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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by FEGNO: 1:50am On Oct 29, 2019
And we are enjoying now abi?
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by IGBOSON1: 2:35am On Oct 29, 2019
Kpoikpoi:
It's okay to dream my friend But the reality is that Switzerland is not surrounded by a particular country.
Check your facts before you deceive yourself, Switzerland is surrounded by
5 countries, France,Italy Austria,Germany and Liechtenstein.
The only country in the world that is completely surrounded by another country is Lesotho and I'm sure you know that their economy completely depends on South Africa.
Forget Biafra man,it will never happen.
You will just keep getting your people killed for nothing.

Leave us to worry about the problems we'll face as an independent country!

You people are so wicked! You keep on banging on about the obstacles and problems you think we will face in Biafra, and one wonders why all this concern all of a sudden! Ndigbo have been with you in 'one Nigeria' from the uncivil war till date, and it's not secret how you lot despise us and treat us like we're 2nd class citizens and a burden on you!

As we speak, you don't support us leaving your shithole and at the same time you say a Igbo man can't be president...that you wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Igbo man....and that come 2023, yet again it will be between the Yoruba and Fulani!

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Kpoikpoi: 2:53am On Oct 29, 2019
IGBOSON1:


Leave us to worry about the problems we'll face as an independent country!

You people are so wicked! You keep on banging on about the obstacles and problems you think we will face in Biafra, and one wonders why all this concern all of a sudden! Ndigbo have been with you in 'one Nigeria' from the uncivil war till date, and it's not secret how you lot despise us and treat us like we're 2nd class citizens and a burden on you!

As we speak, you don't support us leaving your shithole and at the same time you say a Igbo man can't be president...that you wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Igbo man....and that come 2023, yet again it will be between the Yoruba and Fulani!
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Kpoikpoi: 2:59am On Oct 29, 2019
Actually my only concern is that I am from the Niger Delta, Akwa Ibom State to be specific and the last time you tried the Biafra thing you got many of our people killed because you brought us into a problem that doesn't concern us.
You are trying to do the same thing again but we are wise now,no tribe will use the Ibibio people again.
If you want to do Biafra then do Biafra and leave us out of it.
We have our own problems ,we will deal with our own problems together with other oil rich tribes of the Niger Delta.
We don't want another parasite.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Tobichimezie: 3:20am On Oct 29, 2019
Kpoikpoi:
Actually my only concern is that I am from the Niger Delta, Akwa Ibom State to be specific and the last time you tried the Biafra thing you got many of our people killed because you brought us into a problem that doesn't concern us.
You are trying to do the same thing again but we are wise now,no tribe will use the Ibibio people again.
If you want to do Biafra then do Biafra and leave us out of it.
We have our own problems ,we will deal with our own problems together with other oil rich tribes of the Niger Delta.
We don't want another parasite.
Nobody gives a sh*t about Akwa Ibom you attention seeking idiot, Biafra is, has always been, and will always be an strictly Igbo speaking affair with sympathies, support, or inclusion through referendum by others willing to join. These idiotic narrative that Igbos are coercing you minorities is getting irritating already, maybe the few useless Igbos who are doing it are the ones making you clowns think the generality of us want you in Biafra, don't get it confused cause on average... we no send una... infact the useless deviants in Ipob who are in the habit of including non-Igbo speaking areas of the former Eastern region in the Biafran map have been sternly warned about it... cause every irrelevant Tom, Dick, and Harry who were never even in the Biafran plan now see and use every opportunity to insult all Igbos cause of the crazy opinion of a few... that has to stop, enough is enough.


And better be careful how you lump the whole Niger Delta into your hackneyed agenda, there are Igbos in the so called South South (I happen to be one) who proudly identify with the Igbo consciousness, and will bleed or die for it if need be! so better speak ONLY for your Ibibio tribe (even though I know Ibibio people have been good neighbors and friends to the Igbos for centuries)...

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by IGBOSON1: 3:58am On Oct 29, 2019
Kpoikpoi:
Actually my only concern is that I am from the Niger Delta, Akwa Ibom State to be specific and the last time you tried the Biafra thing you got many of our people killed because you brought us into a problem that doesn't concern us.
You are trying to do the same thing again but we are wise now,no tribe will use the Ibibio people again.
If you want to do Biafra then do Biafra and leave us out of it.
We have our own problems ,we will deal with our own problems together with other oil rich tribes of the Niger Delta.
We don't want another parasite.

Oh pulease...do yourself a favour and shut da hell up!

You're probably one of the other anti-Igbo/Biafra fools that's been on this thread all along, but now switched to one of your 'we south-south' monikers since the other ones were getting beat silly!

If it doesn't make sense it's not normally true! No true son of Akwa-Ibom would spout this tripe of 'you Igbo got my people killed', while leaving the main culprits and instigators/actors of the pogrom up north in '66 that eventually led to the war! You conveniently overlook the efforts made by the East to avoid war (Aburi accord) which were promptly rejected the moment Gowon returned to Nigeria and presented it to his Fulani masters! You conveniently forget that killings of easterners (yes, not just Igbos were slaughtered up north) continued unabated even after Ojukwu told them the Gowon gov't had assured they would put an end to it!

Can you explain how Biafra or Ndigbo intend to 'use' the Ibibio in the event of a seperation from Nigeria? Explain how in this day and age, the Igbo will force the Ibibio to do anything they don't wanna do! You keep on bleating like a goat about a feared Igbo 'domination' in Biafra, but you're doing nada about the Fulani domination that's real, live and in your face as we speak! Explain how Igbo will 'dominate' the Ibibio when all ethnicities/nations would be joining the newly emergent nation as equal partners....that is assuming the Ibibio elect to go with Biafra and not stay to continue their 'love affair' with the kindly and fairminded Fulani in Nigeria!

