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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Limitless72(m): 4:41pm On Nov 02, 2019
Area4Area:
Northerners are parasites as you said but when they gave Igbos only a quit notice to leave the north, who went begging them to rescind and were shouting genocide everywhere, the Igbos.

For you to trade with the world, don't you think you need an access to them or maybe you think an exporter in Aba would just blink his eyes and gbam, he finds himself and his goods in Dubai, India etc to go distribute to his customers.
An Onitsha importer would be in China, after purchasing his stuff, he blinks his eyes and he's in main market



Oga the north is a parasite....
What's is thier IGR ?
How much do they bring to the table?
What they know is to collect allocation and milk the resources of the south dry.....
Even with their numerous untapped solid minerals they refuse to grow....
Going about give birth to almajiris they can't cater for.. littering children in the nook and cranny of the country. causing instability, using Bokoharam to play politics......



If they can survive on thier own why didn't they embrace true federalism and restructuring....

Ndi Oshi...!!
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 6:33am On Nov 03, 2019
Limitless72:




Oga the north is a parasite....
What's is thier IGR ?
How much do they bring to the table?
What they know is to collect allocation and milk the resources of the south dry.....
Even with their numerous untapped solid minerals they refuse to grow....
Going about give birth to almajiris they can't cater for.. littering children in the nook and cranny of the country. causing instability, using Bokoharam to play politics......



If they can survive on thier own why didn't they embrace true federalism and restructuring....

Ndi Oshi...!!
What's the IGR of the entire SE? Are you saying the SE states are not parasites when they can't generate enough for their budgets and have to depend on federal allocation monthly to meet up, the SE states are parasites just as most states in the north.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Limitless72(m): 7:41am On Nov 03, 2019
Area4Area:
What's the IGR of the entire SE? Are you saying the SE states are not parasites when they can't generate enough for their budgets and have to depend on federal allocation monthly to meet up, the SE states are parasites just as most states in the north.



The north don't have anything that why they cling unto politics with all their might....
Check top 10 states with highest IGR and see for yourself....
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 8:14am On Nov 03, 2019
Limitless72:




The north don't have anything that why they cling unto politics with all their might....
Check top 10 states with highest IGR and see for yourself....
So what does the south east have? At least the north provide most of the food we eat, from tomatoes, onions, pepper to yam, meat, beans and even rice.
All the states in Nigeria are not viable save a few like Lagos, Oyo and the oil producing states. They would fail immediately if allocations stop coming from Abuja.

Most states in the south east generate between N1billion to 2billion IGR monthly but collect N5billion to N7billion from Abuja, and yet they are unable to pay salaries.

Read this to understand the precarious state of things in the south east (and in Nigeria in general) - https://medium.com/@immanueljamesibeanyanwu/2018-state-of-states-in-the-south-east-igr-debt-and-gross-earnings-f2a8bca63aba

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Limitless72(m): 10:10am On Nov 03, 2019
wirinet:

So what does the south east have? At least the north provide most of the food we eat, from tomatoes, onions, pepper to yam, meat, beans and even rice.
All the states in Nigeria are not viable save a few like Lagos, Oyo and the oil producing states. They would fail immediately if allocations stop coming from Abuja.

Most states in the south east generate between N1billion to 2billion IGR monthly but collect N5billion to N7billion from Abuja, and yet they are unable to pay salaries.

Read this to understand the precarious state of things in the south east (and in Nigeria in general) - https://medium.com/@immanueljamesibeanyanwu/2018-state-of-states-in-the-south-east-igr-debt-and-gross-earnings-f2a8bca63aba



Oga the southeast also provides foods like yam, cassava, palm oil, plantain, citrus , even rice too...

.....nd for every billion the south east allocates the north brings a few hundred of thousand.....
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 10:57am On Nov 03, 2019
Limitless72:




Oga the southeast also provides foods like yam, cassava, palm oil, plantain, citrus , even rice too...
Who does the east provide food for? The east does not provide enough food to feed it's own population not to talk of providing food for other regions. Do you know the number of trucks and trailers bringing infood to the south from the north on a daily basis?


