donstan18:
Is your Church suppose to be blamed for your inability to change to a better person by giving your life to Christ after many attempts?





Mynd44 Lalasticlala OAM4J

netzro:


A wise man once said "If church no change you, change church"

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

b3llo:
I think a person should be a reflection of his church. One will be conformed and evolved to what he has being learning. Sir, without fear of any contradiction the answer is "YES"

b3llo:
I think a person should be a reflection of his church. One will be conformed and evolved to what he has being learning. Sir, without fear of any contradiction the answer is "YES"

donstan18:
Is your Church suppose to be blamed for your inability to change to a better person by giving your life to Christ after many attempts?





Mynd44 Lalasticlala OAM4J

Acidosis:


You see ^ ^ Christ is the head of the Church, so blaming the Church is like blaming the one person who already laid His life and gave up everything for our redemption. We cannot blame a Church of Christ where Jesus Christ is the head.

The problem we have today is that we have too many unconverted souls in the Church, thanks to leaders who put too much emphasis on headcount.

The Church is not meant for sinners. Christians are supposed to go out there, preach to sinners, and bring converted souls into the body of Christ for teaching, mentorship and growth.

Under the old testament, the man described in your post would have died in the temple a long time ago.

donstan18:
Is your Church suppose to be blamed for your inability to change to a better person by giving your life to Christ after many attempts?

CAPSLOCKED:
CHRIST SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR YOUR INABILITY TO FOLLOW HIM, AND I BACK UP THIS STATEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING POINTS OF MINE.

1. CHRIST (SAME AS GOD, RIGHT?) BEING ALL-KNOWING KNEW THE HISTORY AND LIFE OF AN UNBELIEVER THAT WILL EXIST IN 2019 RIGHT FROM THE TIME BEFORE HE CREATED ADAM.

2. SO CHRIST CREATES THE WORLD, EXPECTS PEOPLE TO FOLLOW HIM, BUT GOES INTO HIDING FOR CENTURIES...
LEAVING US WITH DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A "WORD OF GOD" CENTERED AROUND MURDER, RAPE, MASS GENOCIDE, WARS, MISOGYNY, SLAVERY, FLYING AND TALKING ANIMALS, AND TONS OF UNBELIEVABLE SUPERSTITIOUS TALES.

NOW HE FAILS TO SHOW UP TO LEAD AND MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE. INSTEAD WE'RE LEFT WITH CONFLICTING DENOMINATIONS OF CHRISTIANITY BASED ON HIS CONFLICTING HOLY BOOK, CONFLICTING RELIGIONS, AND FRAUDSTERS CLAIMING TO BE HIS MESSENGERS SINCE HE (CHRIST) IS DUMB AND CANNOT SPEAK NOR ACT FOR HIMSELF. THESE FRAUDSTERS, MANY OF THEM APPEAR IN SHINY SUITS EVERY SUNDAY TO MISLEAD THE MASSES THE MORE, AND PERFORM TRICKS AND FAKE MIRACLES... AND END UP RAKING IN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE'S MONEY.

3. HE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED THE WORLD AND ARRANGED MATTERS IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEOPLE WILL GENERALLY FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF THE FAMILY THEY'RE BORN INTO.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES AND COUNTRIES THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT CHRIST. EVEN THOUGH THEY HEAR ABOUT HIM ONCE IN A WHILE, IT SOUNDS TO THEM THE WAY OSCAR OASIS OR WINNIE THE POOH SOUNDS TO YOU. THEY JUST WAVE HIM ASIDE.

AND ACCORDING TO YOU CHRISTIANS (AND MUSLIMS) AND YOUR PREACHERS, NON-CHRISTIANS (AND NON-MUSLIMS) ARE LIABLE TO GO TO HELL. THIS MAKES BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND FAMILIES EXISTING IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES WHERE CHRISTIANITY (AND ISLAM) IS A MOVIE TITLE TO THEM CANDIDATES OF ETERNAL TORTURE AND SORROW IN YOUR LOVING GOD'S HELL FIRE.

