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| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:12pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
Maximus69: Lol........I can stop laughing at you You got yourself boxed into a corner am not the one that is fustrated but you, I only asked a simple question. Let me expose your naivety. why it is difficult for you to answer me is because fornication is a sin, and sin can only be know or defined by the law of God(10 commandments) so if you claim Jesus did away with the law or we are no Longer expected to observe the law then why is stealing , killing, or fornication still a sin? Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. “sin is not imputedwhere there is no law(Rom 5:13) You need to humble yourself and acknowledge that you know nothing in Bible doctrine rather than box yourself into a corner you cannot come out from |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:20pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
Maximus69: You are really confused But that same Jesus you said we should fellow what he said and how he redefined the law told someone to observe the law inorder to inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Secondly was it not that same law that Jesus told his disciples that anyone that removes anything from the law will punished. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:22pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel:No be small thing. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:35pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
Maximus69: Clown. Even in the new convanant that God will make with Israel, the law still exist but it was transferred from tables of stone to the hearts of the Israelites and Christains in general Jeremiah 31:31-34 King James Version (KJV) 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.. Secondly as you claim that you know to much, i feel greatly disappointed that you do not know that all those who believe and have faith in Jesus and his atonement are adopted. Israelites. Romans 9:7 Context 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God , and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came , who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac Resource by John Piper Scripture: Galatians 3:6–9 Topic: Adoption Thus Abraham "believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." So you see that it is men of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." So then, those who are men of faith are blessed with Abraham who had faith. Galatians 3:29 Verse Concepts And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:50pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
Maximus69: Out of the 600 laws you claim were there any of those laws that was given to Man and Israelites that was given in the way and manner the 10 commandments were given? |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:56pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
Maximus69: The Old Testament always informs us through the prophets as to what changes are coming in the future. Note the following scripture. Amos 3:7“Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” So what did the Old Testament say about the New Covenant? Jeremiah 31:33 “But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.” Does this verse say God will put a “new” law in their hearts? Or does it say His law “except” His Sabbath being the fourth Commandment? No! The law that God said He is going to write into the hearts of His people is “His law” as it exists in the Old Testament! Hence God is saying that there is going to be NO change to His law with the New Covenant. Some trying to avoid God's law have said that the Old Covenant was made with Israel and so the Ten Commandments were only for Israel. But note that the New Covenant was also made ONLY with the “House of Israel.” This is covered in detail in is the Sabbath for Israel only but in the meanwhile know that the Bible tells us that if we are Christ's then we are Abraham's seed and “children of Israel” or the “House of Israel.” Honestly, how could any sane person think that God would expect one group to obey His law and allow everyone else to sin? (1 John 3:4) Paul elaborates further on the purpose of the law, “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.” Romans 7:7Below is the New Testament fulfilment of Jeremiah 31:33 in regards to the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:6-10 “But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” God made a covenant with His children when He lead them by the hand out of the land of Egypt. (verse 9). The Bible tells us that Christ came as the Mediator of a New Covenant (verse 6) The belief that the New Covenant abolishes the Ten Commandments reflects a misunderstanding of both covenants. God tells us that He altered the original covenant and made “a better covenant, which was established upon better promises” (verse 6). But as we have already seen, it was not established on different laws. The law stayed the same. There was however a weakness or fault in the original covenant. That fault was with the people, NOT with the law. “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:” (verse . It was “because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.” (verse 9). In the Old Covenant God wrote His Ten Commandments on tablets of stone. It was external and not part of the thinking and motives of the people. It was in their literature but NOT in their hearts. In the New Covenant God writes His law “into their minds, and writes them in their hearts.” (verse 10). To enable people to internalise His law, to love it and obey it eagerly and willingly, God makes this promise, Ezekiel 36:26-27 “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.” See also the two Covenants. https://www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Hairyrapunzel: 9:10pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
blueAgent:Or the position of the wife in marriage is an inferior one. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 10:11pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
