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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Jones4190(m): 3:55pm On Aug 04, 2019
They hailed Kanu and made him a fugutive. They hailed Fayose until the rock of Ekiti became pebles. They hailed Saraki and he became a political orphan. They hailed Atiku and he is still searching for INEC server. Now, they just hailed Sowore and see where their hailing has landed him. May we not be hailed by the wailers.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by orunto27: 3:56pm On Aug 04, 2019
The man is Sowore. You start using undue Koboko on him when you call him Sowere. Have you seen the difference?
Revolution is English, which like all English words can be manipulatively and mechnically used either innocently or mischievously.
Did anyone find weapons on him? Injustices of a paranoid Government.
What do you call Herdsmen now killing Police and the Military in the NE? This is Insurrectional Reprisal worse than a Revolution innocently spoken. And the Police are talking "Seditious Felony, where do they get this jaw breaking allegation from? Small Sowore. And you want to wake up Awolowo to defend him? This is a Democracy. So pease release him.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by NGpatriot: 4:02pm On Aug 04, 2019
ifyboy60:


Bro, many Nigerians are living are violent life everyday, if a violent revolution will fix our issues then so be it.
can it be worst for those in BH affected areas in NE, or those in the south killed by cultists.


America, the land of democracy with the same kind of system of government we practice in Nigeria is facing an even worse form of violence every day, just today in less than 24 hours, 34 Americans perished via violent gun deaths, so, please show us where and how Americans are chanting, demanding and staging violent revolution to overthrow their democratically elected government.

Btw, have you signed yourself and the able body people in your family to take part in the violent revolution or you are just a keyboard internet revolutionary warrior?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by orunto27: 4:04pm On Aug 04, 2019
This Government doesn't listen and can't stand innocent criticisms.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by luluman: 4:10pm On Aug 04, 2019
ariesbull:


Becuse thwy stupidity is awesome and blindness legendary...we would leave one day and you guys can continue with your shìt hole dwelling and stop begging us to stay it is shameful


You wanna fight, fight alone.You wanna secede, secede on your own. You want war, start it by yourself. Don't look for anybody ( Shiites or SS etc) to join you.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by koboko69: 4:13pm On Aug 04, 2019
ifyboy60:


Mr. Socrates von Aristotle, u are a waste of my time.


U obviously cant realise how foolish u were sounding...

All those u mentioned, did they mention or are they after revolution?

They after their ideologies which are 2 different things. Next time u want to sound intelligent u have to be wise and smart about it. Lol. I didnt want to dignify u with a response.....but i think u need to realise u are the real dunce here. Sorry to say

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by TSRC: 4:26pm On Aug 04, 2019
Buhari will not be there forever. I don't have time pandering to backward bigoted nutjobs.

We will revisit this thread in the future when the actors on the stage change.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by TSRC: 4:31pm On Aug 04, 2019
VULCAN:
This would have made a bit more meaning if it wasn't coming from a confirmed BMC.

As it is it is nothing but tripe. Anybody that can sing praises of this present govt has been cheaply bought.

How can a country that is not at war be losing thousands of soldiers and civilians monthly to terrorists yet the President was a soldier?
No wonder he never got any stellar result in all the courses he undertook in the Army. Always coming bottom of the class.

In 2022 he will attempt to change the constitution to enable a third term and bastard BMC's will come out to support it.

All the pains that Nigerians are going through will be repaid in the lives of Buhari supporters and their children after them.

So much pain and poverty in the land. Tufiakwa!
Our consolation is that no matter what buhari would not be there more than four years.
There is no magic he can conjure.

Unfortunately, the old man has racked up so much negative precedence, we could have a near dictator in the future.

Any future president can just basically do anything at this stage and he would say buhari did it first.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 4:33pm On Aug 04, 2019
Stillthebest:


I wasn't contradicting myself. Words are never meant to be one way.

Then as to JF Kennedy, I wouldn't right him off neither would I accept his views in totality. They use the information at their disposal during their time to qualify and quantify events. That doesn't make them right all the time. That's why you see postulation in science being countered and corrected over time when there is an improvement and when there's a new scholar who can prove them wrong and make us believe in their own New theory.