THESE FAMILIES KEEP PRODUCING BABIES, AND THESE BABIES TAKE UP THEIR FAMILY'S DEFAULT RELIGION. CHRIST BEING THE GIVER OF CHILDREN KEEPS SUPPLYING KIDS TO THOSE NON-CHRISTIAN FAMILIES AND COUNTRIES.. WHICH MEANS HE KEEPS RECRUITING MORE CANDIDATES FOR HELL. I DON'T KNOW. HE NEVER SHOWS UP. AND IF IT'S A VIOLENT COUNTRY HE NEVER SENDS ANY OF HIS FRAUDSTERS IN SHINY SUIT OVER THERE TO SPREAD THE WORD. SO THEY KEEP EXISTING AND EXPANDING WITHOUT CHRIST BECAUSE HIS DIVINELY PROTECTED MESSENGERS CANNOT GO THERE TO SPREAD THE WORD, AND CHRIST HIMSELF IS IN COMA. CANNOT WALK (OR FLY) NOR TALK, NOR ACT. CANNOT INFLUENCE ANYTHING AND ALL THE IDEAS WE HAVE ABOUT HIM ARE BEING CREATED BY MEN FOR SELFISH MANIPULATIVE PURPOSES.

4. ON MY PART AS A FORMER CHRISTIAN, THE WORD OF CHRIST (THE BIBLE) DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GENUINE MANUAL FROM THE PERFECT GOD I WAS TAUGHT ABOUT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL.
HIS MESSENGERS IN SHINY SUIT ARE SIMILAR TO HIGHWAY ROBBERS WHO CARE ABOUT NOTHING ELSE BUT YOUR MONEY.
HIS PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL ABSENCE IN REAL SENSE IS A THING TO WORRY ABOUT AND I CAN'T PRETEND TO "FEEL HIM IN MY HEART WHEN I PRAY" LIKE OTHER CHRISTIANS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
THE EXISTENCE OF THOUSANDS OF RELIGIONS, AND THE FACT THAT CHILDREN GENERALLY FOLLOW THEIR PARENT'S RELIGION SHOWS THAT PEOPLE MAKE UP THESE SILLY RELIGIONS BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL GOOD. SO WHY SHOULD I WASTE MY LIFE TO LIVE AND DIE FOR MEN'S SPIRITUAL (IMAGINARY) INVENTIONS?



THE WORLD IS SUFFERING. GLOBAL POVERTY, DISEASES AND NATURAL DISASTERS.
TOO MANY RELIGIONS. TOO MANY IDEAS OF A CREATOR GOD.. ALL DEPENDING ON THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.
CHRIST IS REFUSING TO SHOW UP NO MATTER HOW ANYBODY PRAYS OR CALLS ON HIM.
WE CAN'T EVEN PRAY AWAY A DEADLY DISEASE, A RAPIST, A SERIAL KILLER.. OR A NATURAL DISASTER, CREATED BY THE LOVING CHRIST TO CAUSE PAIN AND DAMAGES ON EARTH.

IN MY BOOK, I HAVE NO REASON TO FOLLOW CHRIST, OR ANY RELIGION IN EXISTENCE. THE THREATS OF GOING TO HELL (WHEN I DIE) WON'T CHANGE MY MIND.

TO BE FOLLOWED, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO LEAD.
CHRIST IS NEVER THERE TO LEAD OR DO ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.

HE ALONE IS TO BE BLAMED FOR PEOPLE'S INABILITY TO FOLLOW HIM.

peteradoga3:
you are on point, everybody have his or her own view about religion, some are scarred of imaginary hell fire (lol) that's why they go to church and some are born into a Christianity family, but some christain will come and throw stone on you now, just wait and see!!!

donstan18:
Is your Church suppose to be blamed for your inability to change to a better person by giving your life to Christ after many attempts?

Acidosis:


You see ^ ^ Christ is the head of the Church, so blaming the Church is like blaming the one person who already laid His life and gave up everything for our redemption. We cannot blame a Church of Christ where Jesus Christ is the head.

The problem we have today is that we have too many unconverted souls in the Church, thanks to leaders who put too much emphasis on headcount.

The Church is not meant for sinners. Christians are supposed to go out there, preach to sinners, and bring converted souls into the body of Christ for teaching, mentorship and growth.

Under the old testament, the man described in your post would have died in the temple a long time ago.