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What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 10:31am On Aug 11
I thought it good to hear the opinion of those who hitherto opposed prosperity of churches as entities and tithing.

Zechariah 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus said the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; And the LORD shall yet comfort Zi'on, and shall yet chose Jerusalem.



As for tithe, Jesus Himself says in Mathew 23:23;


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Explanation.
We have three values or instructions or commandments. The scribes ignored them. They are judgement, mercy and faith but paid tithes and Jesus told them
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 10:31am On Aug 11
booked....
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by MrPresident1: 10:33am On Aug 11
CodeTemplar:
I thought it good to hear the opinion of those who hitherto opposed prosperity of churches as entities.

Zechariah 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus said the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; And the LORD shall yet comfort Zi'on, and shall yet chose Jerusalem.

This is an after rapture verse, when the dead are raised

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by lomprico(m): 10:52am On Aug 11
CodeTemplar:
I thought it good to hear the opinion of those who hitherto opposed prosperity of churches as entities.

Zechariah 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus said the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; And the LORD shall yet comfort Zi'on, and shall yet chose Jerusalem.

where was tithes mentioned? angry

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by MasterRahl(m): 10:54am On Aug 11
lomprico:


where was tithes mentioned? angry
Same question here bro angry
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by FreshBoss007: 10:54am On Aug 11
lomprico:

where was tithes mentioned? angry
my brother... that Na why i opened the thread o

nna biko where tithe
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by Nbote(m): 10:56am On Aug 11
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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 11:02am On Aug 11
lomprico:


where was tithes mentioned? angry
Mathew 23:23.

It says;

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Explanation.
We have three values or instructions or commandments here. The scribes ignored them namely: judgement, mercy and faith but paid tithes and Jesus told them this in response

these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by 11thGoldTREE: 11:03am On Aug 11
This Bible quote has no correlation with Zechariah 1:17
CodeTemplar:
Mathew 23:23.

It says;

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Stop confusing yourself
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 11:06am On Aug 11
FreshBoss007:


my brother... that Na why i opened the thread o


nna biko where tithe
Sorry for the delay


Mathew 23:23.

It says;

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Explanation.
We have three values or instructions or commandments here. The scribes ignored them namely: judgement, mercy and faith but paid tithes and Jesus told them
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 11:12am On Aug 11
11thGoldTREE:
This Bible quote has no correlation with Zechariah 1:17 Stop confusing yourself
Who said Mathew 23:23 has? Even though Mathew 23:23 has a connection to Zach 1:17, I never said so.

Topic was going to be too long so had to go for that topic. Address the harsh reality if you oppose prosperity or tithe.

[updated]
Topic title changed.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by lomprico(m): 11:41am On Aug 11
CodeTemplar:
Mathew 23:23.

It says;

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Explanation.
We have three values or instructions or commandments here. The scribes ignored them namely: judgement, mercy and faith but paid tithes and Jesus told them this in response

these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
.

I see you have added another verse to what u posted earlier.

now to the new verse. what Jesus rebooked then is what you are still doing today. you people ignore the good virtues of the law and focus only on collecting money from people tru tithe, seed sowing, etc.
you people think that you can bribe God with money. that is what Jesus was condemning. woe unto you OP.

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 12:04pm On Aug 11
lomprico:


I see you have added another verse to what u posted earlier.

now to the new verse. what Jesus rebooked then is what you are still doing today. you people ignore the good virtues of the law and focus only on collecting money from people tru tithe, seed sowing, etc.
you people think that you can bribe God with money. that is what Jesus was condemning. woe unto you OP.
You people?
You don't know me in real life so stop accusing me blindly and then building your arguments on imaginations.
Yes there are coveteous ministers out there but don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Jesus was also endorsing tithes when after pointing out the Scribes and Pharisee's error to them said:

"these ougth ye to have done and not to leave the other undone."
Deal with messages and stop attacking messengers.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 12:12pm On Aug 11
MasterRahl:
Same question here bro angry
updated

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by jesusjnr(m): 12:38pm On Aug 11
lomprico:


I see you have added another verse to what u posted earlier.

now to the new verse. what Jesus rebooked then is what you are still doing today. you people ignore the good virtues of the law and focus only on collecting money from people tru tithe, seed sowing, etc.
you people think that you can bribe God with money. that is what Jesus was condemning. woe unto you OP.
Lol! No be small woe to the mammon worshipper! angry
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by lomprico(m): 12:43pm On Aug 11
CodeTemplar:
You people?
You don't know me in real life so stop accusing me blindly and then building your arguments on imaginations.
Yes there are coveteous ministers out there but don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Jesus was also endorsing tithes when after pointing out the Scribes and Pharisee's error to them said:

"these ougth ye to have done and not to leave the other undone."
Deal with messages and stop attacking messengers.

read 'your' own topic again, you will know who the 'you people' are.

yes Jesus did not condemn tithe neither did he say its do or hell fire is yours.
tithe is not the primary reason you call yourself a Christian.

