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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by tungamaje: 7:25am On Oct 29, 2019
I have been reading comments on this thread and been enjoying it. I don't know why @Area4area, @Kpoikpoi and @mauriceju2 are so pained that Igbos say they want to leave. You are saying they are landlocked and would suffer should they leave Nigeria and the people say 'no qualms, we are ready' Why not leave them alone? Are you not aware that should Igbos leave today, there would no more be a united Nigeria because other regions would also aspire to leave and that 'landlockedness' you are talking about would not last for long? Na wa o I am in support of the division of this country but it should be done in a peaceful way because we all agree the country has not made any progress since independence. Since 1960 we are still praying for a good leader and none in sight. I remember in the 90s when Czechoslovakians peacefully decided to go their separate ways because their country wasn't moving forward the way it should and that's how we have the two countries Czech republic and Slovakia. Why not Nigerians go our separate ways since we have failed because we are not united and there's no solution in sight? Let every region fix itself

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 7:35am On Oct 29, 2019
jacksonkennedy:
Nigeria shut it's border to stop goods coming in from Niger. Not to stop goods going in to Niger .

Whichever, Nigeria slammed her borders and nobody is sanctioning her
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 7:36am On Oct 29, 2019
RTSC:

If you removed your head from your ass, you would be humble enough to admit the truth.
Deny the truth as much as you want, the laws of Nigeria on foreigners would be applied to Biafrans once you get Biafra
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 7:40am On Oct 29, 2019
jacksonkennedy:
I don't think this is true. I saw this on his Instagram once
There are Igbo migrants there just as we have all over the country, the visit could've been for electioneering.
Give us the date
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 7:50am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
There are Igbo migrants there just as we have all over the country, the visit could've been for electioneering.
Give us the date
wow so I guess the moderator didn't ban you for the earlier post where you promised the Igbos death to the tune of 30 or 40 million if they try to break away from Nigeria. I reported that post and I know the moderator bans people for less.

The mod hid my report post.

Seems unfair if you ask me. We cannot call the Igbos hatefull when everyday they are faced with extreme hate from us in this forum unfairly.

You can't even keep count of the anti-igbo threads here any more.
Lalasticlala please check on this guy's earlier hateful post about killing Igbos and take action.

Thank you

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 7:59am On Oct 29, 2019
mauriceju2:
WHAT BIAFRANS WILL NEVER TELL YOU ABOUT THE REAL CAUSE OF THEIR WOES IN NIGERIA TODAY:

The Igbo man is known to enjoy blaming the Hausafulanis, Yorubas and indeed every other Nigerian tribe and Lord Luggard/Britain for their third class citizen status of Nigeria. In their perpetual attempts to a play the victim card, they recount the political events of Nigeria from 1914 to the present in a half-baked and highly selective manner which cleverly avoids the mention of the roles played by their elite who by all natural laws of judgement were actually responsible for the woes that befell not only the Igbo race but the entire Nigeria. 
The story told in the post above is one of such selective and distorted accounts of history which the average Igbo man is fond of. 
However, the national archives have the complete and unedited history of Nigeria regarding the political events beginning from even before 1914. I will therefore proceed to furnish this house with the complete story for all to read and be endowed with enough facts so as to judge from an informed position.

Shortly after the 1914 Amalgamation of the Northern and Southern Protectorates, it started getting clear that the country was bound to fail as the amalgamation in question was done by colonial fiat without the consent of the different tribes which were over 300. This prompted the political leaders to start asking for de-amalgamation so as to forestall the future danger which the forced amalgamation portended. 
To that end, Ahmadu Bello, speaking on behalf of the Northern protectorate in 1944 described the amalgamation as "The mistake of 1914 which if allowed to remain will ultimately lead to unstoppable bloodshed and a failed country". 
Awolowo, speaking on behalf of the Yorubas and Western minorities, described Nigeria as a mere geographical expression not qualified to be a called a country let alone a nation. Awolowo added that if the amalgamation could not be reversed, then Nigeria should be structured as a strictly federal state so as to enable each tribe enjoy autonomy this freedom from being dominated by any other tribe. 

But Nnamdi Azikiwe, speaking for the Igbos, denounced Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello, termed them ethnic champions, accused them of nursing a sectional agenda against the unity of Nigeria, and declared that the Unity of Nigeria was non-negotiable. 