.....nd for every billion the south east allocates the north brings a few hundred of thousand.....
Cannot make sense of what you wrote. South east allocates to who? The north brings to who? We are talking about IGR and ability of states to survive without federal allocations and you are talking off point.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Basher8583: 11:18am On Nov 03, 2019
Racoon:
Let Igbo go first.We're so blessed that we dont know what is suffering

Then why are you crying marginalisation up and down
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Basher8583: 11:59am On Nov 03, 2019
RTSC:

I was actually enjoying the thread and thr convo until you posted this threat above.

Since you can't win with logic, you decide to use threat.

What a shame.
If you kill off 20 million igbo who are the most industrious Nigerians anyway, do you think your country will ever have hope of developing?
When you have off killed the greater part of the quality human capital that Nigeria has in any field of human endeavor, how will that make your life better?

Is it the almajiris in the north that will make Nigeria great?

I don't support secession, neither do I support psychos like you.
@bolded....
You guys like deceiving yourselves.
Industrious ko inlustrious niiii.
Are Dangote, Otedola, dantata, Adenuga igbos?

All your fraudulent brothers you call industrious makes you sound like a clown.

They just make noise up and down because thier source of money is not clean. You can see Invictus Obi trying to launder his dirty money into a legitimate business just like his fellow brothers.
Thieves.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Basher8583: 12:04pm On Nov 03, 2019
jude79:



same applies to nigerians in biafra. it's no big deal, confident people are not afraid of Independence.

Lol. That muddy region devoid of any investment. Lol. See them feeling important
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by RTSC: 12:07pm On Nov 03, 2019
Basher8583:

@bolded....
You guys like deceiving yourselves.
Industrious ko inlustrious niiii.
Are Dangote, Otedola, dantata, Adenuga igbos?

All your fraudulent brothers you call industrious makes you sound like a clown.

They just make noise up and down because thier source of money is not clean. You can see Invictus Obi trying to launder his dirty money into a legitimate business just like his fellow brothers.
Thieves.
The drugs you drink, the clothes you wear, the parts you use for your cars, the electronics you use.

I am sure it was produced or imported by dangote and otedola.

Clown.

This one does not know what makes Nigeria work, he is shouting dangote.

NA your body go tell you.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Basher8583: 12:09pm On Nov 03, 2019
gidgiddy:


Let me tell you something you may not know. Theres a big difference between being landlocked and having access to the sea. Both are not the same thing. London is a landlocked city but London handles majority of British shipping. That's because London has waterways that lead from it to ocean such the River Thames and the River Lea. London has several River ports and many barges.

Technology has gone far. Gone are the days when you need a big wharf by the ocean before you can import or export. All you need now are water ways and barges or crane mounted barges. Crane mounted barges can go out to sea, meet a coastliner, discharge or receive goods or containers and return to an inland River port without need for a wharf. One barge can carry hundreds of containers.

A River port can be built in Oguta in Imo or Obuaku in Abia, both Oguta and Obuaku both have tributaries that run from them to the Ocean. Onitsha in Anambra already has a River port

The SE might be landlocked, but it definitely has access to the Sea.

However, Igbo land exceeds the so called SE

You seem to be so daft...There is no how you can have such water channels without the approval of Nigeria. Most countries that are landlocked depend a lot on diplomacy. You have no diplomacy and the country is doomed just as biafra looks doomed because you guys are just too abusive and lack the basic essence of diplomacy.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Basher8583: 12:31pm On Nov 03, 2019
RTSC:

The drugs you drink, the clothes you wear, the parts you use for your cars, the electronics you use.

I am sure it was produced or imported by dangote and otedola.

Clown.

This one does not know what makes Nigeria work, he is shouting dangote.

NA your body go tell you.

The saying goes that "Avoid anything made by an Igbo man" you guys are never honest. Me buy igbo made drugs. What for Na? I neva ready to die na.
Which car parts.... Na only igbo dey import car parts? If that be the case you for move your trade go east na and leave North and SW. You no lucky say no tribe wan drag am with you else you for hear am. Note that theres no monopoly in trading car parts.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by gidgiddy: 12:35pm On Nov 03, 2019
Basher8583:


You seem to be so daft...There is no how you can have such water channels without the approval of Nigeria. Most countries that are landlocked depend a lot on diplomacy. You have no diplomacy and the country is doomed just as biafra looks doomed because you guys are just too abusive and lack the basic essence of diplomacy.

