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Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 11:35pm On Sep 13, 2019
Often I have hear that May he or Her gentle soul Rest In Peace,its a norm once an individual died and is buried these words will be uttered. even if the person is of good or bad behavior and character,I believe that in youth we learn and in age we understand so for me when the word RIP is mentioned I see it as a wish for the departed to rest in peace until the day of judgment which will determine if the departed will make heaven or hell.
I want us to discuss a situation whereby an individual died and some people will say that because of one reason or d other he or she is not resting in peace,I have seen cases where someone died prematurely maybe because he or she was poisoned or was involved a road accident or was brutally killed and the family will decide to do some ritual before laying the dead to rest claiming that the dead will only rest if his or her death is avenged. some will even go extra mile to add a matches and broom to the coffin before burying the dead asking him or her to avenge its death. I want to understand more about this RIP stuff because I have been in thoughts of late and I need to know,matured and learned minds pls help and educate me more
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by greatnaija01: 11:55pm On Sep 13, 2019
see, if it is RIP you are concerned about then you must really guard your mind and direct it to better and more productive things.

THERE ARE MYSTERIES IN THIS WORLD.... no one can explain it fully well to you.

Just stick to the word of God and ensure at the end of your own life you have PEACE and FIND PEACE on the other side.


To want to understand everything is MADNESS and wantonness ITS NOT GOING TO BE WORTH IT.

LET IT BE.


FOCUS on things that you can SOLVE... or you can find the solutions to and make life easier for everyone.


the only solution to RIP is if you can bring the person back to life by some high power.... and you CANT at least for now.


so quit minding other people's business


Ndukings92:
Often I have hear that May he or Her gentle soul Rest In Peace,its a norm once an individual died and is buried these words will be uttered. even if the person is of good or bad behavior and character,I believe that in youth we learn and in age we understand so for me when the word RIP is mentioned I see it as a wish for the departed to rest in peace until the day of judgment which will determine if the departed will make heaven or hell.
I want us to discuss a situation whereby an individual died and some people will say that because of one reason or d other he or she is not resting in peace,I have seen cases where someone died prematurely maybe because he or she was poisoned or was involved a road accident or was brutally killed and the family will decide to do some ritual before laying the dead to rest claiming that the dead will only rest if his or her death is avenged. some will even go extra mile to add a matches and broom to the coffin before burying the dead asking him or her to avenge its death. I want to understand more about this RIP stuff because I have been in thoughts of late and I need to know,matured and learned minds pls help and educate me more
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 12:23am On Sep 14, 2019
greatnaija01:
see, if it is RIP you are concerned about then you must really guard your mind and direct it to better and more productive things.

THERE ARE MYSTERIES IN THIS WORLD.... no one can explain it fully well to you.

Just stick to the word of God and ensure at the end of your own life you have PEACE and FIND PEACE on the other side.


To want to understand everything is MADNESS and wantonness ITS NOT GOING TO BE WORTH IT.

LET IT BE.


FOCUS on things that you can SOLVE... or you can find the solutions to and make life easier for everyone.


the only solution to RIP is if you can bring the person back to life by some high power.... and you CANT at least for now.


so quit minding other people's business


when u wrote minding other peoples business, enlighten me on what u are referring to pls.and again u wrote of wanting to understand everything, pls I don't want to understand everything but this that I have just mentioned.

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Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 12:26am On Sep 14, 2019
And please its important to me so don't hinder others from giving me answers
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by greatnaija01: 4:13am On Sep 14, 2019
Oh brother, what i meant was.... IF OTHERS WONT BE RESTING IN PEACE, its not your business. your own business is that you should be in peace with yourself and your maker.

NOT EVERY KNOWLEDGE IS PROFITABLE.

But the one that concerns you is what you should focus on.

Ndukings92:
when u wrote minding other peoples business, enlighten me on what u are referring to pls.and again u wrote of wanting to understand everything, pls I don't want to understand everything but this that I have just mentioned.
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 7:13am On Sep 14, 2019
This is a personal issue bro,some things are not to be publicize because its hard and delicate. I have lived with this for years and its no longer what I can ignore
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by orisa37: 8:08am On Sep 14, 2019
Last night in my Dream, I saw Ahmadu Bello complaining before a Receptionist that he didn't support Buhari doing Ruga with Foreign Fulani Herdsmen.

