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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Hairyrapunzel: 2:50pm On Dec 20, 2019
Janosky:


I can see that the truth dey pain you for brain.
The major reason NL triune pagan devotees hate the Greek Lexicon for the exposure of their FRAUD.

Your own fraud (gb) that told you that you must worship God through them (gb) nko?

Na you them don do 419. Because gb promised you paradise earth you now had to give your brain to them lol.

They call another person belief fraud whereas your leaders and religion are the real fraudsters.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 4:24pm On Dec 20, 2019
chrmn1:

He was chosen before He came to earth
(past) but no matter how far back he was chosen, that event was preceded by His glory state which was also a spiritual reality.
Father said he chosed his SERVANT. ( Isa 42:1) he wasn't even on Earth when this pronouncement was made .



If Jesus was always a servant there would be no need for him to be transformed to the form of a servant.
Define form ? SMH, form of a servant is another way of reffering to human nature. Doesn't rule out that he was a servant in heaven

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Hairyrapunzel: 4:48pm On Dec 20, 2019
CAPTIVATOR:

Father said he chosed his SERVANT. ( Isa 42:1) he wasn't even on Earth when this pronouncement was made .


Define form ? SMH, form of a servant is another way of reffering to human nature. Doesn't rule out that he was a servant in heaven


When did they say Jesus was a servant in Heaven. Give us a bible passage. I know you can never provide one.

You will just create assumptions inside your head/imagination and make it your belief. Lol

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 10:36pm On Dec 21, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
I am sure you didn't read and/or didnt understand Finallydead's assessment of you, lol.
* John5:37,38.
37 And the Father who
sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You
have never heard His voice nor seen His
form, 38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He sent.


Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is My
beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!"
*****
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You are My
beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."
************
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a
bodily form like a dove. And a voice came
from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in
You I am well pleased."
********************
1 John 5:9
Even if we accept human testimony, the
testimony of God is greater. For this is the
testimony that God has given about His
Son."

** Carry your wayo throway for sewage dump.**

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by MuttleyLaff: 10:50pm On Dec 21, 2019
Janosky:
* John5:37,38.
37 And the Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have never heard His voice nor seen His form,
38 nor does His word abide in you, because you do not believe the One He sent.

Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!"
*****
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."
************
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."
********************
1 John 5:9
Even if we accept human testimony, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony that God has given about His Son."

** Carry your wayo throway for sewage dump.**

MuttleyLaff:
Janosky, I am 10000% sure that, you will NEVER find it in you, to present here, where the Bible in Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Genesis 6:4, Jude 1:6, Genesis 6:4, 1 Peter 3:19 and/or 2 Peter 2:4 specifically says that the "sons of God" are angels, lol. All you'll be able to do is try your usual "wuru-wuru" "wayo-wayo" and "cunning-man" devious way(s) to give an answer

Janosky, whilst we are awaiting you oblige the immediate above humble request, why dont you please paste here:
1/ As many translations of Job 1:3 that you can lay your hands on
2/ Also paste here, a reliable interlinear of Job 1:3 for both of us, to together, study, examine and compare it with what you've pasted up for #1 above, lol

If you have the balls, try me, tempt fate now, and just oblige all three requests lol, and watch Janosky, especially with the last two requests, how your argument and your defence, that "sons of God" are angels, is blown out of water, and that's going to be even before your performance has got the chance to get off the ground, lol, bwahahaha.
We will see who is the real "wuru-wuru-to-the-answer" "wayo-wayo" and "cunning-man-die" here, lol and thats if at all, you'll already answer or respond to the above three request
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:06am On Dec 22, 2019
PrincewithGod:
A Doctrine that Unites and Divides
The doctrine of the Trinity has been called the most puzzling doctrine in the Christian faith and the central truth of the Christian faith. Which is it? Inscrutable puzzle or central truth? The answer is, both are true.

This doctrine unites all true Christians and separates us from those who are not Christian. You may believe and still not be a Christian, but if you deny this doctrine in your heart, you are not a Christian at all.

The Trinity is a doctrine that all Christians believe but no one really understands. That much should be clear from this message. If you try to explain the Trinity, you will lose your mind. But if you deny it, you will lose your soul.

Someone asked Daniel Webster, who happened to be a fervent Christian, "How can a man of your intellect believe in the Trinity?" "I do not pretend fully to understand the arithmetic of heaven now," he replied. That's a good phrase—the arithmetic of heaven.

