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Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkaiCorne(m): 9:59pm On Sep 04, 2019
I dey come. I have unfinished business on 2 other threads.

Will address these your responses. Honestly your replies are baffling.

I will be back

Bishop Oyedepo also knows Satan's weakness. Interesting.

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by Anas09: 10:36pm On Sep 04, 2019
OkCornel:

So far, I have answered the following questions regarding the Pergamos Church

1. Meaning of the seat of Satan
2. The doctrines of Balaam, and how are those doctrines casting stumbling blocks on today's Christians
3. The doctrines of the Nicolaitans
You are yet to say how their mistakes relate with exposing satan. I'm saying Jesus warned us against what you abd yours were doing, based on that you said that was how the Church in Pergamos and Thyatira made mistakes. So, why mistakes did they make relating to what EnthronedbyGod was doing?

OkCornel:

This question you are asking is a joke right? What was Jesus teaching in Matthew 12 v 43-45? What was Jesus teaching in Matthew 17 v 15-21?
Maybe you shd post the scriptures and explain them within context.

OkCornel:

After pasting the various screenshots of people's testimonies on that thread, you are repeating this question again? REALLY?
No one got born again and confessed Christ by being told the names of demons and what they do.
I never saw anyone who said they stopped sinning as a result of hearing what satan can do. No drug addict got over his addiction. No prostitute got delivered from the spirit of Perversion. No homosexual got delivered. No liar stopped lying.

Do you know what testimony is? Once I was blind, but niw, I can see. That is a testimony.

OkCornel:

I will refresh your memories with the testimonies again, plus the extra ones that came in the last 3 days.
Okay.

OkCornel:

We can start with the number of testimonies of victory na. Plus the numerous testimonies of victory from Kenneth Hagin and other similar ministers. Countless testimonies you are unwilling to look at.
Lol. Testimonies by EnthronedbyGod here on Nairaland. Don't be coy. Don't play the devil here.

OkCornel:

Jesus spoke about Satan quite well.
Spoke about or taught about satan very well? And in what context did He speak about satan?
Did he tell what satan has been up to since he tricked Adam in Eden? Did the Lord taught about how satan sets traps and brings people down?
How many names of demons did Jesus tell his followers?

OkCornel:

As a matter of fact, Jesus conversed with Satan in His temptation at the wilderness.
As in, he invited satan into a tete ate? Are you serious right now? Is this how you insist on teaching error? U can open facedly lie to teach a lie?

OkCornel:

He also spoke about Satan when the 70 He sent out came back with testimonies of good report. He said He saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven.
What did He say? He told them how strong satan was right. He told where and where satan lives, what he does, and how he does his things abi?

OkCornel:

Also, Satan was the enemy referred to that sowed tares among the wheat while men slept. Satan was the one referred to as the wicked one that snatches the word from the heart of people that never understood it, when He was preaching about the parable of the seed.
OKcornel. This is really lame. I don't expect this from you at all. You mean these are the premise you stand upon to teach spiritism and demonology? SMH.

OkCornel:

Jesus also made to clear to Peter that He interceded on his behalf so Satan will not destroy him.
So this Jesus teaching demonology?

OkCornel:

Again, I ask you...what was Jesus teaching in Matthew 12 v 43-45 and Matthew 17 v 15-21? Jesus must have been very wrong to also teach Kenneth Hagin extensively on the operations of demons too!
Based on what you have posted so far, it obvious your mind is set to teach spiritism. Jesus never ever taught demonology. He made the people know what rhwybare up against if they didn't cross over to the Kingdom of Light. Anytime he met them, they are the who cried out terrified. He cast them out without much ado. It's Blasphemy to say Jesus held a conversation with satan?

OkCornel:

There's no misplaced priority here, rather...you are the one persistently refusing to see the bigger picture at play here.
Your bigger picture is that, you want to teach demonology by all means and are ready to bend scriptures to do so.

OkCornel:

And why did Paul clearly admonish believers not to be ignorant of the wiles of the devil? Hmmm?
What did he say the wiles of the devil are, within the cintext he said it?