I saw Azikwe complaining that he never supported Biafra, Ojukwu and Kanu.

I saw Awolowo telling Osinbajo that he didn't give his Daughter to him to bleep for nothing.

Are these three Legends resting in Peace?
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 9:13am On Sep 14, 2019
orisa37:
Last night in my Dream, I saw Ahmadu Bello complaining before a Receptionist that he didn't support Buhari doing Ruga with Foreign Fulani Herdsmen.

I saw Azikwe complaining that he never supported Biafra, Ojukwu and Kanu.

I saw Awolowo telling Osinbajo that he didn't give his Daughter to him to bleep for nothing.

Are these three Legends resting in Peace?
Baba be serious,am not writing based on assumption sir.u just profiled and analyze their behavior based on d life they lived before death.that's not what I meant and am not discussing dreams
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by paxonel(m): 9:54am On Sep 14, 2019
Ndukings92:
Often I have hear that May he or Her gentle soul Rest In Peace,its a norm once an individual died and is buried these words will be uttered. even if the person is of good or bad behavior and character,I believe that in youth we learn and in age we understand so for me when the word RIP is mentioned I see it as a wish for the departed to rest in peace until the day of judgment which will determine if the departed will make heaven or hell.
I want us to discuss a situation whereby an individual died and some people will say that because of one reason or d other he or she is not resting in peace,I have seen cases where someone died prematurely maybe because he or she was poisoned or was involved a road accident or was brutally killed and the family will decide to do some ritual before laying the dead to rest claiming that the dead will only rest if his or her death is avenged. some will even go extra mile to add a matches and broom to the coffin before burying the dead asking him or her to avenge its death. I want to understand more about this RIP stuff because I have been in thoughts of late and I need to know,matured and learned minds pls help and educate me more
is there anything like "may your soul rest in peace in the bible?
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 2:09pm On Sep 14, 2019
paxonel:
is there anything like "may your soul rest in peace in the bible?
No but have u heard it before or not?
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by LordReed(m): 2:35pm On Sep 14, 2019
As far as I am concerned it's just a polite way of saying this person is gone and will never be seen again. Anybody telling you that they will not RIP because one thing or the other is just saying it because it gives them a perverse sort of comfort, that is the idea that the departed is suffering or is unsatisfied is just to make the fact that there is no universal justice palatable.
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by rosy1992(f): 3:16pm On Sep 14, 2019
You can't decipher spiritual things with the mental mind alone.

I remembered two incidents my dad and pastor told me that really made me conclude that mortal man is always limited to spiritual knowledge.

FIRST
The pastor said he attended a burial ceremony of an aged woman, while the deceased children were celebrating, he saw a brief revelation of the dead woman's ghost been bounds and was dragged my demonic angels. it was vividly clear that she was heading for hell, where there is unstoppable anguish.

SECOND
My dad told me there was a wicked man, who committed a lot of atrocities, shed innocent blood of both young and old. He was better described as a devil's incarnate. When he died, the ground kept on rejecting his corpse. The moment his corpse is lowered to the ground, it flies up immediately above the grave. His kins men tried several times with all sort of ritual, all to no avail . It was later concluded that they would leave his corpse above ground level to decompose.

FACT
Only those who do the will of God and accept Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour, will rest in peace in the bossom of the Lord.
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 4:39pm On Sep 14, 2019
rosy1992:
You can't decipher spiritual things with the mental mind alone.

I remembered two incidents my dad and pastor told me that really made me conclude that mortal man is always limited to spiritual knowledge.

FIRST
The pastor said he attended a burial ceremony of an aged woman, while the deceased children were celebrating, he saw a brief revelation of the dead woman's ghost been bounds and was dragged my demonic angels. it was vividly clear that she was heading for hell, where there is unstoppable anguish.

SECOND
My dad told me there was a wicked man, who committed a lot of atrocities, shed innocent blood of both young and old. He was better described as a devil's incarnate. When he died, the ground kept on rejecting his corpse. The moment his corpse is lowered to the ground, it flies up immediately above the grave. His kins men tried several times with all sort of ritual, all to no avail . It was later concluded that they would leave his corpse above ground level to decompose.

