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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 2:46pm On Nov 16
budaatum:
Honestly? I think you just post plenty word thinking it would beffudle the mind and one wouldn't note you are saying nonsense when the truth is you are saying nonsense to hide the truth from yourself!

How, mutt, does the above mean, "giving the Lord Almighty a choice"?

Note Ihe sliding away from his claim that God chooses between options given to God by apostles!

budaatum, for the love of God, please show me anywhere that I talked about "giving the Lord Almighty a choice?". It is a glaring fact, that ever since the very beginning, man has and always drop the ball, then after, relies and depends on God, to pick it and properly kick the ball about and kick about into goal.

I dislike when people try to hoodwink others by misrepresenting the content, I might have posted. Fyi, budaatum, don't unnecessarily get your knickers in a twist, because I didn't like you've alleged post many words. What I posted, were, an extensive two listed Bible verse references, with the aim of wanting others, to see the context leading and surrounding to how the disciple Matthias was selected. I didn't form an opinion, but left that for the readership to make whatever judgement call and their own opinion they think about the whole matter.

It is only a begrudging, biased, untruthful, dishonest and blind person, who will say I posted plenty words, when all I posted were three short paragraphs, of minimal short lines or sentences. Smh.

I am not interested nor contesting whether Matthias was approved or not by God, but wondered why a Holy Spirit prompt or assistance wasn't sought
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 2:50pm On Nov 16
Acts 1 v 23-25;

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 3:03pm On Nov 16
Empiree:
You have turned this to insult bcus you can't defend your position.
You're a drowning man, who will desperately cling onto anything in sight to save you from drowning. I knew you'll soon use the insult card, and was just wondering what is taking you so long to use it, and then POW, right on time, you came up with it. I have, from the word go, given a "no offense and/or insult intended". If I want to insult, I will and let you know I have, by telling you I have

Empiree:

I will call it a day with you.
I would love that. It will be good riddance to bad rubbish

Empiree:
The dude you cited only used one isolated verse to prove his point.
Who did I cite? You're confused as usual, lol.

Empiree:
My question still remain, if all christians read the same bible why do christians differ on who Jesus really is?. Why is the confusion amongst yourselves?. It is clear from the video i posted
I repeat my response to you. Are our fingers equal in length?. No, they arent and so that's the reality of life. Even our Muslim brothers have factions in Islam, because of difference in beliefs etcetera. Our muslim brothers are not immune from differing in what they believe in.

Empiree:
Is Jesus God or man or God and man at the same time?
Jesus is divine and human. Yes, Jesus is God and man, at the same time. For the work, God came down to earth to do in the person of Jesus, Jesus had to fundamentally be man, apart from being God.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by budaatum: 3:19pm On Nov 16
Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying that the 120 disciples did not give God two options to choose from?

[23]So they put forward two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was also called Justus), and Matthias. [24]And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen [25]to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."
Acts 1:23-25 NASB

Did the 120 not put forward two men and ask the Lord to show which of them He had chosen to replace Judas? What is that called exactly, if I am Apollo , wrong in saying that they gave the Lord two options to choose from?

How confused can you get?
You really are funny Ihe. How can 120 disciples give two options to God the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all options and the 120 disciples themselves?

I made my point and have no intention of going into long debate with you.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by budaatum: 3:21pm On Nov 16
MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, for the love of God, please show me anywhere that I talked about "giving the Lord Almighty a choice?".
That was the point in the post that you contended, mutt, perhaps next time read to understand first!

Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 3:33pm On Nov 16
budaatum:
That was the point in the post that you contended, mutt, perhaps next time read to understand first!
No, I guess you're now a clairvoyant. You know what isxin my mind, more than I do. You can read my mind sef. I only said a few words, how come your confusion, hmm? I think, you should self medicate and take your very own prescription, which is, to next time read to understand first.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by budaatum: 3:47pm On Nov 16
MuttleyLaff:
No, I guess you're now a clairvoyant. You know what isxin my mind, more than I do. You can read my mind sef. I only said a few words, how come your confusion, hmm? I think, you should self medicate and take your very own prescription, which is, to next time read to understand first.
I don't think one has to be a clairvoyant to read what is in your mind, mutt.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 3:59pm On Nov 16
budaatum:

I don't think one has to be a clairvoyant to read what is in your mind, mutt.
Good on ya, I guess it's happy days for you then. Bask in the glory of clairvoyance and enjoy the privilege of being a good ol' winch, lol

budaatum, carefully looking at the screenshot you pasted up there, do you now see how you took to understand my comments the wrong way, erhn? People, right from the beginning, have been giving God options, and then later expect God to pick up and fix the broken pieces. When serenity was shattered in the garden of Eden, guess who turned up to help out of the garden of Eden crisis, hmm? When Abraham went humping his wife's maid, guess who came to the aid of an estranged Hagar and her son Ishmael, hmm?

As a matter of fact, I dont see anything untoward in the wondering thought and curiosity question(s) raised by the author. I think its a valid observation made by the author and was asking reasonable questions
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by budaatum: 4:36pm On Nov 16
Ihedinobi3:
To Whom It May Concern.

3. The Lord Jesus called Paul in the same way that He called the other Apostles.
This is unblibical. Jesus was in body and in Spirit when he appointed the Apostles, while Paul was appointed by the Spirit of Christ.

Ihedinobi3:

The fact that something is not stated explicitly in the Bible does not mean that it is not in the Bible. It does put plenty in the realm of interpretation, and it is true that an interpretation, such as the one I have just made, can be wrong, but the fact that it is an interpretation does not make it false.
Sounds like adding to the Bible to me, as you constantly accuse me of doing, but how can an interpretation that is wrong be true Ihe?