The Trinity should cause us to bow in humble adoration before a God who is greater than our minds could ever comprehend.

Let us rejoice that we have a Triune God who has provided for a Trinitarian salvation. When we were lost in sin, our God acted in every Person of his being to save us. The Father gave the Son, the Son offered himself on the Cross, and the Holy Spirit brought us to Jesus. We were so lost that it took every member of the Godhead to save us.

In 1774 a man named Ignaz Franz wrote a hymn of praise to the Trinity: Holy God, We Praise Your Name. Verse three may serve as an apt conclusion to this message.

"Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit, Three we name you;
While in essence only one, undivided God we claim you.
Then, adoring, bend the knee, and confess the mystery."

Indeed it is a mystery, and with all the saints we bend the knee in worship before our great God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

-Dr. Ray Pritchard is the president of Keep Believing Ministries.


You have chosen to be ignorant, that's all. And so it is to all who believe that God is triune. Really, what is crooked cannot be made straight.

Read the history of the trinity doctrine objectively. Read about the council of Nicaea and the council of Constantinople all in the 4th century C. E. If you really want to serve God the way the Patriachs of old and the first century Christians served God, then the trinity is not for you. In the words of Sir Isaac Newton I rest this case: "...the trinity is a 4th century pagan corruption on Christianity."

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:54am On Dec 23, 2019
PrincewithGod:
Why are we going up and down on this issue of Trinity when the answer is in us? We are made in the image of God, so we are trinity: Body, Soul and Spirit. So is God: Father, Word and Spirit (1John 5 : 7). The Word was made flesh (John 1 : 14) whom was named JESUS, The CHRIST.

The trinity is a manmade doctrine that borrows heavily from paganism and Greek philosophy and was developed long after the Scriptures were completed. Therefore, this doctrine could never have come from Scripture anyway and has to be taught alongside the Bible. And so if you had never heard of it, you would never come up with it yourself from just reading the Bible alone. As a result, you will also find that eisegesis has to be used to convince others of this doctrine

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 10:57am On Dec 23, 2019
BIBLESPEAKS:


The trinity is a manmade doctrine that borrows heavily from paganism and Greek philosophy and was developed long after the Scriptures were completed. Therefore, this doctrine could never have come from Scripture anyway and has to be taught alongside the Bible. And so if you had never heard of it, you would never come up with it yourself from just reading the Bible alone. As a result, you will also find that eisegesis has to be used to convince others of this doctrine
Repeating a lie several times over, even very vehemently and in company with other people like your fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, is not going to make it true.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 1:04pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

Repeating a lie several times over, even very vehemently and in company with other people like your fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, is not going to make it true.

*John6:46*
"Not that anyone has ever
seen the Father; only I, who was sent from
God, have seen him."

* John5:37,38.
37 And the Father who sent Me has
Himself testified about Me. You have
never heard His voice nor seen His
form,
38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He
sent.

Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven
said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom
I am well pleased!"
*****
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You
are My beloved Son; in You I am well
pleased."
************
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on Him
in a bodily form like a dove. And a
voice came from heaven: "You are My
beloved Son; in You I am well
pleased."
********************
1 John 5:9
Even if we accept human testimony,
the testimony of God is greater. For
this is the testimony that God has
given about His Son.". (Matt13:13-17).

** ***
The Trinity claims the One true God sent himself ( or sent another, 'God' not himself.)
Either way you look at it, it's a flaw in the Trinity scam, NOT according to Scripture or the testimony of Jesus Christ.



The next LIE is that a serving Israelite King is God> Psalm 45:6( MSG,.JB) "Your throne is of God forever." >Hebrew 1:cool. 2Sam7:5,12-16. Psalms 89:20,26-29. 1Chro28:5. 29:23. Luke1:30-33.
Rev3:12,21. Your "deity" says he sits on the throne of God, his Father in heaven.
That is, the throne of David ( his human ancestor) is the throne of God.
Shikena !!

**********
We know who is LYING, certainly NOT Jesus Christ or the holy Scriptures.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by PrincewithGod(m): 1:39pm On Dec 23, 2019
BIBLESPEAKS:


The trinity is a manmade doctrine that borrows heavily from paganism and Greek philosophy and was developed long after the Scriptures were completed. Therefore, this doctrine could never have come from Scripture anyway and has to be taught alongside the Bible. And so if you had never heard of it, you would never come up with it yourself from just reading the Bible alone. As a result, you will also find that eisegesis has to be used to convince others of this doctrine
Or satan in his quest to always copy and fake God's attributes and works has corrupted the Triune nature of the Almighty God in the heart of man by paganism. Did you say the doctrine is not from the Bible? Read 1John 5 : 7. For your information the Doctrine of Trinity has been taught from the days of the ancient Jews. Read the attached texts please.

Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Hairyrapunzel: 1:45pm On Dec 23, 2019
PrincewithGod:

Or satan in his quest to always copy and fake God's attributes and works has corrupted the Triune nature of the Almighty God in the heart of man by paganism. Did you say the doctrine is not from the Bible? Read 1John 5 : 7.

Your governing body is not in the bible
Paradise earth is not in the bible
Pioneer is not in the bible
Publisher is not in the bible
Kingdom hall is not in the bible
Judicial committee is not in the bible
Theocracy is not in the bible
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by PrincewithGod(m): 2:00pm On Dec 23, 2019
Hairyrapunzel:


Your governing body is not in the bible
Paradise earth is not in the bible
Pioneer is not in the bible
Publisher is not in the bible
Kingdom hall is not in the bible
Judicial committee is not in the bible
Theocracy is not in the bible
Sorry, am no Jehova's witness please.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by PrincewithGod(m): 2:02pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

Repeating a lie several times over, even very vehemently and in company with other people like your fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, is not going to make it true.
Oh, He's a Jehovah's witness?

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 2:02pm On Dec 23, 2019
Hairyrapunzel:


Your governing body is not in the bible
Paradise earth is not in the bible
Pioneer is not in the bible
Publisher is not in the bible
Kingdom hall is not in the bible
Judicial committee is not in the bible
Theocracy is not in the bible

PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel, try to cool your brains! cheesy

The post you're responding to is not JW's, it belongs to one of the trinitarians you're trying to support! cheesy

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 2:04pm On Dec 23, 2019
PrincewithGod:

Sorry, am no Jehova's witness please.

Deadi bodi get accident! wink

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 2:16pm On Dec 23, 2019
Janosky:


*John6:46*
"Not that anyone has ever
seen the Father; only I, who was sent from
God, have seen him."

* John5:37,38.
37 And the Father who sent Me has
Himself testified about Me. You have
never heard His voice nor seen His
form,
38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He
sent.

Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven
said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom
I am well pleased!"
*****
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You
are My beloved Son; in You I am well
pleased."
************
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on Him
in a bodily form like a dove. And a
voice came from heaven: "You are My
beloved Son; in You I am well
pleased."
********************
1 John 5:9
Even if we accept human testimony,
the testimony of God is greater. For
this is the testimony that God has
given about His Son.". (Matt13:13-17).

** ***
The Trinity claims the One true God sent himself ( or sent another, 'God' not himself.)
Either way you look at it, it's a flaw in the Trinity scam, NOT according to Scripture or the testimony of Jesus Christ.



The next LIE is that a serving Israelite King is God> Psalm 45:6( MSG,.JB) "Your throne is of God forever." >Hebrew 1:cool. 2Sam7:5,12-16. Psalms 89:20,26-29. 1Chro28:5. 29:23. Luke1:30-33.
Rev3:12,21. Your "deity" says he sits on the throne of God, his Father in heaven.
That is, the throne of David ( his human ancestor) is the throne of God.
Shikena !!

**********
We know who is LYING, certainly NOT Jesus Christ or the holy Scriptures.
https://www.nairaland.com/5352739/please-need-trinitarians-explain-hebrews#81157181
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 2:16pm On Dec 23, 2019
PrincewithGod:

Oh, He's a Jehovah's witness?
Yes he is.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 2:22pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

Yes he is.

Don't be in a hurry Sir, soon all your religions will be DEAD, then you'll notice the one and only group belonging to God (Jehovah's Witnesses).

By then you'll all find it easy to attack us because we will never stop worshiping together as Jehovah's Witnesses! wink

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 4:17pm On Dec 23, 2019
Maximus69:


Don't be in a hurry Sir, soon all your religions will be DEAD, then you'll notice the one and only group belonging to God (Jehovah's Witnesses).

By then you'll all find it easy to attack us because we will never stop worshiping together as Jehovah's Witnesses! wink
Hello.