And for your information, i'm also from that Niger Delta of which you speak, so look for another excuse!

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:00am On Oct 29, 2019
Tobichimezie:

I can swear with my life that you are some shameless and hopelessly miserable "mama borrow me money make I buy data" piece of garbage, see these wretched product of a DNA gone wrong who has the gall to talk big talk, you don chop today? ... I blame the anonymity of the internet dey really give you small nonentities audacity to chat sh*t grin everybody na e-gangster! funny thing is you're typically the big talking nonce who will always cower in obeisance and fright when you are among Igbos, dem never born you well to confront any Igbo you know or see with your noise! Las Las na still Igbos dey feed, clothe, house, and fucck all your sister's and family members.
E pepper you wella, I wonder why most of you run away from the truth, why the pretence? Next time you open up on me, know that I'll pounce on you.
You stay outside Igboland and claiming to be Igbo more than those staying at home and preserving the culture for all. "My mama say I be IBO", we are not mates, juo ese(ask around).

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:09am On Oct 29, 2019
RTSC:

I was actually enjoying the thread and thr convo until you posted this threat above.

Since you can't win with logic, you decide to use threat.

What a shame.
If you kill off 20 million igbo who are the most industrious Nigerians anyway, do you think your country will ever have hope of developing?
When you have off killed the greater part of the quality human capital that Nigeria has in any field of human endeavor, how will that make your life better?
Is it the almajiris in the north that will make Nigeria great?

I don't support secession, neither do I support psychos like you.
Chest beating as usual.
No threats here but the reality, you can't get Biafra by mere asking, Nigeria will fight to protect her territorial integrity and sovereignty since we don't have a referendum and secession clause in our constitution.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:18am On Oct 29, 2019
amuwo1980:

Stupidity cannot begin to describe you, yes that 40 million that will go will comprise essentially of u and your siblings, the war u are envisaging this time will not be fought just in the south east, lagos, Abuja, illesha, ibadan, akure, sokoto ,Jos etc will all be battle fields
That number would include you since you want a repeat of 1967, this time would be worse than the Holocaust. Nobody wants a war but don't think the Nigerian state would agree to a dismemberment of her territory. See you fighting everywhere you mentioned when you'd have been shoved away from those places
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:26am On Oct 29, 2019
awgumayor:
The way you are trying so hard to snatch ph from igbos is amazing. Anyway, I likened ph to Jerusalem. The way the Jews came and start reclaiming what is theirs. Should igbos lose PH now to niger delta or whatever, they will still claim it the future. I'm predicting to you what will happen.
Ask your parents or anybody older and witnessed the happenings in PH in 1967 then come back, stop getting deceived by IPOB, Igbos would lose PH.
Abandoned properties of Igbos in PH is already a long forgotten issue, another one would happen if you try trash again.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:31am On Oct 29, 2019
awgumayor:
Igbos are not hoping on other regions on what they will do. Ignos are hoping on themselves on what to do after their exit. A free man can do exploit but a subjugated man can't prosper. They only thing igbos want is FREEDOM.
If Nigeria can squeeze them like this why jittery at the mention of BIAFRA.
Nigeria and Nigerians are not jittery over nothing, it is Igbos that are jittery over their loss in lives and property.
The north had even told the Igbos to leave and go get Biafra, who went begging northern leaders?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:35am On Oct 29, 2019
LabDNA:


What do you really want from the Igbo. You are against their seccesion, you are still running amok campaigning against their presidency. Are you going to be poor and still be a witch? I ga bu di ogbenye buru amusu?
Stay in Nigeria and you call others unity beggars; leave Nigeria and you start shouting " planned genocide " and threatening to write to UN, EU, US, ICJ etc.
You being poor and a witch is up to you

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:37am On Oct 29, 2019
Limitless72:





You just blinded with hate...
I don't dispute the fact that Biafra( provided it comprises of only Igbo extraction) would feel the pain, of course she's a newbie,, but I can assure you 10years later they would be greater than Nigeria ....

You can enact all your vile laws on those of them that would be residing in different part of Nigeria, thier properties, business , et al. Truth is it's would kill your FDI, your sea port in Lagos and PH would shut down, because you would force them to find another partner...

Talking about market size,, the Igbos have it,, ONITSHA, ABA in subsequent years would be bigger than Lagos.....

Fund allocated would be utilize for it sole purpose,, the impact of the budget would be felt everywhere.. Not like Nigeria that would allocate 3.1bn for just presidential voyages...Cost of governance would be drastically reduced unlike Nigeria,, their industries would be highly functional...

Bleep oil....!
UK doesn't have oil but is better than Nigeria..
Do you know IMO AND ABIA STATE also have oil..?
If Nigeria like they should close all her borders, the igbos are extremely productive and resourceful unlike Niger and Benin republic that depend on Nigeria, the Igbos don't ...


....and truth is in that ten years of unprecedented growth Nigeria won't grow because she would still be engulf in ethnic and religious rift,,, the hausa-fulani would still want to continue with thier hegemony which won't continue for long... The south south too would want to secede, every part of the country would be trembling... The fight of which ethnic extraction should be president.....


Guy just forget it .......
If the Igbos should go,
Nigeria won't survive the shock.....
That move would automatically call for secession by other ethnicity........


Mind you I don't support Biafra....
But they are still my brothers/family
Stop talking like Nigeria would overwhelm them if worse come to worse..........
Can your Nigeria with all her geography, work force, military might challenge Israel (one small country that her workforce isn't up to 35million)
When you are done rapping, let me know

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 4:49am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Nigeria is a democratic republic and these laws are in operation for now, what makes you think that Biafrans that are now foreigners and aliens would be exempted?
According to Nigeria's alien land act, only corporate companies can buy land and own properties, no private foreigner can, so private Igbo land and property owners would lose all. MTN, Shell etc are free to have properties in Nigeria because these are foreign corporate companies but no foreign individual can, not even the owner of the company.