So going by the definition of REVOLUTION in the dictionary, I had given my perfect insight and JF might not be correct or the dictionary we inherited from them isnt correct.

As to Shiites, I wasn't part of the protest and consequently, I wouldn't have known what brewed to cause the violence other than they got violent or the police got violent on them. One thing must lead to the other. And such is expected in a protest especially in Africa.

Repeatedly , I didn't claim Govt arrested Sowore because of the word REVOLUTION, only gave an insight on what more pragmatic words he should have used.

I had explained what warriors and commoners are!

U say "words are never meant to be one way", but yet u insist that d only meaning of revolution available is "violent takeover/overthrow. That already is a contradiction. When I first quoted JFK, this is what I said:

"Let me begin by quoting JFK when he said that "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Which means that there are two types of revolution, violent and nonviolent. What happened in Sudan this year which led to d fall of d Omar al-Bashir govt,wasn't a violent revolution. D only violence recorded was that meted out to protesters by security agencies. Same can b said of d Arab spring particularly in Egypt which was called a "social media revolution". So ur definition that revolution is "forceful takeover/overthrow", isnt universal& doesnt apply in all cases."

So based on science that u mentioned and I quote:

"that's why you see postulation in science being countered and corrected over time when there is an improvement and when there's a new scholar who can prove them wrong and make us believe in their own New theory".


my explanation about revolution above are empirical facts, "new theory" (which u ignored) which provide evidence that revolution isn't restricted to "violent takeover/overthrow". U are d one who is even doing d opposite of science that u talked about.

U weren't part of d Shiite protests, hence u don't no what caused d violence but u knew that d shiites fulfilled their mission of wanting a bloody protest. That's interesting. How did u no that they fulfilled their mission since u don't no what caused d violence?

So if u say u didn't say or imply that Sowore was arrested because he used d word "revolution", then y was he arrested? What are those "pragmatic words" did u say he should have used?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by netpro(m): 4:33pm On Aug 04, 2019
therealpeace:
This is another definition you omitted "a dramatic and wide-reaching change in the way something works or is organized or in people's ideas about it"

Buhari was reelected to lead as President over the affairs of the nation. The question is why is the disgruntled elements now inserting themselves after they contested and lost.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by ariesbull: 4:41pm On Aug 04, 2019
luluman:
You wanna fight, fight alone.You wanna secede, secede on your own. You want war, start it by yourself. Don't look for anybody ( Shiites or SS etc) to join you.

Are we fighting with you or secceeding with you....you must be an imp I tell you ....
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Stillthebest: 4:41pm On Aug 04, 2019
lexy2014:


U say "words aren't meant to one way", but u insist that d only meaning of revolution available is "violent takeover/overthrow. That already is a contradiction. When I first quoted JFK, this is what I said:

"Let me begin by quoting JFK when he said that "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Which means that there are two types of revolution, violent and nonviolent. What happened in Sudan this year which led to d fall of d Omar al-Bashir govt,wasn't a violent revolution. D only violence recorded was that meted out to protesters by security agencies. Same can b said of d Arab spring particularly in Egypt which was called a "social media revolution". So ur definition that revolution is "forceful takeover/overthrow", isnt universal& doesnt apply in all cases."

So based on science that u mentioned and I quote:

"that's why you see postulation in science being countered and corrected over time when there is an improvement and when there's a new scholar who can prove them wrong and make us believe in their own New theory".


my explanation about revolution above are empirical facts, "new theory" (which u ignored) which provide evidence that revolution isn't restricted to "violent takeover/overthrow". U are d one who is even doing d opposite of science that u talked about.

U weren't part of d Shiite protests, hence u don't no what caused d violence but u knew that d shiites fulfilled their mission of wanting a bloody protest. That's interesting. How did u no that they fulfilled their mission since u don't no what caused d violence?

So if u say u didn't say or imply that Sowore was arrested because he used d word "revolution", then y was he arrested? What are those "pragmatic words" did u say he should have used?