After moving motion for independece in 1953, Anthony Enahoro proposed that a secession clause should be incorporated into the future constipation of Nigeria so as to give legal backing for any tribe to peacefully exit the forced union if it feels marginalized in future. According to Enahoro, such provision in our constitution would instill in all Nigeria's future leaders the fear of the consequences of misgovernance. But Azikiwe, speaking on behalf of Igbos, rose against him in the parliament and labelled him an agent of disunity, and enemy of Nigeria. At a later date, Awolowo too made a case for secession clause, buy Azikiwe again resisted him and instigated the colonial authorities to threaten him and Enahoro with charges of treasonable felony if they didn't stop proposing secession clause for the future constipation. While Azikiwe did all this, Igbos cheered and urged him on because they felt the future Nigeria was theirs to dominate and lord it over every other tribe 

Before independece, Tafawa Balewa too had in a public speech described Nigeria as a British experiment and Nigeria's unity as a British intention which Nigerians themselves don't believe in. But Azikiwe kicked demonized him too. Had Azikiwe co-operated with Enahoro, Awolowo, Ahmadu Bello and Tafawa Balewa about the secession clause, Nigeria perhaps would not have been this misgoverned.

For those in doubt, here is a link of one of the numerous instances in which Nnamdi Azikiwe fought against the secession clause proposal for the future Nigeria constitution. 


https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2017/06/my-opposition-to-secession-zik/

It should be noted that there were many Igbo members of the parliament in which Azikiwe fought against Awolowo's secession clause proposal in the link above, but not a single one of them rose against Azikiwe or condemned him.

Igbos initially never wanted to hear anything like secession in Nigeria because they so much believed, though falsely, that they were the most educated tribe. (The first Nigerian tribe to produce a university graduate is the Binis).
As an evidence of Igbo domination agenda hence their initial resistance to the idea of secession; here are some quotes: 
"From all indications, the god of us Igbos have destined us to rule the whole of Africa"..... Nnamdi Azikiwe (1945).

"It is getting clearer each day that Igbo domination of Nigeria is just a question of time"... Oscar Onyeamma. (1949)
As at 1900, the whole of the present Benue State, Kogi East Senatorial District and some southern parts of Taraba State called Munchi District back then; were all in the Southern Protectorate. Whoever doubts this should consult MacMillan Atlas for secondary schools in Nigeria. 
With that situation the South had a higher population than the North hence always had an upper hand in any democratic bargain. 
But as at the early fifties when the regions were being created, common sense dictated clearly that these areas should fall in the future Eastern Region. But against common sense, the colonial masters decided to gerrymander them into the Northern Region. While they did that, the Azikiwe who was supposed to be in Enugu fighting against it as the leader of the East, was far away in Ibadan struggling with Awolowo to rule the Western Region and also playing the spoiler role against Awolowo's attempts to have Kwara and present Kogi Yorubas carved into the Western Region from the North which was already too large by landmass.
While he abandoned his burning house and was far away in Ibadan struggling against Awolowo for his own (Awolowo's) region, Igbos saw absolutely nothing wrong with that. Rather they applauded him as a nationalist. A nationalist whose house was burning yet busy chasing rats in a far away land.
When opinions became unanimous that Lord Luggard and his government must be forced out of Nigeria and indeed the whole of Africa, it was still the Igbos that frustrated the attempts. Here is how: 
In 1948, Anthony Enahoro organized an anti-colonization symposium in Lagos for which Azikiwe and some other Igbos had agreed to deliver the keynote address. 
But when the D-day came, Azikiwe was nowhere to be found as he deliberately disappeared into thin air for fear of being arrested and dealt with by Lord Luggard. 
Anthony Enahoro then quickly replaced Azikiwe with another person who did the job improptu but perfectly well as he lambasted and lampooned Lord Luggard and the British Government. However, the British soldiers invaded the symposium venue, arrested the speaker and Enahoro and jailed them for treasonable felony. 
Ironically, the next day Azikiwe came out of hiding and granted a radio interview in which he accused Enahoro and the other organizers of suffering from youthful exhuberance. 
On regaining his freedom few weeks later and being told of Azikiwe's radio interview, Enahoro resigned from his post as Editor of Azikiwe's newspaper - The West African Pilot. 
Then he wrote a book titled "Nnamdi Azikiwe: Sinner of Saint". 
After laughing the book, Enahoro left Azikiwe's party - the NCNC, and moved over to Awolowo's Action Group.
The first military coup in Nigeria was carried out by majority Igbo army officers. That was the coup that truncated democracy just six years post Independence and led to a succession of coups which put the country on the reverse gear for 33 years. 
Through that first coup, those Igbo army officers who accused the politicians and government of the day of monumental corruption, killed the political leaders of the Northern, Western and Midwestern Regions but allowed all Igbo political figures escape by tipping them off prior to the D-Day. In addition to the killing of political figures, they also killed a total of 27 innocent high ranking military officers from every region except their Eastern Region. 
In the end an Igbo man called Aguiyi Ironsi, who was supposed to have been killed alongside other military officers, ended up becoming the new military ruler of Nigeria. Rather than immediately arrest and punish the coup plotters, he kept them in detention where they were treated as heros. This was actually what sowed the seed for the eventual Biafra War. On the 23rd of February 1966 (i.e. a month and 8 days after the first coup porpularly but wrongly known as Nzeogwu coup, an Ijaw born Army officer called Isaac Adaka Boro who hailed from Kaima town of present Bayelsa State, declared the secession of the Niger Delta Republic in an attempt to free his Ijaw people from the monumental marginalization they had been suffering under Igbos in the old Eastern Region. 
But Aguiyi Ironsi immediately ordered Colonel Odumegwu Ojukwu to arrest him and hand him over to the military high command under him in Lagos. Ojukwu went all out against Isaac Adaka Boro with federal military might and within 12 fighting days killed 150 Isaac Boro's soldiers, arrested him, stripped him Unclad, and had him driven to Lagos and handed to Ironsi who immediately charged him to court and within two months secured against him a conviction of treasonable felony for which he was sentenced to death by hanging fixed for December that year by the Supreme Court. His 'crime' was that he declared secession of The Niger Delta Republic from Nigeria. Meanwhile the Igbo coupists who shed innocent blood of other tribes and even sprayed bullets into the bellies of the pregnant wives of Ahmadu Bello and Brigadier Shodeinde were not charged to court or arraigned before any military tribunal. 