blueAgent: It's obvious you understand the scriptures more than i thought so continue associating with fellow believers having the same level of understanding and line of thought as you do. Jehovah's Witnesses believes that we are free to commit anything we read that Jesus committed and any laws Jesus boycotted we will boycott, we are enjoying the benefits of oneness in thought and encouragement Sir So you too can enjoy some interchange of encouragement, go and associate with fellow believers of your type having your level of understanding! Hebrew 10:24-25 God bless you Sir!  1 Like |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 10:36pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
blueAgent: Idiomatic expression for God's sake! If the laws can buy salvation, why then did Jesus later said the guy (who had kept ALL THAT IS IN THE LAWS) can't be saved? Did Abraham (who was declared righteous) knew or keep any of those laws?  Well Jesus asked the guy to GO AND OBSERVE THE LAW because all the laws and prophets were pointing to the Christ! So if the guy thoroughly meditated on what was written in those laws he will realize that it's the Christ who is the embodiment of salvation that's standing in front of him!  1 Like |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 10:42pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
blueAgent: I didn't claim it Sir, you too can read the Bible to know for yourself. The book (Bible) is just one big volume of 69 books containing 1,189 chapters and 31,200 verses in all Sir. So go and study just the first five books ONLY, then you'll know if what i typed is true or false! 1 Like |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 10:50pm On Dec 02, 2019 |
blueAgent: So Abel, Eunuch, Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph whose names were included in the book of remembrance {Hebrew 11:4-22} also kept what was written in those commandments shey? You sabi too much Sir! 1 Like |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 8:57pm On Dec 03, 2019 |
Maximus69: Yes they kept it One thing you fail to understand is that that the 10commandments were existing before God gave it to the Israelites on mount Sinai. https://www.nairaland.com/3038010/ten-commandements-preceded-moses Secondly God said that Abraham kept his commandments. Genesis 26:5 , hundreds of years before God spoke to Moses and Israel at Mt. Sinai: “Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws” (NIV https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/did-abraham-keep-the-same-commandments-god-gave-to-moses |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 9:03pm On Dec 03, 2019 |
Maximus69: DID THE TEN COMMANDMENTS PRECEDE MOSES? Most leaders of professing Christianity insist that the core of God’s spiritual Law—the Ten Commandments—is done away. Repeating what they have been taught without requiring proof, they call it the “law of Moses” and claim that it was abolished by Jesus Christ’s sacrifice. But they do not know the difference between the Levitical sacrificial rituals, the law of Moses and the law of God. A combination of ignorance and an attempt to minimize the Ten Commandments as “dispensational” (obligatory for a limited period of time) has caused most to believe the Ten Commandments did not exist prior to Moses receiving them on Mount Sinai. Is this true? Is this what the Bible teaches? While other chapters of this book will address whether the New Testament requires obedience to these marvelous laws, our purpose here is to examine the period from Creation to Moses. Keeping in mind that scripture cannot be broken, what scriptures can be examined for proof? Law of Moses or God’s Law? The Ten Commandments were never referred to as the law of Moses, but rather the law of God. First, understand this! The law of Moses consisted of (1) the civil laws, which were statutes and judgments that Moses relayed to the people from God, recorded in Exodus 21-23 and in the remaining books of the law, and (2) the ritualistic laws (or Greek: ergon ) that were added later, summarized in Hebrews 9:10 . They were ordinances regulating the job of the tribe of Levi in temple service, sacrifices ( Leviticus 1-7 ) and associated functions. The word ergon means “works,” as in the “works of the law” (such as in Galatians 2:16 ). This refers to the labor involving the Levitical rituals that were abolished by Christ’s sacrifice. The Ten Commandments were already in force long before they were officially given to Israel at Mount Sinai and this will be demonstrated. In fact, these commandments have existed since the creation of man. The Ten Commandments were never part of the law of Moses (addressed more fully later in the chapter) or the Levitical sacrificial system. The civil laws and sacrifices were based on God’s commands, which constitute the core of His laws. Thus, the Ten Commandments precede and transcend any and every lesser law or practice based upon them—statutes, judgments, precepts, and ordinances. The Ten Commandments are God’s spiritual laws ( Rom. 7:12 , 14). They are just as active as the physical laws of gravity and inertia. Just as breaking physical laws results in physical consequences, breaking spiritual laws results in spiritual consequences. Sin Defined Most human beings either do not know of or do not like to be reminded of I John 3:4 , which defines sin: “Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” As the subject develops, you will come to see (in stages) the central connection between sin and the law. Romans 6:23 states that “the wages of sin is death.” Romans 5 explains, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned : (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses , even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of Him that was to come)” ( vs. 12-14). In other words, Adam sinned. Sin is not imputed—does not apply—where there is no law (carefully read Romans 4:15 ). Death reigned from Adam to Moses. (Remember, death is the penalty for sin, which is defined as the transgression of the law.) The only way that Adam and his descendants