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| Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 11:03am On Dec 14, 2019 |
From Deuteronomy Chapter 28 15-68 15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in unclothedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Now the reason I post this is because Christians claim Islam is not peaceful because Allah Warns of punishing people who don't follow him etc. Now since Christians believe that, then using their own criteria and own arguments then the verses I just posted show that it is infact their God who is violent and non peaceful because as you can see he will punish those who don't follow them in a very harsh manner. So Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house, and they do live in a glass house. I wonder what Craig Winn will have to see about these verses, I mean he does believe in this God who is warning of these punishments, if Christians have a problem with Allah punishing people then why don't they have a problem with their own God when he says he will punish people? So hence Christians must now admit their God is violent and not peaceful since they say Allah cant be God because of his wrath and punishments, if Christians do not admit it then they can no longer argue against Islam, if they continue to use this silly argument on Islam then they must leave their own religion. So they are in a bad dilemma now, attack Islam and leave Christianity or don't attack Islam and therefore have nothing much to attack Islam on. Now let me make it easier for the reader, I will basically post what the Christian God will do as a punishment to those who wouldn't follow him: 1- God will cause his people to murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions. 2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery. 3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont. 4- cannibalism, yes cannibalism! 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee 5- God will send diseases to the people 6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men. These are some of the punishments that the God of the Bible will do to his people if they don't follow him. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Nobody: 11:35am On Dec 14, 2019 |
May God give you peace of mind. You are the must senseless Muslim I have ever seen. 1 Like |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by falcon01: 11:41am On Dec 14, 2019 |
I did not read that but LOL |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 11:48am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Why didn't you post the part where God told them about the blessings that would come to them as a result of keeping His commands? (Deut 30). Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: We have two options to choose from which will determine the consequences we experience for doing so. First of all, Allah does not exist. Secondly, God gives us commands for our own benefit, and if we do not observe them, there will be consequences which are our fault, not His doing. Those curses that He said will come upon them for not obeying His commands would have been the consequences of their actions. For instance, if you have unprotected sex and get HIV, the fault is on you because you chose to do so. Thirdly, Jesus by sacrificing His life for us became a curse for us, so those curses in those scripture you posted here are irrelevant, because all that Born-again believers are eligible for are the blessings. Although the curses still apply to unbelievers like muslims. Galatians 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Next time, before you criticize something, do it from a standpoint of understanding, not sentiments. Allah is false and non-existent. If he does exist, he is not God, but the devil himself, and should not be worshipped. Just say you don't want to believe in God and stop spreading lies about Him. God is Good. Period. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 11:55am On Dec 14, 2019 |
2kaybiel: The same peace of mind the people being terrorized in the passages had right? May you have the same peace of mind as the people being terrorized in the Bible! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 11:58am On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: NO matter what I tell you you won't believe. But the truth is God loves you. He gave His Son for you and is patiently waiting for you to burn your quran and turn to Him. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 12:10pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Which options? See how long the curses are and see how short the blessings are. This is no choice at all. Try again. Hismasterpiece: The post is not discussing Allah or else I will accuse you of using diversion tactics or is it strawman they call it in logic? Hismasterpiece: Where is the freewill here? This is force not choice! Hismasterpiece: Jesus that was ordering killings here and there all over the OT was now the one that will die for people's sins! Tweh! Hismasterpiece: Galatians was supposedly written by Paul. The self ordained apostle who was unknown to Christ when he was alive. He even wrote more Books than all the other disciples combined. Hismasterpiece: I though your Lord does not change? Why change from one syllabus to another? And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Next time, before you criticize something, do it from a standpoint of understanding, not sentiments. Allah is false and non-existent. If he does exist, he is not God, but the devil himself, and should not be worshipped. Just say you don't want to believe in God and stop spreading lies about Him. God is Good. Period. [/quote] Maybe you don't know the extent of the deaths committed by your Lord Jesus Christ. He practically washed the earth with blood! Read my other threads before your next reply! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 12:12pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Which Father can murder his son? Definitely not a good father. I will pass. |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:20pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: 1. GOD didn't do the murdering. 2. His Son gave His Life voluntarily because of Love. 3. His Son came back to Life. 4. Because His Son died so we can all be made right with God, have life eternal, have victory over sin, and that's entirely to our own benefit, not His. 5. JESUS IS LORD! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:23pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: LOL.. You're just angry at God because you lack understanding of HIM. But He still Love you and looks out for you everyday. I believe one day you'll turn from all this bitterness and understand that God is good and believe Him for salvation. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 12:27pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Since you have nothing more to say. bye 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 12:30pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Please stop it or else i will call you a liar. I said your Lord kills and you keep arguing with me. are this verses lies? 1. But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death. Gen 38 vs 7 2. But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. Gen 38 vs 10 |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:01pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: God is a just God and must punish evil. This even strengthens the truth of the gospel. God is so just infact, that He punished His Own Son for the evil of the entire world. Thank God for Jesus. |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:03pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: You know I'm speaking the truth... Lol God loves you, my friend. And I know you might feel unworthy of His Love which is why you're coming up with every reason not to believe in Him. But believe in Him, and He will grant you Salvation which your dead allah cannot grant. |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:04pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: If as a father you punish one son for the sins your many other son's committed ain't you a devilish father. More sacrificing someone for others to survive is idolatry! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:06pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: God that was killing people anyhow...which kind love? abeg! Shift! 1 Like |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:06pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: God is just punishing Jesus for our sins. Period. You're just bitter towards God, and that's stopping you from seeing the truth. God Loves you.  |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:08pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: All the people that God killed were wicked people, and as a just God, He must punish wickedness. |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:08pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: But God hate them that's why he killed them right? Can you explain what "save the virgins for yourself mean"? How do they even know they are virgins? |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:10pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: God hates sin, not the sinner. God punishes sin. If a person doesn't turn away from their sin, they suffer the consequences. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:10pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: So we now agree that your Gods killed many people allowed many to be raped and committed other barbaric acts right? |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:13pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Did God give Er and Onan the chance to repent in Gen 38 vs 7 and Gen 38 vs 10 before he slayed them? But he forgave the father who committed adultery with his son's wife and blessed them with twins! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:20pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: Romans 9:13-23 [13]As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. [14]What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. [15]For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. [16]So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. [17]For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. [18]Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [19]Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? [20]Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? [21]Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [22]What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: [23]And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Man has no authority to question God, just do what He says! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:21pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: You're just being sentimental and bitter. Ciao! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:25pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Now see for yourself? Why would God hate what he created? Even when Everything He created is good. And Mr. Timothy said in 1 Timothy 4:4 For everything God created is good |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Nobody: 1:30pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian:you are just struggling to make a defense against the terror Islam breed. Keep it up. On daily basis we see the evidence of violence in Islam by Islamic terrorist (terrorism with justifiable evidence from the quran). 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:32pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
2kaybiel: Why not say with Justifiable evidence from the Bible too? Hypocrite! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Nobody: 1:48pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian: your action (defending Islam) is evident enough to tell you that Islam breed violence. you are using all you got to defend Islam (act that Islamic terrorists use to kill non-muslims). I know if you have the opportunity to bomb yourself to defend Islam ( to have 72 imaginary virgins in hell) you will do it. keep it up young man. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 2:07pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
2kaybiel: Did i tell lies? |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 2:10pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
2kaybiel: You're talking sense bro. I like! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 2:10pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
2kaybiel: You're talking sense bro. I like! |
| Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Nobody: 2:12pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian:there is taqqiyya in Islam ( permissive lies) so you will not accept you're lying. keep it up. |
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