solite3:
Question: "What is hyper-grace?"

Answer: The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism.

Jesus’ words to the seven churches in the book of Revelation strongly contradict the idea that Christians never need to repent. To the church at Ephesus, Jesus said, “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place” (Revelation 2:4). Jesus rebukes five of the seven churches and demands repentance from them (Revelation 2:4, 6, 20; 3:3, 15–19). Far from believers being unaccountable for their sin, they must answer to Jesus for their disobedience (see also 2 Corinthians 5:10).

Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?

In Mark 13:31, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised that the Father would send the Holy Spirit who “will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). If Jesus’ words are no longer applicable to believers, why would we need to be reminded of them?

Hyper-grace teaching is a good example of mixing truth with error. An emphasis on the beauty and power of God’s grace is good, but some teachers are neglecting what Paul called the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27). For example, it is true that Christians have been forgiven by God. But that doesn’t mean we never have to confess our sin. James 5:16 says, “Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” If we are to confess our sins to each other, why would we not need to confess them to God, since every sin is ultimately a sin against God (Psalm 51:4)?

Perfectbeing:
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Romans 4:8.... Psalms 32:2 beautifully puts it this way.. Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. Glory to God!
.. In whose spirit there is no guile. That's a believer he's talking about.

Col 1:22, But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

God says you are Holy, unreproveable. Not just blameless but Unblameable.

To fault the hyper Grace message is to fault the bible.

solite3:
Question: "What is hyper-grace?"

Answer: The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism.

Jesus’ words to the seven churches in the book of Revelation strongly contradict the idea that Christians never need to repent. To the church at Ephesus, Jesus said, “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place” (Revelation 2:4). Jesus rebukes five of the seven churches and demands repentance from them (Revelation 2:4, 6, 20; 3:3, 15–19). Far from believers being unaccountable for their sin, they must answer to Jesus for their disobedience (see also 2 Corinthians 5:10).

Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?

In Mark 13:31, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised that the Father would send the Holy Spirit who “will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). If Jesus’ words are no longer applicable to believers, why would we need to be reminded of them?

Hyper-grace teaching is a good example of mixing truth with error. An emphasis on the beauty and power of God’s grace is good, but some teachers are neglecting what Paul called the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27). For example, it is true that Christians have been forgiven by God. But that doesn’t mean we never have to confess our sin. James 5:16 says, “Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” If we are to confess our sins to each other, why would we not need to confess them to God, since every sin is ultimately a sin against God (Psalm 51:4)?

Finallydead:

So you've quoted some scriptures to counter. That's not the test of understanding but a superficial show of shallow knowledge. Can you also deny the scriptures solite3 presented. No. It means you're a cherry picker of scriptures and have no true understanding of what they mean. Many elements form a compound. picking each element by itself is a completely different compound from the whole mixture.

Perfectbeing:



Did the thief at the cross confessed his sins to God before Jesus promised him a place in paradise. Or did he just believed in Christ and was saved?

solite3:
op didnt say confession of sin is needed for people to be saved, how many sins can they confess? But the saying that God does not see your sins because Christ died is false. This below is the standard for shepherding

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Hyper grace put down the law of God, they rebuke the law of God rather pointing out the human sin nature and upholding the law.
People can never be saved if they do not see the holiness of God as it really is, if they do not see themselves as accountable to God how will they know their need to be saved.

Perfectbeing:
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Romans 4:8.... Psalms 32:2 beautifully puts it this way.. Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. Glory to God!
.. In whose spirit there is no guile. That's a believer he's talking about.

Col 1:22, But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

God says you are Holy, unreproveable. Not just blameless but Unblameable.

To fault the hyper Grace message is to fault the bible.

Hismasterpiece:


What you're saying isn't well presented, but I understand you.

We are save by God's Grace through Faith. When we believe in Jesus, we are granted access to God's Grace, which is what grants us salvation.

Jesus is the one-time sacrifice for the sins of the whole word (Heb 9-11). All our sins have been forgiven, past, future and present.

This doesn't mean we can go about living sinfully though, because that will mean handling the word of truth deceitfully.

When you sin just apologize to God, ask Him for His Grace not to repeat such sins again.