Botswana, Ethiopia, Switzerland, Austria etc doing better than Nigeria today have agreements with their neighbours with sea access, what agreement does Biafra have in that regard with Nigeria, none.

Biafran students in Nigerian higher institutions would be made to go get their papers and student's Visa's and must pay twice or thrice what Nigerians pay.

Nigeria could decide to redesign her currency after some months and your naira would no longer be acceptable in Nigeria. Some say you'd print Biafran pounds and it would be at par with the British pound and I laugh, what gold or foreign reserve do you have to back up the value? It would tumble like the Zimbabwean dollar, from 1 Biafran pound to a British pound and in a month's time, 1 million Biafran pounds to a British pound. It's no rocket science.

Remember you are surrounded by Nigeria.

So Biafra needs Nigeria for actualization because we don't have any referendum nor secession clause in the constitution and needs Nigeria for the sustainance of Biafra's independence.

As I said earlier, you nor other Igbos don't feel the feel the effect of the laws, become a foreigner and you'd understand.
lol omoluabi easy o.
No dey scare these people jarey.
The only way Nigeria will blockade an independent and internationally recognised Biafra (landlocked or not) is if Nigeria itself want to be placed under heavy sanctions.

There are internationally recognised rights for landlocked countries.

Me thinks the hardest part of this their Biafra thingy is to actually get it and have it recognised. Once the Igbos do this, they have solved their problems by 70%. Any other issues can be gradually solved. They have until the end of time to keep solving any matters arising. And as you know, that's a long long time.

They may suffer in the short term but it would be so so worth it in the long term. That's the fact

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:49am On Oct 29, 2019
gidgiddy:


You are wrong for 3 reasons.

Firstly, it is not a must that an area must have a coastline before becoming an independent country. There are over 40 landlocked countries in the world and many of them are doing well. Switzerland is a landlocked country of just 8 million people but Switzerland is richer than Nigeria

Secondly, even if Igbo land was in the centre of Nigeria, which it isnt, it still does not stop it bring an independent country. Lesotho and Swaziland are two independence countries, yet both of them are inside South Africa

Thirdly, it depends on what you mean by Niger Delta. If by Niger Delta you mean states like Delta state and Rivers state then it might shock to know that Nigeria actually has 7 Igbo Governors.

1. Wille Obiano
2. Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi
3. Ifeanyi Okowa
4 Emeka Ihedioha
5. Dave Umahi
6. Nyesom Ezebunwo Wile
7. Okezue Ikpeazu

Many Nigerians have been brainwashed into believing that Igbo land is limited to the South East. In reality, large tracts of Igbo land were used to make up the population of Delta, Benue and Rivers state.

The real map of Igbo land which was drawn by the colonial master when the came to West Africa is below and it can be seen that it not landlocked. Many people dont even know that much of Portharcourt belongs to the Ikwerre-Igbo people

Igbos can be an independent nation with no problem and they are better off out of the failed disaster of a country called Nigeria
Igboland and your Biafra is landlocked and surrounded by Nigerian territory and there's nothing you can do about it.
Biafra can only succeed and survive if it has a firm agreement with Nigeria, failure to do that is death.
You can't use Nigerian seaports without any agreement with her, your claim on PH is null and void, stop deceiving yourself and others.

Most Ika, Ikwerre, Igbanke and even Anioma people have denied being called Igbos and you go on claiming their territory causing more hate for Igbos. Go and steal PH na and let's see what the owners would tell you, you better ask people what happened to Igbos in the city during the war and stop deceiving yourself.

Okowa of Delta state and Wike of Rivers state are Ika and Ikwerre respectively, their people detaste that Igbo affiliation so stop the attaché by force, it doesn't help your cause.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:56am On Oct 29, 2019
Kpoikpoi:
It's okay to dream my friend But the reality is that Switzerland is not surrounded by a particular country.
Check your facts before you deceive yourself, Switzerland is surrounded by
5 countries, France,Italy Austria,Germany and Liechtenstein.
The only country in the world that is completely surrounded by another country is Lesotho and I'm sure you know that their economy completely depends on South Africa.
Forget Biafra man,it will never happen.
You will just keep getting your people killed for nothing.
Don't mind them, they think their phantom Biafra will become paradise on nairaland, instead of facing the basic Truth, they won't, only deceiving themselves

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 4:58am On Oct 29, 2019
IGBOSON1:


Leave us to worry about the problems we'll face as an independent country!

You people are so wicked! You keep on banging on about the obstacles and problems you think we will face in Biafra, and one wonders why all this concern all of a sudden! Ndigbo have been with you in 'one Nigeria' from the uncivil war till date, and it's not secret how you lot despise us and treat us like we're 2nd class citizens and a burden on you!

As we speak, you don't support us leaving your shithole and at the same time you say a Igbo man can't be president...that you wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Igbo man....and that come 2023, yet again it will be between the Yoruba and Fulani!
Go and get your Biafra and don't cry genocide if the rest of Nigeria beg you to leave, you won't be missed.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 5:00am On Oct 29, 2019
Tobichimezie:

Nobody gives a sh*t about Akwa Ibom you attention seeking idiot, Biafra is, has always been, and will always be an strictly Igbo speaking affair with sympathies, support, or inclusion through referendum by others willing to join. These idiotic narrative that Igbos are coercing you minorities is getting irritating already, maybe the few useless Igbos who are doing it are the ones making you clowns think the generality of us want you in Biafra, don't get it confused cause on average... we no send una... infact the useless deviants in Ipob who are in the habit of including non-Igbo speaking areas of the former Eastern region in the Biafran map have been sternly warned about it... cause every irrelevant Tom, Dick, and Harry who were never even in the Biafran plan now see and use every opportunity to insult all Igbos cause of the crazy opinion of a few... that has to stop, enough is enough.