People like you are just plane ignorant. So ignorant that you dont even know that the international laws that gives Nigeria control of its water ways will also give Biafra control of it's own. It's not about being landlocked, it's about if you have access to the Sea via water channels.

I even used the example of London, a landlocked city, but it controls much of British shipping through the use of the River Thames and the River Lea.

Naturally, if there is Biafra, the use of the water ways will be discussed, however, it will never be the exclusive preserve of Nigeria to decide

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Basher8583: 12:42pm On Nov 03, 2019
gidgiddy:


People like you are just plane ignorant. So ignorant that you dont even know that the international laws that gives Nigeria control of its water ways will also give Biafra control of it's own. It's not about being landlocked, it's about if you have access to the Sea via water channels.

I even used the example of London, a landlocked city, but it controls much of British shipping through the use of the River Thames and the River Lea.

Naturally, if there is Biafra, the use of the water ways will be discussed, however, it will never be the exclusive preserve of Nigeria to decide

There's nothing you can do if Nigeria blocks that channel and it will. Not even UN can help you cry babies.
All land borders are closed. Has UN reopened it?
Note UN has no business interfering in the affairs of a sovereign land. You have the channel because you are part of Nigeria. Once you seize to be part of Nigeria you cannot share part of Nigerias sovereignty. Not even UN can help you. So better learn how to be diplomatic or else you will suffer seriously

besides London is part of Great Britain so I don't understand the analogy you are bringing out from there
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by RTSC: 1:00pm On Nov 03, 2019
Basher8583:


The saying goes that "Avoid anything made by an Igbo man" you guys are never honest. Me buy igbo made drugs. What for Na? I neva ready to die na.
Which car parts.... Na only igbo dey import car parts? If that be the case you for move your trade go east na and leave North and SW. You no lucky say no tribe wan drag am with you else you for hear am. Note that theres no monopoly in trading car parts.
My friend shut the fucckk up.

Emzor, fidson, Orange, Juhel are Igbo drug companies producing local.
There is no Nigerian alive that have not used their products.
Even the foreign drugs Nigerians depend on for health are imported by Igbos.

It would never be well with you if use their products or any Igbo imports in your life again.

Go and meet dangote to give you drugs or other basic commodities Igbos provide.

Clown.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 1:23pm On Nov 03, 2019
RTSC:

The drugs you drink, the clothes you wear, the parts you use for your cars, the electronics you use.

I am sure it was produced or imported by dangote and otedola.

Clown.

This one does not know what makes Nigeria work, he is shouting dangote.

NA your body go tell you.
First of all quit this your igbos dominate importation nonsense you guys keep parroting. Importation business has gone online. You don't need a middleman to import items from Alibaba, Ebay or Amazon. On the local scene, Jumia, Jiji, Konga and olx carry out more business than Igbo traders.


How many drugs and household products are produced by igbos? You guys just make stupendous claims without any proof. Why not list the biggest manufacturing companies in Nigeria producing household items and let's see how many belongs to igbos. The biggest manufacturing firms belongs to multinationals like glaxosmithkline, PZ, Unilever, proctor and gambler, Nestlé, etc. We have Coca cola, Pepsi, Cadbury, etc.
If we are talking about medium scale manufacturing, all tribes are represented. We have equally.

If we are discussing small scale manufacturing, then igbos might be more.

If we are talking farming, northerners have the edge. If we talk services, Yorubas have the edge.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 1:37pm On Nov 03, 2019
RTSC:

My friend shut the fucckk up.

Emzor, fidson, Orange, Juhel are Igbo drug companies producing local.
There is no Nigerian alive that have not used their products.
Even the foreign drugs Nigerians depend on for health are imported by Igbos.

It would never be well with you if use their products or any Igbo imports in your life again.

Go and meet dangote to give you drugs or other basic commodities Igbos provide.

Clown.

There are many pharmaceutical companies owned by other Nigerians other than Igbo. For your information Fidson is owned by a Yoruba man. Also Mopson, one of the biggest locally owned pharmaceutical company is owned by a Yoruba man.

