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The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by unstoppable51(m): 7:17am On Sep 08
From Feedmejesus.com

Growing up as a young Christian, one of the teachings I found predominant among Pentecostals in the part of Nigeria where I grew up was the subject of “Foundation.”

Foundation here is always used to refer a person’s roots. Where he came from.

It was taught with different terminologies like “breaking free from foundational problems,” “how to defeat and destroy your faulty foundation,” “your foundation, your limitation” and much more.

We were taught “foundational problems” are always very difficult to tackle so to break free from them, you are always required to pray VERY hard, sow OUTRAGEOUS seeds (money of course) and embark on LONG hours of fasting.

If those three methods fail to work, then you will need to get “sand” or any other material from your father’s compound in the village and add a very powerful special sacrifice (oh yes I mean money) to it. By all means, the limitation must be broken!

A popular verse of scripture from where this doctrine of foundation was deduced from and wildly propagated among churches in Nigeria and beyond is Psalm 11:3 .

But what is this verse really about? What is it saying? Let’s see it together from the Bible.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalm 11:3 KJV
Was David the author of this verse talking about foundation as in roots of the righteous? What was he trying to say here?

Now if you just read that verse from the King James Translation of the Bible alone, you’d erroneously assume that’s what he’s talking about. But the truth is, what he is talking about in that verse is far from what we have made of it today.

To understand the simple message he was trying to pass across there, we’ll have to read the previous and succeeding verses using a different translation for clarity.

“I trust in the LORD for protection. So why do you say to me, “Fly like a bird to the mountains for safety!
The wicked are stringing their bows and arrows on the bowstrings. They shoot from the shadows at those whose hearts are right.

The foundation of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do?”

But the LORD is in his holy Temple; the LORD still rules from heaven. He watches everyone closely, examining every person on the earth.

The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence.
He will rain down blazing coals and burning sulphur on the wicked, punishing them with scorching winds.

For the righteous LORD loves justice. The virtuous will see his face.” Psalm 11:1-7 NLT
The Message translation is another translation that breaks this chapter down for easy understanding.

From the entire chapter, you can see clearly that the “foundation” David was talking about in that verse was simply Peace and order being destroyed in the land as of the time he wrote that Psalm.

That is, he was talking about how crime and violence now reigns in Israel and how the good people in that land lack the power or ability (physically) to combat it.
He then went ahead to express his trust and confidence in God’s protection over him and the righteous people in the face of the ongoing violence in the country.

It has nothing to do with the false teaching of foundation (roots) that is currrently being used to deprive people of their hard earned resources in Nigeria and Africa today. You’ve got to open your eyes to this.

Talking about the Christian and his true foundation, you’ve got to understand that the Christian is a product of Christ’s resurrection. He has his roots in Jesus and since he originated from Him, He (Jesus) is his foundation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11 expressly called Him our foundation although he called Him that in talking about the Christian faith and teachings.

(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
He is the base, the foundation from which we have our beliefs and teachings. But even more, He is where we have our lives, our roots and origin.

(Act 17:28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
The believer, created anew, is the offspring of God in Christ.

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And since Christ rose from death completely perfect without any iota of sin, we can trust in Him completely knowing that our foundation as new creations is forever faultless .

This is the truth of the scriptures. Let no man put you again in bondage to fear.
Let no man unsettle you with “false” prophecies of your foundation being faulty as a believer in Christ to which you are required to make one sacrifice or the other. Jesus is our ever faultless foundation.

When next they come with those terrifying messages to milk you dry or subject you to unnecessary religious exercises, stand your ground, beat up your chest and say “Jesus is my ever faultless foundation. In Him I have my roots. No shaking!”
I hope this blesses you.
Glory to God!

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/02/jesus-our-ever-faultless-foundation_23.html?m=1

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by PureGoldh(m): 8:44am On Sep 08
Noted...OP Thank you for this wonderful message... May God inspire you to do more for him.

Keep it up

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by MrPresident1: 8:45am On Sep 08
Asteroid is coming, asteroid is coming, protect your skulls in Jesus.