And better be careful how you lump the whole Niger Delta into your hackneyed agenda, there are Igbos in the so called South South (I happen to be one) who proudly identify with the Igbo consciousness, and will bleed or die for it if need be! so better speak ONLY for your Ibibio tribe (even though I know Ibibio people have been good neighbors and friends to the Igbos for centuries)...
Go and get your landlocked Biafra surrounded by Nigeria and stop disturbing the rest of us.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 5:03am On Oct 29, 2019
IGBOSON1:


Oh pulease...do yourself a favour and shut da hell up!

You're probably one of the other anti-Igbo/Biafra fools that's been on this thread all along, but now switched to one of your 'we south-south' monikers since the other ones were getting beat silly!

If it doesn't make sense it's not normally true! No true son of Akwa-Ibom would spout this tripe of 'you Igbo got my people killed', while leaving the main culprits and instigators/actors of the pogrom up north in '66 that eventually led to the war! You conveniently overlook the efforts made by the East to avoid war (Aburi accord) which were promptly rejected the moment Gowon returned to Nigeria and presented it to his Fulani masters! You conveniently forget that killings of easterners (yes, not just Igbos were slaughtered up north) continued unabated even after Ojukwu told them the Gowon gov't had assured they would put an end to it!

Can you explain how Biafra or Ndigbo intend to 'use' the Ibibio in the event of a seperation from Nigeria? Explain how in this day and age, the Igbo will force the Ibibio to do anything they don't wanna do! You keep on bleating like a goat about a feared Igbo 'domination' in Biafra, but you're doing nada about the Fulani domination that's real, live and in your face as we speak! Explain how Igbo will 'dominate' the Ibibio when all ethnicities/nations would be joining the newly emergent nation as equal partners....that is assuming the Ibibio elect to go with Biafra and not stay to continue their 'love affair' with the kindly and fairminded Fulani in Nigeria!

And for your information, i'm also from that Niger Delta of which you speak, so look for another excuse!
SS minorities have said it on numerous occasions that you give them a break and stop including them in your phantom Biafra but some of you wouldn't listen, leave them alone and stop the attaché by force.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 5:14am On Oct 29, 2019
jacksonkennedy:
lol omoluabi easy o.
No dey scare these people jarey.
The only way Nigeria will blockade an independent and internationally recognised Biafra (landlocked or not) is if Nigeria itself want to be placed under heavy sanctions.

There are internationally recognised rights for landlocked countries.

Me thinks the hardest part of this their Biafra thingy is to actually get it and have it recognised. Once the Igbos do this, they have solved their problems by 70%. Any other issues can be gradually solved. They have until the end of time to keep solving any matters arising. And as you know, that's a long long time.

They may suffer in the short term but it would be so so worth it in the long term. That's the fact
Nigeria's border has been shut to Niger republic and who has sanctioned her, remember that Niger republic is landlocked.
Nigeria could decide to slam imports and exports to and from Biafra by 200% and nobody would do anything. Biafra would've been lucky if it has a boundary with any other country but no, Nigeria surrounds it and can make or mar her success.
I'm not Yoruba mind you

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 5:25am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Nigeria's border has been shut to Niger republic and who has sanctioned her, remember that Niger republic is landlocked.
Nigeria could decide to slam imports and exports to and from Biafra by 200% and nobody would do anything. Biafra would've been lucky if it has a boundary with any other country but no, Nigeria surrounds it and can make or mar her success.
I'm not Yoruba mind you
Nigeria shut it's border to stop goods coming in from Niger. Not to stop goods going in to Niger .
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by RTSC: 5:26am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Chest beating as usual.
No threats here but the reality, you can't get Biafra by mere asking, Nigeria will fight to protect her territorial integrity and sovereignty since we don't have a referendum and secession clause in our constitution.
If you removed your head from your ass, you would be humble enough to admit the truth.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 5:28am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Igboland and your Biafra is landlocked and surrounded by Nigerian territory and there's nothing you can do about it.
Biafra can only succeed and survive if it has a firm agreement with Nigeria, failure to do that is death.
You can't use Nigerian seaports without any agreement with her, your claim on PH is null and void, stop deceiving yourself and others.

Most Ika, Ikwerre, Igbanke and even Anioma people have denied being called Igbos and you go on claiming their territory causing more hate for Igbos. Go and steal PH na and let's see what the owners would tell you, you better ask people what happened to Igbos in the city during the war and stop deceiving yourself.

Okowa of Delta state and Wike of Rivers state are Ika and Ikwerre respectively, their people detaste that Igbo affiliation so stop the attaché by force, it doesn't help your cause.
I don't think this is true. I saw this on his Instagram once

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 5:42am On Oct 29, 2019
And the idea that we the Yorubas will remain in Nigeria after the igbos go is just laughable.

What for?

Awolowo's stand still holds...
If the igbos go, we go.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by mauriceju2(m): 5:55am On Oct 29, 2019
Fear Igbo man, the south South in the former Eastern region were not happy and they don't want again
IGBOSON1:


Oh pulease...do yourself a favour and shut da hell up!

You're probably one of the other anti-Igbo/Biafra fools that's been on this thread all along, but now switched to one of your 'we south-south' monikers since the other ones were getting beat silly!

If it doesn't make sense it's not normally true! No true son of Akwa-Ibom would spout this tripe of 'you Igbo got my people killed', while leaving the main culprits and instigators/actors of the pogrom up north in '66 that eventually led to the war! You conveniently overlook the efforts made by the East to avoid war (Aburi accord) which were promptly rejected the moment Gowon returned to Nigeria and presented it to his Fulani masters! You conveniently forget that killings of easterners (yes, not just Igbos were slaughtered up north) continued unabated even after Ojukwu told them the Gowon gov't had assured they would put an end to it!