I really do not understand this chest beating, so because a few igbo men import items to sell is now termed an achievement for the whole tribe?
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by gidgiddy: 1:44pm On Nov 03, 2019
Basher8583:


There's nothing you can do if Nigeria blocks that channel and it will. Not even UN can help you cry babies.
All land borders are closed. Has UN reopened it?
Note UN has no business interfering in the affairs of a sovereign land. You have the channel because you are part of Nigeria. Once you seize to be part of Nigeria you cannot share part of Nigerias sovereignty. Not even UN can help you. So better learn how to be diplomatic or else you will suffer seriously

besides London is part of Great Britain so I don't understand the analogy you are bringing out from there

I'm not talking about land borders, I'm talking about international water ways. The essence of using London as an example is to show that being landlocked is different from access to sea. London is landlocked city but has access to sea vis its water ways and handles much British shipping.

If Biafra turns out to be just the South East, it may be landlocked but it will still have access to the Sea via its water ways. Of course Biafra and Nigeria may have to reach an agreement on the movement of people and goods, however, Nigeria is duty bound to honour article 125(1) of UNCLOS which states:

Right of access to and from the sea and freedom of transit

1. Land-locked States shall have the right of access to and from the sea for the purpose of exercising the rights provided for in this Convention including those relating to the freedom of the high seas and the common heritage of mankind. To this end, land-locked States shall enjoy freedom of transit through the territory of transit States by all means of transport.


So anyone who thinks that Nigeria will have the exclusive right to do whatever it likes, or unduly prevent Biafra from having access to the sea, should perish the thought as international law which Nigeria is a signatory to prevents that.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by RTSC: 1:53pm On Nov 03, 2019
wirinet:


There are many pharmaceutical companies owned by other Nigerians other than Igbo. For your information Fidson is owned by a Yoruba man. Also Mopson, one of the biggest locally owned pharmaceutical company is owned by a Yoruba man.

I really do not understand this chest beating, so because a few igbo men import items to sell is now termed an achievement for the whole tribe?
Clown.

The biggest pharmaceutical companies are Igbo owned.

List any pharmaceutical company in Nigeria bigger than Orange, Emzor and Juhel.
Even the smaller ones are also Igbo dominated.

Clown does not realise what he is benefiting from having a people with ravenous desire for indigenous production.
Most of the things Nigerians can't do without is what Igbos provide

By the time, Nigeria divides, your Yoruba people would wait for a foreign investor from India to come and build a paracetamol plant for you as usual.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 2:09pm On Nov 03, 2019
gidgiddy:


People like you are just plane ignorant. So ignorant that you dont even know that the international laws that gives Nigeria control of its water ways will also give Biafra control of it's own. It's not about being landlocked, it's about if you have access to the Sea via water channels.

I even used the example of London, a landlocked city, but it controls much of British shipping through the use of the River Thames and the River Lea.

Naturally, if there is Biafra, the use of the water ways will be discussed, however, it will never be the exclusive preserve of Nigeria to decide
Emphasis on your last paragraph,
You now agree that the use of water would be discussed, I thought you were saying earlier that it was Biafra's exclusive right irrespective of what Nigeria says.

FYI, Nigeria has exclusive right to 12 nautical miles to the Nigerian coast, see the map below.


How would Biafra navigate through that distance within Nigerian territorial waters waters without an agreement with the owner?

You are just fixated with waterways but what about the access to the ocean, you may navigate the whole of riversAzumiri, Niger etc to get to the sea but can you make use of it is the question.

Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 2:16pm On Nov 03, 2019
RTSC:

Clown.

The biggest pharmaceutical companies are Igbo owned.

List any pharmaceutical company in Nigeria bigger than Orange, Emzor and Juhel.
Even the smaller ones are also Igbo dominated.

Clown does not realise what he is benefiting from having a people with ravenous desire for indigenous production.
Most of the things Nigerians can't do without is what Igbos provide

By the time, Nigeria divides, your Yoruba people would wait for a foreign investor from India to come and build a paracetamol plant for you as usual.
You need some achievements in your life, so you don't start counting importation by other tribesmen as your own achievement to be proud of.
Here are a list of 10 biggest pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria;

https://nigerianfinder.com/10-top-pharmaceutical-companies-in-nigeria/

2 on the list are owned by Yorubas.