Ihedinobi3:

In fact, apart from some basic truths in the Bible, the vast majority of biblical teachings are only accessible through interpretation.
Seriously? "The vast majority of biblical teachings are not accessible through the Word of God itself, Ihe, but through what you interpret it to be?

Ihedinobi3:

This is why the Lord gave pastor-teachers to the Church. They are the only ones who possess the spiritual ability to see the meaning of the text and make them apparent to anyone who is willing to listen to them. And they can only do so after having attained spiritual maturity themselves and done some work of preparation to teach.
Oh. Only some people can use their and training and preparation to understand enough to interpret Biblical teachings? I agree. It's hard work, afterall. Not for lazy fuqs.

Ihedinobi3:
As I always say, no one is required to believe or agree with me. This is only to attempt to clarify that this is something that I have studied and explored from all the angles that it has been so far addressed and challenged in this thread, and even beyond the questions and speculations so far advanced. It should be obvious from some things that I have said that this is true.
Of course Ihe, you have worked harder than everyone else and we are "not one of you"!

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by Empiree: 6:45pm On Nov 16
MuttleyLaff:
I Even our Muslim brothers have factions in Islam, because of difference in beliefs etcetera. Our muslim brothers are not immune from differing in what they believe in.
no Muslim faction believe Jesus is God. No Muslim faction believe Muhammad is God. No Muslim faction believe Jesus is God and man at the same time. Differences within factions amongst Muslims are something far less important not this major creed. You have a lot to learn, buddy.



Jesus is divine and human. Yes, Jesus is God and man, at the same time. For the work, God came down to earth to do in the person of Jesus, Jesus had to fundamentally be man, apart from being God.
if you die on this belief, you really stand no chance of eternal life at all.

Listen, your Bible is your major problem. There is no way you could get out of this confusion unless you think outside the box. John and Luke you used to back yourself were historians. They copied stories from one another. They penned their stories from random people. What they wrote is about Jesus not what Jesus said. Your concept of God is pathetic. You need reorientation all over.


For some reason I feel so reluctant to engage you all along. Please don't die on this belief of yours. It is not gonna be pretty
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by gobuchinny: 10:25pm On Nov 16
Ihedinobi3:

I did say that you would never admit to any errors. I also told you that my response to your post was not for your benefit.

There is much to be said about Hebrews 8, but I will say just a few things:

1. You lied about what I said. I did not say that the New Covenant is only for the Millennium. I said that the direct teaching of the Lord will only happen during the Millennium as a fruit of the New Covenant.

2. The New Covenant is the basis for the Millennium. Without the Cross, the Kingdom will never be established. Because the Lord Jesus has come and died on the Cross, He has been crowned King of the Earth. But His Kingdom will only be inaugurated in the Millennium. When it is, God's Promises to Israel, including their regathering from the nations, the enlarging of the territory to reach the full extent that God promised Abraham but which Israel has never occupied, and the raising of the Israelite nation to rulership over the nations of the world, will be fulfilled. It is at that same time that the Lord will be teaching the inhabitants of the Earth, especially Israel, the Truth directly. That is what Hebrews 8 teaches.

3. If your interpretation of Hebrews 8 is correct, how does it not violate Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2; Ephesians 4 and the passages in John that I pointed out?

4. If we do not need teachers, why do we have them, since you claim that we do have people who have the gift of teaching?

Now, regarding Old and New Covenants, the only difference between the two really is that one looked forward to the other. The Old Covenant believer was a believer who had confidence that the Lord would send a Savior to die for his sins. The New Covenant believer is a believer who has confidence that the Savior has come and died for his sins. That's it. This difference is quite profound because the Advent of the Christ and His Victorious Return to Heaven resulted in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, so that gifts that had never existed among human beings were given to believers for the first time. This is a big deal, yes, but not in the sense that the New Testament believer is completely different from the Old Covenant believer.

The Old Covenant believer relied on prophets and eventually priests to teach him the Truth. The New Covenant believer relies on the work of the Apostles and prophets to have access to the Truth and on pastor-teachers to teach him the Truth that the Apostles and prophets have written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There are more gifts in the Church today than before and the Holy Spirit is indwelling believers permanently for the first time, but the New Testament believer is still part of the Church and is called by the Lord to rely on other believers in different ways to grow to spiritual maturity.

The thing that you might not be appreciating is that, as Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31 both teach, the New Covenant in the Blood of Jesus produces something more than just an enlarged Church comprising Gentiles disproportionately, it also produces the Millennium which is the time that both passages call "after those days." The Millennium follows the Church Age. That is the time of the Kingdom. After the days of the Church, the Millennium will come when the Lord will take things to a new level. At that time, every human being still living on earth will be taught the Truth by Him personally. This is a different dispensation than the Church Age. It is not now. Today is the Church Age when we learn the Truth with the help of one another. That is why we are told that the Bride readies or prepares herself (Revelation 19:7, compare Ephesians 4:11-13). That is, we all work together to build each other up to full spiritual maturity in preparation for the return of our Bridegroom.

Millennial believers are not part of the Church. They are the complement of the Church, that is, an addition to the Church that is the Lord's Bride, so their dispensation is different. They receive the Truth directly from the Lord, but we receive the Truth today through the agency of pastor-teachers who interpret the revelations given to the Apostles and prophets to write down in the Bible.

As for the KJV, I still don't see what you mean. Are you saying that it is only this "authentic translation" that is inspired? Or are you saying that you made a mistake and there is no inspired KJV translation regardless who you believe published it?