could sin —break God’s spiritual law—is if God’s Law already existed! Without this law in place, no one could be guilty of sin. Instead of rejecting sin, modern religionists reject the law. They view the law as a burden —they want to be free from keeping it. But notice the key lessons found in Romans 7:7 : “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.” It is not the law that is at fault—and Paul is clearly citing one of the Ten Commandments—but sin. God reveals to us what sin is. He does this by His perfect law. On his own, man cannot discover God’s perfect law. God has to reveal and teach it to us. Man’s First Sin In the Garden of Eden, God talked to Adam and gave him clear, understandable instructions. Adam needed this. He was an adult with an adult mind, but God had to reveal to him the spiritual boundaries that Adam could not discover on his own, without breaking God’s laws. Genesis 2:15 states, “And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.” Adam was given instructions on how to maintain the garden. He was also commanded not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (not to decide for himself what is right or wrong), and was told exactly what the penalty would be for disobeying this command. In effect, he was presented with what would be the same penalty described in the New Testament: “the wages of sin is death” ( Rom. 6:23 ). God revealed to Adam, and to his wife, Eve, right knowledge about how to live. But He gave them the freedom to decide whether or not they would follow His way. This was free moral agency, which God has given to all mankind. Satan, in the form of a serpent, told Eve that if she took the fruit of the forbidden tree, “You shall not surely die: for God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil” ( Gen. 3:4-5 ). Being gullible in the face of Satan’s shrewd tactics, Eve fell for his deception and ate from the tree, as did Adam. Adam sinned by acting against God’s command. He broke God’s Law. In doing so, he became the servant of the one whom he obeyed—Satan. This principle is explained in Romans 6:16 : “Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” Whoever or whatever someone obeys and serves is his god. In this case, Adam and Eve broke the First Commandment by putting another god before the Creator God . In doing so, they also broke the Fifth Commandment, by dishonoring their Parent , in the sense that Adam was a created son of God (Luke 3:38 ). Their sin also involved stealing (the Eighth Commandment), in that they took something that was not theirs. Besides this, Eve lusted for the forbidden fruit. Lusting is coveting, which breaks the Tenth Commandment. Breaking one commandment leads to breaking all of them. This is precisely what the apostle James expressed in James 2:10 : “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” God’s laws are interrelated and intricately woven together—if you break one, you eventually break them all. Sin always spreads. In Genesis 4 , Adam’s first son, Cain, became angry against his brother Abel, because God accepted Abel’s sacrifice, but not Cain’s. Notice how God admonished Cain in verses 6-7 : “And the Lord said unto Cain, Why are you wroth [angry]? and why is your countenance fallen? If you do well, shall you not be accepted? and if you do not well, sin [impossible without the Law] lies at the door. And unto you shall be his desire, and you shall rule over him.” Cain murdered and broke the Sixth Commandment. When someone is in the wrong frame of mind, sin does lie at the door, waiting to happen, because sinful thoughts lead to sinful actions. God commands us to rule over sin—to control those pulls and impulses to commit sin. Cain murdered Abel and lied to God about it. This is a direct violation of the Ninth Commandment, which forbids “bearing false witness against your neighbor.” Cain had sinned and he knew it. This happened a few decades after Adam had first sinned. Adam and Eve’s expanding family knew that sin was the breaking of God’s Law, or God would not have held them accountable. Other Commandments in Force Before Sinai The Bible gives examples of each of the Ten Commandments being kept before Moses’ time. When God called Jacob to return to Bethel, where God had appeared to him approximately 21 years before, Jacob warned his people, “Put away the strange gods that are among you , and be clean, and change your garments: and let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went” (Gen. 35:2-3 ). Jacob knew that God forbade idolatry—breaking the Second Commandment. By telling his household to put away their idols, this fulfilled the principle in Proverbs 16:6 , “By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.” When Abram told King Abimelech that Sarah, his half sister and wife, was merely his sister, he lied—another breaking of the Ninth Commandment. Believing this, Abimelech sent for Sarah. Now notice Genesis 20:3-4 , 6: “But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, you are but a dead man, for the woman which you have taken; for she is a man’s wife. But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, will you slay also a righteous nation?…And God said unto him in a dream, Yes, I know that you did this in the integrity of your heart; for I also withheld you from sinning against Me: therefore suffered I you not to touch her.” In this situation, Abimelech would have committed adultery, which is a sin. He would have broken the Seventh Commandment. When Joseph was tempted by the advances of Potiphar’s wife, he “…refused, and said unto his master’s wife, Behold, my master knows not what is with me in the house, and he has committed all that he has to my hand; There is none greater in this house than I; neither has he kept back any thing from me but you, because you are his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God ?” (Gen. 39:8-9 ). Joseph was well aware that adultery was sin. This occurred about 250 years before the law was officially presented to Israel at Mount Sinai! The Lesson of Manna During their march to the Promised Land, God told the Israelites to gather their daily amount of manna