The quoted*** May be you should re read my comment as regards this. I said if that's their mission from the outset, even without announcing it, they have fulfilled it.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 4:46pm On Aug 04, 2019
[quote author=bakescos01 post=80931684][/quote]
[b]
"Let me first let you know am a Christian and is not like am backing Shiite for anything but am just trying to state the obvious. Like I said earlier Nigerian Police are not well trained in handling riot-related issues. I blamed the Nigerian Police for that Shiite incident. I for one did not see in any video the Shiite guys holding any weapon. I believe we don't know the true story about what really went down. Am against this government also but sometimes we have to use the right words so they won't hold on that as an excuse. There excuse about this protest is justifiable even under our Nigerian constitution. No government will allow a revolution to move against them and also using Days of Rage and also. And also coming from a Presidential Aspirant that just lost the election. How would we all feel if Atiku says he is leading a protest of revolution and asking for a new Nigeria. Is not just coming from a normal Nigerian citizen but a recent presidential Aspirant. Sowore should have known better except if he has other plans that we all don't know about. I really don't trust all these guys like that. We will be shocked to know he is even working with APC. Just a suspicion."[/b]

I didn't ask u to support d Shiites or not to support them. Ur religious affiliation has absolutely nothing to do with d discussion. This is about d constitution and d rights of Nigerians which are being trampled upon.

In everything u said, u didn't address d issues that I raised. U are still insisting that "revolution" is a wrong word to use in staging a protest. And I asked u about Tuface and u had this to say:

"He didn't even use a word like REVOLUTION yet they stopped him and didn't let the protest happen."


Y then did govt stop d tuface protest?

Concerning d Shiites, did d Shiites use d word "revolution"? Y have they been called a terrorist group just because they are fighting that d govt obeys a court order? Did they ask 4 "revolution" or that a court order b obeyed?

Based on d above, is this an issue of choice of words or d intolerance of this govt to protests and dissent? Cos d example of tuface and Shiites has nothing to do with revolution

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 4:56pm On Aug 04, 2019
Stillthebest:



The quoted*** May be you should re read my comment as regards this. I said if that's their mission from the outset, even without announcing it, they have fulfilled it.


Maybe u should re read where u said u didn't no what caused d violence that led 2d deaths of several Shiite members and compare it what u said I should re read. If u say u are ignorant about what went down as regards d protests, then u shouldn't b telling us about d Shiite mission that u say they fulfilled without announcing it. If u don't no, u don't no. If u are implying that d Shiites had a sinister agenda, then y aren't also implying that d govt also had a sinister agenda since u are feigning ignorance on one end and knowledge on d other end
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gawu1: 5:07pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


Exactly, you allow people to protest then if the protest turns violent, then you can call in the Army to restore law and order.

This has nothing to do with overthrowing government. When Sowore was calling for a revolution, he said he wants people to come out and join him in protest against the direction Nigeria is heading. He never said anything about taking up arms or being violent.

Arresting Sowore because he mentioned the word 'revolution' would be tantamount to arresting people simply for talking.

Only somebody armed can overthrow a government. So if Sowore and his group are not armed and only want to on a protest which they call 'revolution', then arresting him is only because he talked.

We are in a democracy where people have freedom of speech. The authorities should not be arresting people for merely talking. That is very bad and takes us back to the days of the military where saying the wrong words could land one in jail
When book haram started no body knew they were armed to large extent to on the military. So, who can tell whether these so-called 'revolution mongers' are armed or not. Remember, it was after the gang leader met with the leader of the already out law ipob group outside the country some few days ago that he started announcing his ' revolution'.
At any rate revolution and protest are two different words which l believe Soware and gangs quiet understand what each entails, their consequences and end products. Therefore, using a word like revolution ( which means violence change) against a constitutionally instilled government is detrimental and no government on earth would seat adamant and allow some disgruntles elements and election losers to unconstitutionally upturn it free given mandate just because they are not satisfy with the way of things.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Govo4me2u(m): 5:09pm On Aug 04, 2019
Afamed:
"I'm not talking of protest. I'm embarking on revolution. 85% of Nigerians are in support. Don't tell me about legal implications or what a Judge will say. I don't care. We must bundle Buhari out of that place...."

Omoyele Sowore....... July 25, 2019.

Exhibit C!