Isaac Adaka Boro was in detention waiting for December to come for him to join his ancestors. But God so kind, a revenge coup happened on July 29 by Northern soldiers and Ironsi was overthrown and killed. Gowon took over and released Isaac Adaka Boro unconditionally, reinstated him into the Army with his previous rank. 
Then on May 30, 1967, Ojukwu too declared secession of Biafra Republic from Nigeria and without consulting or apologising to Isaac Boro's, drew a Biafra map which included the very areas that made up Isaac Adaka Boro's earlier declared Niger Delta Republic for which he fought against him and killed his soldiers. 
Seeing such level of arrogance in Ojukwu, Isaac Boro asked Gowon to provide arms for him to crush Biafra by fighting on the Nigerian side in vengeance for Ojukwu's frustration of his own secession declaration 15 months earlier. 
Isaac Boro, as an Ijaw man conversant with the waterways, led the Nigeria Army through the coastal areas into Igbo land to finish off thousands of Ojukwu's soldiers thus leading to the crushing defeat of Biafra. 
But today, Igbos accuse Ijaws of betraying them in the war. But from the facts as above, who really betrayed the other in all honesty? Be the judge.
Why Gowon fought against Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra was as follows: 
After Ironsi and Ojukwu successfully crushed Isaac Boro's Niger Delta Republic declaration, Ironsi immediately proceeded to promulgate the Anti-secession Decree which made the mere mention of secession from Nigeria punishable with death by hanging. Ojukwu openly supported and endorsed the decree despite disapproval of it by the general public. So when Ojukwu later declared Biafra secession, he was reminded of the Anti-secession Decree made by him and his brother Ironsi.
Deadly Truth: Igbos frequently reference Aburi Accord to create the impression that the rest Nigerian tribes don't honour agreements. This is a very dishonest narrative from Igbos. 
First and foremost Aburi Accord was organized by soldiers and unelected civil servants who should not participate in political exercises like making laws due to the civil service anonymity principle. Secondly, those civil servants and military men in attendance were not elected by their federal constituencies to the Aburi summit. In the philosophy of democracy the only universally acceptable way of making laws is through duly elected representatives of the people. But in going to Aburi the peoples' representatives duly elected in the 1965 elections were all sidelined for soldiers to hijacked the process. Where on earth do soldiers make laws for the people? Rather the civilian populace makes laws that guide the military. Aburi Accord therefore had no seal of the people's sovereignty hence it was an illegality which shouldn't have been allowed to stand. 
Thirdly, in 1957, Nigerians from all federal constituencies democratically elected representatives whom they sponsored to London, paid their flight tickets and hotel accommodation for the Independence constitutional conference. Those representatives all resolved and agreed on federalism marked by regional autonomy and resource control in the Independence constitution which they brought back home and everyone accepted it.
In that constitution, Nigerians all agreed that on no account shall the military take over power. It was also clearly stated in it that ammendments to it could be done by only democratically elected respresentatives. 
That constitution was the first ever agreement between all Nigerians. 
On the day of his inauguration as the Army GoC, Aguiyi Ironsi stood before the whole world and with his own mouth swore to protect and defend that sovereign Independence constitution regardless of the circumstances that may later arise. But just six years after he manufactured an excuse to clinic power against the clear provisions of that constitution we all agreed to, unilaterally began to amnend its provisions with his very offensive Decrees, and ended up dismantling the federalism and resource control therein, and ultimately subverted that constitution we all painstakingly sacrificed to draft. That was the height of irresponsibly and dishonoring of sacred agreement. That was how Igbos breached the first agreement we ever all mutually consented to, thus laying the foundation for violation of future agreements. So Aburi Accord was only treated exactly the same way Igbos treated the Independence constitution agreement.
Obasanjo removed history from d school curriculum hence d reason why many of wat we know of d eventualities in Biafra war were altered to suite their narratives