I understand that your kind has a strong case of persecution complex, but your post is unjustified paranoia. I only answered a direct question without offering any opinions about you or any Jehovah's Witness, nor will you find any post of mine where I have even so much as wished ill upon any of you. I don't even typically debate your positions anymore. I have said on this forum that I don't discuss with Jehovah's Witnesses.

I hold that you are some of the most disrespectful people toward the Bible. But I don't think that you are the only ones that are. The Roman Catholics are just as bad. The Mormons too. Nearly every single church I've been in is to some degree and I was born and brought up in the Methodist Church and I have tried out more churches than I remember in my lifetime. So, that I have a policy not to waste time discussing the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses does not mean that I will ever kill or celebrate any murder of them. Your fate is in the Lord's Hands, and I know that He will not deal kindly with you if you do not repent, but I am convinced that you don't care about that, so I leave you to Him.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 4:34pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

Hello.

I understand that your kind has a strong case of persecution complex, but your post is unjustified paranoia. I only answered a direct question without offering any opinions about you or any Jehovah's Witness, nor will you find any post of mine where I have even so much as wished ill upon any of you. I don't even typically debate your positions anymore. I have said on this forum that I don't discuss with Jehovah's Witnesses.

I hold that you are some of the most disrespectful people toward the Bible. But I don't think that you are the only ones that are. The Roman Catholics are just as bad. The Mormons too. Nearly every single church I've been in is to some degree and I was born and brought up in the Methodist Church and I have tried out more churches than I remember in my lifetime. So, that I have a policy not to waste time discussing the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses does not mean that I will ever kill or celebrate any murder of them. Your fate is in the Lord's Hands, and I know that He will not deal kindly with you if you do not repent, but I am convinced that you don't care about that, so I leave you to Him.

No problem, i've forewarned you.

All your Churches will soon betray you, but when you see what i just told you happening, don't join others in attacking JWs.

Because by then JEHOVAH'S judgment will come speedily upon all our enemies!

Look! I have FOREWARNED YOU! undecided

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 4:51pm On Dec 23, 2019
Maximus69:


No problem, i've forewarned you.

All your Churches will soon betray you, but when you see what i just told you happening, don't join others in attacking JWs.

Because by then JEHOVAH'S judgment will come speedily upon all our enemies!

Look! I have FOREWARNED YOU! undecided
When I first saw your posts on this forum, my sense of you was that you could actually reason through things. I am not sure what happened to that ability you had to think, but you did not use it here. I just pretty much said that I don't go to any church, not unless being under the Ichthys Ministry counts as going to church (I do count it as such, but since it is not a typical "church," most people who know me don't consider what I do as going to church).

As for your warning, as I have just said, the betraying thing does not apply to me. But I do know that when the Antichrist is revealed, he is going to co-opt pretty much every religious organization to serve him. Perhaps yours will oppose him and many of you will be killed for it, but it is also possible that yours will be co-opted by him as well, since you actually hate the Truth and are unwilling to submit to it, that is, to God's Witness regarding Jesus Christ in the Bible. Everyone who does will either join the Antichrist or foolishly seek to fight against him. Neither will augur well for them.

Those who really do have to watch out are those who love the Truth. They will neither join the Antichrist nor go to war against him. Their business is to wait for deliverance from their Lord upon His Return. So, you have nothing to fear from me. I am working right now to learn all the Truth that I can for the dark times that are coming. When they do arrive, if the Lord is pleased to have me still here on Earth then, I will be very likely too busy helping those who are finally ready to listen to the Truth to learn everything that they can (and they will include some of your own number, I'm sure) to be killing anybody, much less Jehovah's Witnesses. Chances are that I will be killed myself at that time. I don't know. The Lord only knows.

So, here's my own piece of advice and warning to you: quit your lies and face the Truth so that you will be saved and preserved from the Wrath that is coming.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 5:26pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

When I first saw your posts on this forum, my sense of you was that you could actually reason through things. I am not sure what happened to that ability you had to think, but you did not use it here. I just pretty much said that I don't go to any church, not unless being under the Ichthys Ministry counts as going to church (I do count it as such, but since it is not a typical "church," most people who know me don't consider what I do as going to church).

As for your warning, as I have just said, the betraying thing does not apply to me. But I do know that when the Antichrist is revealed, he is going to co-opt pretty much every religious organization to serve him. Perhaps yours will oppose him and many of you will be killed for it, but it is also possible that yours will be co-opted by him as well, since you actually hate the Truth and are unwilling to submit to it, that is, to God's Witness regarding Jesus Christ in the Bible. Everyone who does will either join the Antichrist or foolishly seek to fight against him. Neither will augur well for them.