Before 30th September 2019
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by hopefulLandlord: 8:46am On Sep 08
Hmmmm
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Truefaith: 8:46am On Sep 08
Check this issue up with your Bible OPEN at














www.thetruechristianfaith.com
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by helinues: 8:48am On Sep 08
Ok
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by solasoulmusic(f): 8:52am On Sep 08
Just be careful of household enemy I keep enough sticks and stones to break a bone if they enter my room sha
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by princeSammyz: 8:52am On Sep 08
I do not doubt foundational issues. Sometimes you hear stories and you wonder if there were coincidences. However, I believe the work of Christ settles them for they that believe. For this reason He was made manifest. No other 'sacrifice' is needed.

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by ejifranks(m): 8:56am On Sep 08
Op I have seen family liberations against generational foundation ills performed by catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals, evangelists, charismatic, and white garments sects alike. What I don't understand is if all this denominations and their shepherds do not know or choose to ignore your viewpoint on this matter.
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by LegalOpinion: 9:24am On Sep 08
Noted
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by LegalOpinion: 9:28am On Sep 08
ejifranks:
Op I have seen family liberations against generational foundation ills performed by catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals, evangelists, charismatic, and white garments sects alike. What I don't understand is if all this denominations and their shepherds do not know or choose to ignore your viewpoint on this matter.

They may well be extremely ignorant or simply a product of age long doctrine and everybody following the same order and a belief system that beclouds their sense of reasoning.

Have you noticed that these "faulty foundation rhetoric" is only preached and prophesied on poor people only?

Does it mean the likes of Elumelu, Dangote, Otedola, Adenuga etc didn't come from same foundation as their kins?

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by OkCornel(m): 9:31am On Sep 08
For Nigerian Christians that let their gods of men to think for them, please read what Apostle John has for you;

1 John 2 v 26-27 (Amplified Bible)

26 These things I have written to you with reference to those who are trying to deceive you [seducing you and leading you away from the truth and sound doctrine].

27 As for you, the anointing [the special gift, the preparation] which you received from Him remains [permanently] in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you. But just as His anointing teaches you [giving you insight through the presence of the Holy Spirit] about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as His anointing has taught you, you must remain in Him [being rooted in Him, knit to Him].





The written word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Even genuine pastors are dependent on the Spirit of God...


Do not fall for the subtle trap of prioritizing the products (Bible + Man of God) over and above the source (Holy Spirit)... Also rely on the source. You have him in you to guide you into all truth.

Trust the Spirit first, before anything else He leads you to.

https://www.nairaland.com/5275368/pastor-poju-oyemade-reacts-biodun#79834826

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by lakesidepapa(m): 9:38am On Sep 08
ejifranks:
Op I have seen family liberations against generational foundation ills performed by catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals, evangelists, charismatic, and white garments sects alike. What I don't understand is if all this denominations and their shepherds do not know or choose to ignore your viewpoint on this matter.

Very much possible! According to Op, Psalm 11:3 shouldn't be used as a reference point to the phenomenon as the verse written by David is completely different from how most Christians view it.

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by lakesidepapa(m): 9:41am On Sep 08
unstoppable51:
From Feedmejesus.com

Growing up as a young Christian, one of the teachings I found predominant among Pentecostals in the part of Nigeria where I grew up was the subject of “Foundation.”

Foundation here is always used to refer a person’s roots. Where he came from.

It was taught with different terminologies like “breaking free from foundational problems,” “how to defeat and destroy your faulty foundation,” “your foundation, your limitation” and much more.

We were taught “foundational problems” are always very difficult to tackle so to break free from them, you are always required to pray VERY hard, sow OUTRAGEOUS seeds (money of course) and embark on LONG hours of fasting.

If those three methods fail to work, then you will need to get “sand” or any other material from your father’s compound in the village and add a very powerful special sacrifice (oh yes I mean money) to it. By all means, the limitation must be broken!

A popular verse of scripture from where this doctrine of foundation was deduced from and wildly propagated among churches in Nigeria and beyond is Psalm 11:3 .