How Zik Handed Over Control Of Others In Nigeria To Fulani Oligarchy.

A few days ago, I got a message from a Young Yoruba citizen. He writes and I quote: 

"I believe Fulani is Yoruba's number one enemy which we all knew how the British handed over Nigeria to them."

This is not the truth. The British did not hand over Nigeria to the Fulani. 

Parliamentary elections were held in Nigeria on 12 December 1959. The result was a hung parliament with no clear majority to form a government. 

Zik's National Council of Nigeria and Cameroons (NCNC), came first with 2,594,577 votes to get 81 seats.

Awolowo's Action Group (AG), came second with 1,992,364 votes to get only 73 seats. 

However, the Ahmadu Bello's Northern People's Congress (NPC), came a distant third with 1,922,179 votes to get 134 of the 312 seats in the House of Representatives despite getting less public votes. 

The above three major political parties in the election did not get enough number of the seats to form a government. An alliance had to be formed to determine who would rule. 

It was a no brainer that Zik's NCNC and Awolowo's Action Group should make a coalition government as they came first and second respectively. Awolowo, then humbled himself and volunteered to be a Deputy Prime Minister or Finance Minister in a coalition government with Zik as the Prime Minister. This was because the Zik's NCNC party had more public votes and seats than the Awolowo's Action Group. 

Zik invited Awolowo’s team to Asaba, the gateway between the Yoruba's Western Region and the Igbo's Eastern Region to hold coalition talks. The talks were a clever ruse to keep Action Group’s hopes high, so that Action Group would be kept distracted from meeting with other minor parties for talks, including: Northern Elements Progressive Union with 8 seats; Mobolaje Grand Alliance with 6 seats; Igala Union with 4 seats; Independents Candidates with 4 seats; Igbira Tribal Union with 4 seats and the Niger Delta Congress with 1 seat.

Whilst the Action Group team was waiting in Asaba for a meeting with the NCNC, they read in the news that Zik and the NCNC had gone up North and clinched the deal with Ahmadu Bello on forming a coalition government with the NPC.

Tafawa Balewa, a Fulani, would be the Prime Minister of Nigeria while Zik would be the figure head Governor-General. Even Nkrumah of Ghana was shocked. He asked Zik why having spent so much energy fighting for colonial emancipation and then settling for a toothless bulldog role when Nigeria needed him the most.

Zik wrote in his autobiography why he did not form a coalition government with Awolowo.

In 1947, with over £13,500 raised from the Yoruba people and given to the NCNC, Zik had led other six prominent NCNC delegates to London to protest the “obnoxious laws” of Governor Arthur Richards. The trip ended in failure with backbiting, abuses and accusation of theft against Zik. Zik’s opponents at the NCNC, accused him of squandering the money and the trust of Nigerians.

Zik replied insinuating that the Yoruba on the team, that are: Mrs. Fumilayo Ransome-Kuti, Prince Adeleke Adedoyin, and Dr. A. B. Olorunnimbe, were the problem. 

There erupted a heated and prolonged press war between Zik’s Political Reminiscence in his West African Pilot and H.O. Davies’ Political Panorama in the Daily Service. This led to Igbo in Lagos rushing to buy machetes in large numbers thinking a tribal war was imminent. The Governor and his General Secretary, Hugh Foot, quickly called Zik and H.O. Davies to order at the Government House.

Zik went away with the resolve that “the Yoruba must not be allowed to rule over others in Nigeria”. And afterwards in the Daily Service published the speech of Zik in 1949 about Igbo been destined by God to conquer and rule over others. This among others, will explain why Zik rejected Awolowo's offer of a coalition government in 1959 and instead worked with the Fulani. 