FACT
Only those who do the will of God and accept Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour, will rest in peace in the bossom of the Lord.
this is exactly the types of scenario am talking about,I have seen a case where a lady was killed and d eyes gauge out of its socket.d grandmum said that in her dreams she saw her granddaughter hovering around with agony and that it means that they have to find her eyes before burying her or her soul will not rest in Peace. so am asking if its possible,others are just writing gibberish as if I don't know what I want to understand.
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by paxonel(m): 7:27pm On Sep 14, 2019
Ndukings92:
No but have u heard it before or not?
it is commonly used during people's funeral. Perhaps, it means dead people are resting in peace from the stress of this life grin

There is nothing like a dead soul not being resting in peace until something else is achieved like avenging his death.

Once a person dies that's the end.
He feels nothing, He knows nothing anymore about who killed him or not
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by Ndukings92(m): 8:28pm On Sep 14, 2019
paxonel:
it is commonly used during people's funeral. Perhaps, it means dead people are resting in peace from the stress of this life grin

There is nothing like a dead soul not being resting in peace until something else is achieved like avenging his death.

Once a person dies that's the end.
He feels nothing, He knows nothing anymore about who killed him or not
thanks a lot,at least this is ur belief and I appreciate

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Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by ochibuogwu5: 11:07pm On Sep 14, 2019
There are realms outside of earth, heaven and hell were human souls can exist after death.
Sheol (Job 26:6)
Hades (Luke 16:23)
Sea (Revelation 20:13)
Hades and death (Revelation 20:14)
Paradise (Luke 23:43)
Bossom of Abraham (Luke 16:22)
Prison of the disobedient dead in Noah's days (! Peter 3:18-20)
They are all written in the Holy Bible.
Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away]. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth]. 13 And the *sea* gave up the dead who were in it, and *death* and *Hades* (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them; and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds. 14 Then *death and Hades [the realm of the dead]* were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God]. 15 And if [a]anyone’s name was not found [b]written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire."

Jesus went to this realm of the dead to preach the gospel to all who lived and died from Adam till his crucifixion *without hearing the gospel* thus 1 Peter 3:18-20 "For indeed Christ died for sins once for all, *the Just and Righteous for the unjust and unrighteous [the Innocent for the guilty] so that He might bring us to God*, having been put to death in the flesh, *but made alive in the Spirit; 19 in which He also went and preached to 'the spirits' now in prison*, 20 who once were *disobedient*, when the great patience of God was waiting in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons [Noah’s family], were brought safely through the water."

These people who did not hear the *gospel of salvation in Christ Jesus* and did not *use grace (grace which has been given to *all human being from creation/biological-birth* just like Adam and Eve had and used for communicating with God in Genesis 1&2 without disobedience to God before they stopped using it and listened to Satan in Genesis 3 then they disobeyed God)* will be in torment to receive *few strokes* because they *had grace from child-birth(this what Paul and John called conscience in Romans 2:15 & 1 John 3:20)* but did not have *the full grace(gospel of Jesus Christ)* which teaches them how to receive salvation, which is what our Master and Creator wants us to achieve on this earth and also the primary purpose of giving us *grace* however those who have *grace from biological birth* and *fullness of grace(heard about the gospel of Jesus Christ while living on this earth)* whether they are born into Christianity or any other religion will receive *uncountable strokes(eternal damnation)* if they insist on rejecting the gospel of Jesus Christ till their individual biological death
thus
"And that servant who *knew his master’s will(heard the gospel of Jesus Christ)*, and *yet did not get ready or act in accord with his will*, will be *beaten with many/uncountable lashes [of the whip](eternal damnation)*, 48 but *the one who did not know it and did things worthy of a beating*, will *receive only a few [lashes](torment of Hades)*. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more"