But what is this verse really about? What is it saying? Let’s see it together from the Bible.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalm 11:3 KJV
Was David the author of this verse talking about foundation as in roots of the righteous? What was he trying to say here?

Now if you just read that verse from the King James Translation of the Bible alone, you’d erroneously assume that’s what he’s talking about. But the truth is, what he is talking about in that verse is far from what we have made of it today.

To understand the simple message he was trying to pass across there, we’ll have to read the previous and succeeding verses using a different translation for clarity.

“I trust in the LORD for protection. So why do you say to me, “Fly like a bird to the mountains for safety!
The wicked are stringing their bows and arrows on the bowstrings. They shoot from the shadows at those whose hearts are right.

The foundation of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do?”

But the LORD is in his holy Temple; the LORD still rules from heaven. He watches everyone closely, examining every person on the earth.

The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence.
He will rain down blazing coals and burning sulphur on the wicked, punishing them with scorching winds.

For the righteous LORD loves justice. The virtuous will see his face.” Psalm 11:1-7 NLT
The Message translation is another translation that breaks this chapter down for easy understanding.

From the entire chapter, you can see clearly that the “foundation” David was talking about in that verse was simply Peace and order being destroyed in the land as of the time he wrote that Psalm.

That is, he was talking about how crime and violence now reigns in Israel and how the good people in that land lack the power or ability (physically) to combat it.
He then went ahead to express his trust and confidence in God’s protection over him and the righteous people in the face of the ongoing violence in the country.

It has nothing to do with the false teaching of foundation (roots) that is currrently being used to deprive people of their hard earned resources in Nigeria and Africa today. You’ve got to open your eyes to this.

Talking about the Christian and his true foundation, you’ve got to understand that the Christian is a product of Christ’s resurrection. He has his roots in Jesus and since he originated from Him, He (Jesus) is his foundation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11 expressly called Him our foundation although he called Him that in talking about the Christian faith and teachings.

(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
He is the base, the foundation from which we have our beliefs and teachings. But even more, He is where we have our lives, our roots and origin.

(Act 17:28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
The believer, created anew, is the offspring of God in Christ.

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And since Christ rose from death completely perfect without any iota of sin, we can trust in Him completely knowing that our foundation as new creations is forever faultless .

This is the truth of the scriptures. Let no man put you again in bondage to fear.
Let no man unsettle you with “false” prophecies of your foundation being faulty as a believer in Christ to which you are required to make one sacrifice or the other. Jesus is our ever faultless foundation.

When next they come with those terrifying messages to milk you dry or subject you to unnecessary religious exercises, stand your ground, beat up your chest and say “Jesus is my ever faultless foundation. In Him I have my roots. No shaking!”
I hope this blesses you.
Glory to God!

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/02/jesus-our-ever-faultless-foundation_23.html?m=1

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by felaismyhero(m): 10:17am On Sep 08
LegalOpinion:


They may well be extremely ignorant or simply a product of age long doctrine and everybody following the same order and belief system.

Have you noticed that these "faulty foundation rhetoric" is only preached and prophesied to poor people only?

Does it mean the likes of Elumelu, Dangote, Otedola, Adenuga etc didn't come from same foundation as their kins?
you guys who believe in faulty foundation nonsense need to come and answer this reasonable question! well as karl marx said 'religion is the opium of the (i'll add poor)masses'

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by PrecisionFx(m): 10:20am On Sep 08
unstoppable51:
From Feedmejesus.com

Growing up as a young Christian, one of the teachings I found predominant among Pentecostals in the part of Nigeria where I grew up was the subject of “Foundation.”

Foundation here is always used to refer a person’s roots. Where he came from.

It was taught with different terminologies like “breaking free from foundational problems,” “how to defeat and destroy your faulty foundation,” “your foundation, your limitation” and much more.

We were taught “foundational problems” are always very difficult to tackle so to break free from them, you are always required to pray VERY hard, sow OUTRAGEOUS seeds (money of course) and embark on LONG hours of fasting.