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by Bodydialect57: 3:38pm On Aug 11
Hello bro
jesusjnr:
Lol! No be small woe to the mammon worshipper! angry
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by jesusjnr(m): 4:21pm On Aug 11
Bodydialect57:
Hello bro
Hey sis!

How you dey?
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by Bodydialect57: 4:25pm On Aug 11
I dey fine o.
How about you?

Happy Sunday.
jesusjnr:
Hey sis!

How you dey?
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by jesusjnr(m): 4:30pm On Aug 11
Bodydialect57:
I dey fine o.
How about you?

Happy Sunday.
Good to know. I'm good myself.

I wish you same.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 6:32pm On Aug 11
lomprico:


read 'your' own topic again, you will know who the 'you people' are.

yes Jesus did not condemn tithe neither did he say its do or hell fire is yours.
tithe is not the primary reason you call yourself a Christian.
The problem I have observed with you is this your habit of replying to nonexistent things.
Where did I ever say tithe is my primary goal as a christian?

Just like the other fóol chatting up his alternate account on the thread in a bid to derail, you are in the habit of delusion. Replying and treating imaginative things as though they are real.
Did I also tell you tithe is do or die or can you trace such statement to me anywhere? No but you work with such assumption.

If you have nothing against the scriptures why jump into the thread to attack me blindly if not that you same as the other fóol who goes around saying apostle Paul's teachings have errors?
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by UceeGod(m): 7:06pm On Aug 11
No where in the Bible did Christ ask His desciples to preach about material prosperity. No where did Christ tell His desciples to organise church and mandate people to pay tithes.
The only gospel Christ commisioned His desciples to preach is about His Kingdom - Matthew 4:23, 9:35, Mark 16:15, Luke 9:6
The gospel of the Kingdom of God is about freedom from the dominion of Sin, peace in this troublesome world and Life in eternity. The gospel is often accompanied by signs of healing anf deliverance from demonic possession. The gospel of Christ's Kingdom never promises material wealth but God blesses anyone He deems fit according to His purpose, even unbelievers.
Success and prosperity in God's Kingdom is not ideally the same with that of the world. Unfortunately, prosperity and success is now seen in "churches" today just the way the world sees them. Prosperity in Christ's descipleship are the spiritual blessings that come with a heart and soul devoted entirely to Christ - giving the best of what you are and what you have to God's purpose regardless of the obstacles, which also includes your money (not necessarily 10%).

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by lomprico(m): 8:26pm On Aug 11
CodeTemplar:
The problem I have observed with you is this your habit of replying to nonexistent things.
Where did I ever say tithe is my primary goal as a christian?

Just like the other fóol chatting up his alternate account on the thread in a bid to derail, you are in the habit of delusion. Replying and treating imaginative things as though they are real.
Did I also tell you tithe is do or die or can you trace such statement to me anywhere? No but you work with such assumption.

If you have nothing against the scriptures why jump into the thread to attack me blindly if not that you same as the other fóol who goes around saying apostle Paul's teachings have errors?

pls what is the topic of this thread again?
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 8:32pm On Aug 11
lomprico:

pls what is the topic of this thread again?
Put on ur glasses and read.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 1:02pm On Aug 12
UceeGod:
No where in the Bible did Christ ask His desciples to preach about material prosperity. No where did Christ tell His desciples to organise church and mandate people to pay tithes.
The only gospel Christ commisioned His desciples to preach is about His Kingdom - Matthew 4:23, 9:35, Mark 16:15, Luke 9:6
The gospel of the Kingdom of God is about freedom from the dominion of Sin, peace in this troublesome world and Life in eternity. The gospel is often accompanied by signs of healing anf deliverance from demonic possession. The gospel of Christ's Kingdom never promises material wealth but God blesses anyone He deems fit according to His purpose, even unbelievers.
Success and prosperity in God's Kingdom is not ideally the same with that of the world. Unfortunately, prosperity and success is now seen in "churches" today just the way the world sees them. Prosperity in Christ's descipleship are the spiritual blessings that come with a heart and soul devoted entirely to Christ - giving the best of what you are and what you have to God's purpose regardless of the obstacles, which also includes your money (not necessarily 10%).
Stop replying to delusions man.

Jesus endorsed tithe in that Mathew 23:23
Zach 1:17 is from the LORD also. and It talks about the church being prosperous. Challenge the point with fact and not ignorance. Plus I never claimed Jesus asked his disciples to preach tithes or prosperity.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by UceeGod(m): 6:51pm On Aug 12
CodeTemplar:

Stop replying to delusions man.