I don't see your answers to the accusations I made against you. You did challenge me to produce evidence of the lies that I charge you with, and I provided a sampling of them. What you have done now is to claim that you are innocent, without providing any proof at all of this innocence.

Nonetheless, I don't quite care. I never expected you either to own up to your errors or to provide proof that you did not lie. I only provided the evidence so that it is clear that you and I are not at all alike and that I am not the liar here. As I said, I own up to my own errors and accept correction where necessary, but then you're not like me.

At this point, I am done with our conversation. You may have an answer, but I think that I will leave things at this point. There is little value that I see in continuing this discussion with you.

I'm happy everyone with the Spirit of God can discern the evil spirit that operates in your life. The same spirit that allows you to distort scrpiture. Everything you quoted about the millennia is a lie and you have no scripture in the NT to back it up. Your lot love to dwell in the OT forgetting that OT was written to a people and was a book of prophesies which have already passed and the remaining prophesies are the destruction of the earth and the establishing of the new Jerusalem e.t.c. ALL those words in theOT were addressed to a people not you or me and the ones that were prophesies for our time like the coming messiah and everlasting judgement were clear. Now you r quoting Micah, oya let's look at it together.

Micah 4:1-4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken ....

Dont you see Micah helps to explain my points? Its says in the last days the mountain of the Lord will be establish in the Top of the Mountains. what is the mountain of the Lord? This signifies authority, its saying The Lords mountain will be exalted just like we have it in Yeshua who is exalted and sitting above all principalities and power and above all other mountains as Eph 1 tells us., verse 2, and people shall flow into it and MANY NATIONS WILL COME. it means the gentiles will be allowed access to these mountain ......verse 4 and many will say come let us go and seek the Lord for HE will teach us of His ways, verse 5 FOR OUT OF ZION SHALL PROCEED THE LAW, Where or what is Zion? Why is the law from Zion direct and not from pastor teachers? Why is it God that will teach His ways and not your pastor teachers. These was Micah like other OT prophets who God allowed to see the times of the reformation where 5he gentiles will be included and God Himself will Pour out His Spirits. The Isaiah you also quoted is the exact same with Micah. Do you know these prophets wondered what kind of men will beleive in Yahweh during this time?

1 Peter 1:10-11 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The old prophets saw the salvation that Yeshua will bring because they also had the same Spirit.

We know that everywhere in scrpiture when it talks of the last days its talking about the days after the messiah has been sacrificed as an offering and resurrected. We are In the last days.

Let me tell you all the prophesies in a nutshell. A nation Israel will be born, they will rebel and God will send them destructions (which were d details of literally all the prophets from Jeremiah till Malachi? Which led to the temples destruction and the rebuilding was prophesied that Cyrus will help consumamate. Then that The temple will be destroyed again because of sin and that the messiah will come, and that he will ride a colt and be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver and killed and resurrect, then the world will be destroyed when the Messiah returns with His saints to establish the new heaven and earth after judging sinners, satan and his Angel's and the fallen angels.

My friend all the prophesies have been fulfilled till the coming of the messiah. What we r waiting for now is the destruction of the earth as that is the last days were the wicked will become more wicked.


You have complicated the simplicity of the gospel with your heresies. And you r rong, Yeshua is not King on earth as there is a god of this world already and they cant be two Kings in a Kingdom. Yeshua is in heaven and until the earth is first destroyed and sinners removed. Can you honestly say this earth is for Yeshua? Men rule this earth in collaboration with principalities.

All the apostles preached that the earth will be destroyed and judgement will come. Yeshua prophesied the last days to be rough in mt25 and not pleasant. Earthquakes, killings etc and then the end will come.

I'm not addressing this to you because you portion is hell already. It's for posterity and the one folk who will find this words. PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLE YOURSELF WITH THE HELP OF THE LORD. THESE R D LAST DAYS AND THE DEVIL IS LOOKING FOR WHO TO DEVOUR. ITS ALL ABOUT HEAVEN AND HELL NOT RICHES. THESE WORLD IS PASSING AWAY AS WE R IN THE LAST DAYS. READ THE NT AND YOU WILL REALISE THAT MANY FALSE PROPHETS ARE GONE OUT ALREADY SELLING PEACE PEACE WHEN TRULY THERE IS WAR WAR.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED WE ARE IN THE DEVILS KINGDOM. THE EARTH AS WE HAVE IT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO HIM. HE IS THE PRINCE/god of this world. YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY MOUNTAIN AS FAKE PASTOR SAID. ALL THE MOUNTAINS OF THE EARTH ARE CARNAL grin. The kingdom of God and His son is not a carnal kindgom and not of this world. The earth will be destroyed and the messiah shall appear. It will be like the days of Noah. Pls read your bible and see this things for yourself so you can prove what is that good, acceptable and perfect will of God.

A word is enough for the wise

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 3:08am On Nov 17
Ihedinobi3:
To Whom It May Concern.
It is true that we will not see it explicitly stated that Matthias was not a legitimate replacement for Judas or that Paul was. But the principles are quite clear:

1. It is the Lord Jesus Who appointed Apostles (John 6:70; Mark 3:14).
2. The Lord Jesus did not appoint Matthias.
3. The Lord Jesus called Paul in the same way that He called the other Apostles.
4. The Principle of the double portion is profoundly accomplished in Paul who worked harder than the other eleven (1 Corinthians 15:10).