So according to you only igbos are given license by God to import drugs, without igbos, all Nigerians will die for lack of drugs.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 2:28pm On Nov 03, 2019
gidgiddy:


I'm not talking about land borders, I'm talking about international water ways. The essence of using London as an example is to show that being landlocked is different from access to sea. London is landlocked city but has access to sea vis its water ways and handles much British shipping.

If Biafra turns out to be just the South East, it may be landlocked but it will still have access to the Sea via its water ways. Of course Biafra and Nigeria may have to reach an agreement on the movement of people and goods, however, Nigeria is duty bound to honour article 125(1) of UNCLOS which states:

Right of access to and from the sea and freedom of transit

1. Land-locked States shall have the right of access to and from the sea for the purpose of exercising the rights provided for in this Convention including those relating to the freedom of the high seas and the common heritage of mankind. To this end, land-locked States shall enjoy freedom of transit through the territory of transit States by all means of transport.


So anyone who thinks that Nigeria will have the exclusive right to do whatever it likes, or unduly prevent Biafra from having access to the sea, should perish the thought as international law which Nigeria is a signatory to prevents that.

You are approbating and reprobating at the same time. How can reach an agreement on the movement of people and goods and at the same time not have exclusive rights to do whatever you like.
Are you insinuating that Nigeria does not have exclusive rights on who it's allows into its land, maritime and airspace, because there is a landlocked country within its borders?
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by pazienza(m): 2:59pm On Nov 03, 2019
Any one thinking that Independent SE will accept Nigeria preventing her from having sea access in peace must be joking.

Biafra will only slowly stock up her military and fight her way to the sea coast, if Nigeria makes peaceful negotiations impossible. I doubt the minorities would accept turning their water ways and hometowns to war fronts, while you Yoruba and North enjoy your peace back home, just so that you can achieve your evil agenda of economically strangulating Biafra, and maintaining your Lagos sea port monopoly, when those minorities know that the wealth in economically prosperous Biafra will eventually trickle down to them as well, since they are surrounding Biafra territories.

My take is that both countries will be well mindful of the effect of not reaching a peaceful agreement on sea corridor for Biafra, and do the needful.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by pazienza(m): 3:09pm On Nov 03, 2019
Either way, like I said in the past, there will be no Nigeria as presently constituted post Biafra.

Biafra exit from Nigeria will be akin to Croatia exit from Yugoslavia. It will lead to a chain of reactions that will result in emergence of independent Ijaw, Urhobo, Akwacross Republics down south.

This is because the exit of Igbo from Nigeria will so tip the religious dynamics of Nigeria to 80-30 in favour of Muslims. It will also mean that Muslim Yorubas and North will rule Nigeria forever. It will unbalance the political demographic of Nigeria.

The only way Minorities will accept to stay with Yorubas and North in Nigeria post Biafra will be if Nigeria grants them resource control and
great deal of autonomy.
Such an autonomous SS will not be controlled by hateful beings from Lagos and Abuja. They would also seek to break the Lagos-Ibadan economic (Port) monopoly on Nigeria, they will know that cooperation with business minded Biafrans will be helpful in that regard.

But we know that a Nigeria with resource control for minorities is a useless one for Arewa-Odua, so my take is that they will not be much interested in such arrangement, meaning the earlier Yugoslavia like fission reactions I spoke of, will be the most likely scenario post Biafra seccession.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 3:11pm On Nov 03, 2019
pazienza:
Any one thinking that Independent SE will accept Nigeria preventing her from having sea access in peace must be joking.

Biafra will only slowly stock up her military and fight her way to the sea coast, if Nigeria makes peaceful negotiations impossible.

Nigeria isn't the one to make negotiations, Biafra would.

The coast is owned by Nigeria, if you want war with no negotiations to use Nigerian waters, Nigeria gives it to you just like in 1967 and stock up enough weapons and food without making Ojukwu's mistake.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by pazienza(m): 3:19pm On Nov 03, 2019
Area4Area:
Nigeria isn't the one to make negotiations, Biafra would.

The coast is owned by Nigeria, if you want war with no negotiations to use Nigerian waters, Nigeria gives it to you just like in 1967 and stock up enough weapons and food without making Ojukwu's mistake.


Nigeria = North is a landlocked area and in no position to be negotiating with Biafra for sea corridor, post Biafra.

