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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 6:12am On Aug 16, 2019
jubianose:


Shadeyinka, you are a wise person.
smiley
None can know other that what he is shown.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 9:11am On Aug 16, 2019
Maximus69:


That's where you failed woefully Sir!

Because everything i wrote about the model prayer can't be found in one single publication of our organization, but through the intensive studying of God's word with the aid of the publications all these just happened to be there as if "written in the heart" of over 8.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the globe! Jeremiah 31:33
There is nowhere anyone can copy what i just typed Sir, but if you ask any member of the organization in any part of the earth they'll tell you "Yes, that's exactly what we're to bear in mind regarding Jesus' model prayer"
When you are done analyzing the Lord's prayer from start to finish, I'd be here to analyze it too and bring out its spiritual content. Until then, keep running around JW' websites copying and pasting their mind controlled publications.

Use your head, when you die Watchtower won't stand before Jesus to answer for you.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Peacefullove: 2:36pm On Aug 16, 2019
You left the first question: we are all children of God because he created us , yes ?


shadeyinka:

And the phrase:
I sat at the table by myself. I will not be at the party. I will be at home by myself tonight
The by indicate WITH another!?



By is different from with , Yes ?

With indicate been accompanied by ANOTHER , Yes ?


Your religious doctrine says that the Body is the main person and that when the soul/life giving force leaves a person he becomes unconscious and non existent. (Wrong doctrine)

Your Body is YOU in the Physical Realm (even your dog knows this)


Your Soul is YOU to yourself ( that is the person you refer to as "I" or "Me"

Your Spirit is YOU in the Spiritual Realm (that is what makes you a spirit being: )


The bold was my point, That Spirit is the main Spirit being , the main person right ? Other parts are ordinary covering/identity

So never use this to prove trinity, the main spirit being is the Spirit . not three in one, The main spirit being does not die , only the useless body dies, What was hanged on the pole of Jesus was ordinary covering/ housing shell, the main spirit being called Jesus has disapeared.




If the body is just a housing, do you agree then that a person is alive after Physical Death?

The bold emphasize my point, the spirit being is the PERSON . doctrinally, this rule out the idea of the person called Jesus dying for mankind. Spirit being ( the Person ) can't die,

Rule out the notion of Trinity as only the spirit is the person himself.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 5:26pm On Aug 16, 2019
Peacefullove:

You left the first question: we are all children of God because he created us , yes ?




By is different from with , Yes ?

With indicate been accompanied by ANOTHER , Yes ?



The bold was my point, That Spirit is the main Spirit being , the main person right ? Other parts are ordinary covering/identity

So never use this to prove trinity, the main spirit being is the Spirit . not three in one, The main spirit being does not die , only the useless body dies, What was hanged on the pole of Jesus was ordinary covering/ housing shell, the main spirit being called Jesus has disapeared.





The bold emphasize my point, the spirit being is the PERSON . doctrinally, this rule out the idea of the person called Jesus dying for mankind. Spirit being ( the Person ) can't die,

Rule out the notion of Trinity as only the spirit is the person himself.

You are not a Jehovah's Witness: Is that correct?
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Shepherd00: 10:19pm On Aug 17, 2019
Peacefullove:


In other words, You can't dispute that fact pointed out ?

If God manifest in flesh and Mary gives birth to THAT FLESH, Mary became the Mother of God.

Come up with something better , this run away tactic u chose is too cheap
No, it's because it will be waste of my time. enjoy
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 9:23am On Aug 18, 2019
Shepherd00:

No, it's because it will be waste of my time. enjoy

Answer the simple question you're being asked.
Else, you're running away simply because "Peaceful artquake" go knack your mumu poo to pieces....... lols.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 9:38am On Aug 18, 2019
Anas09:

When you are done analyzing the Lord's prayer from start to finish, I'd be here to analyze it too and bring out its spiritual content.


Food done come....
You're welcome to anas09lize the "spiritual content" of Lord's prayer....

My questions for you......
Is your Jesus "our Father who art in heaven"?

Matt 6:9, who is praying to whom?

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 10:12am On Aug 18, 2019
jubianose:
True Christianity vol 2.
Listen to Emmanuel Swedenborg's wisdom

Is Swedenborg the wisdom of God?

Pls come and explain John5:37 , John 6:46.
1John4:12. "No man has ever seen God at any time ".