The fact that something is not stated explicitly in the Bible does not mean that it is not in the Bible. It does put plenty in the realm of interpretation, and it is true that an interpretation, such as the one I have just made, can be wrong, but the fact that it is an interpretation does not make it false. In fact, apart from some basic truths in the Bible, the vast majority of biblical teachings are only accessible through interpretation. This is why the Lord gave pastor-teachers to the Church. They are the only ones who possess the spiritual ability to see the meaning of the text and make them apparent to anyone who is willing to listen to them. And they can only do so after having attained spiritual maturity themselves and done some work of preparation to teach.

Ihedinobi3:

Barnabas was like many other believers whom the Lord gave as secondary apostles to accompany the Apostles and aid them in their work of establishing churches across the world. Silas was another. Apollos was another. John Mark too was another. There were very many. But the Twelve were special. They were those with ranking authority over all the Church.

My argument is not that Paul was more visible than Matthias. It is that Matthias was selected by men who did not know better at the time. If he was an apostle, then he was certainly the only believer in history who received a spiritual ministry through human election. Every other believer received their spiritual gift and ministry directly from the Lord.

See how you contradict yourself with the bolded in red.

My questions still stands.

1) Why didn't God outrightly reject both choices the Apostles presented to Him? Have you suddenly forgotten the case of Samuel trying to anoint a replacement for King Saul for example? Or did God's ways suddenly change?

2) Why didn't the Holy Spirit outrightly reject the apostleship of Matthias?

3) Where in the scriptures can we see Jesus appointing Paul for the purpose of replacing Judas? Oh wait, this now subjected to "the realm of interpretation"...

4) If your argument is about Jesus calling Paul to service like He did to the other Apostles, what of the other 70 (or 72 as the case might be) Jesus called and commissioned directly?

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by gobuchinny: 8:22am On Nov 17
JMAN05:


Don't be too fast to discredit the Bible, just because you can't find evidence in Google.

Scholarly research is a work in progress. In the future it may be realised how the book of Daniel used Darius. Critics have sometimes failed when new evidence comes up to vindicate the Bible records.

No true scholar would relegate the Bible to a made-up story. We must admit our limitations in getting all the evidence we need now from secular authorities since the Bible is from a Higher source. It's authenticity will in the future be discerned by the critics.

Don't be too fast, lest you make serious mistakes.


My brother, if you read my post properly you will see that I dont care what archaeology has found as the bible is my all in all. I'm only pointing us to the facts as the world has it that Darius is not recognized to have existed by science and that majority scholars beleive that Daniel even never existed. Well if that true then Yeshua lied because He quoted Daniel. let God be true and all men lies like this their ihedinobi because truly his moniker speaks volumes as evil and deceit are in his mind. He loves to over explain scripture and mystify what had already been demystified grin.

Please dont fall for his fooliness and folly because according to Him the OT testament beleiver n NT are pretty much the same forgetting that the OT was a carnal testament as scripture tells us but we r redeemed now by the blood of Christ not blood of awe, or sheep grin.

That tho we are all taught of God we see in part and understand In part. And as Paul said, we all see through a glass dimly but when we have been elevated with the celestial body we shall know fully. Truth is tho, we r taught directly by the Holy Spirit, as long as we r in this terrestrial body, they is a limit to the understanding of the operations of God as man is earthly and carnal. Even Paul with all the revelations knew that he was still limited until he puts off this mortal body to understand fully because then we would see God and Yeshua and all the witnesses FACE TO FACE and God will be the light not the sun.

2 cor 3 vs 18, we are beholding the glory of God from a mirror and transformed from glory to glory until redemption of our carnal bodies. So we can never know all about Yeshua now because we on see through a mirror not FACE TO FACE. but then, in the resurrection, we will behold the glory FACE TO FACE
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by Ihedinobi3: 9:54am On Nov 17
budaatum:

This is unblibical. Jesus was in body and in Spirit when he appointed the Apostles, while Paul was appointed by the Spirit of Christ.


Sounds like adding to the Bible to me, as you constantly accuse me of doing, but how can an interpretation that is wrong be true Ihe?


Seriously? "The vast majority of biblical teachings are not accessible through the Word of God itself, Ihe, but through what you interpret it to be?


Oh. Only some people can use their and training and preparation to understand enough to interpret Biblical teachings? I agree. It's hard work, afterall. Not for lazy fuqs.


Of course Ihe, you have worked harder than everyone else and we are "not one of you"!
gobuchinny:


I'm happy everyone with the Spirit of God can discern the evil spirit that operates in your life. The same spirit that allows you to distort scrpiture. Everything you quoted about the millennia is a lie and you have no scripture in the NT to back it up. Your lot love to dwell in the OT forgetting that OT was written to a people and was a book of prophesies which have already passed and the remaining prophesies are the destruction of the earth and the establishing of the new Jerusalem e.t.c. ALL those words in theOT were addressed to a people not you or me and the ones that were prophesies for our time like the coming messiah and everlasting judgement were clear. Now you r quoting Micah, oya let's look at it together.

Micah 4:1-4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken ....

Dont you see Micah helps to explain my points? Its says in the last days the mountain of the Lord will be establish in the Top of the Mountains. what is the mountain of the Lord? This signifies authority, its saying The Lords mountain will be exalted just like we have it in Yeshua who is exalted and sitting above all principalities and power and above all other mountains as Eph 1 tells us., verse 2, and people shall flow into it and MANY NATIONS WILL COME. it means the gentiles will be allowed access to these mountain ......verse 4 and many will say come let us go and seek the Lord for HE will teach us of His ways, verse 5 FOR OUT OF ZION SHALL PROCEED THE LAW, Where or what is Zion? Why is the law from Zion direct and not from pastor teachers? Why is it God that will teach His ways and not your pastor teachers. These was Micah like other OT prophets who God allowed to see the times of the reformation where 5he gentiles will be included and God Himself will Pour out His Spirits. The Isaiah you also quoted is the exact same with Micah. Do you know these prophets wondered what kind of men will beleive in Yahweh during this time?