The only way you are keeping SS minorities interested in dead Nigeria post Biafra is via granting of total resource control and autonomy to them.
Doing this eventually renders you impotent in these negotiations. Because the interest of those minorities, which would include avoiding opening theatre of war in their territory, while you enjoy peace in yours, will override your hateful ambitions.

Either way, independent Biafra will not be same as seceding Eastern Nigeria in 1967.
Independent Biafra will be able to negotiate trade deals with member states of UN for weapons as a sovereign nation, and would have global clout and support, especially pertaining it's right to sea access.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 3:28pm On Nov 03, 2019
pazienza:
Either way, like I said in the past, there will be no Nigeria as presently constituted post Biafra.

Biafra exit from Nigeria will be akin to Croatia exit from Yugoslavia. It will lead to a chain of reactions that will result in emergence of independent Ijaw, Urhobo, Akwacross Republics down south.

This is because the exit of Igbo from Nigeria will so tip the religious dynamics of Nigeria to 80-30 in favour of Muslims. It will also mean that Muslim Yorubas and North will rule Nigeria forever. It will unbalance the political demographic of Nigeria.

The only way Minorities will accept to stay with Yorubas and North in Nigeria post Biafra will be if Nigeria grants them resource control and
great deal of autonomy.
Such an autonomous SS will not be controlled by hateful beings from Lagos and Abuja. They would also seek to break the Lagos-Ibadan economic (Port) monopoly on Nigeria, they will know that cooperation with business minded Biafrans will be helpful in that regard.

But we know that a Nigeria with resource control for minorities is a useless one for Arewa-Odua, so my take is that they will not be much interested in such arrangement, making the earlier Yugoslavia like fission reactions I spoke of, the most likely scenario post Biafra seccession.

Go read about old Yugoslavia, USSR and Czechoslovakia and their agreements on separation. Continue hoping on others leaving Nigeria because you want to leave.

https://punchng.com/were-not-biafrans-ijaw-youths-tell-kanu-others/

https://thenationonlineng.net/just-in-ijaw-youths-stop-asari-dokubo-from-holding-biafran-meeting-in-bayelsa/

https://orientdailynews.com/news/isoko-urhobo-peoples-reject-inclusion-in-biafra/


https://www.rockcityfmradio.com/rivers-state-elders-reject-biafra-want-1963-constitution-adopted/

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/south-south-regional/235058-not-biafrans-akwa-ibom-group-says.html

They've all rejected Igbos and Biafra.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by pazienza(m): 3:36pm On Nov 03, 2019
Area4Area:
Go read about old Yugoslavia, USSR and Czechoslovakia and their agreements on separation. Continue hoping on others leaving Nigeria because you want to leave.

https://punchng.com/were-not-biafrans-ijaw-youths-tell-kanu-others/

https://thenationonlineng.net/just-in-ijaw-youths-stop-asari-dokubo-from-holding-biafran-meeting-in-bayelsa/

https://orientdailynews.com/news/isoko-urhobo-peoples-reject-inclusion-in-biafra/


https://www.rockcityfmradio.com/rivers-state-elders-reject-biafra-want-1963-constitution-adopted/

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/south-south-regional/235058-not-biafrans-akwa-ibom-group-says.html

They've all rejected Igbos and Biafra.

You are the one who needs to read.
The Exit of Croatia made Yugoslavia unstable and the rest were all rushing on their way out of the grip of the greedy Serbians.
That Those Minorities don't want Biafra does not mean they want to remain with Arewa-Odua. grin

They crave for total independence themselves and would not entertain union with you post Biafra, unless you are guaranteeing total resource control and autonomy for them, which would ruin the whole sweetness of one Nigeria for you now, wouldn't it? grin

Good luck getting them turn their region to theatre of war with independent Biafra, so that your hateful economic strangulation of Biafra will stand, while you enjoy peace in Lagos and Abuja.
You must think they are dimwitted, no?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 3:50pm On Nov 03, 2019
pazienza:


You are the one who needs to read.
The Exit of Croatia made Yugoslavia unstable and the rest were all rushing on their way out of the grip of the greedy Serbians.
That Those Minorities don't want Biafra does not mean they want to remain with Arewa-Odua. grin

They crave for total independence themselves and would not entertain union with you post Biafra, unless you are guaranteeing total resource control and autonomy for them, which would ruin the whole sweetness of one Nigeria for you now, wouldn't it? grin

Good luck getting them turn their region to theatre of war with independent Biafra, so that your hateful economic strangulation of Biafra will stand, while you enjoy peace in Lagos and Abuja.
You must think they are dimwitted, no?
Slovenia left first after a war in 1990 before Croatia.