Can you explain how Biafra or Ndigbo intend to 'use' the Ibibio in the event of a seperation from Nigeria? Explain how in this day and age, the Igbo will force the Ibibio to do anything they don't wanna do! You keep on bleating like a goat about a feared Igbo 'domination' in Biafra, but you're doing nada about the Fulani domination that's real, live and in your face as we speak! Explain how Igbo will 'dominate' the Ibibio when all ethnicities/nations would be joining the newly emergent nation as equal partners....that is assuming the Ibibio elect to go with Biafra and not stay to continue their 'love affair' with the kindly and fairminded Fulani in Nigeria!

And for your information, i'm also from that Niger Delta of which you speak, so look for another excuse!

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by mauriceju2(m): 6:06am On Oct 29, 2019
To the South South people Igbo are not different from Fulai, that is why they don't want biafra,
We know the true history of Nigeria , initially Igbo never never never want Nigeria to divide because they were ruling and dominating everything and everyone but along the line the north out smart them, the reason they want biafra is because they want another small Nigeria with Calabar and Rivers people where they will be able to rule without challenge
Igbo are hiding the true history of Nigeria from us because they are the cause of what Nigeria is going through now, though the way Igbo are treated in Nigeria is not good, there should be justice and fair play so that we can move forward

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by mauriceju2(m): 6:07am On Oct 29, 2019
WHAT BIAFRANS WILL NEVER TELL YOU ABOUT THE REAL CAUSE OF THEIR WOES IN NIGERIA TODAY:

The Igbo man is known to enjoy blaming the Hausafulanis, Yorubas and indeed every other Nigerian tribe and Lord Luggard/Britain for their third class citizen status of Nigeria. In their perpetual attempts to a play the victim card, they recount the political events of Nigeria from 1914 to the present in a half-baked and highly selective manner which cleverly avoids the mention of the roles played by their elite who by all natural laws of judgement were actually responsible for the woes that befell not only the Igbo race but the entire Nigeria. 
The story told in the post above is one of such selective and distorted accounts of history which the average Igbo man is fond of. 
However, the national archives have the complete and unedited history of Nigeria regarding the political events beginning from even before 1914. I will therefore proceed to furnish this house with the complete story for all to read and be endowed with enough facts so as to judge from an informed position.

Shortly after the 1914 Amalgamation of the Northern and Southern Protectorates, it started getting clear that the country was bound to fail as the amalgamation in question was done by colonial fiat without the consent of the different tribes which were over 300. This prompted the political leaders to start asking for de-amalgamation so as to forestall the future danger which the forced amalgamation portended. 
To that end, Ahmadu Bello, speaking on behalf of the Northern protectorate in 1944 described the amalgamation as "The mistake of 1914 which if allowed to remain will ultimately lead to unstoppable bloodshed and a failed country". 
Awolowo, speaking on behalf of the Yorubas and Western minorities, described Nigeria as a mere geographical expression not qualified to be a called a country let alone a nation. Awolowo added that if the amalgamation could not be reversed, then Nigeria should be structured as a strictly federal state so as to enable each tribe enjoy autonomy this freedom from being dominated by any other tribe. 

But Nnamdi Azikiwe, speaking for the Igbos, denounced Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello, termed them ethnic champions, accused them of nursing a sectional agenda against the unity of Nigeria, and declared that the Unity of Nigeria was non-negotiable. 

After moving motion for independece in 1953, Anthony Enahoro proposed that a secession clause should be incorporated into the future constipation of Nigeria so as to give legal backing for any tribe to peacefully exit the forced union if it feels marginalized in future. According to Enahoro, such provision in our constitution would instill in all Nigeria's future leaders the fear of the consequences of misgovernance. But Azikiwe, speaking on behalf of Igbos, rose against him in the parliament and labelled him an agent of disunity, and enemy of Nigeria. At a later date, Awolowo too made a case for secession clause, buy Azikiwe again resisted him and instigated the colonial authorities to threaten him and Enahoro with charges of treasonable felony if they didn't stop proposing secession clause for the future constipation. While Azikiwe did all this, Igbos cheered and urged him on because they felt the future Nigeria was theirs to dominate and lord it over every other tribe 

Before independece, Tafawa Balewa too had in a public speech described Nigeria as a British experiment and Nigeria's unity as a British intention which Nigerians themselves don't believe in. But Azikiwe kicked demonized him too. Had Azikiwe co-operated with Enahoro, Awolowo, Ahmadu Bello and Tafawa Balewa about the secession clause, Nigeria perhaps would not have been this misgoverned.

For those in doubt, here is a link of one of the numerous instances in which Nnamdi Azikiwe fought against the secession clause proposal for the future Nigeria constitution. 


https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2017/06/my-opposition-to-secession-zik/

It should be noted that there were many Igbo members of the parliament in which Azikiwe fought against Awolowo's secession clause proposal in the link above, but not a single one of them rose against Azikiwe or condemned him.

Igbos initially never wanted to hear anything like secession in Nigeria because they so much believed, though falsely, that they were the most educated tribe. (The first Nigerian tribe to produce a university graduate is the Binis).
As an evidence of Igbo domination agenda hence their initial resistance to the idea of secession; here are some quotes: 
"From all indications, the god of us Igbos have destined us to rule the whole of Africa"..... Nnamdi Azikiwe (1945).