OkCornel:

Victory over oppression, and yes ... victory over sinful habits. Wait till I bring more testimonies of victories here
Okay, I'm waiting.

OkCornel:

Yes it has! The numerous testimonies of victories and triumph proves that!
Lol. Where are the Testimonies?

How many of them repented from their sins by what you and yours do here?
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 10:49pm On Sep 04, 2019
I dey come. I will address the tithe issue on the other thread, and get back to this. Chai, this is hilarious.

I don't want to omit that one tonight.
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:08pm On Sep 04, 2019
The testimonies Anas09 is refusing to see.

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:09pm On Sep 04, 2019
More testimonies Anas is refusing to see

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:10pm On Sep 04, 2019
And yet more testimonies Anas089 is refusing to admit;

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:11pm On Sep 04, 2019
Still more testimonies Anas09 is refusing to admit

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:12pm On Sep 04, 2019
And yet more testimonies of liberation Anas09 is turning a blind eye to

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:18pm On Sep 04, 2019
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:45pm On Sep 04, 2019
Anas09:

Unnecessary. This says nothing relating to the Op.

It's unfortunate you cannot connect the dots to see the bigger picture. Retelling the story of Israel being saved from Egypt only to eventually break God's commandments on idolatry and sexual immorality mirrors what the Pergamos church did. I am surprised you could not decipher that.

Anas09:

Yes, but they had people like EnthronedbyGod in their midst who kept telling them about things they didn't need to hear, which led to them falling into doing them. What you listen to, you become.

Lies! Those that propagated the doctrine of Balaam and Nicolaitans in Pergamos did it with the objective of leading believers astray to worship other gods and commit sexual immorality. Please how does enthronedbyGod's exposure of the kingdom of darkness and testimonies of victory over them eventually lead believers into worshipping other gods ehn? Anas


Anas09:

Yes, but eating food sacrificed to idols today may no necessarily be literal Eba and soup. We are told to eat the Word of God, what that means is that, reading or listening to the Word of God can be termed eating it.
If we are fed with wrong teachings, we are being fed with food sacrificed to idols because those teachings will pollute us.

According to the gospel of Anas Chapter 4 v 2. Please back up this your analogy with scriptural examples. Eating food offered to idols as recorded in the scriptures was in the literal sense, and not this personal interpretation you are putting up here. Oya, show us where any of the Apostles or Prophets interpreted eating food meant for idols as swallowing wrong teachings? So what then is the difference between eating food offered to idols and heresies in the scriptural sense?

Anas09:

Secondly. Committing fornication doesn't only mean having sex outside marriage. It means embracing other ideologies outside of Christ's.

Read the scripture in context and stop adding your personal meanings to it. The situation in Pergamos referred to literal fornication. Sexual immorality. Nothing more to that.

Anas09:

So, if teach the people teaching which will make people have other ideologies different from the teachings of Christ, you are leading people to commit fornication. Read the book of Isaiah and Jeremiah and see how God kept saying the Israelites were committing fornication and Adultery because they embraced other gods.
You have successfully told us you can't differentiate between idolatry, fornication and adultery by lumping all these into one basket of unfaithfulness. Unfaithfulness was what the Prophets were addressing. Fornication and adultery means everything it means in its literal sense, same goes for idolatry.

Now the million dollar question is, Did EnthronedbyGod do altar call for anybody to accept idols or the devil? nope. Did he encourage anyone to commit sinful lifestyle? nope!

Anas09:

You may be mistaking denominations to mean 'The Church'. Sir. The Church of Jesus is good. No one can corrupt the bride of Christ. No one pollute the wife of the Master.

The Lord and Apst Paul warned that we wld see what is happening today in the world, and it is happening. People arw repenting genuinely everyday. People serving God genuinely. You are not seeing because your mind is seeing what you want it to see. And, it's not even for you to see. Mind your bizness. You are not the Husband of the Church. So, run your race.

People are repenting genuinely, people are backsliding, people are being liberated from oppression, people are still in bondage due to their fear and ignorance, people are serving God for their bellies in various denominations. Have a holistic view rather than a parochial one

Anas09:

Why then are you surprised that prophecies are being fulfilled?
Who told you I am surprised? I am quoting what happened live in the early church which is still playing itself out today as Jude noted.