each morning. On the morning before the weekly Sabbath there would be enough for both days. This was because no manna would appear on the Sabbath, God’s day of rest. God intended that the Israelites rest on the Sabbath, rather than spend time gathering manna. This account is given in Exodus 16. In verse 28, after some of the people deliberately broke the Sabbath by attempting to gather manna, God told Moses, “How long refuse you [Israel] to keep My commandments and My laws?” Now notice verses 29-30: “See, for that the Lord has given you the Sabbath, therefore He gives you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide you every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. So the people rested on the seventh day.” So, the Fourth Commandment was in effect before the Law was given at Mount Sinai. By the time Israel entered the land of Canaan, the nations there had “run the full course”—they had surpassed the threshold of moral collapse, much like nations have done today. God knew that this would happen and had told Abram about it, over 400 years earlier: “And you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they [Abram’s seed—the nation Israel] shall come here again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full” (Gen. 15:15-16 ). Here, the word “iniquity” comes from the Hebrew word avon, which means “perversity, mischief or sin.” If there had been no law in force, there would not have been any iniquity or sin for the Amorites, or any other nation, to commit. Refer to Leviticus 18:3 , 19-30 for more description of the iniquity and abominations committed by the Canaanites. They included sacrificing—murdering—their children in the fire of the false god Molech, every form of adultery and sexual perversity, and profaning the name of God, among other sins. Take a look at the pre-Flood world: “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” ( Gen. 6:1-3 , 5-6 ). The word “wickedness” used here comes from the Hebrew word rah , which means “exceedingly evil.” So wicked was mankind that verse 6 tells us, “And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.” This wickedness brought every conceivable type of sin and blatant disregard for the sanctity of life. These sins were imputed—pointed out—by the laws of God—the Ten Commandments, which existed from the creation of mankind. These examples show that all the Ten Commandments preceded Moses. From Adam to Moses, all men had sinned— had broken God’s laws, the Ten Commandments. That is why God commended Abraham, saying, “Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws” ( Gen. 26:5 ). |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 9:07pm On Dec 03, 2019 |
Maximus69: Ok, sorry for that but answer my question. Is there any commandments or law given in the Bible that defines Sin or was given by God admist fire,tempest, earthquake, great sounds and lighting other than the 10 commandments? |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 9:15pm On Dec 03, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: The wife is not inferior to the husband by nature, I mean they are both humans and equal in that regards But when it comes to authority and headship the Man is the head, so also God the Father and his son Jesus Christ, they are both God by nature.. But God the Father is senior to the Son because he proceeded the son. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 9:19pm On Dec 03, 2019 |
Maximus69: Keeping the law cannot save anyone, what saves is the blood of Jesus the atonement for sin done by Jesus We are aslo taught that faith without works is dead so if we believe that Jesus has saved us we are required to show or demonstrate our faith in him by living to please him We don't keep the law because we want to be saved, rather we keep the law because we are already saved. The role of the law is to point out sin Romans 8:3-4 King James Version (KJV) 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Yes Abraham knew and kept the law https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-god-s-grace-blot-out-the-law- |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 9:22pm On Dec 03, 2019 |
Maximus69: So for you is all about pleasing man and crowd rather than pleasing God? |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 6:03am On Dec 04, 2019 |
blueAgent: The one and only difference between God's arrangement and that of Satan is Orderliness (Organization). Satan wants each person to stand for self appraisal and eulogising. he rebelled against the same orderliness in heaven, that's why you're seeing so much natural disasters occurring often and often {Mark 4:37-38} It's as a result of powerful spirits dragging territories amongst themselves, and their leader Satan is seated watching the survival of the fittest. Mark 4:39 The true God wants his own people to be ORGANIZED as one big happy family. He speaks of one whom he has appointed as leader and also approves heads for groups all within his organization unitedly working together with oneness of thought. 1Corinthians 1:10 So if you find out that there is unresolved issues amongst human on SACRED MATTERS, then know today that God is not in their midst! 1Corinthians 14:40 Wherever you see LOVE, JOY, PEACE and other attributes of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} know today that God is present there because God is LOVE {1John 4:8, Mark 12:29-31} that's the main objective of all the commandments and prophets that has ever walked this planet! Romans 10:4 Jesus said he has conquered the world { John 16:33} because he has established a system by which Godly qualities will start reflecting in the midst of humans {Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10} but only amongst those keeping his words. Matthew 7:28-29 So for you to start going back to the laws (commandments) which helped Christians to know how they were before applying the teachings of Christ is like telling a well dressed model to go back and carry the MIRROR {1Corinthians 13:12, Galatians 3:19-29, James 1:23} please for what purpose again?  1 Like |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Hairyrapunzel: 8:55am On Dec 04, 2019 |