The Fulani had been reading Zik and the Igbo through the lens of his 1949 speech ever since. The Fulani way of neutralising Zik when the opportunity came in 1959 was to offer him a powerless post, which surprisingly Zik and the NCNC dutifully accepted in place of being Nigeria’s first Prime Minister. 

Zik had thought that the Igbo can easily manipulate the Fulani in place of the educated Yoruba. He thus manipulated Balewa to arrest Awolowo in 1962 and to have him jailed for 10 years in 1963. 

Zik also manipulated Balewa to remove from the Western Region the Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri and Western Ijaw that account for 70% of the oil wealth in Nigeria and created for them the Mid-West Region.

Zik's hatred for the Yoruba gave the Fulani the impetus to rule over others in Nigeria. The Igbo coup plotters tried to undo Zik's mistake in 1966 which resulted in the civil war.

Britain did not really hand over Nigeria to the Fulani. Nigeria was given over to the Fulani by the Igbo. However, to hold on to power in Nigeria, the Fulani enlisted the backing of the self-serving career politicians in England. 

This piece of information is what most Igbo history revisionist would never want the public to know, they are always the victims and never one of the cause of the problem Nigeria is going through today
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:00am On Oct 29, 2019
awgumayor:
I think landlocked biafra is not your problem but Islam. You should start now planning how to adapt the hijabs that will cover your lands in no distance time should igbos leave. You will receive the shock of your life the day you wake and discovered that igbos have left you with boko haram.
Get your Biafra first and leave others to worry about themselves
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:02am On Oct 29, 2019
awgumayor:
God bless you. Please, tell him more. He must be careful how he lump the whole trbes in the so called south south into niger delta or whatever republic. Few Igbos can't bring shame and insults to the great igbo race by insignificant micro trbes that will be so hard to notice outside their states. People who are not up to a local government in one of igbo states will come here and be yapping igbo this igbo that.
IPOB are land grabbers and trying to drag the SS minorities into their Biafra, haven't you being seeing the IPOB map of Biafra?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:06am On Oct 29, 2019
awgumayor:
I'm not telling you I'm predicting to you what will happen in many years to come. Maybe by then me and you will be no more.
Abandon properties was because igbos lost the war and ijaws, ogonis and others connived with fed govt to confiscate igbo properties in Ph and force some to deny their igboness by changing from umu to rumu. History is there already. Igbos I know must flight what belond to them and Nigeria may not be there to protect you. Isreal is doing the same to Palestine now.
Attaché by force continues, you lose your Nigerian citizenship, you lose all rights and privileges that goes with it and all laws applicable to foreigners would be applied to Biafrans.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:13am On Oct 29, 2019
tungamaje:
I have been reading comments on this thread and been enjoying it. I don't know why @Area4area, @Kpoikpoi and @mauriceju2 are so pained that Igbos say they want to leave. You are saying they are landlocked and would suffer should they leave Nigeria and the people say 'no qualms, we are ready' Why not leave them alone? Are you not aware that should Igbos leave today, there would no more be a united Nigeria because other regions would also aspire to leave and that 'landlockedness' you are talking about would not last for long? Na wa o I am in support of the division of this country but it should be done in a peaceful way because we all agree the country has not made any progress since independence. Since 1960 we are still praying for a good leader and none in sight. I remember in the 90s when Czechoslovakians peacefully decided to go their separate ways because their country wasn't moving forward the way it should and that's how we have the two countries Czech republic and Slovakia. Why not Nigerians go our separate ways since we have failed because we are not united and there's no solution in sight? Let every region fix itself
Who is holding them to stay in Nigeria, all we are saying is this;

1)Biafrans will lose their Nigerian citizenship,
2)SS minorities are not going with them,
3)They would be surrounded by Nigeria and their survival will depend on agreement(s) with Nigeria,
4)All Nigerian laws applicable to foreigners would be applied to Biafrans.

Just telling them what to expect because I know that 99.999% shouting about Biafra don't know about Nigerian laws and citizenship.

They can go get Biafra but don't expect to retain your rights any longer as a Nigerian, nobody is holding anyone back.

You talked of Czechoslovakia, don't you know that she and the former USSR have an agreement to splitting when they want, former Yugoslavia didn't have it and we all know how it splitted.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:21am On Oct 29, 2019
jacksonkennedy:
wow so I guess the moderator didn't ban you for the earlier post where you promised the Igbos death to the tune of 30 or 40 million if they try to break away from Nigeria. I reported that post and I know the moderator bans people for less.

The mod hid my report post.