Sowore go suffer for prison. Planning to overthrow a legitimate government


2019 election was rigged, therefore this government is not legitimate.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Govo4me2u(m): 5:11pm On Aug 04, 2019
Jones4190:
They hailed Kanu and made him a fugutive.
They hailed Fayose until the rock of Ekiti became pebles.
They hailed Saraki and he became a political orphan.
They hailed Atiku and he is still searching for INEC server.
Now, they just hailed Sowore and see where their hailing has landed him.
May we not be hailed by the wailers.

Is this the Nigeria you pray for your children?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by koboko69: 5:30pm On Aug 04, 2019
Govo4me2u:


2019 election was rigged, therefore this government is not legitimate.
Mtcheeeeew!!!

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by bewla(m): 6:09pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


In Sudan it was the military that overthrew the president and not the protesters
how did the revolution start before the military came in Algeria Egypt Morocco Philippines
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by NGpatriot: 6:14pm On Aug 04, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJmHhc5SrnA



We want to prepare Nigerians for what is to happen, we want this country to experience a revolution. We are going to take our destiny in our own hands - Sowore.




Before the arrest, it was Revolution and overthrowing the government, but after the arrest, it's no longer Revolution, it's time to start playing the victim and hiding under peaceful protest and human rights.

This is when deceptive, dubious and lying crooks promise to liberate you based on their own selfish reasons and inability to console themselves, but, burn down the country after serious beating at the polls.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Ikinternational: 6:27pm On Aug 04, 2019
Cherrybae:
Remember the ipobs started a revolution unarmed and later started using heavy arms

This made the FG to proscribe them as a terorist Group.

So I dont think any govt will fold their arms and allow such revolution protest.

We dont want another ipobs uprising in Nigeria

Even on a Sunday, you can lie like this. Tufia

Please name those terroristic acts performed with those heavy arms. Surely you can right?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 6:42pm On Aug 04, 2019
stdammis:


Do you think that second definition would happen without the first one?

Of course! It happend in South Africa. Nobody needed to overthrow the government of FW de Klerk before apartheid system was removed in South Africal and replaced with multi-party democracy. It was the agitation and protest of the people that did that.



Which government would want you to change them without a fight. I understand that sowore meant protest. But calling it revolution is the wrong move. Any government would wanna cap any revolution movement before it grows into something they cant control.

Freedom of protest is in the constitution and protest is what Sowore called for. The fact that he tagged the protest 'revolution' is of no consequence. Only an armed group can change government and Sowore is not armed.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by willyjacs(m): 6:44pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


Exactly, you allow people to protest then if the protest turns violent, then you can call in the Army to restore law and order.

This has nothing to do with overthrowing government. When Sowore was calling for a revolution, he said he wants people to come out and join him in protest against the direction Nigeria is heading. He never said anything about taking up arms or being violent.

Arresting Sowore because he mentioned the word 'revolution' would be tantamount to arresting people simply for talking.

Only somebody armed can overthrow a government. So if Sowore and his group are not armed and only want to on a protest which they call 'revolution', then arresting him is only because he talked.

We are in a democracy where people have freedom of speech. The authorities should not be arresting people for merely talking. That is very bad and takes us back to the days of the military where saying the wrong words could land one in jail
oga revolution in politics mean one thing.... U don't use the word "revolution" for a protest in the face of a sitting government anywhere in the world.
No government will sit and watch a protest tagged revolution turn violence before reacting.... It's better to stop the protest in case it becomes bad in the end....
When it becomes violent, it won't be easy to control it then..... if at the end, lives get lost, its still we that'll come out complaining.

In any government anywhere in the world,a protest tagged "revolution" is termed a "treason".

Even if u don't like the government, use another term for the protest.

That's just the truth whether we like it or not.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Onliie(m): 6:53pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


That's like saying that all young boys should be shot because an armed robber first starts off as young boy, grows into a man, takes up arms and starts robbing people.