You're still fixated on the SS minorities going their way even after not joining your Biafra, why not wait till then and stop banking your luck on something you ain't sure of for now.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by pazienza(m): 3:54pm On Nov 03, 2019
Area4Area:
Slovenia left first after a war in 1990 before Croatia.

Croatia exit was very much more significant.
Either way,, doesn't matter who first left.
What matters is that once one left, the rest couldn't envisage Co existing with Serbs anymore .

Substitute Serbs with Hausa-Fulani, and you will see where Nigeria will head to post Biafra.

In fact, the greatest fear of Biafran exit for the Caliphate and her defenders, is not actually Biafra exit, but the chain reactions such exit will trigger down south, and the big sacrifice( Total resource control and autonomy) they would have to sacrifice to stop the cascade.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by wirinet(m): 3:57pm On Nov 03, 2019
pazienza:


Nigeria = North is a landlocked area and in no position to be negotiating with Biafra for sea corridor, post Biafra.
North might be landlocked geographically, but politically it is not landlocked. The north can easy form an alliance with the west to get access to the sea. The north can even get access to the sea through Benin republic or Cameroun as they share borders and the Fulani tribes with these countries.
The south east on the other hand apart from being geographically landlocked are also politically landlocked. They have no friends and any alliance they purportly have is force or imposed. They want to impose an alliance with the south south with treats, insults and intimidation, not tact and diplomacy.


The only way you are keeping SS minorities interested in dead Nigeria post Biafra is via granting of total resource control and autonomy to them.
Just because the south east do not have oil in commercial quantity, they fail to understand oil politics. Small weak countries can never resource control. Oil is often controlled by powerful nations. Once Nigeria let go of Niger Delta oil, other countries would fight themselves for control. The various tribes and communities apart from being greedy are already at war with each other. The powerful countries will just arm various tribes, to kill each other while sucking the oil.
Even though the US says it wants to leave Syria, they have held tight onto kurd's oil fields, which Russia is not happy about, because Russia wants the oil fields.



Doing this eventual renders you impotent in these negotiations. Because the interest of those minorities, which would include avoiding opening theatre of war in their territory, while you enjoy peace in yours, will override your hateful ambitions.
How will there be war in our territory? How will a war between igbos and yorubas/Hausa-Fulanis be fought on our own soil. You mean the Igbo soldier will March from Umuahia and the Hausa soldier would march from kanu, they would then go to Yenagoa or Warri to fight.

If the igbos declare secession, Nigeria would have to take over the territory to bring it back, not leave it and invade another territory.


Either way, independent Biafra will not be same as seceding Eastern Nigeria.
Independent Biafra will be able to negotiate trade deals with member states of UN for weapons as a sovereign nation, and would have global clout and support, especially pertaining it's right to sea access.
You think buying weapons on the international stage is like ordering phone from aliexpress? Even Nigeria has to do a lot of lobbying to be able to buy weapons from the US, Russia, Israel, South Africa, China, etc., and you think a separatist group can just order weapons just like that.

The minute a group declares secession unilaterally, they would be branded terrorist by the Federal government, and it would be difficult for countries with diplomatic relations with Nigeria to do business with them.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 3:58pm On Nov 03, 2019
pazienza:


Croatia exit was very much more significant.
Either way,, doesn't matter who first left.
What matters is that once one left, the rest couldn't envisage Co existing with Serbs anymore .

Substitute Serbs with Hausa-Fulani, and you will see where Nigeria will head to post Biafra.

In fact, the greatest fear of Biafran exit for the Caliphate and her defenders, is not actually Biafra exit, but the chain reactions such exit will trigger down south, and the big sacrifice( Total resource control and autonomy) they would have to sacrifice to stop the cascade.

Go read about the disintegration of Yugoslavia to know where the problem started and how and why it finally dissolved.

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