 3 year olds. Adam was created a grown man. He and Eve were not created as children nor created childish. Adam and Eve did not gradually change physically or progress to maturity as a child would do. Adam and Eve were created fully grown, made and developed to be responsible for their actions. Their minds, as previously stated, were endowed with accelerated knowledge and so the capacity and/or capability to name the animal species, is from the onset, incorporated in Adam
EnthronedbyGod:It was the animal species that Adam successfully named, not all animals
In fact, we currently have between 1-2 million animal species and we are made to understand that 10,000 new species of animals are discovered each year. IMHO, I strongly believe, Adam started off naming animal species and left the rest for us to name
EnthronedbyGod:"The fear of the LORD is where wisdom begins, and knowing holiness demonstrates understanding", so says Proverbs 9:10. What benefit has Adam's fearlessness, as in, having no atom of fear in him, positively gained him, hmm?
EnthronedbyGod:The dominion didnt last more than a day though, as everything crumbled and came crashingly tumbling down, in the last hour
EnthronedbyGod:Adam, indeed was a god in human flesh, but after eating of the tree, he increasingly became more of a god in human flesh
EnthronedbyGod:Yes, this comment is absolutely correct, as I am sure OP agrees and accepts that, God in Genesis 1:26 had said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" but in Genesis 1:27, man was only made in His image, and nothing about the other half, the likeness is mentioned. It wasnt until Genesis 5:1, that the subject "likeness of God" ever had the chance surface and appear on the creational order scene, and even that likeness, its first appearnce, is shortlived, because by Genesis 5:3, when Adam had his son, the son is in Adam's likeness, after Adam's image and not anymore in God's image an likeness. The image and likeness of God because of the fall from grace, is no more there already. Man is no longer in God's image, but is in Adam's image. Man is in Adam's likeness, after Adam's image.
EnthronedbyGod:You werent being derailed. You were taken upon with genuine but had the good sense to wrestle back control of the thread in the direction and pace you wanted it.
EnthronedbyGod:If Adam was made perfect, there wont be the chance of him sinning. I am 110% certain you have no biblical verse to support to your statement that Adam was made perfect
EnthronedbyGod:Adam lost being real. Adam lost his realness after which the jouney to perfection, to becoming perfect, to being perfect got a kickstart.
The Hebrew verb has two states, the perfect state and the imperfect state. The perfect state indicates completed action. The imperfect state indicates incomplete or continuous action, or action in progress. Adam was a work in progress, never was a perfected state. There was no perfection, if to say Adam was made perfect like OP did say, then it means, Adam is unable to sin and if unable to sin, then means he doesnt need to be improved on because he is already perfect.
The question now is, why did Adam sin?
EnthronedbyGod:"1As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man who had been born blind.
2His disciples asked him, “Teacher, whose sin caused him to be born blind? Was it his own or his parents' sin?”
3Jesus answered, “His blindness has nothing to do with his sins or his parents' sins. He is blind so that God's power might be seen at work in him."
- John 9:1-3
Aside the John 9:3 reply from John 9:1-3 above, there are other reasons why God allowed the pandora box of homosexuality, lesbianism, murder, rape, stealing, cultism, witchcraft, fornication, adultery, bestiality, idolatry, hatred, envy, bitterness, drunkenness, drug addiction etcetera to open and the contents get unleashed upon the world. Afterall from out of the blackened pot, white pap comes out
EnthronedbyGod:Yep, like I previously above typed, the dominion didnt last more than a day though, as everything crumbled and came crashingly tumbling down, in the last hour
If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know and wont understand whats going on with that "in the last hour" remark
EnthronedbyGod:Well, it is what it is. We've moved on from that Adam derailment and now are back on track
OCTAVO:Yes, man's present image is different from what it was when man was created. Ignore the "... after the order of Angels ..." part of the OP comment
Jozzy4:Where are you going with this question, hmm? I think I suspect what you're aiming to bring up with it, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt and let you by yourself, gladly show your hand
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:18am On Aug 06, 2019|
1- The natural man's image is very different from what it was when God created Adam.
2- Adam was created perfect without sin, however he had a free will to do what he wanted and that's what led him to sin, cos he chose to use his free will to disobey God.
3- Adam was created in the image of God, but in human form and without sin, but he lost that image after he chose to use his free will to disobey God and that's when sin crept in.
The present natural man's image is imperfect and comes naturally with sin right from birth and that's why David said " in sin did my mother conceive me".
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:27am On Aug 06, 2019|
Angels come in different forms, there are cherubim, seraphim, zoa, beasts, and different forms. There are so many angels that don't have the outward look like the natural man, but God doesn't come in forms.
Angels were created strictly to serve both human and God's purpose.
The word angel also means messenger, that's why Paul called them ministering spirits in Hebrews.