"It is getting clearer each day that Igbo domination of Nigeria is just a question of time"... Oscar Onyeamma. (1949)
As at 1900, the whole of the present Benue State, Kogi East Senatorial District and some southern parts of Taraba State called Munchi District back then; were all in the Southern Protectorate. Whoever doubts this should consult MacMillan Atlas for secondary schools in Nigeria. 
With that situation the South had a higher population than the North hence always had an upper hand in any democratic bargain. 
But as at the early fifties when the regions were being created, common sense dictated clearly that these areas should fall in the future Eastern Region. But against common sense, the colonial masters decided to gerrymander them into the Northern Region. While they did that, the Azikiwe who was supposed to be in Enugu fighting against it as the leader of the East, was far away in Ibadan struggling with Awolowo to rule the Western Region and also playing the spoiler role against Awolowo's attempts to have Kwara and present Kogi Yorubas carved into the Western Region from the North which was already too large by landmass.
While he abandoned his burning house and was far away in Ibadan struggling against Awolowo for his own (Awolowo's) region, Igbos saw absolutely nothing wrong with that. Rather they applauded him as a nationalist. A nationalist whose house was burning yet busy chasing rats in a far away land.
When opinions became unanimous that Lord Luggard and his government must be forced out of Nigeria and indeed the whole of Africa, it was still the Igbos that frustrated the attempts. Here is how: 
In 1948, Anthony Enahoro organized an anti-colonization symposium in Lagos for which Azikiwe and some other Igbos had agreed to deliver the keynote address. 
But when the D-day came, Azikiwe was nowhere to be found as he deliberately disappeared into thin air for fear of being arrested and dealt with by Lord Luggard. 
Anthony Enahoro then quickly replaced Azikiwe with another person who did the job improptu but perfectly well as he lambasted and lampooned Lord Luggard and the British Government. However, the British soldiers invaded the symposium venue, arrested the speaker and Enahoro and jailed them for treasonable felony. 
Ironically, the next day Azikiwe came out of hiding and granted a radio interview in which he accused Enahoro and the other organizers of suffering from youthful exhuberance. 
On regaining his freedom few weeks later and being told of Azikiwe's radio interview, Enahoro resigned from his post as Editor of Azikiwe's newspaper - The West African Pilot. 
Then he wrote a book titled "Nnamdi Azikiwe: Sinner of Saint". 
After laughing the book, Enahoro left Azikiwe's party - the NCNC, and moved over to Awolowo's Action Group.
The first military coup in Nigeria was carried out by majority Igbo army officers. That was the coup that truncated democracy just six years post Independence and led to a succession of coups which put the country on the reverse gear for 33 years. 
Through that first coup, those Igbo army officers who accused the politicians and government of the day of monumental corruption, killed the political leaders of the Northern, Western and Midwestern Regions but allowed all Igbo political figures escape by tipping them off prior to the D-Day. In addition to the killing of political figures, they also killed a total of 27 innocent high ranking military officers from every region except their Eastern Region. 
In the end an Igbo man called Aguiyi Ironsi, who was supposed to have been killed alongside other military officers, ended up becoming the new military ruler of Nigeria. Rather than immediately arrest and punish the coup plotters, he kept them in detention where they were treated as heros. This was actually what sowed the seed for the eventual Biafra War. On the 23rd of February 1966 (i.e. a month and 8 days after the first coup porpularly but wrongly known as Nzeogwu coup, an Ijaw born Army officer called Isaac Adaka Boro who hailed from Kaima town of present Bayelsa State, declared the secession of the Niger Delta Republic in an attempt to free his Ijaw people from the monumental marginalization they had been suffering under Igbos in the old Eastern Region. 
But Aguiyi Ironsi immediately ordered Colonel Odumegwu Ojukwu to arrest him and hand him over to the military high command under him in Lagos. Ojukwu went all out against Isaac Adaka Boro with federal military might and within 12 fighting days killed 150 Isaac Boro's soldiers, arrested him, stripped him Unclad, and had him driven to Lagos and handed to Ironsi who immediately charged him to court and within two months secured against him a conviction of treasonable felony for which he was sentenced to death by hanging fixed for December that year by the Supreme Court. His 'crime' was that he declared secession of The Niger Delta Republic from Nigeria. Meanwhile the Igbo coupists who shed innocent blood of other tribes and even sprayed bullets into the bellies of the pregnant wives of Ahmadu Bello and Brigadier Shodeinde were not charged to court or arraigned before any military tribunal. 