1 Peter 1:10-11 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The old prophets saw the salvation that Yeshua will bring because they also had the same Spirit.

We know that everywhere in scrpiture when it talks of the last days its talking about the days after the messiah has been sacrificed as an offering and resurrected. We are In the last days.

Let me tell you all the prophesies in a nutshell. A nation Israel will be born, they will rebel and God will send them destructions (which were d details of literally all the prophets from Jeremiah till Malachi? Which led to the temples destruction and the rebuilding was prophesied that Cyrus will help consumamate. Then that The temple will be destroyed again because of sin and that the messiah will come, and that he will ride a colt and be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver and killed and resurrect, then the world will be destroyed when the Messiah returns with His saints to establish the new heaven and earth after judging sinners, satan and his Angel's and the fallen angels.

My friend all the prophesies have been fulfilled till the coming of the messiah. What we r waiting for now is the destruction of the earth as that is the last days were the wicked will become more wicked.


You have complicated the simplicity of the gospel with your heresies. And you r rong, Yeshua is not King on earth as there is a god of this world already and they cant be two Kings in a Kingdom. Yeshua is in heaven and until the earth is first destroyed and sinners removed. Can you honestly say this earth is for Yeshua? Men rule this earth in collaboration with principalities.

All the apostles preached that the earth will be destroyed and judgement will come. Yeshua prophesied the last days to be rough in mt25 and not pleasant. Earthquakes, killings etc and then the end will come.

I'm not addressing this to you because you portion is hell already. It's for posterity and the one folk who will find this words. PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLE YOURSELF WITH THE HELP OF THE LORD. THESE R D LAST DAYS AND THE DEVIL IS LOOKING FOR WHO TO DEVOUR. ITS ALL ABOUT HEAVEN AND HELL NOT RICHES. THESE WORLD IS PASSING AWAY AS WE R IN THE LAST DAYS. READ THE NT AND YOU WILL REALISE THAT MANY FALSE PROPHETS ARE GONE OUT ALREADY SELLING PEACE PEACE WHEN TRULY THERE IS WAR WAR.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED WE ARE IN THE DEVILS KINGDOM. THE EARTH AS WE HAVE IT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO HIM. HE IS THE PRINCE/god of this world. YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY MOUNTAIN AS FAKE PASTOR SAID. ALL THE MOUNTAINS OF THE EARTH ARE CARNAL grin. The kingdom of God and His son is not a carnal kindgom and not of this world. The earth will be destroyed and the messiah shall appear. It will be like the days of Noah. Pls read your bible and see this things for yourself so you can prove what is that good, acceptable and perfect will of God.

A word is enough for the wise
OkCornel:




See how you contradict yourself with the bolded in red.

My questions still stands.

1) Why didn't God outrightly reject both choices the Apostles presented to Him? Have you suddenly forgotten the case of Samuel trying to anoint a replacement for King Saul for example? Or did God's ways suddenly change?

2) Why didn't the Holy Spirit outrightly reject the apostleship of Matthias?

3) Where in the scriptures can we see Jesus appointing Paul for the purpose of replacing Judas? Oh wait, this now subjected to "the realm of interpretation"...

4) If your argument is about Jesus calling Paul to service like He did to the other Apostles, what of the other 70 (or 72 as the case might be) Jesus called and commissioned directly?

So, I am being corrected and told off by a self-proclaimed unbeliever who somehow also claims to serve Jesus Christ, a syncretist who mixes Christianity with Eastern religions, and an established liar (all three are proven liars, by the way). But I'm the one who needs to be corrected about what the Bible teaches and warned for presenting myself as a pastor-teacher, although I believe in Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible, refuse to accept any foreign elements and intrusions into the Bible, and own up to my errors and mistakes in the rare instances that I make them.

Well, the Scriptures are clear that Satan masquerades as an angel of light and his ministers do the same. I don't see more that I can do either to correct you three and others like you or to warn anyone who chances upon our conversations to be wary of you.

So, as I said before, I'm moving on from these discussions. I will not attempt to correct the misrepresentations of my own comments by you three: my posts should be enough to prove to anyone who cares that you are lying about what I have said wherever you are doing so.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 10:18am On Nov 17
Ihedinobi3:




So, I am being corrected and told off by a self-proclaimed unbeliever who somehow also claims to serve Jesus Christ, a syncretist who mixes Christianity with Eastern religions, and an established liar (all three are proven liars, by the way). But I'm the one who needs to be corrected about what the Bible teaches and warned for presenting myself as a pastor-teacher, although I believe in Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible, refuse to accept any foreign elements and intrusions into the Bible, and own up to my errors and mistakes in the rare instances that I make them.

Well, the Scriptures are clear that Satan masquerades as an angel of light and his ministers do the same. I don't see more that I can do either to correct you three and others like you or to warn anyone who chances upon our conversations to be wary of you.

So, as I said before, I'm moving on from these discussions. I will not attempt to correct the misrepresentations of my own comments by you three: my posts should be enough to prove to anyone who cares that you are lying about what I have said wherever you are doing so.

Is this the scriptural evidence pointing to where Jesus appointed Paul to replace Judas?

Is this the scriptural evidence pointing to where the Holy Spirit rejected Matthias’ apostleship?