Did Jesus Christ agree with your screenshot?

Does the holy Scriptures, even Yahweh himself (Judges6:11-22. Exodus 33:20) agree with your screenshot?

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 12:50pm On Aug 18, 2019
shadeyinka:


Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God , and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season , until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


Dead/Slain yet alive!
Dead/Slain yet could speak!
Dead/Slain yet could be dressed in white robes!
Dead/Slain yet could be TOLD to exercise patience!
SMH

If breath of life was had been subtracted from the body , according to your argument they are dead and unconscious.

Look at the bolded : I bet you can't see that the breath of life seem to carry the identity of the slain person. That the breath of life seems not to be unconscious. That the breath of life is ALIVE!

Don't lie to yourself, look at the Scripture again.


Lol.....
According to shadeyinka theory "Breathe of life is alive".

"Alive" where ?
Genesis 2:7, Did God say he put another being into Adam?


You're missing the point of Rev6:9-11.

** When Christ poured out his soul ,where did his soul go ?
'Why are you also implying that Jesus lied in Matt10:28?

Lev 17:14 NASB
"For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is
identified with its life. Therefore I said to the
sons of Israel, 'You are not to eat the blood
of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its
blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off."
Life and blood are equivalent terms in the Bible,
The soul is life , those slain souls were sacrificed ,or lost their life/soul.
The soul crying for vengeance stands for their life blood crying out for vengeance.
Genesis 4:10 ,blood cries out vengeance.




***why you dey dodge those 6 questions I have asked you about your Trinity claims?

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 6:20pm On Aug 18, 2019
Janosky:

Food done come....
You're welcome to anas09lize the "spiritual content" of Lord's prayer....

My questions for you......
Is your Jesus "our Father who art in heaven"?

Matt 6:9, who is praying to whom?




What made you think I'd respond to you when my queries haven't been responded to?
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by johnw47: 1:31am On Oct 11, 2019
Maximus69:

cheesy



just look at the twisting - lying of the false jw's, to deny that Father and the Word is God, john 1:1
and making God a liar
false jw's cannot say the truth for any reason
they twist and lie habitually because lying is inbuilt in them from their father the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the truth that the pic should say:

1. Father God asked God the Word to go to earth to save man
2. God the Word agreed with His Father God
3. and agreed with His Father God to offer Himself
4. Lord Jesus prayed to His Father God and glorified His Father God repeatedly
5. Lord Jesus strengthened Himself and talked to His Father God
6. Lord Jesus was sacrificed proving His loyalty to His Father God
7. Lord Jesus was resurrected and exalted His Father God above Himself
8. then He sat on His Father God's right hand
9. the Word the Lord Jesus Christ turns His kingdom over to His Father God


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Joh_5:23  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.




the pic shows the extreme evil of the false jw's denying God
they are the devil's kiddies:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:51am On Dec 04, 2019
The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit


PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.
Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.


"THE WORD WAS GOD”
John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( King James Version ) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. ( John 1:14 ) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.
Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” ( A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” ( The New Testament in an Improved Version ) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” ( The Translator’s New Testament ) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. * Instead, because of his high position among God's creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”


GET MORE FACTS
Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1 , you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.
For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18 : “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” ( John 1:14 , KJ ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3 , Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” ( John 20:31 ) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.


CONFIRM THE FACTS
Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ( Matthew 24:36 ) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.— Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 12:40pm On Dec 04, 2019
BIBLESPEAKS:
The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit


PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.
Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.


"THE WORD WAS GOD”
John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( King James Version ) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. ( John 1:14 ) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.
Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” ( A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” ( The New Testament in an Improved Version ) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” ( The Translator’s New Testament ) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. * Instead, because of his high position among God's creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”


GET MORE FACTS
Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1 , you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.
For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18 : “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” ( John 1:14 , KJ ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3 , Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” ( John 20:31 ) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.


CONFIRM THE FACTS
Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ( Matthew 24:36 ) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.— Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15
I have been watching to see what would happen after our discussion. Either you would really rethink your position (as you claimed to be capable of doing at the beginning) or else you'd simply ignore your inability to answer my arguments and proceed in some way to continue trying to sell your lie.

As I said, "your profile suggests that you are a Jehovah's Witness, so you are almost certainly just looking for an argument to prove that your position that Jesus Christ is not God is true."