Isaac Adaka Boro was in detention waiting for December to come for him to join his ancestors. But God so kind, a revenge coup happened on July 29 by Northern soldiers and Ironsi was overthrown and killed. Gowon took over and released Isaac Adaka Boro unconditionally, reinstated him into the Army with his previous rank. 
Then on May 30, 1967, Ojukwu too declared secession of Biafra Republic from Nigeria and without consulting or apologising to Isaac Boro's, drew a Biafra map which included the very areas that made up Isaac Adaka Boro's earlier declared Niger Delta Republic for which he fought against him and killed his soldiers. 
Seeing such level of arrogance in Ojukwu, Isaac Boro asked Gowon to provide arms for him to crush Biafra by fighting on the Nigerian side in vengeance for Ojukwu's frustration of his own secession declaration 15 months earlier. 
Isaac Boro, as an Ijaw man conversant with the waterways, led the Nigeria Army through the coastal areas into Igbo land to finish off thousands of Ojukwu's soldiers thus leading to the crushing defeat of Biafra. 
But today, Igbos accuse Ijaws of betraying them in the war. But from the facts as above, who really betrayed the other in all honesty? Be the judge.
Why Gowon fought against Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra was as follows: 
After Ironsi and Ojukwu successfully crushed Isaac Boro's Niger Delta Republic declaration, Ironsi immediately proceeded to promulgate the Anti-secession Decree which made the mere mention of secession from Nigeria punishable with death by hanging. Ojukwu openly supported and endorsed the decree despite disapproval of it by the general public. So when Ojukwu later declared Biafra secession, he was reminded of the Anti-secession Decree made by him and his brother Ironsi.
Deadly Truth: Igbos frequently reference Aburi Accord to create the impression that the rest Nigerian tribes don't honour agreements. This is a very dishonest narrative from Igbos. 
First and foremost Aburi Accord was organized by soldiers and unelected civil servants who should not participate in political exercises like making laws due to the civil service anonymity principle. Secondly, those civil servants and military men in attendance were not elected by their federal constituencies to the Aburi summit. In the philosophy of democracy the only universally acceptable way of making laws is through duly elected representatives of the people. But in going to Aburi the peoples' representatives duly elected in the 1965 elections were all sidelined for soldiers to hijacked the process. Where on earth do soldiers make laws for the people? Rather the civilian populace makes laws that guide the military. Aburi Accord therefore had no seal of the people's sovereignty hence it was an illegality which shouldn't have been allowed to stand. 
Thirdly, in 1957, Nigerians from all federal constituencies democratically elected representatives whom they sponsored to London, paid their flight tickets and hotel accommodation for the Independence constitutional conference. Those representatives all resolved and agreed on federalism marked by regional autonomy and resource control in the Independence constitution which they brought back home and everyone accepted it.
In that constitution, Nigerians all agreed that on no account shall the military take over power. It was also clearly stated in it that ammendments to it could be done by only democratically elected respresentatives. 
That constitution was the first ever agreement between all Nigerians. 
On the day of his inauguration as the Army GoC, Aguiyi Ironsi stood before the whole world and with his own mouth swore to protect and defend that sovereign Independence constitution regardless of the circumstances that may later arise. But just six years after he manufactured an excuse to clinic power against the clear provisions of that constitution we all agreed to, unilaterally began to amnend its provisions with his very offensive Decrees, and ended up dismantling the federalism and resource control therein, and ultimately subverted that constitution we all painstakingly sacrificed to draft. That was the height of irresponsibly and dishonoring of sacred agreement. That was how Igbos breached the first agreement we ever all mutually consented to, thus laying the foundation for violation of future agreements. So Aburi Accord was only treated exactly the same way Igbos treated the Independence constitution agreement.
Obasanjo removed history from d school curriculum hence d reason why many of wat we know of d eventualities in Biafra war were altered to suite their narratives

How Zik Handed Over Control Of Others In Nigeria To Fulani Oligarchy.

A few days ago, I got a message from a Young Yoruba citizen. He writes and I quote: 

"I believe Fulani is Yoruba's number one enemy which we all knew how the British handed over Nigeria to them."

This is not the truth. The British did not hand over Nigeria to the Fulani. 

Parliamentary elections were held in Nigeria on 12 December 1959. The result was a hung parliament with no clear majority to form a government. 

Zik's National Council of Nigeria and Cameroons (NCNC), came first with 2,594,577 votes to get 81 seats.

Awolowo's Action Group (AG), came second with 1,992,364 votes to get only 73 seats. 

However, the Ahmadu Bello's Northern People's Congress (NPC), came a distant third with 1,922,179 votes to get 134 of the 312 seats in the House of Representatives despite getting less public votes. 

The above three major political parties in the election did not get enough number of the seats to form a government. An alliance had to be formed to determine who would rule. 

It was a no brainer that Zik's NCNC and Awolowo's Action Group should make a coalition government as they came first and second respectively. Awolowo, then humbled himself and volunteered to be a Deputy Prime Minister or Finance Minister in a coalition government with Zik as the Prime Minister. This was because the Zik's NCNC party had more public votes and seats than the Awolowo's Action Group. 

Zik invited Awolowo’s team to Asaba, the gateway between the Yoruba's Western Region and the Igbo's Eastern Region to hold coalition talks. The talks were a clever ruse to keep Action Group’s hopes high, so that Action Group would be kept distracted from meeting with other minor parties for talks, including: Northern Elements Progressive Union with 8 seats; Mobolaje Grand Alliance with 6 seats; Igala Union with 4 seats; Independents Candidates with 4 seats; Igbira Tribal Union with 4 seats and the Niger Delta Congress with 1 seat.

Whilst the Action Group team was waiting in Asaba for a meeting with the NCNC, they read in the news that Zik and the NCNC had gone up North and clinched the deal with Ahmadu Bello on forming a coalition government with the NPC.

Tafawa Balewa, a Fulani, would be the Prime Minister of Nigeria while Zik would be the figure head Governor-General. Even Nkrumah of Ghana was shocked. He asked Zik why having spent so much energy fighting for colonial emancipation and then settling for a toothless bulldog role when Nigeria needed him the most.

Zik wrote in his autobiography why he did not form a coalition government with Awolowo.

In 1947, with over £13,500 raised from the Yoruba people and given to the NCNC, Zik had led other six prominent NCNC delegates to London to protest the “obnoxious laws” of Governor Arthur Richards. The trip ended in failure with backbiting, abuses and accusation of theft against Zik. Zik’s opponents at the NCNC, accused him of squandering the money and the trust of Nigerians.

Zik replied insinuating that the Yoruba on the team, that are: Mrs. Fumilayo Ransome-Kuti, Prince Adeleke Adedoyin, and Dr. A. B. Olorunnimbe, were the problem. 

There erupted a heated and prolonged press war between Zik’s Political Reminiscence in his West African Pilot and H.O. Davies’ Political Panorama in the Daily Service. This led to Igbo in Lagos rushing to buy machetes in large numbers thinking a tribal war was imminent. The Governor and his General Secretary, Hugh Foot, quickly called Zik and H.O. Davies to order at the Government House.

Zik went away with the resolve that “the Yoruba must not be allowed to rule over others in Nigeria”. And afterwards in the Daily Service published the speech of Zik in 1949 about Igbo been destined by God to conquer and rule over others. This among others, will explain why Zik rejected Awolowo's offer of a coalition government in 1959 and instead worked with the Fulani. 