God rules over all creatures, and the natural was created to be a god on the earth and was given total dominion over the earth and all creatures in it, but he lost that god status and handed it to satan when he sinned, that's why satan is called the god of this world, but it wasn't so from the beginning.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:50am On Aug 06, 2019|
Yes, God was talking but it wasn't to angels.
1- The book of genesis was written by Moses through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
2- The word God in Genesis is gotten from the Hebrew word Elohiym
Elohiym is the plural of Eloahh which means God, so for Moses to use the word Elohiym means there was more than one God that was actively working at creation.
3- The entire God head was present during creation that's why Moses used the term Elohiym which actually translates to Gods, but the English translators used the word God, knowing that they were 3 in 1.
4- When God said let us, He was referring to Jesus and the Holy Ghost and not the angels, cos the angels are God's creation and not co-creators
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:53am On Aug 06, 2019|
5- Job said the Spirit of God has made me and the breath of the Almighty has given me life thus recognising 2 different beings, while John on the other hand said about Jesus " all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made.
6- These scriptures substantiate the reason why Elohyim was always used for God in the old testament and nor Eloahh, thus confirming the doctrine of the Trinity.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 10:55am On Aug 06, 2019|
Got to go now, will answer other questions and continue when I'm back.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by OCTAVO: 2:01pm On Aug 06, 2019|
EnthronedbyGod:Okay, quite insightful. Did some checks too. It would have been better if you corroborate your posts with Hebrew translations where necessary. We are all learning.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Paulscholari(m): 4:06pm On Aug 06, 2019|
Nice one broda..but there are some things i will like to point out.
24hrs is not A Day to God.
even the heavenly elements that brought about 24hrs a day to our earth were not made in human calculation of 24hours.
in some planets like Pluto a day is 153.3 hours, venus is 5,832 hrs, while a day in jupiter is just 9 hours, i hope you understand it now. and it is God that created all these heavenly element and their ordinances.
now going scriptural, Jesus spoke to the pharisees and says "if you destroy this temple, i will raise it up in 3days," apparently he was not only talking of his physical body alone that rose up on the third day but also the church which is his body, now its past two days in God's timing and we are in the dawn of the third day and that's why the coming of our Lord Jesus is inevitable in this millennium. even the scripture says a thousand years to a man is like a day to God 2peter 3:8.
Adam was created in the image and likeness of God, he acted as God in the garden with the limited knowledge God gave him to have at that time, but he wasn't God yet not until he ate that fruit...that was when he became a God. when you read the scripture especially at the conclusion of creation the bible says and God sees that everything he made was ''Good'' not "'perfect'' why, because they are expected to learn and grow into perfection, but God did something wonderful he embedded all that processes in a single tree and made it bear fruit in the middle of the garden. if you watch this film Matrix, the first of its episode you will see where this guy (Neo) was given options, take this blue pill and you will begin to learn and understand...or take this red pill and you know instantly. Adam skipped that process and became perfectly imperfect and the worst part, he became a God, a perfectly imperfect God. there is no single human born of the purest virgin that we can call perfect apart from Our Lord and Savior Jesus born of a divine conception!!! the fruit Adam ate was not meant to be digested within 24hrs, its a fruit that contains infinite wisdom and knowledge, but Adams brain capacity is slow to accumulate it not even in billions of years, and now you have been seeing the result of it...modern technologies everywhere, i tell you this, men have not seen anything yet as far as what that fruit will make men do to the universe not even to earth alone!! but why was God against it? simply because 1. it was a disobedient act against the creator, against a higher being, and that has to be punished...secondly the thought of man is evil. being led into disobedient by the devil, he will tow the devils path which definitely he did, when you look at what is happening in the world now even before now you can attest that most of men's work are evil. Thirdly, God doesnt share his glory, with his obedient children yes but not with disobedient ones and for you to disobey Him and keep walking in that disobedient you have become an enemy to him, the scripture says I have said, Psalms:82:6-7 Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes...this pronunciation was made even before Christ came, and when He came we receive him into our lives to make us Sons of God. Yes we are children of the most high because He birth us through Adam, our origin is from him and thats why disobedient souls receive punishment as gods "eternal flames" and this is one of the reason why devil hated men so much, he made men to fall in order to humiliate God...Christ came to born in us the Spirit of the Perfect God in us, that is the reason why anyone that doesnt receive him does himself a great misfortune and unjustice, making himself a perpetual enemy to God. birthing the spirit of God in us doesnt mean we will be perfect on earth but our perfection will be fully attained when we finally made it home.
And in naming of the animals, Adam did so according to what God had showed him in the heavens, not like in giving them personal names but naming them into position of authority, just as God has done to Adam. i will drop my pen here and continue to enjoy the flow...thanking you for reading through, God bless you.
|Re: The Christian- The god-man( The Fullness Of God In Man) by Nobody: 9:57pm On Aug 06, 2019|
If you have any thing to say on this issue kindly open another thread and do so, cos I can see you're bent on arguing and i don't entertain arguments.
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