I get it, you have no answer to the queries being raised here, and would rather rely on your conjectures and interpretation of the scriptures.

I take this as your exit strategy in the absence of scriptural evidence to support your claims.


You’re a joke. The bolded in your quote reeks of “humility”. It’s very essential in your walk with God. Ride on Ihedinobi3, the all knowing one.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 1:21pm On Nov 17
Empiree:
no Muslim faction believe Jesus is God
Good for the no Muslim faction, believe Jesus is God, but IDGAF nor do I care whether or not, any Muslim faction and/or sects believes that Jesus is God. You didnt see me go price "do Muslims believe Jesus is God" market, or did you? It is you who uninvitedly came to this thread to introduce and/or question the God divine nature of Jesus, when what is being argued and discussed on the thread is, the book of Enoch and why its not found in the complied bible. Like seriously, you're a sheer public nuisance, with all your thread off-topic nonsense, you keep posting.

Anyway, you've bitten more than you can chew, you priced and bought market from the wrong customer, when you began questioning the truthfulness and disputing the veracity of the supernatural identity of Jesus Christ being God, with me.

Empiree:
No Muslim faction believe Muhammad is God.
It will be blasphemy anyway, if any Muslim faction should ever believe that Muhammad is God. God forbid. Nauzubillah, as you, our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, fondly would say, lol, isnt it?

Empiree:
No Muslim faction believe Jesus is God and man at the same time. Differences within factions amongst Muslims are something far less important not this major creed. You have a lot to learn, buddy.
If it makes you feel good about yourself, then be my guest, and hide behind ".. you have a lot to learn, buddy."
I stand by my previous comment, that our Muslim brothers have sects in Islam, and this all down to having differences in beliefs etcetera. Just as with ekklesia, our muslim brothers, too, are not immune from differing in what they believe in

Empiree:
if you die on this belief, you really stand no chance of eternal life at all.
Thank you for the overflowing milk of human kindness you extended to me and your concern on missing out on the gift of eternal life, but thanks and no thanks. Why? It is because I have the best Attorney ever. At the appointed time, I'll be dully represented by my Advocate. Yes, I have a SAN, Senior Advocate Numero uno, to legally represent me. Praise God. Alleluia.

Empiree:
Listen, your Bible is your major problem. There is no way you could get out of this confusion unless you think outside the box.
Listen matey, you here and for gatecrashing into this thread are the major and mega problem, the Bible is nobody's problem. The Bible soothes and gives no problem to anyone.

Empiree:
John and Luke you used to back yourself were historians. They copied stories from one another. They penned their stories from random people.
So you would have preferred the stories to be recited to John and Luke by Jibril, in order for the stories, as far as you're concerned, to be believable abi?

Empiree:
What they wrote is about Jesus not what Jesus said.
"24This disciple was an eyewitness of these things and wrote them down. We know that what he says is true
25There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.
"
- John 21:24-25

Empiree, what they wrote, is about Jesus and also about, all what Jesus said too. Talking of what is wrote and/or what is said about Jesus. What and who does the Quran call "Kalimat Allah", the "Word of God" or to be more precise, who does the Quran refer to as
"Kalimatin min Allah" meaning "a Word from God" hmm?

Now Empiree, if it became possible for the word of God, in the case of our Muslim dear ones and your fellow muslims brothers and sisters, to become a book (i.e. the Quran), why isnt it, just as reasonable to, after much thought, understand, get the message and believe that God's eternal Word became a man, hmm? I know that if one is not aware of the reason, why God's Word became a human being, then it will be an uphill struggle believing that Jesus is God

Empiree:
Your concept of God is pathetic.
You have an excessive pride in your underdeveloped concept of God. You're full of deceit and puffed up with conceit

Why and how is my concept of God pathetic?
Empiree, share your knowledge and understanding of what the meaning of I AM, or what the meaning of the longer phrase, I AM I AM is please. I would like to read and/or hear your reasoning

Empiree:
You need reorientation all over.
You have a parochial understanding of God, but you think I need reorientation all over, when it really is you, who needs reorientation all over, all because your misinterpretation(s) has dragged you discombobulated to the roadside. You're desperately in need of a paradigm shift. May you, in a flash, have the penny drop moment and suddenly understand that Jesus is God. Amen. A common mistake that people like you Empiree make, when dealing with the divinity of Jesus is trying to understand it using rudimentary level human reasoning(s)

Empiree:
For some reason I feel so reluctant to engage you all along.
Do you still all along harbour this reluntant feeling not to engage me? I think, God purposely set you up, to engage with me, so you can get the realisation that Jesus is God and God is Jesus. Dont worry Empiree if you still dont get it, because you can be standing right in front of truth and not necessarily see it. People only get it when they're ready to get it. So my dear brother, hopefully someday, you'll look back on this thread's interaction with me and then suddenly POW, the epiphany might happen and hit you.

How dare you tried to malign Jesus, hmm?, You get balls ooo, but never mind, as I am at least extremely pleased, delighted and happy that Bodydialect57 exposed you and your lies, especially the one where you falsely said that Jesus rebuked the disciples for calling Him Lord. That Bodydialect57 educative response to your departure from the truth, was a hit and I liked it.

Empiree, I should be the one relunctant to engage such a person like you who has a strong and undying loyalty to deny and defy truth vehemently, but we thank God for grace and the gift to suffer gladly few small-minded people just like you. God has given me the grace to be patient with the Empiree of this world. Praise God. Alleluia.

Empiree, out of mere curiousity, do you at all know what is the meaning of the name Jesus, or better still, Yahushua, using the original Hebrew name?