If those three methods fail to work, then you will need to get “sand” or any other material from your father’s compound in the village and add a very powerful special sacrifice (oh yes I mean money) to it. By all means, the limitation must be broken!

A popular verse of scripture from where this doctrine of foundation was deduced from and wildly propagated among churches in Nigeria and beyond is Psalm 11:3 .

But what is this verse really about? What is it saying? Let’s see it together from the Bible.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalm 11:3 KJV
Was David the author of this verse talking about foundation as in roots of the righteous? What was he trying to say here?

Now if you just read that verse from the King James Translation of the Bible alone, you’d erroneously assume that’s what he’s talking about. But the truth is, what he is talking about in that verse is far from what we have made of it today.

To understand the simple message he was trying to pass across there, we’ll have to read the previous and succeeding verses using a different translation for clarity.

“I trust in the LORD for protection. So why do you say to me, “Fly like a bird to the mountains for safety!
The wicked are stringing their bows and arrows on the bowstrings. They shoot from the shadows at those whose hearts are right.

The foundation of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do?”

But the LORD is in his holy Temple; the LORD still rules from heaven. He watches everyone closely, examining every person on the earth.

The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence.
He will rain down blazing coals and burning sulphur on the wicked, punishing them with scorching winds.

For the righteous LORD loves justice. The virtuous will see his face.” Psalm 11:1-7 NLT
The Message translation is another translation that breaks this chapter down for easy understanding.

From the entire chapter, you can see clearly that the “foundation” David was talking about in that verse was simply Peace and order being destroyed in the land as of the time he wrote that Psalm.

That is, he was talking about how crime and violence now reigns in Israel and how the good people in that land lack the power or ability (physically) to combat it.
He then went ahead to express his trust and confidence in God’s protection over him and the righteous people in the face of the ongoing violence in the country.

It has nothing to do with the false teaching of foundation (roots) that is currrently being used to deprive people of their hard earned resources in Nigeria and Africa today. You’ve got to open your eyes to this.

Talking about the Christian and his true foundation, you’ve got to understand that the Christian is a product of Christ’s resurrection. He has his roots in Jesus and since he originated from Him, He (Jesus) is his foundation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11 expressly called Him our foundation although he called Him that in talking about the Christian faith and teachings.

(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
He is the base, the foundation from which we have our beliefs and teachings. But even more, He is where we have our lives, our roots and origin.

(Act 17:28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
The believer, created anew, is the offspring of God in Christ.

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And since Christ rose from death completely perfect without any iota of sin, we can trust in Him completely knowing that our foundation as new creations is forever faultless .

This is the truth of the scriptures. Let no man put you again in bondage to fear.
Let no man unsettle you with “false” prophecies of your foundation being faulty as a believer in Christ to which you are required to make one sacrifice or the other. Jesus is our ever faultless foundation.

When next they come with those terrifying messages to milk you dry or subject you to unnecessary religious exercises, stand your ground, beat up your chest and say “Jesus is my ever faultless foundation. In Him I have my roots. No shaking!”
I hope this blesses you.
Glory to God!

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/02/jesus-our-ever-faultless-foundation_23.html?m=1

Those foundational and sins of the forefathers are gibberish nonsense.






Meanwhile all religions are man-made

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by CaveAdullam: 11:09am On Sep 08
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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by MuttleyLaff: 11:12am On Sep 08
CaveAdullam:
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Who are you kissing with that X
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by CaveAdullam: 11:16am On Sep 08
MuttleyLaff:
Who are you kissing with that X
Looooooooool. You will know very soon classic specimen of a human being.

How are you sir?
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by MuttleyLaff: 11:21am On Sep 08
CaveAdullam:
Looooooooool. You will know very soon classic specimen of a human being.
Ooooookaaaay ooo, we shall wait and see then

CaveAdullam:
How are you sir?
We are well, my dear sir. So is it true that you recently got to know about "The Midas Touch: A Balanced Approach to Biblical Prosperity" book by Kenneth E. Hagin, hmm?
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Arthurhills: 11:25am On Sep 08
[quote author=LegalOpinion post=82028195]

They may well be extremely ignorant or simply a product of age long doctrine and everybody following the same order and belief system.