Those who really do have to watch out are those who love the Truth. They will neither join the Antichrist nor go to war against him. Their business is to wait for deliverance from their Lord upon His Return. So, you have nothing to fear from me. I am working right now to learn all the Truth that I can for the dark times that are coming. When they do arrive, if the Lord is pleased to have me still here on Earth then, I will be very likely too busy helping those who are finally ready to listen to the Truth to learn everything that they can (and they will include some of your own number, I'm sure) to be killing anybody, much less Jehovah's Witnesses. Chances are that I will be killed myself at that time. I don't know. The Lord only knows.

So, here's my own piece of advice and warning to you: quit your lies and face the Truth so that you will be saved and preserved from the Wrath that is coming.

Hmmmmmmmmm, I can sense something in your comment.

Unconscious lies

You are lying but not even aware of it! embarassed

My friend, you can't say you're not going to any church yet you're loaded with the nonsense and ingredients they infused in the brains of their followers! cheesy

If you're not going to Church, then it's either you're a worshipper of other Deities NOT the God of the Bible, because there is no isolation in worship!

Jesus sent his followers to bring pure worship to you and i, so there is no way you can know Jesus without the teachings of one religious group claiming Christians! And if you're no more associating with those who preached Jesus to you, and you've not found a better performing group, it simply means you're NOT submissive to those taking the lead amongst the worshipers of God! Hebrew 13:7,17

So stop DECEIVING YOURSELF!

You can't be an isolated follower of Christ who has abandoned the GATHERING of Christians {Hebrew 10:24-25}, Jesus will also abandon you! Matthew 12:30 undecided

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 5:39pm On Dec 23, 2019
Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmmm, I can sense something in your comment.

Unconscious lies

You are lying but not even aware of it! embarassed

My friend, you can't say you're not going to any church yet you're loaded with the nonsense and ingredients they infused in the brains of their followers! cheesy

If you're not going to Church, then it's either you're a worshipper of other Deities NOT the God of the Bible, because there is no isolation in worship!

Jesus sent his followers to bring pure worship to you and i, so there is no way you can know Jesus without the teachings of one religious group claiming Christians! And if you're no more associating with those who preached Jesus to you, and you've not found a better performing group, it simply means you're NOT submissive to those taking the lead amongst the worshipers of God! Hebrew 13:7,17

So stop DECEIVING YOURSELF!

You can't be an isolated follower of Christ who has abandoned the GATHERING of Christians {Hebrew 10:24-25}, Jesus will also abandon you! Matthew 12:30 undecided
There is only one reason that I answered you: it is because I thought of you as one of the more reasonable Jehovah's Witnesses here. It was also why I answered BIBLESPEAKS, but I have seen many times that these things are barely skin-deep with those who hate the Truth. For such people, the intellect and civility does not last long when they have to deal with the Truth, so, for example, an atheist may be a brilliant scientist or artist, but the same brilliance becomes incredible foolishness when they address themselves to the Truth. I've seen this so many times that I still talk to people like you only because I believe in giving each individual the benefit of the doubt if they have earned it somehow.

For what it is worth, let me repeat what I already said:

1. I was born and brought up in the Methodist Church.

2. I've been to many churches and followed many ministries in my life (in fact, I started reading Awake! and Watchtower magazines from the moment I could read: there were so many in our house when I was little - they were packed in stacks!).

3. I currently am under the Ichthys Ministry (link in previous post).

4. Most people don't refer to #3 as "going to church."

5. I consider my study under Ichthys to be truly "going to church," since there the purpose of assembling together (i.e., to learn the Truth and encourage one another in the Truth) is truly fulfilled.

Nonetheless, I will not be betrayed by Ichthys because I know the quality of the pastor-teacher and of those I have met through that pastor-teaching ministry.

Also, I have nothing more to say to you. This was a courtesy response. I have never found discussions with Jehovah's Witnesses to be desirable, so I am never enthusiastic about it. You have only given me one more reason to be even less enthusiastic about it. So, it is unlikely that I will respond any further to you. I will only do so, if you say something I consider either necessary to respond to or worth responding to for my own personal reasons.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 5:55pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

There is only one reason that I answered you: it is because I thought of you as one of the more reasonable Jehovah's Witnesses here. It was also why I answered BIBLESPEAKS, but I have seen many times that these things are barely skin-deep with those who hate the Truth. For such people, the intellect and civility does not last long when they have to deal with the Truth, so, for example, an atheist may be a brilliant scientist or artist, but the same brilliance becomes incredible foolishness when they address themselves to the Truth. I've seen this so many times that I still talk to people like you only because I believe in giving each individual the benefit of the doubt if they have earned it somehow.