Seems unfair if you ask me. We cannot call the Igbos hatefull when everyday they are faced with extreme hate from us in this forum unfairly.

You can't even keep count of the anti-igbo threads here any more.
Lalasticlala please check on this guy's earlier hateful post about killing Igbos and take action.

Thank you
See blackmailing, nobody is praying for any killing and remember I'm Igbo too, all I'm saying is that since Nigeria doesn't have a referendum and secession clause in her constitution, any call for secession would lead to a war so everyone should be guided in their wish and utterances.

I know you are pained by my unbridled truth and you want me banned so I'll stop talking and telling people what they should be expecting.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by tungamaje: 8:24am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Who is holding them to stay in Nigeria, all we are saying is this;

1)Biafrans will lose their Nigerian citizenship,
2)SS minorities are not going with them,
3)They would be surrounded by Nigeria and their survival will depend on agreement(s) with Nigeria,
4)All Nigerian laws applicable to foreigners would be applied to Biafrans.

Just telling them what to expect because I know that 99.999% shouting about Biafra don't know about Nigerian laws and citizenship.

They can go get Biafra but don't expect to retain your rights any longer as a Nigerian, nobody is holding anyone back.

You talked of Czechoslovakia, don't you know that she and the former USSR have an agreement to splitting when they want, former Yugoslavia didn't have it and we all know how it splitted.

Are you very sure that should Igbos leave, other SS minorities you are talking about wouldn't also aspire to leave just because they so love Nigeria and the current system?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:27am On Oct 29, 2019
tungamaje:


Are you very sure that should Igbos leave, other SS minorities you are talking about wouldn't also aspire to leave just because they so love Nigeria and the current system?
A comes before B, B before C, get the Biafra and stop preempting and suggesting about what others would do?
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 8:35am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
See blackmailing, nobody is praying for any killing and remember I'm Igbo too, all I'm saying is that since Nigeria doesn't have a referendum and secession clause in her constitution, any call for secession would lead to a war so everyone should be guided in their wish and utterances.

I know you are pained by my unbridled truth and you want me banned so I'll stop talking and telling people what they should be expecting.
that wasn't what you wrote. I don't care if you are Igbo or not. You clearly called for the killing of 30 or 40 million Igbos if they try to leave Nigeria.

Read your rule 2 again. The mod hid it but refused to ban you. Seems like a conspiracy against the igbos if you ask me and I want to know how many mods are in on it.

I don't need to be Igbo to notice what's going on here

Seun OAM4J this moniker called for genocide on Igbos. He clearly called for 30 or 40 million Igbos to be killed this time around if they try to exit Nigeria.

Is that forgivable?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by gidgiddy: 8:39am On Oct 29, 2019
tungamaje:
I have been reading comments on this thread and been enjoying it. I don't know why @Area4area, @Kpoikpoi and @mauriceju2 are so pained that Igbos say they want to leave. You are saying they are landlocked and would suffer should they leave Nigeria and the people say 'no qualms, we are ready' Why not leave them alone. Are you not aware that should Igbos leave, there would no more be a united Nigeria because other regions would also aspire to leave and that 'landlockedness' you are talking about would not hold for long. Na wa o

That is to show you the mentality of these Northerners who want "one Nigeria". The unity of Nigeria is not based on love, it is based on hate. These Northerners see Igbos and the rest of Southernern Nigeria as part of their empire and they dont want to entertain any break up of their empire. Why do you think Northerners are offering armed killer herdsmen Ruga but hailing Buhari for proscribing unarmed IPOB who killed nobody?

As long as Igbos stay in Nigeria, they will never get to their true potential because nothing in Nigeria ever progresses

If you see the way the face of a Northerner changes when you talk about Biafra, you would be tempted to think that Biafra includes Sokoto. Yet the same Northerner doesnt know anything about Igbo land or Igbos.

Somebody is telling Igbos that they will suffer if they leave Nigeria? The same Igbos that once left, came up with their own currency, Army, refined their own fuel and this was while they were fighting a war blockaded by air, land and sea. Igbos have been into the fire and back, nothing scares them any more

An independent Igbo land will do much better than in Nigeria that is porverty capital of the world.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:42am On Oct 29, 2019
jacksonkennedy:
that wasn't what you wrote. I don't care if you are Igbo or not. You clearly called for the killing of 30 or 40 million Igbos if they try to leave Nigeria.

Read your rule 2 again. The mod hid it but refused to ban you. Seems like a conspiracy against the igbos if you ask me and I want to know how many mods are in on it.