In the torment of Hades the *rich-man* who failed to *use grace* which makes human being to choose only doing good things like feeding the hungry, caring for the sick e.t.c without hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ in your entire human existence was found in Luke 16:23-26 and from there he saw Lazarus whom he neglected in the bosom of Abraham.
Even now many people are still *dieying without hearing the sound/unadulterated gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified* and they did *not use grace* hence at their biological death the same Jesus Christ who went to preach to the imprisoned spirits(1 Peter 3:18-20) also reaches out to them through His Life of the Gospel now at work inside those who are genuine Christians/Born-again/Believers/Disciples of Jesus Christ whether we know their names or not, whether they are our family members or not, whether they were buried officially or not because Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever hence he gives every human being equal-chance(grace and fullness of grace) in order to satisfy His Divine Justice. This is the *work* of Christ Jesus inside us now who is God and Spirit, making things happen in the heaven, on earth and under the earth at the same time without anybody's approval. These dead person will also make their choice to accept or reject the gospel as they hear it from the Lord's mouth just like the living.

Then those who *used grace* while they lived on earth *without hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ* are called *the just/righteous* according to 1 Peter 3:18-20 from the beginning of creation till the second coming of Jesus Christ. All of them still needs to hear the gospel and believe it before they will receive eternal-life/heaven because Jesus Christ is the *first fruit from the dead* (1 Cor.15:18-20) and the *only way to the Father*(John 14:6) hence we saw Elijah who was taken up by the chariots of fire into heaven(2 kings 2:11) and Moses who was buried by God on mount Nebo(Deut.34:1-8 ) encouraging Jesus Christ at the transfiguration to pay the *ultimate price of His Life as a ransom for all human being("He made peace between God and human-nature by the blood of His cross" Col.1:20) that will open the door for them to enter *the main Heaven* where the Father dwells because until that time *all of them were still in waiting* for Jesus Christ alone came from Heaven because He is God where His Divine-nature as Father dwells and He alone is the *door of the sheep/the only way to the Father* (John 10:7, John 14:6, Hebrews 10:19-20) hence immediately he died on the cross and rose from the dead, these just and righteous men arose from there graves, went into the Holy city and appeared unto many people (Matt.27:52-53).

These are the category of people that can be forgiven their sin and receive eternal-life if they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ from the realm of the dead as Jesus declared in Matthew 12:31-32 as sin not against the Holy Spirit which can be forgiven in the world to come(in the realm/land of the dead and at the white throne judgment for those who rejected the gospel and those who did not hear the gospel according to Revelation 20:11-15). It does not have anything to do with those who heard the gospel and were still committing *small-sin and died committing small-sin* because those who have heard the gospel and believed the gospel cannot manifest sin in the secret of their thoughts/imagination, privacy of their lifestyle and their public engagements since *their flesh is dead and Jesus Christ is the person living through their mortal-bodies*. There is nothing like small sin or big sin because any type/style/kind is produced by *the same person (flesh not our skin rather our human-will that can choose good or evil)*. This flesh is not tamed/controlled/discipled rather *crucified/put to death only by Jesus Christ* together with His flesh crucified *once and forever* on Calvary then in-exchange/replacement of our dead/crucified flesh, Jesus Christ pours Himself (God and Man) into our mortal-body then we experience all these *instantly* at the point of sincere decision to be born-again by the Spirit of Jesus Christ Crucified thus the same body that was controlled by the flesh, enticed and aroused by sin will now walk through the same temptations, trials and tribulations without committing sin or denying God because it is Christ Jesus that now lives through His grace and faith in that same mortal-body consistently without sin and submission to trials, testing and temptations from one degree of glory to a higher degree of glory; this is *the born-again-reality* for any human being who hears the gospel and is *willingly sincere to receive the New Life of Christ Jesus Crucified*.