Have you noticed that these "faulty foundation rhetoric" is only preached and prophesied to poor people only?

Does it mean the likes of Elumelu, Dangote, Otedola, Adenuga etc didn't come from same foundation as their kins? [/do you know where this people are registered spiritually? Do not see spiritualilty as physical riches.
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Siralgebra04(m): 11:29am On Sep 08
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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Arthurhills: 11:30am On Sep 08
unstoppable51:
From Feedmejesus.com foundations will not stop you from making money but rather it will stop you from fulfilling God's purpose on planet earth, foundations will take you away from serving God in truth and in spirit but rather stand as a barrier to block you having the knowledge of who you are.

Growing up as a young Christian, one of the teachings I found predominant among Pentecostals in the part of Nigeria where I grew up was the subject of “Foundation.”

Foundation here is always used to refer a person’s roots. Where he came from.

It was taught with different terminologies like “breaking free from foundational problems,” “how to defeat and destroy your faulty foundation,” “your foundation, your limitation” and much more.

We were taught “foundational problems” are always very difficult to tackle so to break free from them, you are always required to pray VERY hard, sow OUTRAGEOUS seeds (money of course) and embark on LONG hours of fasting.

If those three methods fail to work, then you will need to get “sand” or any other material from your father’s compound in the village and add a very powerful special sacrifice (oh yes I mean money) to it. By all means, the limitation must be broken!

A popular verse of scripture from where this doctrine of foundation was deduced from and wildly propagated among churches in Nigeria and beyond is Psalm 11:3 .

But what is this verse really about? What is it saying? Let’s see it together from the Bible.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalm 11:3 KJV
Was David the author of this verse talking about foundation as in roots of the righteous? What was he trying to say here?

Now if you just read that verse from the King James Translation of the Bible alone, you’d erroneously assume that’s what he’s talking about. But the truth is, what he is talking about in that verse is far from what we have made of it today.

To understand the simple message he was trying to pass across there, we’ll have to read the previous and succeeding verses using a different translation for clarity.

“I trust in the LORD for protection. So why do you say to me, “Fly like a bird to the mountains for safety!
The wicked are stringing their bows and arrows on the bowstrings. They shoot from the shadows at those whose hearts are right.

The foundation of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do?”

But the LORD is in his holy Temple; the LORD still rules from heaven. He watches everyone closely, examining every person on the earth.

The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence.
He will rain down blazing coals and burning sulphur on the wicked, punishing them with scorching winds.

For the righteous LORD loves justice. The virtuous will see his face.” Psalm 11:1-7 NLT
The Message translation is another translation that breaks this chapter down for easy understanding.

From the entire chapter, you can see clearly that the “foundation” David was talking about in that verse was simply Peace and order being destroyed in the land as of the time he wrote that Psalm.

That is, he was talking about how crime and violence now reigns in Israel and how the good people in that land lack the power or ability (physically) to combat it.
He then went ahead to express his trust and confidence in God’s protection over him and the righteous people in the face of the ongoing violence in the country.

It has nothing to do with the false teaching of foundation (roots) that is currrently being used to deprive people of their hard earned resources in Nigeria and Africa today. You’ve got to open your eyes to this.

Talking about the Christian and his true foundation, you’ve got to understand that the Christian is a product of Christ’s resurrection. He has his roots in Jesus and since he originated from Him, He (Jesus) is his foundation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11 expressly called Him our foundation although he called Him that in talking about the Christian faith and teachings.

(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
He is the base, the foundation from which we have our beliefs and teachings. But even more, He is where we have our lives, our roots and origin.

(Act 17:28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
The believer, created anew, is the offspring of God in Christ.

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And since Christ rose from death completely perfect without any iota of sin, we can trust in Him completely knowing that our foundation as new creations is forever faultless .

This is the truth of the scriptures. Let no man put you again in bondage to fear.
Let no man unsettle you with “false” prophecies of your foundation being faulty as a believer in Christ to which you are required to make one sacrifice or the other. Jesus is our ever faultless foundation.