For what it is worth, let me repeat what I already said:

1. I was born and brought up in the Methodist Church.

2. I've been to many churches and followed many ministries in my life (in fact, I started reading Awake! and Watchtower magazines from the moment I could read: there were so many in our house when I was little - they were packed in stacks!).

3. I currently am under the Ichthys Ministry (link in previous post).

4. Most people don't refer to #3 as "going to church."

5. I consider my study under Ichthys to be truly "going to church," since there the purpose of assembling together (i.e., to learn the Truth and encourage one another in the Truth) is truly fulfilled.

Nonetheless, I will not be betrayed by Ichthys because I know the quality of the pastor-teacher and of those I have met through that pastor-teaching ministry.

Also, I have nothing more to say to you. This was a courtesy response. I have never found discussions with Jehovah's Witnesses to be desirable, so I am never enthusiastic about it. You have only given me one more reason to be even less enthusiastic about it. So, it is unlikely that I will respond any further to you. I will only do so, if you say something I consider either necessary to respond to or worth responding to for my own personal reasons.

I don't even expect you to last this long because those who replace bad for good and good for bad always run away when their secret has been exposed! Luke 20:40 compared to Isaiah 54:17


So you're free to take your leave, but know that Jesus DON'T KNOW YOU if you're not working with his team! wink

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 6:30pm On Dec 23, 2019
Maximus69:


I don't even expect you to last this long because those who replace bad for good and good for bad always run away when their secret has been exposed! Luke 20:40 compared to Isaiah 54:17


So you're free to take your leave, but know that Jesus DON'T KNOW YOU if you're not working with his team! wink
There are many who love to quarrel and show off their so-called knowledge. This forum is awash with them. I was certainly like them, at least, to some degree between 2012 and 2015. I am not anymore. Whenever I join a conversation here, I have a reason to: either to answer a biblical question or to respond to a challenge to the Christian faith. I only remain in such a conversation as long as I need to in order to defend my answers up to a reasonable extent. Once I am convinced that I have, I exit the conversation.

In fact, the Bible does say this about people who never seem to stop arguing:

9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Titus 3:9-11 KJV

And it also says this to pastor-teachers and all believers:

23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 2:23-26 KJV

And we have also Paul's examples:

6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
Acts 18:6 KJV

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Acts 28:23-28 KJV

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 7:32pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

There are many who love to quarrel and show off their so-called knowledge. This forum is awash with them. I was certainly like them, at least, to some degree between 2012 and 2015. I am not anymore. Whenever I join a conversation here, I have a reason to: either to answer a biblical question or to respond to a challenge to the Christian faith. I only remain in such a conversation as long as I need to in order to defend my answers up to a reasonable extent. Once I am convinced that I have, I exit the conversation.

In fact, the Bible does say this about people who never seem to stop arguing:

9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Titus 3:9-11 KJV

And it also says this to pastor-teachers and all believers:

23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 2:23-26 KJV

And we have also Paul's examples:

6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
Acts 18:6 KJV

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Acts 28:23-28 KJV

AVOID FOOLISH QUESTIONING, means when you're sure such a person don't have interest in knowing the TRUTH! The truth can never have two facets so it's either one religious group have it or the other, two different religions with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings can't be true at the same time!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses can rightly apply this.

Why?

Because it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that goes to speak with people in their homes about faith, all other religionists stand in public places speaking indiscriminately into the air without any particular person to spur a response!

As for all other religionists, it's on faceless social media like this that you come on board to argue fruitlessly for no reason.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 8:01pm On Dec 23, 2019
Maximus69:


AVOID FOOLISH QUESTIONING, means when you're sure such a person don't have interest in knowing the TRUTH! The truth can never have two facets so it's either one religious group have it or the other, two different religions with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings can't be true at the same time!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses can rightly apply this.

Why?

Because it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that goes to speak with people in their homes about faith, all other religionists stand in public places speaking indiscriminately into the air without any particular person to spur a response!