You'll fight over the Greek and find obscure translations that suit your purposes and basically ignore everything the Bible actually says about the matter, just to try to persuade yourself that Jesus Christ is not God.

I assure you that even your New World Translation fails to sell this lie. It changed John 1:1, but it would have to change the whole Bible itself in order to manage to obscure the Truth of the Lord's Deity. In my responses to you, you'll find that I didn't bother to offer you John 1:1. That was because I know how you people become when that verse is presented. It was also because the Bible is filled with proof of the Lord Jesus's Deity, so mutilating one verse will not prove that He is not God. You would need to do away with all of the Bible to be able to do so.

That is what I guess made you unable to actually finish this conversation you started. And now you are back to fight over John 1:1. I am not so naïve as to expect you to be ashamed of such behavior. Nonetheless, you have provided proof about what your real purpose for this thread was.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Solohmony: 2:13pm On Dec 04, 2019
uboma:
The Trinity is not a biblical teaching.

Read Isaiah 9 :6
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 2:17pm On Dec 04, 2019
Anas09:




Let me explain something to you. people like the JW who do not subscribe to the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit always think physically (as in with their eyes) when they read the Word or reflect on it. They cannot see beyond what they see literary, hence portray God in their physical senses.
But, people who read and reflect on the Word of God Spiritually and think about God only on the basis of His essence think Spiritually. These class think of God base on His Essential attributes like omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternity, love, wisdom, mercy, grace, and so on.


It'll help you if you can explain why Jesus whom you consider to be another Essence from YHWH, took all the divine Attributes of YHWH, like Father, Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, infinite, eternal, Light, Life, Love, Wisdom, Mercy, Conqueror, Alpha, Omega, Beginning and the End, Lord, Savior, Redeemer, Just Judge, Judgement. King of kings, Lord of lords etc.

When you are able to unravel these, you'd then know who Jesus truly is, but until then, you'd remain physical, seeing with your eyes not with your mind.

"It'll help you if you can explain why Jesus whom you consider to be another Essence from YHWH, took all the divine Attributes of YHWH, like Father, Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, "

Anas09 " reflect on the Word of God Spiritually and thinks Spiritually,
* Matt 24:36, Did Jesus Christ tell you he's Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, "?

* John12:49,50, John 20:17, Rev 3:5,12 in heaven did Jesus Christ attribute Almightiness to himself?
Quantirinu to deceive yourself.
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by uboma(m): 2:22pm On Dec 04, 2019
Solohmony:


Read Isaiah 9 :6


The Bible here refers to Jesus Christ as the Mighty God....


Note that the Bible does not describe him as the Almighty God.


Do you now see the difference?

Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 2:22pm On Dec 04, 2019
Solohmony:

Read Isaiah 9 :6
Psalm 82:1,6, what's the Hebrew meaning of EL'? Stop deceiving yourself
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Solohmony: 2:52pm On Dec 04, 2019
uboma:



The Bible here refers to Jesus Christ as the Mighty God....


Note that the Bible does not describe him as the Almighty God.


Do you now see the difference?

Can't you see Everlasting Father.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Solohmony: 2:58pm On Dec 04, 2019
Janosky:

Psalm 82:1,6, what's the Hebrew meaning of EL'?
Stop deceiving yourself

I can stop laughing at your response.
God called men gods did you know why
God gave man dominion and authority over the earth that means at creation men are the gods of earth but after the fall, man transferred it to Satan. Now Satan is the god of the earth. 2Cor 4:4
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by uboma(m): 3:20pm On Dec 04, 2019
Solohmony:


Can't you see Everlasting Father.


Everlasting father is not the same as the Almighty God.

I am sure you attended Primary school, so the difference between Mighty and Almighty should be crystal clear.

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 also makes a clear distinction between Jesus Christ and the Almighty God

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 3:25pm On Dec 04, 2019
Solohmony:


I can stop laughing at your response.
God called men gods did you know why
God gave man dominion and authority over the earth that means at creation men are the gods of earth but after the fall, man transferred it to Satan. Now Satan is the god of the earth. 2Cor 4:4
Solohmony:


Can't you see Everlasting Father.
.
.
Revelation 3:5
Like them, the one who is victorious will be
dressed in white. And I will never blot out
his name from the book of life, but I will
confess his name before My Father and His
angels.