Anas09:

Are these the mistakes of the Church Pergamos which you said they committed?

You made it seem like they made mistakes of not knowing more about the dev hence they fell into sin. That's why I opened this thread.

They were ignorant of Jesus' standard and compromised to accommodate fornication and idolatry which was prevalent in Pergamos traditions. So yes, they were ignorant of the wiles of the devil that eventually led them into error.

Anas09:

How did their mistakes connect with what EnthronedbyGod was doing in his thread?

You tell me how to connect it. How does EnthronedbyGod's exposure of the secrets of the Kingdom of darkness and testimonies of many others' victory on them automatically translate into idolatry and fornication?

Anas09:

This is not the Op. Pls focus on the Op.


Pretty sad you cannot connect the dots. Just as the Pergamos church compromised to allow sinful lifestyle of idolatry and fornication into their church, so do churches today compromise on Christ's standards all for the crowd and money. They tone down messages of repentance and rather more of Grace and Liberty, thus preaching lopsided doctrines leading a lot of people to error. Just like the Pergamos church.

Since you asked how such doctrines constitute a stumbling block to believers today.
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:50pm On Sep 04, 2019
Anas 09;

Please what was Jesus teaching His disciples here?

Matthew 12 v 43-45;
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.



Matthew 17 v 15-21;
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by Anas09: 8:37am On Sep 05, 2019
Like I keep telling you, but you Keep evading thw point. The reason for this thread is for you to state the mistakes of the Churches you mentioned and how it relates to the discussion on demonology in EnthronedbyGod's thread. You are rigmaroling.
OkCornel:

Lies! Those that propagated the doctrine of Balaam and Nicolaitans in Pergamos did it with the objective of leading believers astray to worship other gods and commit sexual immorality. Please how does enthronedbyGod's exposure of the kingdom of darkness and testimonies of victory over them eventually lead believers into worshipping other gods ehn? Anas
Do you remember "Monogamous consensual same sex people who hurt no body, and how it went on and on even when it cannot be corroborated with scriptures? This is exactly what you are doing here. You want to teach demonology, you justify Yourself even when the very scriptures you quote testify against you.

OkCornel:

According to the gospel of Anas Chapter 4 v 2. Please back up this your analogy with scriptural examples. Eating food offered to idols as recorded in the scriptures was in the literal sense, and not this personal interpretation you are putting up here. Oya, show us where any of the Apostles or Prophets interpreted eating food meant for idols as swallowing wrong teachings? So what then is the difference between eating food offered to idols and heresies in the scriptural sense?
Now I see why you're so shallow when it comes to the Word of God. Lolzzzzz. There are three levels to interpret the Word.
The outer level.
The inner level
The Most inner level.
But, I see you remain at the outer level, hence you can accuse the Lord of having a conversation with satan and say He was teaching us about demons.

Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

The Word of God is Spiritual food, but if some charlatan misuses it by teaching errors what do you think happens to the heater? The Lord calls the Word of God 'A two edges sword'. Meaning it can trim and give you life, but if not rightly used, it can consume you. Hence the Lord who is the Word is called 'A consuming fire'.

Right now, you are twisting the Word to teach demonology, you'd be feeding poison to anyone who believes your teachings and follow them.

OkCornel:

Read the scripture in context and stop adding your personal meanings to it. The situation in Pergamos referred to literal fornication. Sexual immorality. Nothing more to that.
Hahahahahahaha. You shd take your own advise, that is, if you know how to take the Word contextually.
Shd I also give you scriptures that God called idol worship fornication? lol. Bros, go to Bible school and stop this pls.
OkCornel:

You have successfully told us you can't differentiate between idolatry, fornication and adultery by lumping all these into one basket of unfaithfulness. Unfaithfulness was what the Prophets were addressing. Fornication and adultery means everything it means in its literal sense, same goes for idolatry.
If by this time you still do not know that adultery and fornication does not mean literal sex only, then I can't help you.

Maybe you shd take trip down to Isaiah and Jeremiah, they can help you.