I don't need to be Igbo to notice what's going on here

Seun OAM4J this moniker called for genocide on Igbos. He clearly called for 30 or 40 million Igbos to be killed this time around if they try to exit Nigeria.

Is that forgivable?
You think I've forgotten what I wrote, I said,

3 million civilians were killed in the last war and "IF YOU TRY TRASH" again, 30 million may go. So tell me where I called for any killing when an "IF" was stated? Just say you're really unsettled with the unbridled truth you just don't want people to know. I never called for the killing of my people so stop blackmailing me over what I didn't say.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 8:44am On Oct 29, 2019
gidgiddy:


That is to show you the mentality of these Northerners who want "one Nigeria". The unity of Nigeria is not based on love, it is based on hate. These Northerners see Igbos and the rest of Southernern Nigeria as part of their empire and they dont want to entertain any break up of their empire. Why do you think Northerners are offering armed killer herdsmen Ruga but hailing Buhari for proscribing unarmed IPOB who killed nobody?

As long as Igbos stay in Nigeria, they will never get to their true potential because nothing in Nigeria ever progresses

If you see the way the face of a Northerner changes when you talk about Biafra, you would be tempted to think that Biafra includes Sokoto. Yet the same Northerner doesnt know anything about Igbo land or Igbos.

Somebody is telling Igbos that they will suffer if they leave Nigeria? The same Igbos that once left, came up with their own currency, Army, refined their own fuel and this was while they were fighting a war blockaded by air, land and sea. Igbos have been into the fire and back, nothing scares them any more

An independent Igbo land will do much better than in Nigeria that is porverty capital of the world.
The same north had even told you to leave them alone and go get your referendum and Biafra and you refused so why vilifying and lying against them.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by tungamaje: 8:46am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
A comes before B, B before C, get the Biafra and stop preempting and suggesting about what others would do?

Oga, I asked a simple question and you say I am preempting. You should answer me because you said you are just trying to lecture Biafrans on what to expect should they leave Nigeria because other SS minorities wouldn't go with them. Is that not also preempting?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 9:00am On Oct 29, 2019
tungamaje:


Oga, I asked a simple question and you say I am preempting. You should answer me because you said you are just trying to lecture Biafrans on what to expect should they leave Nigeria because other SS minorities wouldn't go with them. Is that not also preempting?
I won't help you on this, several groups in the SS and even the Igala and Idoma in the NC have all issued press statements distancing themselves from Biafra and have urged IPOB from including them them in their map of Biafra, they stated it categorically that;
They are not part of Biafra,
They are not ready to form their country and they remain Nigerians.

It's all over the internet so google it up, it was even discussed here on nairaland those days when they were issuing those press statements.

I expect you forget about them for now till you get your Biafra then you can watch how events happen later, get your Biafra first should be of utmost importance instead of having headache for those that had refused you in the past and the present.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by tungamaje: 9:04am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
I won't help you on this, several groups in the SS and even the Igala and Idoma in the NC have all issued press statements distancing themselves from Biafra and have urged IPOB from including them them in their map of Biafra, they stated it categorically that;
They are not part of Biafra,
They are not ready to form their country and they remain Nigerians.

It's all over the internet so google it up, it was even discussed here on nairaland those days when they were issuing those press statements.

I expect you forget about them for now till you get your Biafra then you can watch how events happen later, get your Biafra first should be of utmost importance instead of having headache for those that had refused you in the past and the present.

Oga, I can see you are so pained over this Biafra issue, so I won't reply again. Have a nice day

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 9:06am On Oct 29, 2019
tungamaje:


Oga, I can see you are so pained over this Biafra issue, so I won't reply again. Have a nice day
You have no counter fact or argument, have a great day ahead.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by nku5: 9:10am On Oct 29, 2019
This senator is so mentally lazy and stuck in the past.

A Biafra would sharply join Community of Central African States with Cameroon, Angola and co or align and join East African Community with Kenya, Tanzania and Ethiopia etc These places are the the future. They are planning for the future and building railway lines to link their countries. While Buhari is closing borders and killing small businesses in Nigeria and West Africa

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Nobody: 9:11am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
You think I've forgotten what I wrote, I said,

3 million civilians were killed in the last war and "IF YOU TRY TRASH" again, 30 million may go. So tell me where I called for any killing when an "IF" was stated? Just say you're really unsettled with the unbridled truth you just don't want people to know. I never called for the killing of my people so stop blackmailing me over what I didn't say.
I don't expect you to see anything wrong with what you wrote.
However I expect the mods to know better
Seun OAM4J

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 9:15am On Oct 29, 2019
nku5:
This senator is so mentally lazy and stuck in the past.