When next they come with those terrifying messages to milk you dry or subject you to unnecessary religious exercises, stand your ground, beat up your chest and say “Jesus is my ever faultless foundation. In Him I have my roots. No shaking!”
I hope this blesses you.
Glory to God!

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/02/jesus-our-ever-faultless-foundation_23.html?m=1
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Arthurhills: 11:31am On Sep 08
PrecisionFx:
you think so?

Those foundational and sins of the forefathers are gibberish nonsense.






Meanwhile all religions are man-made
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by CaveAdullam: 11:35am On Sep 08
MuttleyLaff:
Ooooookaaaay ooo, we shall wait and see then
Lol.

MuttleyLaff:
We are well, my dear sir. So is it true that you recently got to know about "The Midas Touch: A Balanced Approach to Biblical Prosperity" book by Kenneth E. Hagin, hmm?
Funny enough that book has spent more than a year on my book shelf, I have read only few chapters but was unable to grab the main point. I will find a comfortable time to read it once more for proper understanding.

Thanks.
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by MuttleyLaff: 11:50am On Sep 08
CaveAdullam:
Lol.

Funny enough that book has spent more than a year on my book shelf, I have read only few chapters but was unable to grab the main point. I will find a comfortable time to read it once more for proper understanding.

Thanks.
Do people still have bookshelves in this day and age, hmm? Got rid of my hardcopy library for soft copies, decluttering after adopting the minimalist style
I am interested to know what your objective take of the book is after you've finished back to back reading it
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by specter(m): 12:16pm On Sep 08
LegalOpinion:


They may well be extremely ignorant or simply a product of age long doctrine and everybody following the same order and belief system.

Have you noticed that these "faulty foundation rhetoric" is only preached and prophesied to poor people only?

Does it mean the likes of Elumelu, Dangote, Otedola, Adenuga etc didn't come from same foundation as their kins?

Before nkor. There was a generational plague that plagued the estate of the biblical Abraham, na Joseph come break am.

But that was before God changed his mind and proclaimed he will no longer visit the sins of the father on their sons.

And this was what Jesus built upon. The sins of blood guityness suffered or commited by David was never visited on Solomon.

Rather, David paid the price by losing the first fruit of the Union.
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Paulo3ree(m): 12:16pm On Sep 08
felaismyhero:
you guys who believe in faulty foundation nonsense need to come and answer this reasonable question! well as karl marx said 'religion is the opium of the (i'll add poor)masses'

Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by CaveAdullam: 12:23pm On Sep 08
MuttleyLaff:
Do people still have bookshelves in this day and age, hmm? Got rid of my hardcopy library for soft copies, decluttering after adopting the minimalist style
Lol.

Once upon a time, I was not interested in soft copies of books because I love marking my books. I felt soft copies will not be convenient for me until I gave a try and that try was a good one. Since when the soft copy library has taken over the hard copy, I now enjoy reading and reading. Even most books which are not available in the hard copy in bookshops around are substituted by the soft copies. Lets I forget soft copies saves cost. Lol
MuttleyLaff:
I am interested to know what your objective take of the book is after you've finished back to back reading it
Ehm, I will since you are very interested about my particular moral lessons but right now I'm majorly on Jessie Penn Lewis books but will take a short break so that I can read the much talked about books "The Richest Man In Babylon/The subtle art of not giving a f**k or both. When I'm done with them I will settle down for the Midas Touch.

Thanks.
Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by Akolawole(m): 12:47pm On Sep 08
ejifranks:
Op I have seen family liberations against generational foundation ills performed by catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals, evangelists, charismatic, and white garments sects alike. What I don't understand is if all this denominations and their shepherds do not know or choose to ignore your viewpoint on this matter.

I spent over 5 hours of my time explaining a similar thing yesterday. Leaders of these churches have make their mind to go to HELL but want to take ignorant people with them.

Just this week, Benny Hinn's apology go viral. Millions of people were misled by him which gave birth to vagabonds in Church.