Empiree:
Please don't die on this belief of yours. It is not gonna be pretty
"... So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], if you know not."
- Quran 16:43

I wish you self medicate and take your very own prescription, which is, don't die on this belief of yours, that Jesus is not God, because the aftermath is not gonna be pretty

You worship what you do not know, a moon god. We worship what we know, the One, True and only God. Arguing about sacred knowledge pertaining to denying that Jesus is God, causes the heart to harden up and the results are we have hardliners, the likes of you and the rest of our fellow muslim brothers and sisters who dont want to ask the "the people of the book" for illumination on subject matters like this, something that even you know, the Quran itself in Quran 16:43 above and also elsewhere, in Quran 21:7, advocates, you all should do. You're advised to ask us, towards you getting proper and full understanding of God and/or the Godhead, in relation to things, like the aspects of the complete knowledge of God the Father, the begotten Son and the Holy Spirit you lots dont have.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by PrincewithGod(m): 2:44pm On Nov 17
God in His omniscience has designed the Bible to come to us the way it is and in His omnipotence has used whatever council or group of persons or person to bring it to us the way it is. If it was His will for all these books to be included in His Bible, He would have allowed them to be included. It will be kind of trying to overreach ourselves when we go after those books.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by budaatum: 2:53pm On Nov 17
Ihedinobi3:


So, I am being corrected and told off by a self-proclaimed unbeliever who somehow also claims to serve Jesus Christ, a syncretist who mixes Christianity with Eastern religions, and an established liar (all three are proven liars, by the way).

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 3:04pm On Nov 17
PrincewithGod:
God in His omniscience has designed the Bible to come to us the way it is and in His omnipotence has used whatever council or group of persons or person to bring it to us the way it is. If it was His will for all these books to be included in His Bible, He would have allowed them to be included. It will be kind of trying to overreach ourselves when we go after those books.

Hope you know there’s no general consensus as to how many books makes up the Bible.

You might want to check the first version of King James Bible for a start.

1611 KJV Bible

Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by 24lottos(m): 4:27pm On Nov 17
man that's crazy
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 5:23pm On Nov 17
PrincewithGod:
God in His omniscience has designed the Bible to come to us the way it is and in His omnipotence has used whatever council or group of persons or person to bring it to us the way it is. If it was His will for all these books to be included in His Bible, He would have allowed them to be included. It will be kind of trying to overreach ourselves when we go after those books.
PrincewithGod dont mind the self-proclaimed unbeliever who somehow also claims to serve Jesus Christ, the syncretist who mixes Christianity with Eastern religions, and the other established liars.

There are 80 books, in the 1611 first version of King James Bible, 39 in the Old Testament, 14 in the Apocrypha and 27 in the New Testament.
The difference between the 1611 first version of King James Bible and its successor(s) is the 14 books in the Apocrypha.

No matter how hard this one, a tool, in the devil's workshop, is trying to lead unsuspecting believers, up the garden path, to deceive them, by making them believe something which is not true, it is appropriate, the duty and responsibility of believers, sons and daughters of the Living Almighty God, the concerned and interested all, to know that, by divine prudence and just providence God did not then permit that accursed book of Enoch to feature in the Apocrypha section of the 1611 first version of King James Bible and neither did God permit the distasteful and abominable, same accursed book of Enoch to feature in the 1611 first version of King James Bible successor Bible versions.

If the accursed book of Enoch, is truly that revered and if it really, is a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if its just the once and only time, is it not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Why is the accursed book of Enoch never featured in any other many Bible translation versions? Others books were, even the beloved Book of Jasher, the original Book of Jasher I mean here, is mentioned, it is mentioned even at least twice in the Bible but the alleged high and mighty, the accursed book of Enoch is missing being mentioned. The accursed book of Enoch is an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with their lips, talkess let it be, in a way, that is visible to the eye, be seen written out, in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment, that at the very least, the book of Enoch, truly and really, is an accursed book.

The accursed book of Enoch, isnt even able to, doesnt even manage to make it into the 1611 first version of King James Bible's Apocrypha. The First and Second Book of Esdras, Tobit, Judith, The Rest of the Chapters of the Book of Esther, The Wisdom of Solomon, The Wisdom of Jesus the son of Sirach or Ecclesiasticus, Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy, Song of the Three Children, Story of Susanna and the Elders, The Idol Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasses, and The First & Second Book of the Maccabees, all made it into the Apocrypha hall of fame but the biblical pariah, the accursed book of Enoch is MIA, missing in action, the accursed book of Enoch is AWOL, absent without leave. The accursed book of Enoch is nowhere to be found in the pasted here, scanned table of content book names, from the originally published 1611 first version of King James Bible ('He' version)

No one should be surprised that fraudulent books, like the book of Enoch, is deprived of high opinion, respect and honour and never given the courtesy of mentioning of the word "Book of Enoch" anywhere in the Bible. There is no official approval or recognition of the Book of Enoch and so unlike other books like it, it gets no mention whatsover anywhere in the Old Testament and New Testament. It also doesnt get featured as a book in any bible ever, except for in the Orthodox Ethiopian Church Ethiopic Bible version and/or Eritrean canon

The Eritrean and Ethiopian Orthodox Church allows all sorts of riff raff books like the accursed book of Enoch, just for the fun of it, and to go down the rabbit hole with them, not minding the devil in the details, lol.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 5:55pm On Nov 17
@PrincewithGod, hope you don't mind asking Mr. Muttleylaf what the book of Enoch was doing alongside other books found in the ancient dead sea scrolls discovered at Qumran.