Rev 3:12
12 The one who is victorious I will make a
pillar in the temple of My God, and he will
never again leave it. Upon him I will write
the name of My God, and the name of the
city of My God (the new Jerusalem that
comes down out of heaven from My God),
and My new name. "


** Your "Everlasting Father" is the son of his Father and his God in heaven.

Your "Everlasting Father" is UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HIS GOD & FATHER..
Receive sense.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 4:15pm On Dec 04, 2019
Ihedinobi3:

I have been watching to see what would happen after our discussion. Either you would really rethink your position (as you claimed to be capable of doing at the beginning) or else you'd simply ignore your inability to answer my arguments and proceed in some way to continue trying to sell your lie.

As I said, "your profile suggests that you are a Jehovah's Witness, so you are almost certainly just looking for an argument to prove that your position that Jesus Christ is not God is true."

You'll fight over the Greek and find obscure translations that suit your purposes and basically ignore everything the Bible actually says about the matter, just to try to persuade yourself that Jesus Christ is not God.

I assure you that even your New World Translation fails to sell this lie. It changed John 1:1, but it would have to change the whole Bible itself in order to manage to obscure the Truth of the Lord's Deity. In my responses to you, you'll find that I didn't bother to offer you John 1:1. That was because I know how you people become when that verse is presented. It was also because the Bible is filled with proof of the Lord Jesus's Deity, so mutilating one verse will not prove that He is not God. You would need to do away with all of the Bible to be able to do so.

That is what I guess made you unable to actually finish this conversation you started. And now you are back to fight over John 1:1. I am not so naïve as to expect you to be ashamed of such behavior. Nonetheless, you have provided proof about what your real purpose for this thread was.
** Yet , you can't disprove John 1:1 koine Greek which refutes your false claims.
Revelation 3:5
Like them, the one who is victorious will be
dressed in white. And I will never blot out
his name from the book of life, but I will
confess his name before My Father and His
angels.
Rev 3:12
12 The one who is victorious I will make a
pillar in the temple of My God, and he will
never again leave it. Upon him I will write
the name of My God, and the name of the
city of My God (the new Jerusalem that
comes down out of heaven from My God),
and My new name. "
** Your "Everlasting Father" is the son of his
Father and his God in heaven.
** Your "Deity" in heaven says he is UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HIS GOD & FATHER ..
Do you agree with your "Deity "?

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 5:33pm On Dec 04, 2019
Ihedinobi3:


** (1)

Second, the Doctrine of the Trinity does not hold that the Father and the Son are two separate beings, rather it holds that they are two separate Persons

( *2)
Who are One in essence. As One God then, neither is greater or less than the other.

(*3).
the Doctrine of the Trinity teaches They are not the same Person. The Father is a separate Person from the Son, as I already said, and the Son is His Representative to us.

(*4)
This does not in any way mean that the Son is not God too. As you said, it only means that He is not the Father.

That is why I brought up the rest of the chapter. In verses 8-12, I can't begin to see how it is not clear that although the Son is not the Father, He is quite completely God just as the Father is too.

Edited.
( *1)
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Meaning of being in English
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noun [ C or U ]
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"a person or thing that exists"
A Being =One Person.
God is a Spirit. John4:24. NOT Spirits.

'Ihedinobi3' is LYING. CONFIRMED

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John 14:28 & John20:17, Rev 3:5,12 Jesus PROVED Ihedinobi is LYING.

***(3).
Mr Ihedinobi , your son shares your essence.
Your son is your representative. Matt10:40
Are you & your son, one being?
Your LIES have found you out.

(4). John17:3,
Who is Jesus Christ calling "the one true God"?
Also in heaven (Rev3:5,12) who is Jesus Christ calling "my God", "my Father"?
In heaven ,(Psalms 110:1. Rom8:34. ,ASV) who is obeying the command 'sit at my right hand"?

TRINITY is a FRAUD. REJECT IT.
RECEIVE SENSE

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 6:03pm On Dec 04, 2019
shadeyinka:

In other words, figurative


As far as you are concerned, even after reading the Scripture presented you think the WORD means Speech?
For the Word is God Himself. SmH

"the word was with (Greek=facing towards) "ton theon (the God)"
The Word is a being separate being from the God.
This Fact is Explicit in John1:1-2.
Receive sense.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 6:13pm On Dec 04, 2019
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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 6:16pm On Dec 04, 2019
shadeyinka:

And the phrase:
I sat at the table by myself. I will not be at the party. I will be at home by myself tonight
The by indicate WITH another!?