1 John 5:16-17 was not talking about small sin and big sin rather any type/style/kind of sin that be committed by any human being while still alive on this earth thus "if any man *see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death (any sin which is not continued until biological death), he shall ask(talk to him/her about it by presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified which is the only remedy for sin/flesh) and he shall give him life(eternal-life which is produced by *the gospel of Jesus Christ alone* inside any person who genuinely believes) for them that sin *not unto death*. There is *a sin unto death*: I do not say that *he(the same person who can offer the gospel remedy to the person who commits a sin not unto death is not advised/encouraged to pray for the person who commits a sin until his/her biological death)* shall pray for it, all *unrighteousness is sin*: and there is a sin not unto death" (1 John 5:16-17 KJV), according to some doctrines were this scriptural passage was *wrongly translated*, it states that there is small-sin and big-sin however these big sins can be forgiven if the person sincerely repents from them however this scriptural passage advised that the same person who could help a brother found committing sin not unto death *should not pray* for the person found committing a sin *unto death* and to confirm this verse-18 declared "we know that whosoever is born of God *sinneth not*; but he that is *begotten(born) of God keepeth himself* and that wicked one toucheth him not" hence let us learn the truth that there is nothing like small sin or big sin for a Christian/Born-again/Believer/Genuine disciple of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor.3:11-15 is not making reference to those who after believing the gospel of Jesus Christ, committed small-sin or after being forgiven by Jesus Christ will still do something to *satisfy God for the effects of sin* already washed and forgiven by the *only atoning-blood* of Christ Jesus Crucified rather from verse-1 we can see Paul addressing a wrong-impression among those who are *supposed to be genuine Christians/Born-again/Believers/Disciples of Jesus Christ* arguing about who belongs to Apollos or Paul were each of them is being regarded as a superior teacher of the gospel, Paul told them that neither himself nor Apollos is *the foundation of Christianity rather Christ Jesus Crucified* but *those who believed the gospel through either of them is their 'works in Christ Jesus' even as they 'co-labour' with God in his household (the body of Christ/Believers)*, Paul also confirms that whether he planted the gospel in their lives and Apollos watered/nurtured them through discipleship what matters is that God(Christ Jesus) is the *only being* that makes their works(believers) to grow, he went further to state that each Disciples/Gospel-teacher's works(those who believed through their teachings) will be tasted through fire(temptations, trials, tribulations, testing) and if they are *genuine disciples/Christians/born-again/believers* they will not fall into any sin or reject/deny Jesus Christ as Lord till eternity hence their teacher will *receive a reward for allowing the life of Christ Jesus Crucified inside him/her to be transferred unto other human being* while those who did not receive the gospel and were pretending to belong to the brethren will pass through the same fire(trials, temptations, testing,tribulations) but will *not persevere* because of *their insincerity* however *their teacher will be saved because he was sincere in allowing the genuine gospel life of Jesus Christ to be transferred unto those they encountered but as someone who passed through fire(the pains and agony of a teacher/disciple who taught those brethren surrounding him/her consistently believing they have sincerely received the gospel just like Judas among the 12-disciples as well as the confusions and set-backs such a person will be igniting amongst those who want to be sincere in receiving the gospel just like Hymenaus and Alexander in 1 Timothy 1:20).

we learnt the wrong translations and interpretation of this scripture before and were zealously teaching the wrong things but now the Holy Spirit has shown us mercy by revealing his sound teaching let us not fail to use this grace and adjust adequately now.

Hades and death bring-out all the human being waiting inside it, present them for judgment before the throne then Hades and death will be cast into the lake of fire(the second death) hence it is a *temporal-state* where those human souls which did not hear the gospel could stay, hear the gospel from Jesus Christ like he did for those persons in 1 Peter 3:18-20 or wait till the white throne judgment according to Revelation 20:11-15.

Sin against the Holy Spirit is *hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ while living on this earth and rejecting it till biological death* because *the gospel is the 'only route/means' God decided to use to give full salvation to every human being*(Romans 1:16, John 14:6) hence if you reject the gospel of grace that *can save you while living on earth till your biological death*, you have condemned yourself to eternal death and no prayer not even Jesus Christ can save you
Thus
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that *whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life*.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that *believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already*, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
(John 3:16-18 kjv)
Re: Lets Discuss About The Departed Souls by LordReed(m): 11:24am On Sep 15, 2019
Ndukings92:
this is exactly the types of scenario am talking about,I have seen a case where a lady was killed and d eyes gauge out of its socket.d grandmum said that in her dreams she saw her granddaughter hovering around with agony and that it means that they have to find her eyes before burying her or her soul will not rest in Peace. so am asking if its possible,others are just writing gibberish as if I don't know what I want to understand.

It's not the granddaughter that needs to rest but the grandmother. The dead have no worries, only the living do.

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