As for all other religionists, it's on faceless social media like this that you come on board to argue fruitlessly for no reason.
When you say, "AVOID FOOLISH QUESTIONING, means when you're sure such a person don't have interest in knowing the TRUTH," I couldn't agree more. That is precisely why I have a policy not to discuss with Jehovah's Witnesses, as I said. Sometimes, when I find one that appears to be reasonable, I give them the benefit of the doubt to see if they will listen to the Truth. Each time up to now though, I have only proved that it is wiser to simply not speak to you. You have no interest in the Truth. That is aptly demonstrated in the elaborate effort that your organization went to to mistranslate the Bible in order to sell the lies you prefer to the gullible. It's the same thing that the Roman Catholics did too. People who are not afraid to distort the Word of God Himself are people to avoid.

As for your claim that your organization is the only one that knows and teaches the Truth because you go house to house to bother people who don't want to be bothered by you, I have not seen a single place in the Bible that teaches that that is how you know those who are truly of Christ, not one place. In fact, I see multiple involving believers like Paul teaching in public places and debating all sorts of people in all kinds of places in order to help them turn to the Truth. A notable example is the following:

16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, to the unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Acts 17:16-34 KJV

That's just one example of many. Our Lord Himself spent a great deal of His Ministry teaching crowds in public using parables and debating the teachers of the law too in public. We don't often see Him going house to house bothering people. He did send His Disciples (both the 12 in Matthew 10 and the 70 in Luke 10) to teach in different cities, but we see no injunction that they go from house to house. In fact, He commanded the 70 to not keep going from house to house. Yet, somehow, you consider the fact that your organization does this to be proof that you are the true Christians?

You accuse "other religionists" of coming to faceless forums to argue for no reason, but have you looked at your profile recently? Or the profiles of your fellow Witnesses? What do you do here for hours on end everyday? And why do you do it, if others do it for no reason?

Those who are true Christians are those who believe in Jesus Christ, God Who became Man to die for the sins of the whole human race and was resurrected to become the Father's King over all Creation (John 3:16-18; 6:29), not those who go about bothering people in their homes, much less those who bother them with lies.

I do agree with you that two contradictory things cannot both be true, so if the Jesus that one person proclaims is true God and true Man and the One that another proclaims is not, then they are not the same Person and one or both of them is false. Thank God that we have the Bible to know that it was the Great God Himself Who undertook to redeem us from our own wickedness and the just consequence of all our rebellions, so we can be sure what is the Truth and be blessed by believing it, in spite of assaults like the Jehovah's Witnesses' upon it.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 8:40pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

When you say, "AVOID FOOLISH QUESTIONING, means when you're sure such a person don't have interest in knowing the TRUTH," I couldn't agree more. That is precisely why I have a policy not to discuss with Jehovah's Witnesses, as I said. Sometimes, when I find one that appears to be reasonable, I give them the benefit of the doubt to see if they will listen to the Truth. Each time up to now though, I have only proved that it is wiser to simply not speak to you. You have no interest in the Truth. That is aptly demonstrated in the elaborate effort that your organization went to to mistranslate the Bible in order to sell the lies you prefer to the gullible. It's the same thing that the Roman Catholics did too. People who are not afraid to distort the Word of God Himself are people to avoid.

As for your claim that your organization is the only one that knows and teaches the Truth because you go house to house to bother people who don't want to be bothered by you, I have not seen a single place in the Bible that teaches that that is how you know those who are truly of Christ, not one place. In fact, I see multiple involving believers like Paul teaching in public places and debating all sorts of people in all kinds of places in order to help them turn to the Truth. A notable example is the following:

16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, to the unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Acts 17:16-34 KJV

That's just one example of many. Our Lord Himself spent a great deal of His Ministry teaching crowds in public using parables and debating the teachers of the law too in public. We don't often see Him going house to house bothering people. He did send His Disciples (both the 12 in Matthew 10 and the 70 in Luke 10) to teach in different cities, but we see no injunction that they go from house to house. In fact, He commanded the 70 to not keep going from house to house. Yet, somehow, you consider the fact that your organization does this to be proof that you are the true Christians?

You accuse "other religionists" of coming to faceless forums to argue for no reason, but have you looked at your profile recently? Or the profiles of your fellow Witnesses? What do you do here for hours on end everyday? And why do you do it, if others do it for no reason?

Those who are true Christians are those who believe in Jesus Christ, God Who became Man to die for the sins of the whole human race and was resurrected to become the Father's King over all Creation (John 3:16-18; 6:29), not those who go about bothering people in their homes, much less those who bother them with lies.