By the way, which preacher(s) message are you referring to hyper-grace? Please could you tell me the name of the person? Thanks.

solite3:

I understand that, Christ has paid for our sins past, present or future not only ours but for the whole world but there is a condition to receiving it which is to come with God for the unbelivers. And for the beliver he should confess his sins unto God.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Sin can cut us off from fellowship with God.

solite3:

I understand that, Christ has paid for our sins past, present or future not only ours but for the whole world but there is a condition to receiving it which is to come with God for the unbelivers. And for the beliver he should confess his sins unto God.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Sin can cut us off from fellowship with God.

Perfectbeing:


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Goshen360:


What kind of father will allow sin to cut off fellowship with his sons and daughters?

2/ Can you show us from scriptures where sin cut off God's fellowship with his sons and daughters?

3/ When YOU YOURSELF sin, does God cut fellowship with you?

4/ If God cut fellowship with you, how did you gained access back to him before asking for forgiveness?

solite3:


when I said sin cut off fellowship, I do not mean he or she cease to be sons of God. By the way it is not God that cuts the fellowship but the sin itself like shotting your windows so that sun rays can not inter your room.

solite3:

The Israelites many a time experiences this. The story of the prodigal son is another very know example of a son shutting up himself from his father.

solite3:


sin is offending God, if you offend someone how do acess that person without restoring that relationship? God is a person that can be offended with sin, and this will attract consequences if we refuse to repent. God arms are always open for us to repent.

Goshen360:


Let's go by what you said the : It is not God who cut off relationship when a believer sin, it is sin itself. That's just you saying sin is greater than what Christ did with His blood. There's no sin that can stand what Christ paid in His blood except for the sin of rejecting the One who paid for the sins of the world. The redemption and forgiveness of sins in Christ is not what was obtained in/under the old covenant. Hebrews 10v1-18.



Israelite under that old covenant are rebellious and are type/shadow of the better covenant to come. You liken or compare Christians to Israelite and/or the new covenant, you err not understanding the power of the new covenant in the blood of Christ. Listen to this that God said concerning the old and new covenant regarding same Israel you quote/reference and the new covenant believers as regards sin in the finished works of Christ:

16“This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day,c says the LORD: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”17, Then he says, “I will never again remember their sins and lawless deeds.”

The prodigal son went away from the father not that the sin cut off relationship between him and the father. As soon as he returned back, the father was waiting to receive him and the father didn't allow his sin to cut off their relationship. That's a earthly father, how much more our heavenly father. God knows you/we are always going to make mistakes, so He made something different from the old covenant - please study Hebrews 10.



It is true sin is offending to God BUT God had already dealt with sin ONCE AND FOR ALL TIMES. How is that difficult for you to understand?

New Living Translation
If that had been necessary, Christ would have had to die again and again, ever since the world began. But now, once for all time, he has appeared at the end of the age to remove sin by his own death as a sacrifice.
Hebrews 9v26

Once and FOR ALL TIMES is simply, past-present-future. Its not like when you sin tomorrow which is in the future, Christ is not coming to make a sin sacrifice for you afresh. You will/might pay for your sins when the hands of the government gets you when you do something stupid as believer but that's not God punishing you for your sins, that's you being rewarded for you act with the government. God doesn't punish any man for their sins because he already punished all sins on Christ but we do face the consequences of our stupid acts weather believer or not.

Finallydead:

Exactly my initial point. You cherry pick a bunch load of scriptures to present a concept totally debunked by other scriptures(e.g. presented by OP, 2Pet2:1,13,20-22, Jude 4-6, Mt 24:12-13, Heb6:4-6, Heb 10:26). This is the proof of a ignorance/misunderstanding of Doctrine. The one who truly understands doctrine is the one that presents concepts that cannot be refuted by ANY portion of scripture but reconciles all perfectly. If you are truly of Christ, I plead with you don't be tied to what you heard from a preacher just because he speaks convincingly but seek the Holy Spirit daily and grow in intimacy with Him, eventually you will understand clearly the Doctrine far beyond what preachers claim and will have spared yourself loss of eternal rewards. God bless

solite3:

1 Corinthians 10:6-10 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Hyper grace message is nonsense, the old testament is an example for us not to commit the sins that they do or else we will suffer the repercussion of it.

Perfectbeing:


Scriptures debunking scriptures?? Wow!!!

Goshen360:


Ask yourself, the last time you complained or murmured how come the destroyer didn't destroy you like it says in the scripture you quoted?

I'm not saying what they did was good but you quoting these scriptures either religiously or not understanding them in the light/revelation of the finished works of Christ or you're simply confusing the old covenant with the new.