And why he has brazenly lied that Peter and Jude quoted from the book of Enoch to denigrate it.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 5:56pm On Nov 17
AlexFlemming:
The Roman Catholic Church recognizes:

Tobit
Judith
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
Baruch
The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch Chapter 6)
Greek Additions to Esther (Book of Esther, chapters 10:4–12:6)
The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children verses 1–68 (Book of Daniel, chapter 3, verses 24–90)
Susanna (Book of Daniel, chapter 13)
Bel and the Dragon (Book of Daniel, chapter 14)


AlexFlemming:
In addition to the above,

The Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches recognize the following:

3 Maccabees
1 Esdras
Prayer of Manasseh
Psalm 151

AlexFlemming:
Russian and Georgian Orthodox Churches include:
2 Esdras i.e., Latin Esdras in the Russian and Georgian Bibles
There is also 4 Maccabees which is only accepted as canonical in the Georgian Church, but was included by St. Jerome in an appendix to the Vulgate, and is an appendix to the Greek Orthodox Bible, and it is therefore sometimes included in collections of the Apocrypha.

The Syriac Orthodox tradition includes:
Psalms 151–155
The Apocalypse of Baruch
The Letter of Baruch


The Ethiopian Biblical canon includes:
Jubilees
Enoch
1–3 Meqabyan
and some other books.


The Anglican Church uses some of the Apocryphal books liturgically, though rarely and with alternative reading available. Therefore, editions of the Bible intended for use in the Anglican Church may include the Deuterocanonical books accepted by the Catholic Church, plus 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh, which were in the Vulgate appendix.

Cc: PrincewithGod

Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 5:57pm On Nov 17
AlexFlemming:
I am patiently waiting for the "66 books is the inspired and complete word of God" crew to tell us the following churches are apostate churches for believing in more than 66 books;

1) Syriac Orthodox Church
2) Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
3) Eastern Orthodox churches
4) Russian Orthodox churches
5) Georgian Orthodox churches
6) The Anglican church
7) The Roman Catholic church
8 ) The Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by gobuchinny: 7:53pm On Nov 17
OkCornel:


Is this the scriptural evidence pointing to where Jesus appointed Paul to replace Judas?

Is this the scriptural evidence pointing to where the Holy Spirit rejected Matthias’ apostleship?


I get it, you have no answer to the queries being raised here, and would rather rely on your conjectures and interpretation of the scriptures.

I take this as your exit strategy in the absence of scriptural evidence to support your claims.


You’re a joke. The bolded in your quote reeks of “humility”. It’s very essential in your walk with God. Ride on Ihedinobi3, the all knowing one.


My brother forget that guy. He has the spirit of an anti Christ. A rebellious son. Like lucifer who exalted himself, this one likes to exalt himself against the word of God. I have used scrpiture to test him and he falled so I wont bother responding to him. His lost and his heart is hardened with lies. NO SCRIPTURE TO PROVE ANYTHING. he mystifies what has already been demystified by Yeshua.

I will try not to respond to him, just that I hate evil counsel grin.

Carry on brother. We r doing the work of Yeshua against evil apostate false pastor/teachers

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by PrincewithGod(m): 9:58am On Nov 19
OkCornel:


Hope you know there’s no general consensus as to how many books makes up the Bible.

You might want to check the first version of King James Bible for a start.

1611 KJV Bible
What I have observed in all these arguments is that the role of God is being left out of how the Bible came to us. The Bible is the word of God and it is up to Him to determine what comes to us and in order to purify His word from contamination from the enemy (satan).
Deutronomy 29 : 29.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 10:00am On Nov 19
PrincewithGod:

What I have observed in all these arguments is that the role of God is being left out of how the Bible came to us. The Bible is the word of God and it is up to Him to determine what comes to us and in order to purify His word from contamination from the enemy (satan).
Deutronomy 29 : 29.

The one with 66 books? Or over 80 books?

Do you believe all of God’s words can be limited to a set of books?

Revelations and prophecies given to those with a gift of prophecy in our time that came to pass, whose words are they?
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by PrincewithGod(m): 10:43am On Nov 19
OkCornel:


The one with 66 books? Or over 80 books?

Do you believe all of God’s words can be limited to a set of books?

Revelations and prophecies given to those with a gift of prophecy in our time that came to pass, whose words are they?
Did you even read the quotation?

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 11:16am On Nov 19
PrincewithGod:

Did you even read the quotation?

Deuteronomy 29:29 New King James Version (NKJV)

29 “The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.


I did bro. Just wanted to hear your view per my question.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by PrincewithGod(m): 1:39pm On Nov 19
OkCornel:


Deuteronomy 29:29 New King James Version (NKJV)

29 “The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.


I did bro. Just wanted to hear your view per my question.
Good, so let us leave the secret things that belong to God to Him. What should be our priority now is to strive to make heaven, when we get there we shall come into the knowledge of why He allowed those books to be taken out of or not to be included in the bible.

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Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 1:59pm On Nov 19
PrincewithGod:

Good, so let us leave the secret things that belong to God to Him. What should be our priority now is to strive to make heaven, when we get there we shall come into the knowledge of why He allowed those books to be taken out of or not to be included in the bible.

A lovely consolation for ignorance, and getting stuck in a comfort zone. If everyone has this attitude, I wonder...I just wonder.
Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by PrincewithGod(m): 2:36pm On Nov 19
OkCornel:


A lovely consolation for ignorance, and getting stuck in a comfort zone. If everyone has this attitude, I wonder...I just wonder.
Thank you very much and God bless you. Have a nice day.

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