The Fulani had been reading Zik and the Igbo through the lens of his 1949 speech ever since. The Fulani way of neutralising Zik when the opportunity came in 1959 was to offer him a powerless post, which surprisingly Zik and the NCNC dutifully accepted in place of being Nigeria’s first Prime Minister. 

Zik had thought that the Igbo can easily manipulate the Fulani in place of the educated Yoruba. He thus manipulated Balewa to arrest Awolowo in 1962 and to have him jailed for 10 years in 1963. 

Zik also manipulated Balewa to remove from the Western Region the Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri and Western Ijaw that account for 70% of the oil wealth in Nigeria and created for them the Mid-West Region.

Zik's hatred for the Yoruba gave the Fulani the impetus to rule over others in Nigeria. The Igbo coup plotters tried to undo Zik's mistake in 1966 which resulted in the civil war.

Britain did not really hand over Nigeria to the Fulani. Nigeria was given over to the Fulani by the Igbo. However, to hold on to power in Nigeria, the Fulani enlisted the backing of the self-serving career politicians in England.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by awgumayor: 6:31am On Oct 29, 2019
Kpoikpoi:
It's okay to dream my friend But the reality is that Switzerland is not surrounded by a particular country.
Check your facts before you deceive yourself, Switzerland is surrounded by
5 countries, France,Italy Austria,Germany and Liechtenstein.
The only country in the world that is completely surrounded by another country is Lesotho and I'm sure you know that their economy completely depends on South Africa.
Forget Biafra man,it will never happen.
You will just keep getting your people killed for nothing.
I think landlocked biafra is not your problem but Islam. You should start now planning how to adapt the hijabs that will cover your lands in no distance time should igbos leave. You will receive the shock of your life the day you wake and discovered that igbos have left you with boko haram.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by awgumayor: 6:46am On Oct 29, 2019
Tobichimezie:

Nobody gives a sh*t about Akwa Ibom you attention seeking idiot, Biafra is, has always been, and will always be an strictly Igbo speaking affair with sympathies, support, or inclusion through referendum by others willing to join. These idiotic narrative that Igbos are coercing you minorities is getting irritating already, maybe the few useless Igbos who are doing it are the ones making you clowns think the generality of us want you in Biafra, don't get it confused cause on average... we no send una... infact the useless deviants in Ipob who are in the habit of including non-Igbo speaking areas of the former Eastern region in the Biafran map have been sternly warned about it... cause every irrelevant Tom, Dick, and Harry who were never even in the Biafran plan now see and use every opportunity to insult all Igbos cause of the crazy opinion of a few... that has to stop, enough is enough.


And better be careful how you lump the whole Niger Delta into your hackneyed agenda, there are Igbos in the so called South South (I happen to be one) who proudly identify with the Igbo consciousness, and will bleed or die for it if need be! so better speak ONLY for your Ibibio tribe (even though I know Ibibio people have been good neighbors and friends to the Igbos for centuries)...
God bless you. Please, tell him more. He must be careful how he lump the whole trbes in the so called south south into niger delta or whatever republic. Few Igbos can't bring shame and insults to the great igbo race by insignificant micro trbes that will be so hard to notice outside their states. People who are not up to a local government in one of igbo states will come here and be yapping igbo this igbo that.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by awgumayor: 7:03am On Oct 29, 2019
IGBOSON1:


Oh pulease...do yourself a favour and shut da hell up!

You're probably one of the other anti-Igbo/Biafra fools that's been on this thread all along, but now switched to one of your 'we south-south' monikers since the other ones were getting beat silly!

If it doesn't make sense it's not normally true! No true son of Akwa-Ibom would spout this tripe of 'you Igbo got my people killed', while leaving the main culprits and instigators/actors of the pogrom up north in '66 that eventually led to the war! You conveniently overlook the efforts made by the East to avoid war (Aburi accord) which were promptly rejected the moment Gowon returned to Nigeria and presented it to his Fulani masters! You conveniently forget that killings of easterners (yes, not just Igbos were slaughtered up north) continued unabated even after Ojukwu told them the Gowon gov't had assured they would put an end to it!

Can you explain how Biafra or Ndigbo intend to 'use' the Ibibio in the event of a seperation from Nigeria? Explain how in this day and age, the Igbo will force the Ibibio to do anything they don't wanna do! You keep on bleating like a goat about a feared Igbo 'domination' in Biafra, but you're doing nada about the Fulani domination that's real, live and in your face as we speak! Explain how Igbo will 'dominate' the Ibibio when all ethnicities/nations would be joining the newly emergent nation as equal partners....that is assuming the Ibibio elect to go with Biafra and not stay to continue their 'love affair' with the kindly and fairminded Fulani in Nigeria!

And for your information, i'm also from that Niger Delta of which you speak, so look for another excuse!
God bless you more and more. Idiotic igbo hater is talking out of the context of igbo hater like him. They love fulani and they can't die with fulani. Even if fulani takes all the oil in their regions no problem as far as igbos are did not come nearer.
The oil idiot must be jobless despite the oil wealth in his father's compound that is use to pay all the fulani dominated armed forces, immigration, customs, etc.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by awgumayor: 7:18am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Ask your parents or anybody older and witnessed the happenings in PH in 1967 then come back, stop getting deceived by IPOB, Igbos would lose PH.
Abandoned properties of Igbos in PH is already a long forgotten issue, another one would happen if you try trash again.
I'm not telling you I'm predicting to you what will happen in many years to come. Maybe by then me and you will be no more.
Abandon properties was because igbos lost the war and ijaws, ogonis and others connived with fed govt to confiscate igbo properties in Ph and force some to deny their igboness by changing from umu to rumu. History is there already. Igbos I know must flight what belond to them and Nigeria may not be there to protect you. Isreal is doing the same to Palestine now.

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