blueAgent: That's how the jehovah witnesses say it. They just don't know that we have sense. They tell you that the son is inferior or has an inferior position to the father but once you tell them that the wife is inferior or has inferior position they start fumbling. 1 Like |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 9:58am On Dec 04, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: The follower "crunchig" whom both of you have been quoting is not even one of Jehovah's Witnesses, go back and read his comments you'll see that he's here to support the TRINITY! Can you now see the level this bitterness is driving you? |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Hairyrapunzel: 10:03am On Dec 04, 2019 |
Maximus69: Your wife is inferior to you |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:41am On Dec 04, 2019 |
The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God. Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity. "THE WORD WAS GOD” John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( King James Version ) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. ( John 1:14 ) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God. Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” ( A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” ( The New Testament in an Improved Version ) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” ( The Translator’s New Testament ) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. * Instead, because of his high position among God's creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.” GET MORE FACTS Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1 , you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion. For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18 : “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” ( John 1:14 , KJ ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3 , Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” ( John 20:31 ) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God. CONFIRM THE FACTS Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ( Matthew 24:36 ) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God? Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows? As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.— Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15 |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 12:08pm On Dec 04, 2019 |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Hairyrapunzel: 5:09pm On Dec 04, 2019 |
Maximus69: Eya you can't handle your doctrines right? It doesn't even sound right in your ear. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 5:16pm On Dec 04, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: Wahala dey Okoko! |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 11:49pm On Dec 06, 2019 |
Maximus69: Story telling. The fact is that Jesus would not have lived a Holy life without him observing and keeping those 10 commandments. You cannot separate law from righteousness, because for one to be righteous he needs to mediate on the law of God daily. Psalm 119:97-101 Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day. You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies; For they are ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers, For Your testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, Because I keep Your precepts. I have restrained my feet from every evil way, That I may keep Your word. Psalm 119:165 Great peace have those who love Your law, And nothing causes them to stumble. Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, Who walk in the law of the LORD! Psalm 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness. Psalm 19:7-11 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward. John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 12:03am On Dec 07, 2019 |
Maximus69: Rather than replace or discard the law Jesus magnified and made the law more honourable just like prophet Isaiah said, by stressing or broadening the scope of the law Jesus demonstrated that the law abides forever. Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honorable. E.g the people taught fornication was committed only when a man sleeps with a woman but Jesus taught them that a man who looks and dwells on the taught of a woman's looks has already committed fornication before God. Likewise a man who is angry with his brother unjustly has already committed murder before God. As you can see Jesus magnified and exalted the law rather set it aside. Matthew 5:27-28 New King James Version (NKJV) Adultery in the Heart 27 “You have heard that it was said [ a]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ◄ Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:28 ►But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by Nobody: 8:23am On Dec 07, 2019 |
blueAgent: You've resolved this issue a week ago when you said "let God judge each person according to there deeds" Of course that's another excellent way to rephrase your comment "May God will judge you according to how many people you love" And i enthusiastically responded "Amen, in Jesus name" Let's leave the matter for now, you go on keeping the laws you know and i'll continue loving the way Jesus did. May God bless you Sir! |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by tomakint: 2:32am On Mar 21, 2022 |
blueAgent: Wonderful piece, thoroughly researched on..... 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(m): 10:20pm On Mar 23, 2022 |
tomakint: Thanks |
| Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by sarahkel: 1:04pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND JESUS CHRIST WORK IN UNITY THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED ONE BECAUSE THEY WORK TOGETHER NOT THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME SUPREME POWER GOD IS THE HEAD OF EVERYTHING. BUT, HE STILL NEEDS THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO CARRY OUT HIS PLANS, AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST |
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