OkCornel:

Now the million dollar question is, Did EnthronedbyGod do altar call for anybody to accept idols or the devil? nope. Did he encourage anyone to commit sinful lifestyle? nope!
Do you see people who porn movies or the manufacturers of guns and drugs making altar calls for people to accept their goods? No. They just put them out there.

We live in a time where people, especially those who believe they're called into the deliverance ministries are bombarding the people with unscriptural gospel of demons and their works, and people just lap them up, because very few wants the discipline that comes with following the Word.

Itchy ears.

OkCornel:

People are repenting genuinely, people are backsliding, people are being liberated from oppression, people are still in bondage due to their fear and ignorance, people are serving God for their bellies in various denominations. Have a holistic view rather than a parochial one
The bolded is why we preach the gospel of Christ. The Gospel which is good news. That is why I am here saying, 'Stop going on and on about Satan. He is the reason for fear and bondage in the hearts of men. Preach Christ not satan.

People have been serving God for their bellies from time. It didn't start today, it won't end today.

Which Commission was committed into your hands OKcornel? Remember when you are done here, it is the talent that was given to you to multiply is what will be demanded from you, not what you thought appropriate to invest in. No one send you this message of demonology.

OkCornel:

Who told you I am surprised? I am quoting what happened live in the early church which is still playing itself out today as Jude noted.
Check your tone.

OkCornel:

They were ignorant of Jesus' standard and compromised to accommodate fornication and idolatry which was prevalent in Pergamos traditions. So yes, they were ignorant of the wiles of the devil that eventually led them into error.
What you have just confirm here is that Jesus is inconsistent. He warned them against the deep things of satan. (Meaning, stay away from satan), but on the other hand, blamed them for not knowing more about satan hence fell into sin. The Col 2:8 you quoted clearly commanded us to steer clear demonology not go into it, how then wld Jesus blame people for not doing it?

OKcornel, the wiles of satan are not what you and yours are doing here. The wiles of satan arw the strategies he uses in trapping down his victims. Basically Pride, then others like anger, malice, fear, lying, stealing, sexual immoralities, unbelief, doubts, inconsistencies, double mindedness. Perversion of all kinds, Lust, idolatry etc. These are the wiles of satan, not the names of demons Nd what they do.

OkCornel:

You tell me how to connect it. How does EnthronedbyGod's exposure of the secrets of the Kingdom of darkness and testimonies of many others' victory on them automatically translate into idolatry and fornication?
He that is called of God speaks the word of God.

Go ye into all the world's and preach the gospel saying, 'The Kingdom of God is at hand's, repent and believe in whom God has sent

As my father has sent me, so send I you.

Which of these did EnthronedbyGod do?
Who sent him to preach demonology? Definitely not Jesus.
No matter how hard you try to hark at this, it won't cut.

OkCornel:

Pretty sad you cannot connect the dots. Just as the Pergamos church compromised to allow sinful lifestyle of idolatry and fornication into their church, so do churches today compromise on Christ's standards all for the crowd and money. They tone down messages of repentance and rather more of Grace and Liberty, thus preaching lopsided doctrines leading a lot of people to error. Just like the Pergamos church.
Lol. The Pergamum Church fell into fornication and idolatry because they hung out with people who did not insist on teaching the gospel of Christ, just like you and yours here. You wld rather talk about satan than Jesus, but you in particular turned around to call them Cowards for being afraid of satan. Woe betide you.

OkCornel:

Since you asked how such doctrines constitute a stumbling block to believers today.
Yes, I did, and I'm yet to get a reasonable scriptural response from you.

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Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by OkCornel(m): 11:56am On Sep 05, 2019
Chai...

My people perish for lack of knowledge.

I will back later today to address all these funny responses.

Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by Blackfire(m): 10:38am On Mar 26
Hi Anas09 ...can we private chat
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by Anas09: 7:27pm On Mar 26
Blackfire:
Hi Anas09 ...can we private chat
Yes, Backfire, we can.
Re: The Mistakes Of The Churches Of Thyatira And Pergamum by Blackfire(m): 10:02pm On Mar 26
Anas09:

Yes, Backfire, we can.




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