Jesus endorsed tithe in that Mathew 23:23
Zach 1:17 is from the LORD also. and It talks about the church being prosperous. Challenge the point with fact and not ignorance. Plus I never claimed Jesus asked his disciples to preach tithes or prosperity.
Matthew 23:23 statement was made under the Old Covenant. Tithing was of course mandatory then; but in the New Testament, the Principle at the root of tithing is what we follow through the leading of the Holy Spirit - the principle of supporting God’s purpose with our financial resources which must be proportional, cheerfully made and planned as the Spirit leads you.
You quoted Zechariah 1:17 out of context. The Lord was talking about Old Testament Jerusalem which was in ruins NOT about His New Testament church spreading through prosperity. The true Church of Christ comprising His genuine followers often spreads through persecutions and righteousness NOT material prosperity.
Moreover, God is not against His people being prosperous as long as prosperity agenda and gospel doesn't take the place of His Kingdom agenda - freedom from Sin and satanic dominion + eternal life.

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 7:25pm On Aug 12
UceeGod:

Matthew 23:23 statement was made under the Old Covenant. Tithing was of course mandatory then; but in the New Testament, the Principle at the root of tithing is what we follow through the leading of the Holy Spirit - the principle of supporting God’s purpose with our financial resources which must be proportional, cheerfully made and planned as the Spirit leads you.
You quoted Zechariah 1:17 out of context. The Lord was talking about Old Testament Jerusalem which was in ruins NOT about His New Testament church spreading through prosperity. The true Church of Christ comprising His genuine followers often spreads through persecutions and righteousness NOT material prosperity.
Moreover, God is not against His people being prosperous as long as prosperity agenda and gospel doesn't take the place of His Kingdom agenda - freedom from Sin and satanic dominion + eternal life.
According to your first paragraph, maybe the whole of Jesus teachings was under old covenant also and therefore null.

In Acts the church spread through both persecution and prosperity. As many that had landed properties sold them for the sake of the gospel. Stop the lies.

Even Jesus said He came to fulfil the laws and not abolish them.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by paxonel(m): 8:55pm On Aug 12
CodeTemplar:
I thought it good to hear the opinion of those who hitherto opposed prosperity of churches as entities and tithing.

Zechariah 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus said the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; And the LORD shall yet comfort Zi'on, and shall yet chose Jerusalem.



As for tithe, Jesus Himself says in Mathew 23:23;


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Explanation.
We have three values or instructions or commandments. The scribes ignored them. They are judgement, mercy and faith but paid tithes and Jesus told them
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Tithing was for the Jews to pay, not Christians.
And Christ never discouraged them, infact he encouraged them to pay because it was already their tradition.

But that encouragement should not be mistaken that tithing is also for Christians

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 9:31pm On Aug 12
paxonel:
Tithing was for the Jews to pay, not Christians.
And Christ never discouraged them, infact he encouraged them to pay because it was already their tradition.

But that encouragement should not be mistaken that tithing is also for Christians
If I follow that ur interpretation then no part of the bible is for non-Jews.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by paxonel(m): 1:44am On Aug 13
CodeTemplar:
If I follow that ur interpretation then no part of the bible(tithing) is for non-Jews.
because all parts of the bible is for tithing or what? grin
Please don't bring bible into it we were talking about tithing.

factual truth
Have you ever heard of the law of excluded middle?
Google it and see how it applies here.

Tithing has it own identity
The bible has it own identity totally excluded and different from the tithing.

Don't make that mistake to assume that tithing is the whole bible itself, it does not follow.
Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by Edu3Again: 2:49am On Aug 13
The law of tithing died in the with Jesus on the Cross, thats why Jesus never collected tithes.

Before Jesus died they offered sacrifices,after His death they stopped.
Remember Jesus asked a man to offer sacrifices according to moses.

Matthew 8:4
And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way,
shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

When Jesus died & rose , people no more offered sacrifices.

Likewise Jesus said to the Pharisees they needn't neglect tithing as He Jesus had not yet died.

Once Him Jesus died,the law of tithes died with Him.

Jesus never collected tithes,the Apostles never collected tithes.

So who are these fake pastors to collect tithes?

Lets assume we want to follow the Law of tithing,they why dont they share the tithes with
the widows & poor?

Why do only the big pastor take the tithes?

Deuteronomy 26:12
When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year,
which is[b] the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger,
the fatherless, and the widow,[/b] that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;

If the Pastorenurs are serious about the law of tithing then let them share the tithes
with the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow!

Now who is now the Levite?

So you can see that the Pastors are simply enriching themselves

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Re: What Do Opposers of Tithe And Prosperity Make Of Zech 1:17 and Math 23:23 ? by CodeTemplar: 5:48am On Aug 13
paxonel:
because all parts of the bible is for tithing or what? grin
Please don't bring bible into it we were talking about tithing.

factual truth
Have you ever heard of the law of excluded middle?
Google it and see how it applies here.

Tithing has it own identity
The bible has it own identity totally excluded and different from the tithing.

Don't make that mistake to assume that tithing is the whole bible itself, it does not follow.
You inserted what I haven't said into my comment and still further changed its interpretation from its simple meaning before going on to reply to it. If you are serious, back up your own arguments with relevant scriptures and stop replying to figments of your own imagination.

NB: If you want to debate about the identity of the bible itself you can open another thread for it.

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