I do agree with you that two contradictory things cannot both be true, so if the Jesus that one person proclaims is true God and true Man and the One that another proclaims is not, then they are not the same Person and one or both of them is false. Thank God that we have the Bible to know that it was the Great God Himself Who undertook to redeem us from our own wickedness and the just consequence of all our rebellions, so we can be sure what is the Truth and be blessed by believing it, in spite of assaults like the Jehovah's Witnesses' upon it.

I agreed with you completely on this resolve,it's either you are wrong or i am wrong!

So keep preaching and teaching what you know is right and i will also do the same, but it's clear now that our Jesus as in the Jesus we preach and teach is different!

Thanks Sir! smiley

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 8:56pm On Dec 23, 2019
Maximus69:


I agreed with you completely on this resolve,it's either you are wrong or i am wrong!

So keep preaching and teaching what you know is right and i will also do the same, but it's clear now that our Jesus as in the Jesus we preach and teach is different!

Thanks Sir! smiley

Indeed. We are agreed then that we are not of the same Christ.

As for which of us is wrong, I think that the Scriptures are clear that you are.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 9:14pm On Dec 23, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

Indeed. We are agreed then that we are not of the same Christ.

As for which of us is wrong, I think that the Scriptures are clear that you are.

Well even if a madman is given a hoe, he will surely till the soil towards himself!

So you're entitled to your own opinion Sir! wink

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 12:47pm On Dec 25, 2019
PrincewithGod:

Or satan in his quest to always copy and fake God's attributes and works has corrupted the Triune nature of the Almighty God in the heart of man by paganism. Did you say the doctrine is not from the Bible? Read 1John 5 : 7. For your information the Doctrine of Trinity has been taught from the days of the ancient Jews. Read the attached texts please.

Ignorance is indeed bliss.
Pls , go & research the history of that KJV FRAUD of 1 John5:7.
Deu6:4 says "Our God Yahweh is One" NOT triune.
Psalms 83:18 says Yahweh is the Most High not the Most Triune.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 2:53pm On Dec 25, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

https://www.nairaland.com/5352739/please-need-trinitarians-explain-hebrews#81157181
Rev 3:12,21your deity says in heaven he is the son of God, sitting on his Father's throne.
In heaven, Jesus says he sits on the throne of his Father.
Igbo man go say "Odo gi n'a anya"?

Perfect rebuttal of the balderdash in your posts.

Ihedinobi3 post=
as I already said, it is
clear that Hebrews sees the Father and the
Son as two separate Persons. It is also
rather obvious that Hebrews reports that the
Father regards the Son as God."

Psalm 45:6,7 repeated in Hebrew 1:8,9. Psalm 45:6,7 Which serving King of Isreal did Yahweh call Elohim?
Psalms 45:6,7 & Heb 1:8,9 who is "your God" ?
Psalm 45:7,Hebrew 1:9, the anointed king have his ("your) God".
Your fictitious claim of Coequality falls yakata.

Ihedinobi3 post=
"God is One, not two, from
elsewhere in the Bible. Therefore, we must
conclude that Hebrews teaches that Father
and Son, though separate Persons, are one
God and, therefore, One in essence, since
God is One.
For one thing, God is not
"a" being. God is Being or Existence itself.
That is what His Name YHVH or YHWH
means. He is the "IS" . Thus, He cannot be a
multiple. He is the Infinite One.= And in the
One Infinite, there are Three Persons,
according to the Bible. That there are
multiple Persons Who are One in essence. is
obviously not in the experience of creatures,
but that is not a logical problem.
It isperfectly logical to expect God Who is
Existence itself to be fundamentally different
from the things which He made to exist.
As for a Scriptural distinction between
"person" and "being," rest assured that the
Bible does teach both that there is one God
and that there are multiple Persons Who are
each God."

You have input your personal twists into the holy Scriptures,by hook or crook.
Deu 6:4 & 2 Cor 3:17, where did you see triune God or anything like that, mentioned there?


He is the "IS" . Thus, He cannot be a
multiple. He is the Infinite One. And in the
One Infinite, there are multiple Persons Who are each God."
OR :
*Somebody is so confused that he has lost grasp of the fact that he is LYING & contradicting himself .
Let me help him a little......

"He is the Infinite One. He cannot be a
multiple = there are multiple Persons Who are each God." = MUMU FRAUD.

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