The same way they sinned every year is the same way we sin today every year but not the same sacrifice for sin. Abi YOU YOURSELF WAN TALK SAY YOU NEFA SIN THIS YEAR NI? ABI YOU NO GO SIN IN 2020?. Your sins in 2020 is in the future and that one sacrifice of Christ had already paid or dealt with your future sins.

All finished works of Christ for us is what is all wrapped up in what is called THE GRACE OF GOD. I don't know about the Hyper you're talking about though.

Finallydead:

No, friend. Scriptures debunking men's wrong interpretation of scriptures. When men finally understand true doctrine perfectly(this can only be when the Holy Spirit Himself teaches us and not just our minds/intellect. 1Cor 2:11-16, Eph 1:17) they will find that there is no contradiction in scriptures. So please, once again, embrace my previous plea, for the perfect will of God sake. Bless you.

Perfectbeing:


I leave you with this. Salvation that is temporary is not Salvation at all

solite3:


you think, destruction only comes in form of death? And by the way what do you mean quoting scriptures religiously? Why did you jump to defend or attack what you dont understand? Obviously you cant deny that verse.

solite3:


1 John 1:7-10 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I often ask hyper-grace teachers to explain who these verse is meant for, but end up blabbing.
Is it meant for unbelievers or belivers?
No, unbelievers dont need to confess their sins why unbelievers are totally dead spiritually before God what would save them is accepting Christ then this verse is certainly met for believers who are already saved but hyper grace teachers often deny this meaning it was written for nobody, is nt it wonderful?

Goshen360:


We don't have to debate what or not destruction or destroyer is. Since that verse was quoted in reference to old testament people, all we needed to do was go back to what or how they were destructed by the destroyer - it happened to them physically so you shouldn't spiritualize it now. Again you quote a scripture to imply what happened to them will happen to us today whenever we do the same thing they did as sin so i asked, was YOU YOURSELF destroyed the last time you complained or murmured?



Let's do this, before we deal with that verse and who John was writing to and what John was saying in that verse etc. Let's do this:

Confessing your sin to receive forgiveness - Do you receive forgiveness of sins BY THIS CONFESSION ............or........2/ Do you receive forgiveness of sins BY CHRIST THROUGH AND IN HIS BLOOD?

13He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1

solite3:
we dont have to debate this, goodluck

Goshen360:


We don't have to debate what or not destruction or destroyer is. Since that verse was quoted in reference to old testament people, all we needed to do was go back to what or how they were destructed by the destroyer - it happened to them physically so you shouldn't spiritualize it now.

Again you quote a scripture to imply what happened to them will happen to us today whenever we do the same thing they did as sin so i asked, was YOU YOURSELF destroyed the last time you complained or murmured?

Let's do this, before we deal with that verse and who John was writing to and what John was saying in that verse etc. Let's do this:

Confessing your sin to receive forgiveness - Do you receive forgiveness of sins BY THIS CONFESSION ............or........2/ Do you receive forgiveness of sins BY CHRIST THROUGH AND IN HIS BLOOD?

13He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1

solite3:


it happened to them physically right? What part of what I wrote did you miss?

you think destruction only means death?




what you dont understand that forgiveness of sin is conditional even salvation is conditional, your consent is needed. Christ died for the whole world why is the whole world not saved?
You get forgiveness through the blood of Jesus but the blood of Jesus isnt just going to come like that without the condition fulfilled.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

You cant be justifying your sinfulness and expect the blood of Christ to cleanse you.

solite3:


If he had delivered you from the power of darkness then you should cast off the works of darkness except you are just deceiving yourself.

VBCampaign:
The OP is right and I endorse much of what is written there. Hypergrace is heresy. Let me make my point by sharing a story relevant to Nairaland and even Goshen360 who I see has joined this thread.

Many years ago, Goshen360 and I joined a couple of others to organize a Conference on Nairaland which we called GRACE conference or something of that nature. There we postulated the gospel of grace and enjoined it on our listeners.

It was only years after that I realized that I had teamed with hypergrace individuals to do that conference. I had joined the hypergrace team to condemn tithing. I don't know what I was getting myself into.

Now, I cannot go into the details of the error of hypergrace but the opener has done much of the work. Let me just give nuggets:

VBCampaign:


1. Christ had died to redeem the elect. In the process we are saved from the law.