This Overseers use such teaching to exploit people. The Bible says '' my people were destroyed for lack of knowledge ''

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Re: The Myths And Truths About The Believer & Foundational Problems by paito: 1:06pm On Sep 08
unstoppable51:
From Feedmejesus.com

Growing up as a young Christian, one of the teachings I found predominant among Pentecostals in the part of Nigeria where I grew up was the subject of “Foundation.”

Foundation here is always used to refer a person’s roots. Where he came from.

It was taught with different terminologies like “breaking free from foundational problems,” “how to defeat and destroy your faulty foundation,” “your foundation, your limitation” and much more.

We were taught “foundational problems” are always very difficult to tackle so to break free from them, you are always required to pray VERY hard, sow OUTRAGEOUS seeds (money of course) and embark on LONG hours of fasting.

If those three methods fail to work, then you will need to get “sand” or any other material from your father’s compound in the village and add a very powerful special sacrifice (oh yes I mean money) to it. By all means, the limitation must be broken!

A popular verse of scripture from where this doctrine of foundation was deduced from and wildly propagated among churches in Nigeria and beyond is Psalm 11:3 .

But what is this verse really about? What is it saying? Let’s see it together from the Bible.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalm 11:3 KJV
Was David the author of this verse talking about foundation as in roots of the righteous? What was he trying to say here?

Now if you just read that verse from the King James Translation of the Bible alone, you’d erroneously assume that’s what he’s talking about. But the truth is, what he is talking about in that verse is far from what we have made of it today.

To understand the simple message he was trying to pass across there, we’ll have to read the previous and succeeding verses using a different translation for clarity.

“I trust in the LORD for protection. So why do you say to me, “Fly like a bird to the mountains for safety!
The wicked are stringing their bows and arrows on the bowstrings. They shoot from the shadows at those whose hearts are right.

The foundation of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do?”

But the LORD is in his holy Temple; the LORD still rules from heaven. He watches everyone closely, examining every person on the earth.

The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence.
He will rain down blazing coals and burning sulphur on the wicked, punishing them with scorching winds.

For the righteous LORD loves justice. The virtuous will see his face.” Psalm 11:1-7 NLT
The Message translation is another translation that breaks this chapter down for easy understanding.

From the entire chapter, you can see clearly that the “foundation” David was talking about in that verse was simply Peace and order being destroyed in the land as of the time he wrote that Psalm.

That is, he was talking about how crime and violence now reigns in Israel and how the good people in that land lack the power or ability (physically) to combat it.
He then went ahead to express his trust and confidence in God’s protection over him and the righteous people in the face of the ongoing violence in the country.

It has nothing to do with the false teaching of foundation (roots) that is currrently being used to deprive people of their hard earned resources in Nigeria and Africa today. You’ve got to open your eyes to this.

Talking about the Christian and his true foundation, you’ve got to understand that the Christian is a product of Christ’s resurrection. He has his roots in Jesus and since he originated from Him, He (Jesus) is his foundation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11 expressly called Him our foundation although he called Him that in talking about the Christian faith and teachings.

(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
He is the base, the foundation from which we have our beliefs and teachings. But even more, He is where we have our lives, our roots and origin.

(Act 17:28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
The believer, created anew, is the offspring of God in Christ.

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And since Christ rose from death completely perfect without any iota of sin, we can trust in Him completely knowing that our foundation as new creations is forever faultless .

This is the truth of the scriptures. Let no man put you again in bondage to fear.
Let no man unsettle you with “false” prophecies of your foundation being faulty as a believer in Christ to which you are required to make one sacrifice or the other. Jesus is our ever faultless foundation.

When next they come with those terrifying messages to milk you dry or subject you to unnecessary religious exercises, stand your ground, beat up your chest and say “Jesus is my ever faultless foundation. In Him I have my roots. No shaking!”
I hope this blesses you.
Glory to God!

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/02/jesus-our-ever-faultless-foundation_23.html?m=1
Op do not misled people but try to do research before you conclude.
What makes Moses, Samson,Gideon to fall even Abraham. What you did not know is what is disturbing you

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