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Spurious analogy.
John1:3, Greek dia= THROUGH or by means of...
Your sophistry is faulty.
John1:1-2 , the word is with (facing towards) the God, faults your spurious claims.
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 7:53pm On Dec 04, 2019
Janosky:


Spurious analogy.
John1:3, Greek dia= THROUGH or by means of...
Your sophistry is faulty.
John1:1-2 , the word is with (facing towards) the God, faults your spurious claims.

Janosky:


"the word was with (Greek=facing towards) "ton theon (the God)"
The Word is a being separate being from the God.
This Fact is Explicit in John1:1-2.
Receive sense.
You are willing to distort even the rendering of your organisations translation so that you can replace "WITH" with "FACING TOWARDS"!??

Are you agreeing that your organisation made an error of translation because as far as I can see the difference is
1. The Word was God
And
2. The word was a god

NWT:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
2 This one was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence
4 by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.


Here is the interlinear for you to see again!

Find another argument!

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by MuttleyLaff: 8:18pm On Dec 04, 2019
Janosky:
"the word was with (Greek=facing towards) "ton theon (the God)"
The Word is a being separate being from the God.
This Fact is Explicit in John1:1-2.
Receive sense.
Janosky,
1/ the word, your word(s) that comes forth out of your mouth are they lesser than you?
2/ Do they represent or not represent you. Is the word that comes out of your mouth any less potent compared with you not verbally saying anything, hmm?
3/ Do you utter the word for something to get done a few distance away, and get result, without you physically being present at the distant place?
4/ Your word, is it separate from the moniker Janosky, you?
5/ Janosky, what do you verbally express yourself with?
6/ Janosky, you talk and/or impart information in the form of what?
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Ihedinobi3: 8:18pm On Dec 04, 2019
shadeyinka:



You are willing to distort even the rendering of your organisations translation so that you can replace "WITH" with "FACING TOWARDS"!??

Are you agreeing that your organisation made an error of translation because as far as I can see the difference is
1. The Word was God
And
2. The word was a god

NWT:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
2 This one was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence
4 by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.


Here is the interlinear for you to see again!

Find another argument!
Hello shadeyinka.

It's been a little bit.

Please excuse my coming in here. As you know, I don't share the Watchtower point of view, but it is good to be in the Truth even when those who oppose it agree with it in some way.

The Greek in John 1:1 actually reads more like this: "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and enjoyed reciprocity with Him." That is, John did not exactly say that the Word was God. The reason for this was that John was trying to show that the Lord Jesus was God too, but that He was not the Father. It could be misunderstood if he said, "the Word was God" when he had just used "God" to identify the Father. As you probably know, the One most frequently identified as God in the Bible is the Father. This is because His Self-selected Role in the Plan of the Trinity for Creation was to be the representation of God to Creation. That is, He is the One in the Trinity with Whom we most clearly have to deal as God.

This is why the Scriptures say, for example, that no one has ever seen God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:12) or can see God and live (Exodus 33:20), although it also tells us that the seventy elders of Israel saw God and ate and drank (Exodus 24:9-11). This is not a contradiction. The Father is the One Whom the Scriptures were referring to in the first instance, but the Lord Jesus in one of His many pre-incarnate appearances was the One being referred to in the second.

So, while it is not at all wrong to translate John 1:1 to read "and the Word was God," since that is actually what John meant, it is also not wrong to translate it in any way that says that the Word was the same in nature as the Father.

Therefore, "facing toward," while quite ridiculous as a translation, does hold in it a kernel of truth in that it points to the literal translation of John 1:1, namely, that the Word enjoyed reciprocity with the Father from the beginning, because He was God too.

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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by MuttleyLaff: 8:33pm On Dec 04, 2019
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by MuttleyLaff: 10:46pm On Dec 04, 2019
shadeyinka wetin you type, wey dey come hide up there, you even for don price and buy "you're banned" market sef. Sorry ooo.

PS: FOLYKAZE, I havent forgotten about you, my response is on the back burner half done. Will it across asap. Watch this space

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