Should we kill all young boys because of the possibility that some of them could be armed robbers in the future? No, that would be very stupid. That's how stupid your argument is

Freedom of expression and protest is enshrined in section 39 of the Nigerian constitution. The authorities are bound by law to allow people to freely protest. If the protest turns violent, then the authorities can move in and arrest the violent protesters. That is how civilised countries act
Have you heard of Arab springs
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Afamsi: 7:28pm On Aug 04, 2019
koboko69:


How does this relate to this thread. In all ur rambling i did not see anyone call for revolution against the US government. There have also been several calls for Buhari's impeachment, PDP have attacked several times, we have seen FFK, RENO on the social media....have any of them been picked up. Make noise on the internet that u want to start a revolution protest in the states and see if CIA or FBI will not pick u up
It is clear enough that you one of Buharis puppies, if not you wont be wasting so much time and energy defending him. If your barbaric president had not made inciting statements in the time of GEJ I would seen a good reason the arrest of sowore. But the idiot now in Aso Rock is not innocent as far as careless use of words is concerned: if you still remember he promised to make the past govt ungovernable, that is a treasonable felony, yet nobody arrested him.. But to prove his dictatorship he runs after everyone who says anything bad about him.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by NGpatriot: 7:39pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


Freedom of protest is in the constitution and protest is what Sowore called for. The fact that he tagged the protest 'revolution' is of no consequence. Only an armed group can change government and Sowore is not armed.


Why put your own words and interpretations in his mouth?

Please stop, we know the meaning of revolution, we heard him, he's on audio/video shouting revolution and taking things in his own hands.

He can not use violence or even revolution to take away the choice the Nigerian majority made at the polls where he himself contested and lost.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 7:52pm On Aug 04, 2019
Onliie:
Have you heard of Arab springs

Dont bring the Arab spring into this, none of the countries that had the Arab spring was a democracy like Nigeria.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 7:54pm On Aug 04, 2019
willyjacs:
oga revolution in politics mean one thing.... U don't use the word "revolution" for a protest in the face of a sitting government anywhere in the world.
No government will sit and watch a protest tagged revolution turn violence before reacting.... It's better to stop the protest in case it becomes bad in the end....
When it becomes violent, it won't be easy to control it then..... if at the end, lives get lost, its still we that'll come out complaining.

In any government anywhere in the world,a protest tagged "revolution" is termed a "treason".

Even if u don't like the government, use another term for the protest.

That's just the truth whether we like it or not.

So the terms people use in a democracy is what gets them arrested? So to talk has become a crime? Laughable
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by stdammis(m): 8:26pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


Of course! It happend in South Africa. Nobody needed to overthrow the government of FW de Klerk before apartheid system was removed in South Africal and replaced with multi-party democracy. It was the agitation and protest of the people that did that.

Freedom of protest is in the constitution and protest is what Sowore called for. The fact that he tagged the protest 'revolution' is of no consequence. Only an armed group can change government and Sowore is not armed.

I feel like we are saying the same thing. If a protest can get us there, then fine protest it is.
But theres no revolution without some level of violence. This government is paranoid already. They knew a day will come when people will wake up. So when sowore called revolution, he spooked them. Again, his only crime is that he called revolution and not protest even though he meant protest. But as a bad government comfortable with oppressing your citizens, the world revolution means war against them....and you should know they will come for you.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by enfuse(m): 8:33pm On Aug 04, 2019
We need to learn to be dispassionate and focus on issues at hand. We need not allow emotions to cloud our clarity of thoughts as being displayed by some people here. Having disjointed thoughts has never helped in problem solving.

The poster asked a simple straight forward question - Will any government in the world sit and watch a 'revolution' protest?
The answers should be - yes or no with reasons regardless of what had happened in other protests in the country.
Mixing issues with issues is not helping the poster who is seeking for your inputs. I believe as Naijas if we play down on our emotions and take issues one after the other, we would move out of the woods.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by sapoyoro(m): 8:37pm On Aug 04, 2019
NGpatriot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJmHhc5SrnA



[b][/b]



Before the arrest, it was Revolution and overthrowing the government, but after the arrest, it's no longer Revolution, it's time to start playing the victim and hiding under peaceful protest and human rights.

This is when deceptive, dubious and lying crooks promise to liberate you based on their own selfish reasons and inability to console themselves, but, burn down the country after serious beating at the polls.
lol burnt down a country that is burnt already?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Onigbindemmd: 8:44pm On Aug 04, 2019
femy080:
it seems you are tipsy
Y can't u pass by my opinion,you and your is tipsy .....idiot

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