A Biafra would sharply join Community of Central African States with Cameroon, Angola and co or align and join East African Community with Kenya, Tanzania and Ethiopia etc These places are the the future. They are planning for the future and building railway lines to link their countries. While Buhari is closing borders and killing small businesses in Nigeria and West Africa

So Biafra would jump over Akwa Ibom and Cross River states that had vowed to remain Nigerians to go form an alliance with central African countries? So the rail or road would fly over from Cameroon into Biafra.
Some of you just post for posting sake.

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 9:17am On Oct 29, 2019
jacksonkennedy:
I don't expect you to see anything wrong with what you wrote.
However I expect the mods to know better
Seun OAM4J
Continue lying against yourself and not me, if you hate the truth then continue in your lies but don't urge others to believe in same lies.
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Ikechunna: 9:17am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
Dream on, just leave PH, Asaba, Uyo, Calabar, Yenagoa when the time comes.

You are extremely delusional if you think any part of Asaba will stay in that shithole una call Niggeria. Extremely fucking delusional. Keep deceiving yourself

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Area4Area: 9:20am On Oct 29, 2019
Ikechunna:


You are extremely delusional if you think any part of Asaba will stay in that shithole una call Niggeria. Extremely fucking delusional. Keep deceiving yourself
From Asaba to Omagba phase 1 to Ihiala and Ogbaru and back to Asaba, how was your night bro?
Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by nku5: 9:22am On Oct 29, 2019
Area4Area:
So Biafra would jump over Akwa Ibom and Cross River states that had vowed to remain Nigerians to go form an alliance with central African countries? So the rail or road would fly over from Cameroon into Biafra.
Some of you just post for posting sake.

Do your research don't just rush to respond next time. So how come Angola thats in Southern Africa is a member of the Central African States Community? Why is Morocco in North Africa trying to join ECOWAS? Please go and Google

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Amumaigwe: 9:26am On Oct 29, 2019
Introvertedmarc:
In as much as no one is clamouring for division, People live and own houses in London, Dubai etc despite just being visitors..

The world has changed from what it used to be..

Tell those abokis. They loot oil money from SS/SE and buy properties in the West and they are allowed to live in peace. But wish Biafrans will loose their properties in Nigeria if they secede. Is it not reprehensible?

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Re: Igbo Will Suffer If They Secede —senator Doguwa by Ikechunna: 9:28am On Oct 29, 2019
gidgiddy:




The mentality of the average Northerner is really strange for me as an Igbo man. What this man is trying to say properties and investments are more important than freedom and sovereignty. So because Igbos are found all over Nigeria, have investments everywhere, they are not entitled to seek their own separate country?

Why is he so concerned about if Igbos will suffer if they secede? Why is he hell bent on "one Nigeria"? It no secret that the average Northerner does not like the Igbo man so why do you want to remain in one country with people you have no love for?

The Northerners are not fooling anyone. The only reason they want Igbos in Nigeria is because they have come to see Nigeria as their private property and Igbos are their slaves, they are not willing to lose that property.

If Northerners start talking about Arewa Republic tomorrow, most Igbos wont even give a damn. In fact, Igbos like me will throw party that they want to go their way.

But if Igbos talk about Biafra, Northerners will start shouting "they will suffer", "they will lose their property", "we will send them home", "one Nigeria for life"

I tire for these people

I can’t even find one thing igbo benefit from being part of that shithole. If that’s their definition of why Igbo should continue staying in that worthless country with them then that’s BULLSHIT. They already did that and worse after the civil war and our people bounced the Bleep back despite their piece of shit government did all it can think of to try to subdue Igbos. I highly highly fucking doubt that shithole is going to do anything to igbo that they haven’t done before. Bleep out of here.

Even at that thanks to the Internet, igbo have access to the world as their market. Niggeria is nothing but river on top of an ocean. Even without them as a market, it ain’t shit. What will they stop the rest of the world to stop trading with Igbos? They are out of their poverty ridden mind in that nonsense excuse.

What even stupid is their need to inform igbo on “suffering of igbo in Biafra.” Can someone mention to me what’s worse that being a citizen of the POVERTY CAPITAL OF THE WORLD that is Nigeria? What’s exactly is suffering that people aren’t already experiencing in that shithole? What exactly is working in Niggeria that they believe that once removed from it will be worse? Exactly what? Is it their financial status, education, healthcare, hell even food for their people? Exactly what in Niggeria is working?

In fact if that’s their reason, abeg let us suffer. I will take that Biafran suffering over Niggeria any day, anytime or anywhere.

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